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So is it possible that they now shut down all 57 states?:ne_nau:Man, the Gov of California is one creepy dude. He reminds me of a stepford clone of Romney. Pure slime.

I'd bet he's writing the edicts with one hand while jerking off on the power trip with the other.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4iO0GpgnlQ&feature=youtu.beJesus Scott...you've got way too much time on your hands.

"The King James Version of the Bible...that's my favorite version to read while I'm on an acid trip". Yeah, that whole three hours was an acid trip. That whole thing reminds me of being 15 years old, riding skateboards around town at 2 in the morning with three of my friends, smoking joints and pondering philosophy.

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Man, the Gov of California is one creepy dude. He reminds me of a stepford clone of Romney. Pure slime.

I'd bet he's writing the edicts with one hand while jerking off on the power trip with the other.

So the same as all democrats, at this juncture...

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Funny you should mention it.

I'm going out to try and buy toilet paper now, this could get frosty..

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I'm starting to see a lot of people ask around if anybody knows anybody that actually has COVID 19. Most people don't, and some people claim they do know somebody with it but it's ALWAYS at least 2 steps away like their husband's boss' mother.

I'm also seeing some get offended when the question is even asked, like how dare you try to investigate this. Some people are so desperate to know somebody with the Chinese Virus, they just don't have much going on in their lives.

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Some people are so desperate to know somebody with the Chinese Virus, they just don't have much going on in their lives.


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Trump's daily briefing policy with rotating heads of various agencies is fricking brilliant. He should do this every day for 2 months or so. It just knifes the media narrative and seizes the flow of information from them, to any degree that's even possible.

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I love British humor.....or should I write "humour"? :ne_nau: :haha:

Because if we lose our sense of humor, we're lost...

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I'm starting to see a lot of people ask around if anybody knows anybody that actually has COVID 19. Most people don't, and some people claim they do know somebody with it but it's ALWAYS at least 2 steps away like their husband's boss' mother.

I'm also seeing some get offended when the question is even asked, like how dare you try to investigate this. Some people are so desperate to know somebody with the Chinese Virus, they just don't have much going on in their lives.

It's COVID-19, you stated it in your first paragraph. Yeah, some people like to eat wild animals. Living in Utah, that probably applies to you people.

I'm hearing that......
I've been told that......
We've never been better....

Your forum is a joke.

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Yeah I see what he did there too. Justin mistakes my fascination for this pandemic for desperation. I believe he was the first to ask the question. I work in the lab and answered because at that time I hadn't seen any positive cases, all I was trying to imply is that had changed. I have always been fascinated by this type of stuff it is why I chose this profession. I teach PCR and other testing methods to our next generation of technologists. I was using my mother as an example of someone who didn't panic and run off to be tested for Covid-19 just because she had a fever and a cough. Which I wish more people would think twice before coming in because we are low on supplies enough so we had to prioritize testing. Unless you are in need of medical care, stay home.

Anyhoo... I will continue to enjoy Oldno7 carefully curated memes and keep my enthusiasm to myself.

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Stolen from someone else...

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

Thank you for this detailed explanation. It has definitely changed the way I think about it... although I still think the current response is a tad overboard.

And I attribute that to a very liberal media that has latched on to the Coronavirus as a tool to destroy the current administration. The level of hyperbole and apocalyptic headlines in the news today is outrageous and uncalled for.

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And we(collectively) are mighty glad you chose the profession you did--THX

I think there are only a few--maybe just 1, who misinterpret what goes on here in regards to Covid 19

I believe we all take it serious and no one would welcome it into their own lives or lives of friends, assoc. etc.

Taking it lightly and having fun, in a serious situation in no way lessens the seriousness of the virus.

It's just a way that like minded people cope with the un explainable.

I truly appreciate Chere' and Savanna posting here, you guys are great.

Now carry on....:bud:

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And we(collectively) are mighty glad you chose the profession you did--THX

I think there are only a few--maybe just 1, who misinterpret what goes on here in regards to Covid 19

I believe we all take it serious and no one would welcome it into their own lives or lives of friends, assoc. etc.

Taking it lightly and having fun, in a serious situation in no way lessens the seriousness of the virus.

It's just a way that like minded people cope with the un explainable.

I truly appreciate Chere' and Savanna posting here, you guys are great.

Now carry on....:bud:


What can I say? I always feel like Scarlett O'Hara at the Twelve Oaks bbq.......outnumbered 20 to 1. :help: :haha: Not unfamiliar though.....I was raised with all sisters, sent to all girl schools and when I started work (and consequently a business) I was surrounded by mainly all men. I liked it better that way!

However, always happy to see another female appear - Chere ! :2thumbs: (btw.....your post on the Covid-19 virus was the best and most clear article on the subject I've read so far. Thanks!)

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Thank you for this detailed explanation. It has definitely changed the way I think about it... although I still think the current response is a tad overboard.

And I attribute that to a very liberal media that has latched on to the Coronavirus as a tool to destroy the current administration. The level of hyperbole and apocalyptic headlines in the news today is outrageous and uncalled for.

I honestly thought the same until I listened to an interview from a doctor in Italy on NPR and his description and the fact that he didn't go home for 3 weeks made me rethink my approach to this outbreak. Also watching a documentary on the 1918 pandemic and one on Wuhan. I no longer feel like this is overreacting, I think the way people of the Utah have handled it is waaayyy over the top but asking us all to stay home I do not, it is th only way to keep this from getting out of hand. One thing I know is that this outbreak has exposed our weak links.


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And we(collectively) are mighty glad you chose the profession you did--THX

I think there are only a few--maybe just 1, who misinterpret what goes on here in regards to Covid 19

I believe we all take it serious and no one would welcome it into their own lives or lives of friends, assoc. etc.

Taking it lightly and having fun, in a serious situation in no way lessens the seriousness of the virus.

It's just a way that like minded people cope with the un explainable.

I truly appreciate Chere' and Savanna posting here, you guys are great.

Now carry on....:bud:


I love humor dealing with shitty situations. It genuinely is the only way to get through.

But I very much dislike having my opinions marginalized because someone thinks I am looking for attention. Passion for all things lab and what we do, and sharing when I can because most of the population doesn't even know we exist or how the lab works. Hell most of our colleagues in the hospital ie.. good old docs and nurses don't even realize we hold Bachelors, Masters and in some cases Doctorate degrees. With out us... your doctor is only guessing. 70% of you doctors decision to diagnose a condition is based off the results we provide him.

I pop in now and again because I do enjoy the banter around here. But good gawd ya all think you might grow up a little bit. But ya all are still red neck as hell and oddly I still enjoy you even though I definitely lean more liberal.

Savanna lady you are most welcome for the explanation I stole. If anyone else would like to know the view point of the lab and why it isn't easy to test for COVID-19 just ask until then I will go back to lurking.

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I pop in now and again because I do enjoy the banter around here. But good gawd ya all think you might grow up a little bit. But ya all are still red neck as hell


^^^ LOL This got a legit belly laugh. :roflol:

See, this is the appropriate response to the right winged red-neckery around here. Instead of taking your ball and going home, call us out on our perceived bullshit. How are you going to change minds and foster critical thinking if you just run away?

I will say this: I have learned 100X more about the Coronavirus and how it should be dealt from your few posts than with than the last month's worth of scaremongering headlines combined. I don't respond to hyperbole and overly dramatic headlines. They're not productive, and only stoke fear and paranoia -- exactly what we DON'T need right now.

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^^^ LOL This got a legit belly laugh. :roflol:

See, this is the appropriate response to the right winged red-neckery around here. Instead of taking your ball and going home, call us out on our perceived bullshit. How are you going to change minds and foster critical thinking if you just run away?

I will say this: I have learned 100X more about the Coronavirus and how it should be dealt from your few posts than with than the last month's worth of scaremongering headlines combined. I don't respond to hyperbole and overly dramatic headlines. They're not productive, and only stoke fear and paranoia -- exactly what we DON'T need right now.

I can be just as snarky back when I want to. I know after 12 years of off and on again participation on this board you all like to stir the pot and to get a reaction. So if I do call you out I won't be hurting anyone's feelings.

A friend posted this on his page today. I found it to be very informative and the doctor calls out the CDC FDA and Government, explains why social distancing works, why and what COVID-19, when and why you would use a face mask and how to make hand sanitizer.

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I can't stand the hysteria around this. I avoided shopping for a week and finally broke down when I ran out of coffee creamer. We did stalk up with what little was left in the store only because after doing my research I decided this is the best route to keeping the outbreak from overwhelming our hospitals. Some of the stories I have listened to out of Italy are heart wrenching. The medical staff ( and I mean the entire med staff not just the nurses and doctors) are busting their asses, exhausted and warn out. I will do my part both by staying home and working when they need me.

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Don’t let a good crisis go to waste. When nature gives you Chinese Hunan Virus, give it right back by going around coughing on produce. Got to live the teenage challenges these days. Yes- these are the geniuses that will be taking care off you when tie 80 yrs old and in a rest home. Kids will be kids, I guess.

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Don’t let a good crisis go to waste. When nature gives you Chinese Hunan Virus, give it right back by going around coughing on produce. Got to live the teenage challenges these days. Yes- these are the geniuses that will be taking care off you when tie 80 yrs old and in a rest home. Kids will be kids, I guess.

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https://www.theblaze.com/news/cops-say-teenage-idiots-are-going-around-coughing-on-produce-on-purpose-filming-it-and-posting-it-to-social-mediaI thought from a few weeks ago, millenials would start to want to spread it. To kill older MAGA types. Beyond just being merely stupid.

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If anyone else would like to know the view point of the lab and why it isn't easy to test for COVID-19 just ask until then I will go back to lurking.
I would love to hear about it.

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I would love to hear about it.

This is from another MLS but I liked her approach.


So I have decided to jump into the homeschooling pool even though I have no children of school age.

I am using my FB feed as the mode of education for just this morning. As a medical technologist (this was was path of study for my college degree) I want to share some information that might help people understand the “delay” patients are seeing in getting test results for COVID-19. As many see on the news (live TV or social media), we are seeing unprecedented situations in cities of what the media is calling “drive-thru COVID-19 testing”. Just to be clear—-these are not testing!!!

The clock for the test should not start here! These are sample collection lines. This is where the specimens for testing are collected. The COVID-19 tests are done in either a hospital or reference laboratory. The testing is conducted by a medical laboratory technologist or medical laboratory scientist. The test is a molecular diagnostic test to identify if the sample (specimen) collected in these drive up sites contains the RNA of COVID-19. Not every hospital in the US does this testing as it is extremely specialized and can be costly for hospitals to implement in “normal” healthcare times.

The samples collected may have to be driven or flown to testing sites. Having the FDA finally allowing for emergency use testing kits to be manufactured from companies then ship to their customers was critical!!! Testing cannot begin until the samples arrive at the real testing facilities which are the hospital labs or reference labs. That is when the “clock starts” or should start for time to results.

May we all social distance to not over burden all healthcare workers including our fabulous Medical Technologists and Medical Laboratory Scientists. They are working to solve the mysteries of this virus. Thanks to all on the front line of fighting this pandemic.
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I underlined and bolded some key points. This is not a test that can be performed onsite. It goes to a reference lab like ARUP or Lab Corp or each state State Lab... very few hospitals in the US have the capacity to perform this type of molecular diagnostics. I would venture to say less than a handful and most all of the Mayo Clinic hospitals.

To even begin do this testing you have to have the correct RNA sequence of the virus you want to detect, then primers used to detect the virus have to be made. All of that takes time and US sure dragged their feet getting there.

Now we are being inundated with testing requests to the point ARUP has stopped accepting tests so they can catch up. :eek2::crazy:

Anyway.... what can we test for at a hospital. Well it all depends on what platform we have for testing. There are several and I can't speak to all of them. One I am familiar with is a company that is local to SLC Biofire. They have a system that can test for 16 viruses and 4 bacterial respiratory infections. These infections have been around long enough that they have testing for them down to a "science". Still each time you run this test it takes a minimum and hour. Both places I have worked at only had 2 of the devices that run this testing so all you can do is run 2 at a time. Most of the time you don't need more than 2 it would be overkill to have more than that from a financial stand point. Well right now a tower of them would be nice. Oh well huh... we do what we can.

Rapid Flu test are what are known as Point of Care tests these are typically more expensive and not always accurate again it depends on the platform. For the most part they are good. But these POC type tests are good for Flu A/Flu B, that is it. They still take about 45 minutes.

Any test performed in any lab in the US has to be FDA approved and validated at ad nauseam before you can do testing, both by the manufacturer and the lab. This is good you want it to be or you have situations like Theranos and the con-artist Elizabeth Holmes reaking havoc all over the place. (Gawd I loved watching that mess... was bullshit from the minute it started I can't believe how many people she suckered in.)

It is good except in a situation like we have now. Giving emergency access to Roche and the others that are developing test for COVID-19 was the right thing to do, but they still have to ramp up production and get those test to the right locations for testing.

What else do you want to know?

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What else do you want to know?
Thanks, that’s some great info. So it’s a complicated process to run it and not fast. This stuff is like learning French for me, so I have to read it a few times.

So looking at this chart, Utah had its first case on a March 6th and I found these cool charts:

https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19CasesByStateInTheMountainWest/Sheet1?:embed=y&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

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When did testing officially start? If it was on the 5th (ramping up now) then 2,147 / 15 = 143 per day. So only 6 an hour... Which doesn’t seem like that many. I guess they want to get up to 3,000 per day.

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Just to add as little fuel to the Chinese Wuhan Virus conspiracy theories


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Thanks, that’s some great info. So it’s a complicated process to run it and not fast. This stuff is like learning French for me, so I have to read it a few times.

So looking at this chart, Utah had its first case on a March 6th and I found these cool charts:

https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19CasesByStateInTheMountainWest/Sheet1?:embed=y&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

https://public.tableau.com/profile/rae.ellen.bichell#!/vizhome/COVID-19TestingByStateInTheMountainWest/Sheet1


When did testing officially start? If it was on the 5th (ramping up now) then 2,147 / 15 = 143 per day. So only 6 an hour... Which doesn’t seem like that many. I guess they want to get up to 3,000 per day.This particular test according to Lab Corp (I have attached a QA on the test) takes 24 hrs for time they receive the test to result. As to how many they can process per hour I really don't know. One of our professors works at the state lab I will ask him of he knows what the throughput is.


Once they have the sample, in a nutshell and very simplified steps:

Extract any viral RNA using a Qiagen Column kit. This is an entire process in itself.

Then you make a master mix with the exact primers needed to detect the targeted viral RNA.
You add the extracted RNA to the master mix and put this in a thermocycler. This is where any targeted viral RNA is then amplified. Takes a few hours. You have to amplify the RNA enough that you can detect its presence.

At this point I would imagine they use a different detection method than what I use to visually show our students an extraction and amplification. I will also ask about this.

But what we do with the students is mix the sample with some migrating dye and add it to a gel (think a thin square of thick clear jello like material) that has ethidium bromide added to the gel put it in a migrating chamber with a positive and negative electrode apply a current and migrate the RNA down the gel. You use a known positive to compare your unknowns to. This helps you determine if the target RNA is present. This takes about 2 hours. Then you put it on a UV light table and you get something that looks like this. The ethidium bromide fluoresces.

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You have to have a clean environment because any stray contamination can ruin the test.

In the above photo I was comparing our old primers to new primers for detecting Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus or MRSA.

When they started testing I don't exactly know but I to would assume on the 5th. So yeah between the State Lab, Lab Corp, and ARUP they have been able to do 143 per day and this has overwhelmed them.

But with approval for the Roche test they are hoping to get up to 3000 per day. US should have been ready for this before it hit out shores.

What else do you want to know?






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Spent the day in Arches NP yesterday. My wife's friend from San Antonio and her son were in Moab so we made a day trip to show them around. They had actually spent the night at a hotel in town and when they checked in, having no idea of the lodging ban, the person at the desk asked them if there were there on "business" wink, wink. They were lucky to get a room.

The Arches visitor center was closed but the park was open and they were just letting cars drive through the gate without paying. The parking lots were about half full, but I only counted 3 other vehicles with Utah plates. We saw plates from Maine to Hawaii and most states in between.

People on the trails didn't act any different than normal although they did seem slightly more friendly, but that might have been due to the lack of foreign visitors. I did only hear one couple speaking a foreign language which was definitely unusual.

I had no idea dispersed camping on public lands were also banned before reading the post above but they must not be enforcing it as there were the typical toy hauler cities in the usual places including Klondike Bluffs and Mill Canyon. Although the cities were a lot smaller than usual.

We were hungry after hiking and so we drove into town to see if anything was open. There were only a few cars in all the hotel parking lots and Main Street was very quiet. Most of the smaller restaurants were closed. Very surreal. The Moab Diner was about the only restaurant in town that had a big sign announcing that they were still open and since that is were we wanted to go in the first place we pulled into the parking lot.

They had little signs on all the parking spots saying that they had car hop service and would see us pull up. Sure enough, the waitress came out quickly and since we already knew what we wanted she took our order and in about 10 minutes brought our food out in a large paper sack. The Green Chili Omelet was excellent as always.

After we finished eating, I chatted with one of the employees and he told me that some people sat down on their new outside picnic tables to eat and some local officials pulled up and told them to leave. Crazy! He also told me that they were going to have a hard time keeping the Diner open as they had almost no business at all.

Overall, it was a wonderful day and after hiking in the sunshine and fresh air, I never felt better.

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[oldno7]

On a more serious note--Heres IHC's new covid-19 symptom checker

19 https://intermountainhealthcare.org/Symptom Checker

[Rob L]

[QUOTE=oldno7;621326]On a more serious note--

I like your posts, but why do you have to labour us with such a long-winded "signature" below each one?

I think you should be saving bandwidth in these troublesome times and temporarily remove your signature, for the time being, and for the health & benefit of the population at large, so that those with less to say can have access to the bandwidth that you so selfishly use with the same saying over and over and over again, all the time.

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[oldno7]

[QUOTE=oldno7;621326]On a more serious note--

I like your posts, but why do you have to labour us with such a long-winded "signature" below each one?

I think you should be saving bandwidth in these troublesome times and temporarily remove your signature, for the time being, and for the health & benefit of the population at large, so that those with less to say can have access to the bandwidth that you so selfishly use with the same saying over and over and over again, all the time.

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw&feature=emb_logo

[oldno7]

[QUOTE=Rob L;621348]
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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

. But ya all are still red neck as hell and oddly I still enjoy you even though I definitely lean more liberal.



I didn't want this to slip by without notice...

THANK YOU, I'm likely more redneck than anyone here and your statement, I believe was aimed at me and it was a direct hit:2thumbs:

I am what I am and proud to be, a leopard can't change it's spots.

So thanks again for something I take as a compliment.

And a bit of music I played a lot on my 8-track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk

[blueeyes]

Oooh this little nugget was just posted by some fellow lab colleagues on FB. Things we get excited over.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=dRUtUbmPc94

This test cartridge won't be available until end of March. But for any hospital that currently has a Gene Expert they would be able to start using them once the test was validated. The patients results would be back in the doctor's hands within an hour of collecting the sample. There are a lot of hospitals around the country with this platform. Depending on the unit you can run more than 1 or 2 tests at a time. I believe ours can test 80 at a time with 80 in cue to be tested. I don't make decisions for bringing on tests and can't say if we would but I sure hope we would.

FDA giving Emergency Use Authorization was/is very crucial to help flatten the curve.

Utah's number is 112 this morning that is huge jump over night. (Oops 136 cases)

Just a side note I was in Atlanta in 2011 for a conference when they rolled out the Gene Expert platform. American Chopper designed a motorcycle for Cepheid.

https://pauljrdesigns.com/bike-galleries/cepheid-bike/

We currently do our MRSA, C. difficile, and Gonorrhea/Chlamydia testing with a Gene Expert. Anyway I like this platform...I really liked the bike.



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[blueeyes]

I didn't want this to slip by without notice...

THANK YOU, I'm likely more redneck than anyone here and your statement, I believe was aimed at me and it was a direct hit:2thumbs:

I am what I am and proud to be, a leopard can't change it's spots.

So thanks again for something I take as a compliment.

And a bit of music I played a lot on my 8-track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk[emoji7][emoji7] Lots of love Kurt... I have a soft spot for the red necks. My roots you know.

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[Rob L]

Well thanks for that constructive response then oldno7. :nono2:

[oldno7]

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[accadacca]

What else do you want to know?
I think what we all want to see is recoveries. I haven’t looked too hard, but have not seen this data yet. The first people with positive tests in Utah are now past two weeks, but many others like the Jazz players will hit their 2 weeks, next week.

I’m anxious to see how people are fairing. Then things like the percentages of positive tests vs deaths and the average recovery time. Followed by how this data compares to other viruses.

[Iceaxe]

But ya all are still red neck as hell and oddly I still enjoy you even though I definitely lean more liberal.

Thank you.... that's the nicest thing I've heard all week :-)

Redneck and proud of it :-)

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[Rob L]

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"Pardon me, but do you have any toilet paper?"

If you were of class, Mr oldno7, you would be asking your staff to enquire as to the availability of lavatory paper. Only the hoipoloi use a "toilet", and staff do not seat themselves in the back of a Rolls-Royce as you picture suggests.


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[rockgremlin]

I think what we all want to see is recoveries. I haven’t looked too hard, but have not seen this data yet. The first people with positive tests in Utah are now past two weeks, but many others like the Jazz players will hit their 2 weeks, next week.

I’m anxious to see how people are fairing. Then things like the percentages of positive tests vs deaths and the average recovery time. Followed by how this data compares to other viruses.

Yes, this is what I'd like to see as well. I watched that video BlueEyes posted about Wuhan, and their cases dropped considerably after aggressive quarantine and increased public awareness. I'd like to see a similar drop off here at home. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to report about good news - only alarming, devastating, bad news.

[accadacca]

Yes, this is what I'd like to see as well. I watched that video BlueEyes posted about Wuhan, and their cases dropped considerably after aggressive quarantine and increased public awareness. I'd like to see a similar drop off here at home. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to report about good news - only alarming, devastating, bad news.

Regardless of which side of the fence the media sits on, they love a good story and this one is big money for them. I can guarantee that advertisers have flocked to news channels right now, because their ratings are through the roof. Everything else has been cancelled and the advertisers would have been spending big money on sporting events (March Madness) in the states and other events abroad. The news outlets will ride this wave as long as possible.

[accadacca]

I just found this chart and now I need to do some math. I would also like to see the recovery time broken down by age.

https://google.org/crisisresponse/covid19-map

[accadacca]

'If I get corona, I get corona': Coronavirus pandemic doesn't slow spring breakers' party

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/03/19/spring-break-beaches-florida-look-packed-despite-coronavirus-spread/2873248001/

[BasinCruiser]

PP saved more lives closing down than being open.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/488842-ohio-halts-all-procedures-at-abortion-clinics-amid-covid-19-outbreak

[BasinCruiser]

Tyrants-Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Nancy tried to slip abortion funding into China virus economic bill. Governments shutting down gun and ammo sales. And now the speech police are coming out in full force.

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https://bigleaguepolitics.com/new-jersey-attorney-general-threatens-employers-with-sanctions-if-they-allow-workers-to-say-chinese-virus/

[jman]

Zion NP rebuked everyone on Saturday for not adhearing the CDC’s social distancing guideline:


“The health and safety of our visitors, employees, volunteers, and partners at Zion is our number one priority. The CDC guidance for the COVID-19 pandemic includes social distancing. We are concerned that Saturday’s visitation patterns were not following the CDC recommendations.

If you are coming to the Park, please choose to visit areas that are not crowded to allow for adequate social distancing. This would include NOT hiking at Angels Landing, Riverside Walk, Upper Emerald Pools and other high-use trails. The Zion Canyon Scenic Drive became so congested on Saturday that the park had to close the road.

Use this opportunity to explore different areas of the Park. Visit our website to plan hikes to lesser known areas. If you encounter a crowded trailhead, go elsewhere. Many trailheads have panels with hike directions and maps. Snap a photo of it so you have it with you.”


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[blueeyes]

Yes, this is what I'd like to see as well. I watched that video BlueEyes posted about Wuhan, and their cases dropped considerably after aggressive quarantine and increased public awareness. I'd like to see a similar drop off here at home. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to report about good news - only alarming, devastating, bad news.As of right now in Utah we have no recovered cases according to Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins

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We only have 176 recovered in the US out of 26,747

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And it would be nice if they gave us a little good news.

We will be getting the new Gene Expert cartridges and our analyzer does 16 at a time with 16 in que. I assumed because we had the behemoth it did 80. And we can only do the testing IF we can get the cartridges. Every hospital in the country that has this platform will be ordering them.

Anyway I am still glued to my TV and completely fascinated by this mess.

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[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[blueeyes]

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[dougr]

^ I'm all for women removing their bras to save their lives. We need more pandemics like this. Except, let's get some, well, better models to show us how it's done next time?

[BasinCruiser]

Gotta love capitalism.


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https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/20/strip-club-turns-food-delivery-service-called-boober-eats-amid-coronavirus-crisis-12431288/

[blueeyes]

^ I'm all for women removing their bras to save their lives. We need more pandemics like this. Except, let's get some, well, better models to show us how it's done next time?Beggars can't be choosers. [emoji13]

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[dougr]

Beggars can't be choosers. [emoji13]

I'm just gonna sign off Bogley now. Farewell all.

[Iceaxe]

Gotta love capitalism.


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https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/20/strip-club-turns-food-delivery-service-called-boober-eats-amid-coronavirus-crisis-12431288/

Single moms have to feed their kids somehow... being a stripper is a lot like being a drug addict or prostitute... no girl in 6th grade ever says I want to be a stripper when I grow up... women end up stripping because of poor life choices.

I support single mom's

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[accadacca]

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So size matters? Who knew:ne_nau:

[blueeyes]

So size matters? Who knew:ne_nau:Indeed it does. [emoji23]

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[accadacca]

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[accadacca]

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[accadacca]

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[BasinCruiser]

Every day, my wife reads of one of those trackers the number of newly and accumulative infected and deceased, and is amazed and puzzled by why Italy and Iran have been hit so hard, why they have such a high death rate compared to everywhere else.

Here is a good read theorizing this phenomenon, that fires into detail of gore much far being their respective societies are and how they are much more economically dependent and tied to China.


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https://redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/19/its-no-coincidence-that-italy-and-iran-have-been-so-hard-hit-by-the-wuhan-virus/

[BasinCruiser]

This explains why Russia has such low numbers of infected.

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[accadacca]

Anheuser-Busch will switch from producing beer to drinkable water. During the coronavirus pandemic, however, the brewery will be distributing bottles of hand sanitizer in the United States.

https://i.ibb.co/fN0Rxcb/05-D36-E4-F-04-D9-4285-ACD7-DFF7-C923-AC3-F.jpg

https://www.abc4.com/news/health/coronavirus/anheuser-busch-distributing-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-to-fight-covid-19/

[accadacca]

Yeah right...

Why does Russia, population 146 million, have fewer coronavirus cases than Luxembourg?

The number of confirmed Russian coronavirus cases is surprisingly low, despite Russia sharing a lengthy border with China and recording its first case back in January.

Moscow (CNN) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week his country managed to stop the mass spread of coronavirus -- and that the situation was "under control," thanks to early and aggressive measures to keep more people from getting the disease.


https://cnn.it/2y0JAlL

[accadacca]

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[BasinCruiser]

https://www.abc4.com/news/health/coronavirus/anheuser-busch-distributing-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-to-fight-covid-19/

5 Wives Distillery in Ogden is also changing production drastically to meet changing market demands- making hand sanitizer.

https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/new-sanitizers-coming-from-utahs-distillerys/

[Rob L]

The threat was foreseen in 2007:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETvTP3aWkAAWXHE?format=jpg&name=large

[accadacca]

Just listened to the daily update for Utah. They said 10% of people are requiring hospitalization. Unfortunately they recoded the first death today (you may have heard), which was a Davis County man over 60 who had travelled.

Side note, my wife is an RN and she worked a shift last night. She told me that they had 4 people staying at her hospital with Covid-19 last night. Not on her floor, she works L&D and luckily they haven’t seen any positive moms yet. She also said that Nurses have been sharing face masks because they don’t have enough for each person to have their own. They do have enough for each shift.

[oldno7]

This is not the time for this bullshitt...

Nancy Pelosi Nixes Bipartisan Talks on Coronavirus Package
Pelosi said that Republicans and Democrats are still “talking” but that there is no need to meet McConnell’s Monday deadline for a Senate vote on the coronavirus package.

Senate Republicans and the White House have insisted that they will continue to push for the $1.6 trillion economic relief package, which would include $350 billion in support for small businesses and $250 billion for unemployment insurance. The package would also include direct cash payments to individuals around $1,200 per individual, with additional funds going to families with children.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/22/nancy-pelosi-nixes-bipartisan-talks-on-coronavirus-package/

[BasinCruiser]

More conspiracy theory fuel.

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https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/article/breaking-news-protein-spike-attached-horseshoe-bat-man-luche-thayer

[accadacca]

Listening to the press conference today at the White House and what an amazing moment in our history. It is really cool to see our country coming together. Companies are producing products to help fight this war and the government is working on a stimulus package for big business, small business and individuals. Given all the doom and gloom that is being broadcast, there are many incredible things happening that have never been done before. I have been very impressed with the Covid-19 task force and how they are handling this historic crisis. I think there is a reason that this administration is in office at this time.

[oldno7]

^^^^^^^:2thumbs::2thumbs:

Just finished listening as well.

[dougrz]

^ Agreed. And why his poll numbers are rising and Dem attacks are complaints about speed. Others see it as well.

[oldno7]

read my linked article above, In a National crisis, pelosi doesn't see a need to meet a Monday deadline.

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

Doesn't see a need..

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[oldno7]

Chere'?

This the spot? Looks painful:scared:

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[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

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Yeah right...

Why does Russia, population 146 million, have fewer coronavirus cases than Luxembourg?

The number of confirmed Russian coronavirus cases is surprisingly low, despite Russia sharing a lengthy border with China and recording its first case back in January.

Moscow (CNN) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week his country managed to stop the mass spread of coronavirus -- and that the situation was "under control," thanks to early and aggressive measures to keep more people from getting the disease.


https://cnn.it/2y0JAlL



They’re communists. What do you expect? For them to be any more open an honest than the Chinese?

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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-russia-doctors-say-government-is-covering-up-cases-2020-3

[blueeyes]

Chere'?

This the spot? Looks painful:scared:

https://i.imgur.com/MgQrz8h.jpgYes. Pretty much that is where it goes. They can also do a nasal wash where the flush saline through your nostrils but I believe the swab is the preferred collection method. The swab goes into a viral preservative media, labeled with the patient name and is sent to the lab for processing.

It is not comfortable. When I worked in Idaho I did collect nasal swabs on occasion it pretty much makes your eyes water and you want to sneeze fiercely after.

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[BasinCruiser]

Random pondering: If Killary was POTUS, the economy abs its future Would be looking much better than it does right now. Why, because the media wouldn’t have created this paranoia.

[oldno7]

Random pondering: If Killary was POTUS, the economy abs its future Would be looking much better than it does right now. Why, because the media wouldn’t have created this paranoia.

seemed to work for obama

[twotimer]

Random pondering: If Killary was POTUS, the economy abs its future Would be looking much better than it does right now. Why, because the media wouldn’t have created this paranoia.Nah...they'd be wheeling body bags out of nursing/retirement/old folk's homes by the thousands...they couldn't hide it. I think Governors would be taking action individually.

Trump had to act...it was a no-win situation for him. The big questions is...what this virus was similar to the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago? That one was a real killer...especially liked eating up healthy people. I reckon we'd be doing much the same thing we are now...perhaps far more dramatic. As much as this sucks, it sure could be a lot worse. Read up on the Spanish Flu...friggin' gnarly.

[twotimer]

seemed to work for obamaYou know, that's a damn good point. I take back half of what I said...they can hide it, indeed.

[accadacca]

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[accadacca]

I can’t remember what Trump said in this moment, but I chuckled too. I like Dr Fauci, he’s a funny little guy. Obviously very smart.

https://i.ibb.co/FHqTrRR/D4-F44293-1-AF2-460-A-9596-4-B96-F184-C543.gif

[Iceaxe]

It appears some sanity is about to return to the nation....

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[dougrz]

^ Thank God. The number of people who'll die from suicide, be destroyed by alcoholism from despair, children who won't be born because families are broken and unemployed, etc.

There is some level of death from a pandemic where you do say wrecking the economy is an acceptable risk. 50 million, of course. 5 million, probably. 1 million maybe. 200k, no. 5k, hell no.

[oldno7]

http://www.henrypayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/031320_BidenCoronaTouch_COLOR.jpg

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[twotimer]

It appears some sanity is about to return to the nation....

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Climb-Utah.comI've been working and yesterday I was listening to a talk radio station 850KOA...they had three different guys on yesterday taking phone calls, talking about this whole thing.

Plenty of people that are reasonably calm and plenty that are ...confused. People goin' on about this thing dragging on for months, the economy NEVER recovering, how they're going to survive, "the world will never be the same", etc...

I'd say Trump didn't want to go this heavy at all, but after those people died in Seattle he had no choice. Of course he wants things to get back to normal...but at the same time I'd say there's a risk with the timing. People are going to keep dying and it very well may be that all this "panic" did was slow it down for a little bit...but at least everyone got educated, huh? In other words, "You've been warned, good luck and don't blame me".

But of course they'll blame him...it's kind of a no win situation. Hopefully the warmer weather will tap it down.

Something ironic...about a year ago I worked for an older (70s'ish) Jewish couple, the Lazaroffs. He had CNN on all day and they told me they think Trump is positioning himself to be a dictator...total TDS. They sit around their dirty house all day and neither one of them is very healthy...I don't think either one could jog a mile to save their lives.

[blueeyes]

https://www.facebook.com/284506987444/posts/10158299155542445/

Above is a link to a video North Dakota State Lab put out showing how the testing is currently performed. Involves using two different analyzers.

Like I said I knew they detected the virus in a more sophisticated way than the manual method we work with with our students.

The method Cepheid does combines all three steps in onto one platform.

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[oldno7]

THX--thats WAY above my pay grade:dizzy:

[rockgremlin]

Hey BlueEyes -- What constitutes a "recovery"? At what point is a recovery considered a statistical recovery? Is it subjective based on the opinion of the patient, or are there objective criteria that need to be met, and if so what are they?

[blueeyes]

Hey BlueEyes -- What constitutes a "recovery"? At what point is a recovery considered a statistical recovery? Is it subjective based on the opinion of the patient, or are there objective criteria that need to be met, and if so what are they?I believe they are calling a person "officially negative" when they have 2 test in a row that are negative. I have gathered that from listening to the news they kept mentioning the 2 negative tests. With limited testing they may just go with quarantine 14 days past the last of the symptoms.

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[oldno7]

The Hill reported (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488883-hopes-for-quick-coronavirus-stimulus-deal-break-down) Sunday that one of the reasons bipartisan support for a massive coronavirus stimulus package has fallen apart is, once again, because Democrats want the bill to prop up Planned Parenthood.

According to the Hill:

A Democratic aide said that the small business provision was drafted to exclude non-profits who receive Medicaid from being eligible for Small Business Administration assistance offered under the bill. That, according to the aide, would impact Planned Parenthood but also community health centers, rape crisis centers and disability service providers.
Planned Parenthood is identified (https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-recognized-top-ranking-nonprofit-philanthropic-experts) as a nonprofit, not a small business.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/22/nancy-pelosi-nixes-bipartisan-talks-on-coronavirus-package/) Sunday she will be moving ahead with her own emergency relief package and ended hopes for an immediate vote in the Senate to further assistance for the nation in the midst of the crisis caused by the virus that originated in China.
Breitbart News reported:

Senate Republicans and the White House have insisted that they will continue to push for the $1.6 trillion economic relief package, which would include $350 billion in support for small businesses and $250 billion for unemployment insurance. The package would also include direct cash payments to individuals around $1,200 per individual, with additional funds going to families with children.

[blueeyes]

THX--thats WAY above my pay grade:dizzy:You are welcome. At any rate it gives you a better picture of why it takes so long to get a result.

Here is an excellent explanation on why developing a test for SARS-CoV 2 is not any easy snap your finger process. Also why using the test the WHO provided wasn't exactly a viable option.

See if you can catch his dig at Ms Elizabeth Holmes. [emoji23] I very much enjoyed that.

https://labmedicineblog.com/2020/03/18/testing-our-patience/



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[oldno7]

Never could find the original source, so take it for what it's worth.




I am a medical doctor and I believe both my wife and I have contracted corona. We were unable to test for it because it was unavailable given the strict guidelines in place at the time. One of the things I noticed on a pathology report I saw from a patient in China are these so-called thick mucous secretions in the lungs . This reminded me of what happens to an asthmatic's lungs when they are having an attack. For asthmatics, they die because they cannot oxygenate their bodies because there is so much mucous in their lungs.

I thought, why not treat these lung symptoms from corona the way you would for an asthmatic .The reason for the mucous shouldn't matter. One of those ways is to use a medication called albuterol which you nebulize and give yourself a breathing treatment several times a day if necessary.

I had been listening to my wife's lungs for several day,s and on one day I noticed a decrease in breath sounds in one of her lobes along with some wheezing. This is an indication that mucous was plugging up the bronchiole. A worrisome sign and a harbinger of pneumonia potentially coming. I started her on two treatments a day which immediately caused the mucous to break up. We knew this because she started coughing it up. One day later, her lungs were clear and there was no wheezing. I did it to myself just as a preventive measure one time a day. We continued this for about a week before stopping it. It appears we have recovered from the infection.

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[Rob L]

A good summary:

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?utm_source=MAIN+Newsletter+-+Exclusive+first+looks+at+our+graphics+%26+interac tives&utm_campaign=da0ce9e8e7-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_20_07_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0f32d82422-da0ce9e8e7-68918461&mc_cid=da0ce9e8e7&mc_eid=00796e3672

[oldno7]

Nancy Pelosi Proposes 1,120-Page Coronavirus Bill Stuffed with Pork
The bill (https://www.scribd.com/document/452911706/Full-text-Nancy-Pelosi-Coronavirus-Stimulus-Bill) includes a wish list (https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1241784556400922627) of Democrats’ pet issues, including provisions on election law, payment for student loans, same-day voter registration (https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242123563760521216), collective bargaining powers for unions, increased fuel emission standards for airlines, and the expansion of wind and solar tax credits.
Other provisions require corporations to include gender and racial diversity data to be reported to the federal government if they receive financial backing from the government.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/nancy-pelosi-proposes-1120-page-coronavirus-bill-stuffed-with-pork/

[oldno7]

McConnell ticked off the items on what he called the “Democratic wish list,” citing tax deductions to solar and wind energy companies, workplace provisions sought by organized labor and new emissions standards for the airlines.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489021-mcconnell-excoriates-democrats-over-stimulus-demands

Video at link

[dougrz]

On a roll, oldno7.

[oldno7]

So we drastically need medical and testing provisions as well as help for everyone involved in the crash/virus situation.

dems logic-----we need solar and wind credits

We need fuel economy for airlines

We need money for labor/big unions

[oldno7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=9uC4bXmcUvw&feature=emb_lo go

[oldno7]

We have a plan

It's called the green new deal,,,Shhhh


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[oldno7]

Dallas police limited on response


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=t7TGgsW-kmA&feature=emb_logo

[oldno7]

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[erial]

Only the hoipoloi use a "toilet", and staff do not seat themselves in the back of a Rolls-Royce as you picture suggests. :cool2:

I believe it's hoi polloi not the hoi polloi. The many not the the many. Four years of college and that's all I remember.

[BasinCruiser]

After the Wall...

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[BasinCruiser]

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[Rob L]

I believe it's hoi polloi not the hoi polloi. The many not the the many. Four years of college and that's all I remember.

You are absolutely correct :whoops:. My bad!
One re-learns a new thing every day! Take care!

Rob

(Edit: I hope you learned other things during those four years!)

[oldno7]

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[twotimer]

All along, my stance on this has been of optimism...believing that it would be relatively short lived and once things got back to normal, normal they would be.

Well this afternoon all of that has been turned on it's head and my thinking has taken a serious 180 degree turn. The Mayor of Denver (actually it's our Governor, but he hasn't got the nerve to do it himself) declared the city and county of Denver to a "Remain at Home" ORDER. In other words, going out only for things that are "absolutely necessary". Starts at 5pm tomorrow and is set to last 3 weeks, maybe longer.

When asked about enforcement, he said the cops will "discourage people from gathering in groups" but arrests will only be made in "remarkable conditions". When pressed a bit more about that he said this:

"Hopefully the people of Denver will abide by the order and we won't have to engage in the next step regarding enforcement". The next step boys and girls, is martial law and I am not cool with this at all. This crap is cuttin' a little too close to the bone. I'm not digging this at all. Now it's going too far. Grocery stores right now are getting gang banged all over again (I was just there, it's a madhouse) all the meat is gone, again. He's ordered all the liquor stores closed so everyone has carts full of booze.

Tap dancing on the edge of martial law. Dougrz...if it appeared that I've been downplaying your concerns, then I sincerely apologize. Shit's getting real now.

[rockgremlin]

All along, my stance on this has been of optimism...believing that it would be relatively short lived and once things got back to normal, normal they would be.

Well this afternoon all of that has been turned on it's head and my thinking has taken a serious 180 degree turn. The Mayor of Denver (actually it's our Governor, but he hasn't got the nerve to do it himself) declared the city and county of Denver to a "Remain at Home" ORDER. In other words, going out only for things that are "absolutely necessary". Starts at 5pm tomorrow and is set to last 3 weeks, maybe longer.

When asked about enforcement, he said the cops will "discourage people from gathering in groups" but arrests will only be made in "remarkable conditions". When pressed a bit more about that he said this:

"Hopefully the people of Denver will abide by the order and we won't have to engage in the next step regarding enforcement". The next step boys and girls, is martial law and I am not cool with this at all. This crap is cuttin' a little too close to the bone. I'm not digging this at all. Now it's going too far. Grocery stores right now are getting gang banged all over again (I was just there, it's a madhouse) all the meat is gone, again. He's ordered all the liquor stores closed so everyone has carts full of booze.

Tap dancing on the edge of martial law. Dougrz...if it appeared that I've been downplaying your concerns, then I sincerely apologize. Shit's getting real now.


https://coloradosun.com/2020/03/23/denver-shelter-in-place-order/


I don't understand....how does the Mayor propose that people make a living? How are folks supposed to pay for food and utilities, pay rent/mortgage, pay loans, credit cards, etc, etc, etc....?

The majority of the country lives check to check, and doesn't have enough cash saved to live beyond the next paycheck. How are those folks supposed to put food on the table? A one-time check for $1,000 is NOT going to do anything....and that's assuming it's approved by Queen Pelosi in the first place. :roll:

[twotimer]

https://coloradosun.com/2020/03/23/denver-shelter-in-place-order/


I don't understand....how does the Mayor propose that people make a living? How are folks supposed to pay for food and utilities, pay rent/mortgage, pay loans, credit cards, etc, etc, etc....?

The majority of the country lives check to check, and doesn't have enough cash saved to live beyond the next paycheck. How are those folks supposed to put food on the table? A one-time check for $1,000 is NOT going to do anything....and that's assuming it's approved by Queen Pelosi in the first place. :roll:
The Mayor of our city is a complete fuc*ing moron. And there's not a damn thing I can do about it, 'cuz he's a stinking Democrat and I'm surrounded by simple minded monkeys.

[oldno7]

Heres san fran nans ideas to combat coronavirus and stimulate the economy:


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[dougr]

^ Incredible. The scum that is that party. Pray to God Repubs and Trump have the courage to fight. Those provisions are so awful.

[oldno7]

^ Incredible. The scum that is that party. Pray to God Repubs and Trump have the courage to fight. Those provisions are so awful.

And just imagine if for 1 minute the media posted pelosis list.

There would be national outrage.

But the swamp and the media swim in the same pond, one won't go down without the other.

[oldno7]

Pelosi's coronavirus stimulus includes return of 'Obamaphones,' other unrelated items, GOP saysThe NRCC went on to accuse Pelosi of cramming the bill "full of unrelated liberal goodies (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__links.iterable.com_u_click-3F-5Ft-3Ddaa25830132f4a06b3946938575b325a-26-5Fm-3D5b234e809a5d498eb942652ba137b188-26-5Fe-3DggafRCsyBgw-2D1cMinQtSns7IlSk-5FZzMcKhIigtB9ahTVwZ0PUipV1ipgvGR2F6f0CRa8JrWEPzvH 2k-2DLfWCh0nkkvgoTdMj-2DStTnW9Rz2RJM3qomKQS1uI3hc-2DvljKbKIiYq55-5FLXRRLX2s8OspXRoTcwQPqvoGUZ-2Dc8v6g7It1brK74cMJ8bYsNqJ8Mda2rFnRt7153DAj50veNOB lxnKw3psGtAA66Osyv9ayK8puZqipX2OMKoAcVWUKRnJIfZlrV LVKaALsDOotFCyz6exJRwbOn7Zy2S-5F0bQD8bt8AakusETl9L87wwN9kCRrrioxPsS-2Da32x3wTrkyRYBwxAyeHUTN11X6cjUSpVK1ozcsBSj-2DM5vLq5reX57nhvfbKSBWiIBnMOxiURpyN-2DVOGb2qfFsJ4k46ZhlN-5FBzFRA-2DeuECpIUbYwHxBdSGNI0woG2XFIMry2BrMbC3TywiECv7VwRm ujwUxGAAdveFJGaGbaljdpq6e-5F-2D3PXLrweL8y3vn3VY1vVfJMOUN6dCVsnGxtlJvy-5FgVBMFIa7FXtGQzgNKCW7aEbPc6PA6HMsDIm4ItBOT65tPtp7 SCFgMAetf9QGFpvODL9Yj-5FxvCzwbHA74F244Qn7O2frLmT9e8gCZrLfVRrmmJhRfY2EktD 1APOFR5Ct-2DYLxr4KCUOs6un1hRAkdQJbF3R2AZF9IhHF-5FGxsFMg-5FcA8HZSebePHu8VLaL7XPYGB2RMXct3-5FDRrq7PETy9Jqfw9yRBuBiu3e0kYf9YKuQ-5Fd1PWl9VuuOgHllN-5FbwJNltXJXypjp4aXYYL41j7CwSEwW4f8XcxY2SkBPAKD7yiS XVybDpPTd5EWvZkAaVZmWaLIZqU6SfcccRjLV6p0VOl0OwK3vy 5m-5FoohFHvhZ4a0CqhPgm1J9AHS5IDHI86OzC8oo-5FHiINITyLhe4nL08OEB32OMU2ZpDRBggEHaJogX2q-2Dh1l1SQy9lbg-253D-253D&d=DwMFaQ&c=cnx1hdOQtepEQkpermZGwQ&r=Y77XPMBREDYCe6YcUUzeWj7ZwhYs7G6Qi6Qn01rhEKg&m=pRy0notv5u7lyOVMg2l2xuurh7oXIoJVrBIn6vljXLg&s=J_Bdhr54V6H66muDSy8oeSwifALr76Zws9WK-Vxpgvs&e=), including a return of the 'Obamaphone.'" Pelosi, the NRCC pointed out, wants $1 billion "to build on program expanded by President Obama that provides discounted phone service for low-income consumers."

The bill proposed by Pelosi, D-Calif., additionally seeks to eliminate debt held by the U.S. Postal Service, require same-day voter registration, pay off $10,000 in student debt per person, mandate that airlines reduce their overall carbon emissions by 50 percent by 2050, and force federal agencies to explain to Congress how they are increasing their usage of "minority banks."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosis-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-includes-return-of-obamaphones-climate-change-wishlist

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Pelosi ‘Stimulus’ Bill Imposes Nationwide ‘Ballot Harvesting’ Without ‘Any Limit’“Ballot harvesting” was legalized (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/30/blue-state-blues-democrats-stole-the-election-in-california-legally-through-ballot-harvesting/) in California in 2016, and first used in the 2018 midterm elections. It allows anyone to drop off someone else’s mail-in ballot at a polling station. There is no process for vetting or verifying those delivering the ballots — no background checks or identification requirements. Democrats dropped hundreds of thousands of ballots (https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-late-votes-broke-big-for-13432727.php) off at polling stations in 2018, helping Democrats as they flipped seven Republican seats.
The practice is illegal in most other states, largely because it is susceptible to fraud and intimidation. Republicans were caught flat-footed in 2018; they experimented with the tactic in recent special elections, only to find that their voters adamantly refuse to give their ballots to strangers. Democrats are more open to the practice — often because the “harvester” previously registered the voter, according to (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/30/blue-state-blues-democrats-stole-the-election-in-california-legally-through-ballot-harvesting/) Republican National Committeeman Shawn Steel.
California’s “ballot harvesting” law has yet to be challenged in court. It is one reason that California remains a one-party state, with little prospect for change in the foreseeable future.
Pelosi wants to take that system nationwide.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/03/23/pelosi-stimulus-bill-imposes-nationwide-ballot-harvesting-without-any-limit/

[oldno7]

@SenTomCotton
Families and businesses need help now to survive the China virus pandemic. But
@SpeakerPelosi
walked away from negotiations to write her own bill, full of absurd provisions completely unrelated to the crisis at hand. Here’s what Speaker Pelosi is demanding while Americans suffer:

om Cotton
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Replying to
@SenTomCotton
1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service

3. Required early voting

4. Required same day voter registration

5. 10k bailout for student loans



Tom Cotton
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6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers

7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining

8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025

9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights


Tom Cotton
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10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance

12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

[accadacca]

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[BasinCruiser]

So everyone is scrapping and clawing for their relief checks from the governments $2T bailout. But all of a sudden, I don’t hear anyone complaining about the LDS church’s accumulation of $Bs in donated $ and resources for emergency and humanitarian aid. But, that’s none of my business.

[dougrz]

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019

[oldno7]

And all the dems can do is lie about the whole situation enough to hope some of their lies catch on.

The dems prey on the ignorant, it's the foundation for which they are built.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

the democrat media wears hypocrisy so well.

https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/liberals-names-coronavirus.jpg

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

‘Don’t treat this bill like a partisan Christmas list’: Sen. Ted Cruz unloads on Democrats on the Senate floor (video)
If you’ve been following Twitchy at all today, you’ve heard from plenty of people what House Democrats have decided to sneak into the 1,400 coronavirus relief bill — such things as airline emissions, same-day voter registration, student loans, corporate diversity, etc.
Sen. Ted Cruz unloaded on the Democrats Monday, telling them to stop treating the bill like a “partisan Christmas list.”

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/23/dont-treat-this-bill-like-a-partisan-christmas-list-sen-ted-cruz-unloads-on-democrats-on-the-senate-floor-video/

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

So, the Dems see this a perfect opportunity to enact and progress their idealistic agenda. Well, two can play that game. Tell Mitch to tack onto the Dems addendums to repeal the NFA, make nationwide constitutional carry, nationwide firearm permit reciprocity, eliminate all magazine size bans, build the wall, and deport all illegal immigrants.

[blueeyes]

rockgremlin one other way they can test a person and determine they have recovered is to develop a test that detects antibodies to SARS-CoV 2 that your body would produce once you have cleared the infection. This would be a specialized test and sent to a reference lab.

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[oldno7]

Schumer: Government will pay four months of full salary for furloughed workers in stimulus proposal
The federal government will pay the full salaries of furloughed workers for up to four months under an emerging stimulus deal expected to get a vote as soon as Tuesday.
Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (https://thehill.com/people/charles-schumer) (N.Y.), who is negotiating the agreement with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin (https://thehill.com/people/steven-mnuchin), called the bipartisan agreement on unemployment benefits as “unemployment insurance on steroids.”
The proposal would allow furloughed workers to continue to collect health benefits from employers and a salary from the government.
“You can keep getting them, but, and most importantly, the federal government will pay your salary, your full salary for now four months,” Schumer said on the floor.
“We had asked for four months, and four months looks like what we’re going to get when we come this agreement,” he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489219-schumer-government-will-pay-four-months-of-full-salary-for-furloughed-workers

[devo_stevo]

So once again, the self employed are left to rot. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I can't claim unemployment, so this wouldn't apply to me and others in my situation. To be clear, I'm in a position where I shouldn't need the help, but there are many others out there that are not so fortunate, and tying aid to unemployment takes them out of the picture.

[dougrz]

A rotten, stinking result. Why 4 months? Why not 30 days to be renewed if needed? Unless the goal is to foment no working. With full pay, who is going to want to go back to work?

[oldno7]

A rotten, stinking result. Why 4 months? Why not 30 days to be renewed if needed? Unless the goal is to foment no working. With full pay, who is going to want to go back to work?

Buys democrat votes, more entitlement, not a bailout--PORK

[oldno7]

More much needed help coming from the dems

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/congress_pay_JPG-1331154.JPG

[oldno7]

Haven't see it yet but word is theres an additional amendment to not require voter ID

[oldno7]

Biden: "We have to take care of the cure that will make the problem worse no matter what"

https://twitter.com/CHIZMAGA/status/1242477951972560897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


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[oldno7]

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[middlefork]

So as of first thing this morning Utah was reporting 257 positive out of 5000 tests. And these are for people who have been pre-screened to be tested. Tell me why it is needed?

[accadacca]

New York is in some real trouble. I like this governor. The video starts at 30 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJPhVMn5D0&feature=youtu.be

[oldno7]

New York is in some real trouble. I like this governor. The video starts at 30 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJPhVMn5D0&feature=youtu.be

Yea, agree.

Big cities will be exposed for a long time.

[rockgremlin]

New York is in some real trouble. I like this governor. The video starts at 30 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJPhVMn5D0&feature=youtu.be


On the bright side, Cuomo did mention that just today they're starting experimental drug treatments such as Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, and DOH Plasma injections. I sincerely hope these are successful because they could turn the tide very quickly if effective.

Just trying to find the positive message in every bit of bad news that I encounter. Can be difficult some days...