Coronavirus

[Sombeech]

You guys, she could be a complete and utter fraud. I don't owe this woman anything. But if she is a fraud, we can still look at her argument objectively and see if there are any holes in it.

If she's a liar and a fraud, it should be simple to point out a hole in her logic. That's all I'm asking for. I don't need to know the conditions of her jail sentence. I want to know the holes in her logic.

[oldno7]

@Sombeech (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=6) post just that one link that is still up so Kurt can watch. It still works. I watched it again 3rd time this morning to confirm the swat video was the same swat video from a suspected murder case. And it is.

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I'll look later today, thx.

[oldno7]

And just to be perfectly clear:

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[Sombeech]

OK this is a little disturbing
https://twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1258125685014568960

"WHAT WOULD YOU DO if your six year old son or daughter tested positive for COVID19 and was taken from your home to a quarantine center by Ventura Health Authorities?"

[savanna3313]

Chere......I'm so sorry to hear of your sister in law's passing. My condolences to you and your family. Sounds like it's been an extra hard year for you all and hopefully there will be light at the end of this tunnel soon. God bless!

I've had 3 friends lose parents during this time (not to coronavirus) and the only thing the families were allowed to do was hold a graveside service. Others have a parent in assisted living hitting milestone birthdays they can't celebrate with except through a window. Just so unbelievably sad.....

[rockgremlin]

OK this is a little disturbing
https://twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1258125685014568960

"WHAT WOULD YOU DO if your six year old son or daughter tested positive for COVID19 and was taken from your home to a quarantine center by Ventura Health Authorities?"


If it were me, under these circumstances I would be very tight-lipped about disclosing health issues about any of my family members. I imagine others will do the same.

This foments distrust in the government. And maybe people need that.

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Seriously... If you are still scared you are free to stay in your home and cower.
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[accadacca]

Sorry to hear about that Chere. Horrible news.

[Sombeech]

I learned a great way to troll somebody that is acting a little self righteous because they are, or know somebody that is a nurse, and they are putting their lives on the line. My wife is a nurse so I've got a free pass on this one.

But, just ask them what their TikTok account is. LOL

Seriously though, respect, but if somebody on Facebook is acting like you are not respecting them enough, that's the time to ask about their TikTok account. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200508/63b0791e8d361c38d517db6ffd444c5d.jpg

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[accadacca]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

another karen

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[blueeyes]

Because I am typing this on my phone as I have time the next couple of days anything Justin has written will have a double dash at the beginning and end. My reply will follow.


--OK thanks, let's work with this then. Yes, Medicare fraud is a no-no. So the question is, have doctors and medical staff been pressured to add COVID 19 as the cause of death? It would seem so.--


Where is your evidence that doctors are being pressured to add COVID-19? From videos posted by disgruntled right wing docs? I don't buy into their bullshit anymore than I do left wing nut jobs.


For those on this board that do like to read articles for themselves and actually search out and sift through the news fodder I will post links to articles I have read to help me make my own decisions. For those of you who can't bother actually reading anything and just like to propagate fear I will put brief bullet points. Because it isn't going to make a difference in what I post your mind is clearly made up to buy into the Khanspearacies and not fully educate yourself by reading the entire article.


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/


In the article above points i find useful
• There is, of course, no evidence that COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated to inflate the death count — and needless to say, having someone with a doctor’s credentials publicly diminish the threat of COVID-19 is dangerous to the public good, to say the least
• “This public-health data is beneficial to all of us, eventually giving us a handle on who is most likely to die of COVID-19,” says Aiken. “It is not a conspiracy and not a departure from typical practice.” She also adds that it would be “very difficult” to manipulate data, considering how many “checks and balances [there are] in the U.S. death-investigation system,” with medical examiners’ offices sharing reports of COVID-19 deaths with both the Department of Health and the Bureau of Vital Records. “So there are three groups continuously analyzing, vetting, and refining the reported death information,” she says.


Justin you provide me with solid hard evidence that doctors are being pressured to put COVID-19 on death certs. Until I have solid evidence I do not believe this is maliciously happening to inflate COVID-19 deaths to further some left wing agenda.



Anyone suspected of COVID-19 and is in a hospital will have to have extra items to take care of the patient. And even if they have underlying conditions that most likely cause their death while having a comorbidity of COVID-19, that will go on a patients chart and medical coding to help pay for the costs of taking care of the patient. You have no clue how complicated medical billing is. No one does unless you work in coding and billing.

For fun here is a paper on two patients who died before confirmation of COVID-19.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcp/article/153/6/725/5818922



Results



A 77-year-old obese man with a history of hypertension, splenectomy, and 6 days of fever and chills died while being transported for medical care. He tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 on postmortem nasopharyngeal and lung parenchymal swabs. Autopsy revealed diffuse alveolar damage and chronic inflammation and edema in the bronchial mucosa. A 42-year-old obese man with a history of myotonic dystrophy developed abdominal pain followed by fever, shortness of breath, and cough. Postmortem nasopharyngeal swab was positive for SARS-CoV-2; lung parenchymal swabs were negative. Autopsy showed acute bronchopneumonia with evidence of aspiration. Neither autopsy revealed viral inclusions, mucus plugging in airways, eosinophils, or myocarditis.


Conclusions


SARS-CoV-2 testing can be performed at autopsy. Autopsy findings such as diffuse alveolar damage and airway inflammation reflect true virus-related pathology; other findings represent superimposed or unrelated processes.


Guess what the one person was not counted as dying with COVID-19 because he died of aspirating food into his lungs. But he would be counted as a person who had COVID-19. Because he did.


There is a podcast that discusses the paper if you would prefer to listen. You will find it here.


https://academic.oup.com/labmed/pages/Podcasts


--The question is, why? Why is there the suggestion to classify it as the virus?--

To pay medical costs associated with taking care of a patient with or suspected of COVID-19. This is not some nefarious deed.


https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/

The above link goes through how estimation of taking care of COVID-19 patients.

A few paragraphs to show where the numbers come from.

To project how much hospitals would get paid by the federal government for treating uninsured patients, we look at payments for admissions for similar conditions. For less severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017, which was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218. Each of these average payments was then increased by 20% to account for the add-on to Medicare inpatient reimbursement for patients with COVID-19 that was included in the CARES Act.1

Before accounting for the 20% add on, Medicare payments are about*half of what private insurers pay*on average for the same diagnoses. In the absence of this new proposed policy, many of the uninsured would typically be billed based on hospital charges, which are the undiscounted “list prices” for care and are typically much higher than even private insurance reimbursement.

Based on the above, we estimate total payments to hospitals for treating uninsured patients under the Trump administration policy would range from $13.9 billion to $41.8 billion. At the top end of the range, payments on behalf of the uninsured would consume more than 40% of the $100 billion fund Congress created to help hospitals and others respond to the COVID-19 epidemic. Given the uncertainty of our estimates of the total funding that will be needed to reimburse hospitals, and the fact that infections may come in several waves over the next year,2*it is unclear whether the new fund will be able to cover the costs of the uninsured in addition to other needs, such as the purchase of medical supplies and the construction of temporary facilities.


--With videos, they are easier for me to digest because I can listen to them while working. --

Again you want to debate...read what is written and presented to you and provided links to dispute your claim or stop posting crap to be disputed. Saying it is not worth my time to look at what you came with is a cowards cop out. And only tells me you are definitely a [emoji207] sheeple. What are you afraid of...that you might be educated beyond the narrative you "want" so desperately to believe. That there is a "reason" this pandemic has happened? It is mother ****ing nature at her cruelest plain and simple. Life truly sucks sometimes. End of story.

--And with my wife, yes she is an RN, working on her NP, she's got to wear the mask all day. The Doctors/surgeons are asked to wear the masks too, but they don't. They do whatever the hell they want.--

I don't wear a mask. I do wear one as I walk through the hospital hallways but thankfully in the lab it turns out no one is making me keep it on. So I don't. I have always worn one if I was sick at the hospital or if I had to work in close proximity to someone who kept coughing but wouldn't wear a mask themselves. The hospitals like the college are covering their asses because if someone comes to the hospital without COVID-19 and then ends up with COVID-19 you can damn well bet the hospital or college is going to be in a lawsuit. Which is bullshit. But this society is so ****ing litigious that if someone thinks they can get a dime out of you they will.

Doctors do what doctors do. Depending on the doctor it truly doesn't surprise me. Some of them have god complexes and some are truly humble and intelligent human beings.

If I were a nurse right now with kids and family at home. I would absolutely without reservation wear a mask at work. And before I walked in my door at home I would strip in the garage and put my work clothes in a bag to be washed immediately. Put a towel down on the driver's seat and wash it when I got home. And disinfect my car or better if I had 2 cars the family would not ride in my car until we had better understanding of the full implications of this virus. But each person has to decide what level of protection they are comfortable with and not be shamed by assholes.



--So if we can confirm the virus death numbers are being nudged upwards, we have to ask why. We have noticed only in the last week the CDC had to be a little more honest with us. So instead of 60k deaths from COVID, they admitted those numbers came from COVID "or" Flu "or" pneumonia.--

I have attached a pdf that goes over the current guidelines on reporting COVID-19 deaths. Please read it.

Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance
Report No. 3 [emoji830] April 2020
Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5eb594e7b6b59/vsrg03-508.pdf


--Somebody wants the count to be higher. Somebody wants the economy shut down longer.--

This point will all depend on what party you subscribe too. I am not sure what I personally believe here other than I feel like this pandemic has definitely highlighted our governments weaknesses and stupidity. Trump in my humble opinion is not a true leader. Never have I seen a more divided country than at this moment in time. He contradicts himself constantly and helps to contribute to the current environment of confusion. If he loses this election he truly has no one to blame but himself but Trump and his supporters will forever blame Pelosi and this pandemic ad nauseum . If he does win all he will do is gloat and stroke his over inflated ego. Democrats are no better. I have no love for either side. For this one point I have no rebuttal.


-- Somebody NEVER wanted Trump to mention HydroxyChloroquine with Zinc as a great remedy (and look at the results, plus look at the criticisms lash out about it). --


HC w/ Z is no cure all for this virus. You provide me with peer reviewed scientific paper that proves significant improvement.


I am not saying it doesn't work. But most of the literature I have read shows it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Plus the side effects for the dose required to produce results can produce bad outcomes for the patients heart.

They are still doing studies. I think there are far better options than HC w/Z like utilizing convalescent plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients.


--Somebody is contaminating the COVID tests with COVID. These things are happening--

Where do you get this idea? Please enlighten this lab technician.

There you go Justin I did your homework for you because you are too wrapped up in Khanspearacy theories to see through the propaganda.

Seriously try researching objectively yourself. Instead of just watching videos produced by people trying to make money off selling books and horribly produced documentaries.



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[blueeyes]

OK this is a little disturbing
https://twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1258125685014568960

"WHAT WOULD YOU DO if your six year old son or daughter tested positive for COVID19 and was taken from your home to a quarantine center by Ventura Health Authorities?"Again spreading fear...

Where in this video do they say they would take a child away? I heard no mention of if your child come down with COVID-19 we will take them from you.

What I heard was a plan for if there is no way to isolate they are looking for alternatives.

Are you telling me that if you lived in a single bedroom home with your family and you came down with COVID-19 and had no way to isolate yourself from your family you wouldn't consider the option of going to a hotel room until you were better?




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[rockgremlin]

Where in this video do they say they would take a child away? I heard no mention of if your child come down with COVID-19 we will take them from you.

What I heard was a plan for if there is no way to isolate they are looking for alternatives.


Well, he didn't come right out and say "we are coming for your children," but he did allude to the fact that they will come into your home and remove an infected person and relocate them to some other location. At 1:59 it is stated very clearly that they will "move people like this (infected people) into other kinds of housing that they have available." If the "other kind of person" in your house just happens to be 6 years old, then yeah he'll be relocated against his will.


But the flaw in Justin's reasoning here is that Covid has been shown NOT to have a strong affinity towards children. For some reason, kids under the age of 10 are hardly affected by this illness. And even kids who do contract it typically are unaffected and many don't even show symptoms.

[stefan]

Covid has been shown NOT to have a strong affinity towards children. For some reason, kids under the age of 10 are hardly affected by this illness. And even kids who do contract it typically are unaffected and many don't even show symptoms.

kids may show weaker symptoms and fewer hospitalizations but they could still be contagious and preliminary data show they do test positive

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[rockgremlin]

^^^?????

I didn't say "kids don't get coronavirus." I said they are hardly affected. From the table you posted it appears hundreds of thousands were tested, but kids under the age of 17 were consistently under 15% positive. Deaths in that age range are almost unheard of.

[stefan]

^^^?????

I didn't say "kids don't get coronavirus." I said they are hardly affected. From the table you posted it appears hundreds of thousands were tested, but kids under the age of 17 were consistently under 15% positive. Deaths in that age range are almost unheard of.

my post was not in disagreement with you about stronger symptoms and deaths (which i believe you mean by "affects"). if covid "not having a strong affinity towards children" means their likelihood of becoming infected (not simply severity of effects exhibited) relative to that of people in higher age ranges, results are mixed and evolving as more testing is done. i don't know that testing is widespread enough for scientists to determine yet how large that difference might be if there is one.

[blueeyes]

Well, he didn't come right out and say "we are coming for your children," but he did allude to the fact that they will come into your home and remove an infected person and relocate them to some other location. At 1:59 it is stated very clearly that they will "move people like this (infected people) into other kinds of housing that they have available." If the "other kind of person" in your house just happens to be 6 years old, then yeah he'll be relocated against his will.


But the flaw in Justin's reasoning here is that Covid has been shown NOT to have a strong affinity towards children. For some reason, kids under the age of 10 are hardly affected by this illness. And even kids who do contract it typically are unaffected and many don't even show symptoms.Exactly he didn't come out and say I am taking your children. People who want to spread fear or troll the internet start this crap.

For fun Monday morning I am calling the Ventura health department and asking them myself. I am pretty damn sure they will laugh. Think logically why the hell would you take a sick child from a parent that was perfectly capable of taking care of that child? Cost you more money to take care of that kid.

https://keyt.com/health/coronavirus/2020/05/06/ventura-county-expanding-contact-tracing-efforts/

The person who originally tested positive stays in isolation for 14 days. Ventura County will provide a free hotel room and meals if patients can't easily isolate.


“If they are not able to isolate themselves in the home, or if we determine that there might be a high risk family member in the house, we have a special housing program that we can offer them,” said Edmondson.


If you can't read there is a news clip you can listen to..


I will get back to you on Monday with what they say about a 6 year old.

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[Iceaxe]

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[blueeyes]

More on that ridiculous documentary from a board certified Pathologist with links to her sources.

Kat Montgomery
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10113287265749743&id=2228322

**EDITED TO ADD: I wrote this post to help my friends sort through misinformation and did not expect it to go viral. Several commenters have asked me to cite sources, and I agree that this is important to do. I still have a day job, but I have edited to include primary sources for all points when possible.

**SECOND EDIT: People seem to not understand that PubMed (ncbi) is the international database for cataloguing medical research studies and instead think it only contains government-funded information or research. This is not the case. It is basically the Google of peer-reviewed research studies.**

*The following statements represent my personal informed views and not those of any institution*

First, background: I’m a physician (specifically a board-certified pathologist, which includes microbiology and laboratory medicine) with a master’s degree in epidemiology.

In the last day or two, several friends have shared or posted about a video “documentary” called “Plandemic”. The film depicts now-discredited former researcher Judy Mikovits who shares a plausible-sounding narrative about the current pandemic. The problem here is that nearly all of her scientific statements are demonstrably false. If you have more to add to this list, or credible data to the contrary, please start a discussion. I suspect there are many more false claims in this video, but these are just the ones that stuck out to me as a physician with epidemiology training.

- She states “There is no vaccine for any RNA virus that works." Incorrect: Polio, hepatitis A, measles, to name a few.
(Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4763971/)

- Her retracted paper was actually not about vaccines at all, even though she insinuates that it was.

(Here is the article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19815723)

- She states that Ebola could not infect humans until it was engineered to do so in her laboratory. This is false.

(Here is an article describing an outbreak of Ebola in 1976, long before Dr. Mikovits was conducting research: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/214/suppl_3/S93/2388104 )

- Likewise, many other zoonotic viruses have been shown to gain mutations that allow them to infect humans. This would not be some kind of new, crazy idea. We actually predicted it years ago: we just didn’t know exactly which virus or when it would occur.

(Here is an article from 2015 discussing the likely emergence of future coronavirus pandemics: https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-015-0422-1 )


- She states that the US was working with Wuhan to study coronaviruses years ago, like it’s a “gotcha” moment: yes, of course we were doing this – Wuhan is a coronavirus hotspot and it makes sense to study this family of viruses where it naturally occurs.

(Same article as above: https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-015-0422-1 )

- She states that COPD lungs are identical to COVID-19 lungs. As a pathologist, this is ludicrous –

any practicing physician would be able to tell COPD from COVID-19, both clinically and histologically.

(One article discussing an overview of tools for diagnosing COVID19 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c02624, one about CT specifically https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1750307, and one about histology specifically https://academic.oup.com/ajcp/article/153/6/725/5818922)

- The statement taken out of context from the CDC death certificate recommendation reads in full “In cases where a definitive diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but is suspected or likely (the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed”. In these instances, certifiers should use their best judgment in determining if a COVID-19 diagnosis was likely. Testing for COVID-19 should be conducted whenever possible.”.

My physician colleagues are not being pressured to put COVID-19 on death certificates when it should not be there.

(Here is the actual document with instructions for
filling out death certificates from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf )


- The idea that physicians are incorrectly diagnosing COVID-19 due to financial incentive is also ridiculous. Medicare sometimes bundles payments for some conditions (i.e. if you have a heart attack, medicare may pay XX for your treatment) –

it’s possible the hospital could get paid $13,000 for your COVID-19 admission, but do you know what that’s based on? The fact that the average cost of a hospital admission for a respiratory condition is $13,297.

(I can’t post a scientific study here, since this isn’t a scientific fact, but this article describes the procedure in detail: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/ )


- She states that hydroxychloroquine has been “extensively studied in this family of viruses” –

in fact, it has not been studied well in coronaviruses. It HAS been studied in malaria, which is not a virus.

(Here is the one study that was performed that people like to cite, and it is an in vitro study (not in humans), of SARS (not COVID-19), and chloroquine (not hydroxychloroquine): https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69 ).

And yes, it is considered an essential medicine for the treatment of malaria. Not for coronaviruses.

-Furthermore, the data on hydroxychloroquine are much weaker than they originally appeared: the small study that was highly publicized was not a randomized controlled trial, and the only patients who died were those who received hydroxychloroquine (and these were EXCLUDED FROM ANALYSIS!). This is terrible science. Even so, we want to investigate all possible treatments, so controlled trials are being conducted on hydroxychloroquine right now.

(One study published on May 7 shows no benefit to using hydroxychloroquine https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410?listPDF=true )

- She insinuates that there is a hydroxychloroquine shortage as a result of reduced production. In fact, the shortage has resulted from an increase in demand: people who take this medication regularly are writing extended prescriptions and because physicians are using it for COVID19 patients because they have nothing else to try.
(https://jamanetwork.com/channels/health-forum/fullarticle/2764607?fbclid=IwAR2oKdwc0aZVFvkKUvw82r6XpnKeq0sFc 1iIxqO4JdKscy-81mC6hkRQ6fs).

- “All flu vaccines contain coronaviruses”.

Nope, absolutely false. (In fact, it’s so false based on the way vaccines are made that there are no studies specifically stating this claim. It would be like trying to conduct a study to examine whether humans can live with zero oxygen. Nope, we can’t. No study needed.)


- The ideas that sheltering in place somehow harms your immune system or that you may reactivate a virus in yourself by wearing a mask have been thoroughly debunked in other posts and I won’t get into the details here. Both national societies of emergency medicine have condemned the statements of these doctors, one of whom is not board-certified. (Please refer to Dr. Kasten’s post and others about these)

- Lastly, private companies removing false information from their platforms does not represent repression or promotion of propaganda. It’s helping to promote the spread of sound scientific information. If you think lies should be permitted to circulate freely alongside the truth with the intention of reaching people who won’t be able to tell the difference, you are part of the problem.




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[twotimer]

There are people out there that believe in God, ghosts, UFOs. Jesus died and was raised from the dead to save us all from ourselves...oh yeah, we got Satan, too.

Drink this Kool-aid, it's the blood of Christ. Put on a pair of white sneakers and we'll hitch a ride on the next comet. The planet is flat. Don't swim in that dark lake, there's something lurking in there that's gonna get your ass. There's a rapist hiding behind every bush. All young black men that look kinda sketchy are criminals and killers. Adults should be allowed to have sex with children or animals if they wish. A woman 8 months in can choose to have a fetus chopped to pieces and thrown in the trash if she's tired of being pregnant. There are advocates for everything I just wrote.

Shoving a cactus up your ass, or say...a gerbil, is probably not a good idea. Drinking fish tank cleaner or injecting Lysol into your arm would be rather foolish, too.

A perfect world were everyone says and does everything "correctly" is impossible...primarily because "correct" or "factual" can vary so widely form person to person. One man's trash is another's treasure.

It makes no sense frustrating yourself trying to beat "common sense" into someone else's brain. You're just wasting time and energy. Make an effort with your kids, I suppose...but otherwise I think it's best to just ignore those that appear to be careening around.

[blueeyes]

https://medium.com/@noahhaber/flatten-the-curve-of-armchair-epidemiology-9aa8cf92d652



Vet your sources or more people will be deluded
written by Noah Haber, ScD (@noahhaber), Mollie Wood, PhD (@anecdatally), and James Heathers, PhD (@jamesheathers), none of whom are infectious disease epidemiologists


Everyone has seen messages telling you we must “act today or people will die,”*COVID-19 is basically just the flu, and/or that “flattening the curve is a deadly delusion.” These often have numbers, charts, citations, retroactively edited titles (“taksies backsies”), and data “science.”
Unfortunately, all of the above are signs of DKE-19, a highly contagious illness threatening the response against COVID-19. We must act today to flatten the curve of armchair epidemiology, or we will all be in peril.

What is DKE-19?

Dunning-Kruger Effect (DKE)*is a phenomenon where people lack the ability to understand their lack of ability. While strains of DKE typically circulate seasonally, a new and more virulent strain called DKE-19 is now reaching pandemic proportions.
When you’re done reading this article, this is what you’ll take away:

DKE-19 is coming to you.

It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, then suddenly, then suddenlier.

When it does, your feeds will be overwhelmed.

Exhausted fact checkers will break down. Some will die of sadness.

The only way to prevent this is social media distancing. Not tomorrow. Today.

That means vetting sources BEFORE you share, starting now.

What are the symptoms?
Signs of DKE-19 generally appear 3–5 days after learning that the word “epidemiology” is not the study of skin diseases. Symptoms vary, but include extreme claims, making charts, and publishing on Medium. Although most cases are mild or even entirely asymptomatic,*the recent outbreak indicates that severe DKE-19 primarily affects men ages 24–36 working in tech, for reasons unknown to scientists who are unaccountably also men.
How is the infection spread?
DKE-19 is in the same family of misinformation viruses as the one that caused the b00m3R-FB outbreak in 2016. It is transmitted person-to-person through a variety of means, including listening to/repeating bullshit while on the toilet (“feco-aural transmission”), and sharing dirty tweedles.
Transmission most often occurs through casual digital contact from asymptomatic individuals. This strain tends to be hidden in well-intended partial truths, making population detection more difficult. DKE-19 can hide in viral reservoirs throughout the internet. Once infection takes hold, DKE-19 is exceedingly difficult to treat. Several cases of second-hand craniofacial injury have been reported, related to collisions between desks and actual experts’ heads.
It will only get worse
Recent lockdowns to contain COVID-19 have resulted in Bay Area tech employees having vastly more time on their thumbs. We expect that exponential growth of bullshit takes are likely to grow exponentialer until the heat death of the universe and/or last Tuesday.
Are you at risk?
We have combined the collective expertise of three people with PhDs to create*a machine learning model*which predicts the spread of DKE-19-related misinformation. We believe this to be the best, most accurate infectious disease model published on Medium as of the time of this writing.
Things you can do to flatten the curve

Wash your phone for at least 20 seconds fully immersed in soapy water

6 ft of social media distancing

If take appears hot/feverish, seek expert help

Check the qualifications of authors BEFORE sharing

Listen to people who know what they are talking about

Push for better social media infrastructure that can slow the spread of DKE-19 and future strains

Only you can help #flattenthecurve of DKE-19
Thanks to Dan Larremore (@DanLarremore) and Megan Sass (@Megan_Sass) for helping edit.


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[Iceaxe]

^^^ Now that's funny ^^^

[jman]

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If you can spare 37 mins. :2thumbs:

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[rockgremlin]

Elon Musk just became my new hero:

Tesla CEO Elon Musk lambasts 'fascist' coronavirus stay-in-place orders

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-lambasts-fascist-coronavirus-stayinplace-orders-000243948.html


^^^^Back on April 29 I made this post after Elon Musk was getting really vocal about re-opening the economy, even going so far as calling the stay at home orders "fascist".

Since then, Mr. Musk has doubled down, and has become a very outspoken critic of the economic lockdown.

In a company update titled, Getting Back to Work (https://stocktwits.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c3804a16b0968abce7a3b26a&id=475b1fc371&e=d140a7372e), Tesla shelled out its plan to safely return. Here’s the 38-page playbook (https://stocktwits.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c3804a16b0968abce7a3b26a&id=33473d142b&e=d140a7372e).

However, Alameda County, CA thinks otherwise and said if the company opened it would be out of compliance with the order.

Now, Tesla is suing Alameda County for not letting the company reopen. This is crazy - here’s the official complaint (https://stocktwits.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=9c3804a16b0968abce7a3b26a&id=a083062d79&e=d140a7372e) Tesla filed. But wait...

Elon tweeted and threatened to move Tesla from the state of California.

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And here is Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez's very classy and professional reply:

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Scott Card]

Probably the most difficult thing for me personally is watching what this pandemic has done to the elderly. My father is 94 and in a care facility. Me, my siblings, and the grand kids have not seen my dad for about three months now. My dad has quite literally been quarantined to his room for 28 of those days and is currently in his room and can't leave. Food is brought to him and he is checked on by staff. He doesn't know how to use technology so he can't Zoom, facetime, etc. It really breaks my heart to see him and others suffer with extreme loneliness. My dad was an educator and a people person. My mom passed away a year and a half ago so he is alone. We can't even do window visits because one employee's mother tested positive and so the whole facility is on extreme lock-down again. I get it. If the virus gets in that care facility, many would die. As for my in-laws, I don't think I have ever seen fear in their eyes like I have with this virus. Moral of the story, if you have any elderly parents/grandparents, give them a call. They could use it.

[Iceaxe]

^^^My Mom is also in an elderly care center and it's the same deal where she is at. I haven't seen her in over two month's. I would normally go have lunch with her every Tuesday.

But I'm also a pragmatic person and I have to say it might be better to let this pandemic run it's course and extract it's ounce of flesh because this is bullshit. The current quality of life in an elderly care center is low and not something I'd care to be part of it I was in such a place. I'm just not a fan of destroying the country in the process of trying to protect those with underlying medical issues. IMHO... We managed to create a cure worse then the disease... YMMV

:soapbox:

[middlefork]

End of life decisions are never easy. I've lost everyone who came before me. As I tell my family, I'm up to bat. I almost hit a home run last year.

Quality of life to me is very important. Quantity not so much.

[jman]

Probably the most difficult thing for me personally is watching what this pandemic has done to the elderly. My father is 94 and in a care facility. Me, my siblings, and the grand kids have not seen my dad for about three months now. My dad has quite literally been quarantined to his room for 28 of those days and is currently in his room and can't leave. Food is brought to him and he is checked on by staff. He doesn't know how to use technology so he can't Zoom, facetime, etc. It really breaks my heart to see him and others suffer with extreme loneliness. My dad was an educator and a people person. My mom passed away a year and a half ago so he is alone. We can't even do window visits because one employee's mother tested positive and so the whole facility is on extreme lock-down again. I get it. If the virus gets in that care facility, many would die. As for my in-laws, I don't think I have ever seen fear in their eyes like I have with this virus. Moral of the story, if you have any elderly parents/grandparents, give them a call. They could use it.

My brother posted a story on Facebook a few days ago that relates to your experience with our elderly that I thought was very good. It got shared a few times so I hope some elderly folks got messages or called. All of my grandparents have passed but at the initial self-isolation we started our first ever weekly FaceTime on Sunday afternoons with my parents and siblings who live out of state.

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[Sombeech]

Watch the media remove their masks once they think the cameras are off.

https://twitter.com/Matt_Zawadzki/status/1260091180190240768

It's all a joke and we are getting played so hard.

[Sombeech]

Nope, better keep the churches closed

https://twitter.com/ethanjweiss/status/1259165939037331456

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[Iceaxe]

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[blueeyes]

MINDF*CK MONDAY #29: WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE CRAZY THINGS

By Mark Manson

https://markmanson.net/newsletters/mindfck-monday-29

May 4, 2020

Welcome to another MF’in Monday email, the only weekly newsletter that probably has a worse hangover than you do. Every week, I present three interesting ideas to hopefully make us all less terrible human beings. This week we’re talking 1) conspiracy theories — why do people believe them? 2) good news: the great mental health collapse of 2020 may have been greatly exaggerated and 3) some new science that suggests that swearing is useful!*

Let’s get into it.*

(Note: if you enjoy this email and know someone who would benefit from it, please consider forwarding it and asking them to*sign up*to receive it themselves.)

1. Why people believe crazy things*– Over the past two months, I have been receiving a steady stream of crazy conspiracy-laden emails—far more than usual. These range from your typical anti-vaccine nonsense to “5G data networks causes coronavirus” to the idea that the entire pandemic (or, excuse me, “plandemic”) is a well-coordinated hoax by some shadowy international cabal looking to… I don’t know, make lots of money, or something.

Many other readers have emailed me over the past month saying that they are alarmed at how many of their otherwise smart, well-adjusted friends and family have gone looney tunes recently and bought into this nonsense. They have asked me what it is about these theories that is so appealing. Why do smart people put their brain on hold while they check the other line for a few months?

Fortunately, I, too, was once 16 years old and believed every theory I read on the internet. So I kind of feel I understand where these people are coming from. As with most human behavior, conspiracy theorizing doesn’t appeal to us on an intellectual level, it appeals to us on an emotional level. And once you understand that, it all starts making a lot more sense.*
Conspiracy theories originate from:*

A) A Desperate Need for Certainty*– Human minds are meaning machines. When something good happens to us, we demand to know why. When something bad happens to us, we also demand to know why. The better or worse the thing that happened, the more powerful the instinct to deduce the reason and cause.

The problem is that many of the most impactful events in human history can happen for no apparent reason. This drives the human mind bananas. The idea that millions of lives can end or be changed forever (and it was not consciously decided or controlled by some outside force) is just inconceivable to our brains on some level. We don’t like randomness because randomness means uncertainty and uncertainty means we’re not safe.

Therefore, we all have an extremely strong emotional urge to make sense of calamities in a way that gives someone or something conscious control of that event. The easiest way to do this is to find the people or groups who are most likely to benefit from said calamity. Generally, in crises, uber-wealthy people and governments benefit the most. They also have the most power to begin with. Ergo, most people’s minds have a strong gravitational pull towards believing that uber-wealthy people and governments must therefore be orchestrating the calamity in some way.

But the fact is that even the most competent individuals and governments are horribly inefficient and inept in most cases. Remember the first maxim of*Negative Self Help*— humans suck. You could add an addendum to that by saying, “Humans suck; human organizations suck even more.” I don’t care if you’re the CIA, the NRA, the Gates Foundation or the Hare Krishnas — human organizations are generally slow, wasteful, incompetent, and woefully unaware of the consequences of their actions. The idea that thousands of people could coordinate perfectly—in secret!—to accomplish some nefarious goal is insane, at least to anyone who has actually dealt with other humans in a significant capacity.

B) Feelings of Moral and Intellectual Superiority*– When you believe something most other people don’t, you experience a sense of superiority and righteousness. You feel pity and outrage at the uninformed masses—outrage that you must become a great martyr to help save humanity from its blindness.

Ah, how dramatic!


If the craving for certainty attracts one to a conspiracy theory, the false sense of moral superiority cements it. Not only do you get to know why the virus spread, but you get to feel sorry for the confused masses. You get to be angry that more people don’t “open their eyes” or “wake up.” You get to argue really, really intensely on social media, or with some dickhead with a newsletter, that*nooooo,*if only you understood.

Basically, people hold onto conspiracy theories for the same reason they root for the underdog in sports, or they pick the most obscure film or band to be their favorite music, or they try to join secret clubs—the exclusivity grants them a feeling of importance.

The tragedy of all of this is that attacking these people for their beliefs makes them more determined. “Of course you’d attack me! The truth is too much for you to handle!” And on and on the false sense of importance goes.

C) Lack of Critical Thinking*– I’ve always found it funny that governments can hardly pay for a toilet without it leaking to the press in some way, yet we’re supposed to believe that tens of thousands of people coordinated across the planet and not a single person broke the silence?

Or, how about the purported motive of most conspiracy theories is some form of “Rich guy wants to be even richer!”

Well, what the ****? Why doesn’t he just invest in Amazon. I mean, given how long it would take to plan and execute a pandemic, that’s probably just as lucrative and you don’t have to kill millions of people!

Generally, I’ve found that conspiracy theorists are unable to think two or three moves ahead on the chess board. They fail to detect the difference between evidence and conjecture, what is fact and what is opinion. I’ve also noticed they’re just bad at math. For instance, they look at a situation with vaccines where you might have 37,000 deaths and 200 million lives saved, and because 37,000 is a really big number, they just assume it’s bad… without considering the fact that it’s 0.0018% of the number of lives saved.

But most importantly, conspiracy theorists just strike me as intensely lonely. To be able to believe such outlandish things about human nature, to assume that vast organizations can coordinate in such ways, and to see that amount of raw evil in the world… this seems only possible for someone who doesn’t get out nearly enough. Go talk to a couple of government officials and spend a few months in a corporate hierarchy. You will quickly see that they could hardly organize a children’s parade, much less build network towers that beam viruses into people around the globe simultaneously.*

So, what do you do with a person who believes in a conspiracy theory? I think the best thing you can do is simply state facts while trying to relate to them on an emotional level. You can challenge their claims. But do it patiently, respectfully. Be kind. They will lash out emotionally—because, after all, conspiracy theories are about emotions, not logic—and they might call you names, say you’re evil, feel sorry for you, etc., etc.*
But you’re not going to change their minds in one go. No, instead you must pepper them with information and perspective, and then just let it all take hold in the soil of their minds, like seeds of rationality.*

And eventually, when these people do come out and start experiencing the world in all of its complexity and ambiguity, those seeds will sprout. And they will (hopefully) realize that, yes, they were being a dumb****.*
And the world will rejoice.*

2. Perhaps there is no Great Mental Health Apocalypse*– About a month ago, deep in my own little quarantine, I*wrote an article*lamenting that we were likely going to see an explosion of mental health issues in 2020—due to social isolation, boredom, and general fear and anxiety about the world.*

Well, I have some good news. It appears I might have been wrong. Two new academic papers are in the process of being published, both looking at people’s mental health under quarantine. And the results are encouraging.*

The*first one*studied people’s feelings of social connection and relatedness under quarantine. After a few weeks, the vast majority of people reported little to no drop in feelings of social connectedness, including extraverts. And while many people reported increased feelings of lethargy, overall life satisfaction was barely affected.

The*second study*looked at a group of Dutch students and found that mental health problems did not increase over a measured three-week period in March and April. In fact, early on, mental health problems slightly*decreased.*
Perhaps we underestimate the resiliency of the human mind. Perhaps our fear of social distancing outpaced the emotional reality of it. Perhaps, as I discuss in*Everything is F*cked: A Book About Hope, the challenges of the crisis reinforced our mental fortitude rather than wrecked it. Perhaps, as usual, I need to relearn the lessons from my own books.*

For me, personally, the last few weeks have been much better. It feels as though there was a mental adjustment period the first two to three weeks and since then, problems have been minimal. I certainly do miss my friends and being able to go enjoy a night on the town. But overall, my mood and energy have stabilized. I’ve developed routines. And I feel pretty good. Better problems and all that.

3. **** yes! Swearing works!*– As you can imagine, I get criticized for my use of profanity all the damn time. In fact, I received so many complaints that a few years ago, I wrote an article called,*“Why I Have a Potty Mouth”. In that article, I explain the social uses of profanity, how the meaning of words evolves over time, and why profanity is actually advantageous in the context of personal development.

Yet, my critics were unimpressed.*

Well, the other day I stumbled across*a new study*that says, in fact, I was ****ing right. Shouting the word “****” not only increased people’s pain tolerance, but it also heightened experiences of humor and emotion. You’re goddamn right it did! From the study:*

“For conventional swearing (“****”), confirmatory analyses found a 32% increase in pain threshold and a 33% increase in pain tolerance, accompanied by increased ratings for emotion, humor, and distraction, relative to the neutral word condition.”

**** yeah, science. Score one for Team Mark “****face” Manson.*

So, the next time someone whines at me about my habitual use of the F-word, I will say, in the words of the great Jesse Pinkman, “Science, bitch!”. Because apparently, when dealing with the more painful aspects of life, few things come in handy as much as an enthusiastic F-bomb.*
Until next week,

Mark

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[Sombeech]

Oh I LOVE a good conspiracy theory! The one where President Trump was an asset of Russia was one of my favorite. It still lingers today.

[blueeyes]

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/afb37c5f0df600fa9822dc4e9e61b237.jpgHard to question the government when the government refuses to answer questions.

https://youtu.be/xNw5wa4Q8IY

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[devo_stevo]

A friend shared this article on facebook. I hate reading crap like this. Not because I'm a Trump apologist or I think he is doing everything right, or because he's paying me to say good things or anything like that. I hate these articles because they only tell one side of the story, and they project blame away from everyone that isn't Trump for everything that they think could have happened or whatever. They are saying that we could have prevented 90% of the deaths from COVID19 if we had closed down the country on March 2, rather than when we did. What?? How do you figure that out? Also, no mention of all of the democrats that called Trump a racist or xenophobe for limiting travel to and from China and Europe when he did. What about when all of those democrats were out telling everyone to go to the parades in Chinatown?

I mean, they aren't even trying to cover their bias with anything resembling truth anymore. They just blatantly ignore what really happened. This is what Bill Barr means when he said that history is written by the winners. What a piece of crap article.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/?fbclid=IwAR04BL9ADFSqhEfXEqwwTXXvevJAyIPLrgX5YZJG jF_Vpm7gDBy4SuSTVhc

[blueeyes]

Oh I LOVE a good conspiracy theory! The one where President Trump was an asset of Russia was one of my favorite. It still lingers today.Conspiracy

False = Trump working with Russia to influence 2016 election

Truth = Russia and others screwing with the election of their own accord because people don't research their facts. They just believe what they watch in videos.

Result = Trump has become an asset to Russia.


My opinion = Is this good or bad well I haven't determined yet.

Trump clearly has a hard on for both Putin and Kim Jong-un


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[Sombeech]

Conspiracy

False = Trump working with Russia to influence 2016 election

Truth = Russia and others screwing with the election of their own accord because people don't research their facts. They just believe what they watch in videos.

Result = Trump has become an asset to Russia.


My opinion = Is this good or bad well I haven't determined yet.

Trump clearly has a hard on for both Putin and Kim Jong-un


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You do know that Putin did NOT want Trump to win, right?

and did you also know that the DNC was NOT hacked by Russia?

[Iceaxe]

Hard to question the government when the government refuses to answer questions.

Perhaps if #FAKENEWS tried asking intelligent or even relevant questions they would get answers.

Trump has been the most open and transparent President in our lifetime. I don't fault him in the slightest for refusing to answer "gotcha" questions.

I remember when I was in 6th grade and we discovered gotcha questions. A favorite was "have you ever f**ked a pig as much as you wanted?"

The questions asked by #FAKENEWS might be a little more sophisticated, but they are still intentionally structured to make anyone foolish enough to answer them look like a dumbass, so the only way to win is to change the rules and refuse to answer.

[rockgremlin]

Perhaps if #FAKENEWS tried asking intelligent or even relevant questions they would get answers.

Trump has been the most open and transparent President in our lifetime. I don't fault him in the slightest for refusing to answer "gotcha" questions.

I remember when I was in 6th grade and we discovered gotcha questions. A favorite was "have you ever f**ked a pig as much as you wanted?"

The questions asked by #FAKENEWS might be a little more sophisticated, but they are still intentionally structured to make anyone foolish enough to answer them look like a dumbass, so the only way to win is to change the rules and refuse to answer.


I was just going to say this. The question she was asking was ridiculously worded, and was NOT an attempt to gain knowledge but to trap Trump. Trump sniffed that out immediately and that's why he shut it down. Blows my mind that a rationally thinking person couldn't see this.

[Sombeech]

Trump has been the most open and transparent President in our lifetime.

The dude is constantly taking questions, and from people that hate him, not his favorite planted questions.

He's so transparent that several of the big MSM companies wanted to find a way to silence him.

I can't think of a single time that Trump has been asked a question that he wouldn't answer, unless it were timing issues like the condition of Kim Jung Un which was total strategy. Damn, some traitorous little shits got busted for that story. So sweet. Other than timing issues, like ongoing investigations or sensitive issues, Trump is completely transparent. A major complaint from his enemies is about hearing from him too much.

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[rockgremlin]

Hard to question the government when the government refuses to answer questions.

https://youtu.be/xNw5wa4Q8IY


Go to 1:15 of this video -- as Trump is walking away from the podium someone loudly proclaims "What the......?"


:roflol::roflol::roflol:

[Iceaxe]

Go to 1:15 of this video -- as Trump is walking away from the podium someone loudly proclaims "What the......?"


:roflol::roflol::roflol:


And since this video clip fails to show it.... the chick asking the dumbass question is Asian and was attempting to trap Trump in a racist comment trap.

[BasinCruiser]

And since this video clip fails to show it.... the chick asking the dumbass question is Asian and was attempting to trap Trump in a racist comment trap.

Can her reaction ‘......(stumble). Um , sir, why are you saying that to me’ be described as anything less than a middle school temper tantrum response? Same as ‘I know what you are, but what am I?’ Or’ Rubber and glue ..(you know the thing’.

She asked him a question, and he responded by pointing to China. Who else would he be answering to? She asked the question, he responded to her. It’s not like Wolverine else in the crowd asked a question, and he then picked her out and directed her to go ask China.

Clearly a race bait attempt- pathetic and childish one at best.

How else would anyone expect anyone to respond to a childish response and outburst like that other than to just stop the press conference?

[Iceaxe]

Clearly a race bait attempt- pathetic and childish one at best.

How else would anyone expect anyone to respond to a childish response and outburst like that other than to just stop the press conference?

Perhaps Blueeyes will field that question as she didn't agree with Trump's response...

[oldno7]

And wheres the don't separate the children movement now----oh, it's not politically convenient, I get it.

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[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

L.A. County extends Stay-at-Home orders until July. :facepalm1:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/coronavirus-beaches-reopen-los-angeles-county-move-toward-new-normal


Read the comments -- folks are livid about it, as they should be. Maybe, just maybe this is what it takes to inspire the population of Kalifornistan to consider voting out the current leadership.

[Iceaxe]

^^^yeah... my thought was in attempting to nail Trump some Democrats might be pounding nails into their own coffins... or at least we can hope.

[Adonis]

L.A. County extends Stay-at-Home orders until July. :facepalm1:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/coronavirus-beaches-reopen-los-angeles-county-move-toward-new-normal


Read the comments -- folks are livid about it, as they should be. Maybe, just maybe this is what it takes to inspire the population of Kalifornistan to consider voting out the current leadership.


Let me guess? No one can defend capitalism...and no one acknowledges 80+% vote for Garcetti and hes done nothing out of the his style?
" And avoid eating and drinking at bars, restaurants, and public food courts.If everyone makes this change or these critical changes and sacrifices now, we will rally together as one nation and we will defeat the virus. And we’re going to have a big celebration all together

" some may look at them and say they’re going to be really inconvenient for people. Some will look and say, well, maybe we’ve gone a little bit too far. They were well thought out. And the thing that I want to reemphasize, and I’ll say it over and over again: When you’re dealing with an emerging infectious diseases outbreak, you are always behind where you think you are if you think that today reflects where you really are. That’s not word speak. It means: If you think you’re here, you’re really here because you’re only getting the results; therefore, it will always seem that the best way to address it were to be doing something that looks like it might be an overreaction. It isn’t an overreaction. It’s a reaction that we feel is commensurate, which is actually going on in reality."
"So it seems to me that if we do a really good job, we’ll not only hold the death down to a level that is much lower than the other way had we not done a good job. But people are talking about July, August, something like that. So it could be right in that period of time where it, I say, wash — it washes through. Other people don’t like that term. But where it washes through.

Q So is this the new normal until either the summer?

A: We’ll see what happens. But they think August. Could be July. Could be longer than that. But I’ve asked that question many, many times."

Do you need more? There are wolves and there are those who let the wolves run. But you dont hear about those people.

[rockgremlin]

Let me guess? No one can defend capitalism...


"Even fewer can defend socialism."

Why?

Because most are dead...

[BasinCruiser]

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[aporyste]

Hope the vaccine gets released soon so that our lives can go back to normal.

[devo_stevo]

^^I'm not touching that vaccine. Do you know how much platinum is going to be in that stuff? Don't you know how those heavy metals in vaccines give kids autism?

[Sombeech]

Don't you know how those heavy metals

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If that's not the face of autism, I don't know what is.

that's a joke, btw. Before anyone gets upset that I'm making fun of autistic people...

[accadacca]

I heard from a bird that a mother giving birth at a Utah hospital tested positive for Covid-19, because they test all moms before they enter the hospital. The strange thing? Well, her husband tested negative. Anyway, they told her that they would have to separate her from the baby after birth. The mother refused and signed a “against medical advice” form to keep her baby with her.

[Iceaxe]

^^^Shouldn't this be in the Bitchez Be Crazy thread?

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[oldno7]

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[aporyste]

Well, we have no choice. Only a vaccine will give the solution to this pandemic. Scientist have said that without the presence of a vaccine, we can expect for the virus to keep on coming back just like flu, a deadly flu.

[oldno7]

Well, we have no choice. Only a vaccine will give the solution to this pandemic. Scientist have said that without the presence of a vaccine, we can expect for the virus to keep on coming back just like flu, a deadly flu.


yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

we must all stay indoors.
very well said--we have no choice, theres dangerous stuff beyond our front doors.
I'm closing my blinds now to further insulate from the china virus.:2thumbs:

[oldno7]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

we must all stay indoors.
very well said--we have no choice, theres dangerous stuff beyond our front doors.
I'm closing my blinds now to further insulate from the china virus.:2thumbs:

AND--I will only look outside if I hear neighbors talking outside their homes or mis behaving, then of course it will be my duty to turn them in to the proper authorities.

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[oldno7]

Truly hope this is "real" news.

California biopharmaceutical company claims coronavirus antibody breakthroughEXCLUSIVE — A California-based biopharmaceutical company claims to have discovered an antibody that could shield the human body from the coronavirus (https://slack-redir.net/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fcategory% 2Fhealth%2Finfectious-disease%2Fcoronavirus) and flush it out of a person’s system within four days, Fox News has exclusively learned.
Later Friday, Sorrento Therapeutics will announce their discovery of the STI-1499 antibody, which the San Diego company said can provide "100% inhibition" of COVID-19, adding that a treatment could be available months before a vaccine hits the market.
"We want to emphasize there is a cure. There is a solution that works 100 percent," Dr. Henry Ji, founder and CEO of Sorrento Therapeutics, told Fox News. "If we have the neutralizing antibody in your body, you don't need the social distancing. You can open up a society without fear."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/california-biopharmaceutical-company-claims-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough/ar-BB147Tvt?ocid=msedgntp

[savanna3313]

My last remaining uncle (by marriage) passed away yesterday in New Orleans - NOT from Covid. He was 87, lived a long, full life, but because of Covid, the best available service will be a graveside service with limited attendance. He should be buried with full military honors as he served during Korea in the 101st Airborne - something he never mentioned. I didn't know until I read his obituary today. The last of the greatest generation is disappearing......:flag:

[rockgremlin]

Truly hope this is "real" news.

California biopharmaceutical company claims coronavirus antibody breakthroughEXCLUSIVE — A California-based biopharmaceutical company claims to have discovered an antibody that could shield the human body from the coronavirus (https://slack-redir.net/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fcategory% 2Fhealth%2Finfectious-disease%2Fcoronavirus) and flush it out of a person’s system within four days, Fox News has exclusively learned.
Later Friday, Sorrento Therapeutics will announce their discovery of the STI-1499 antibody, which the San Diego company said can provide "100% inhibition" of COVID-19, adding that a treatment could be available months before a vaccine hits the market.
"We want to emphasize there is a cure. There is a solution that works 100 percent," Dr. Henry Ji, founder and CEO of Sorrento Therapeutics, told Fox News. "If we have the neutralizing antibody in your body, you don't need the social distancing. You can open up a society without fear."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/california-biopharmaceutical-company-claims-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough/ar-BB147Tvt?ocid=msedgntp

Sorrento Therapeutics stock (SRNE) spiked 158% today. Over a half billion shares traded just today!! :eek2:

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Evidence grows that Coronavirus was man-made: the bat virus it “evolved” from appears to be fakedThe virus that SARS-CoV-2 is supposed to have evolved from looks unmistakably artificial — in sections it contains far too many “mutations” that matter but hardly any of the normal noise of silent mutations which always occur naturally alongside the mutations which change the end product. Like someone cut and pasted multiple photos together with different background noise. Other sections of the code which ought to mutate quickly are suspiciously identical and unchanged, and didn’t mutate at all. (In the wild there is little selective pressure on something called “E Proteins” and they vary a lot in other coronaviruses. They are already mutating fast in the pandemic but somehow were “frozen” in time in RaTG13.)
Dr. Shi Zhengli is known as the Bat Woman of Wuhan Virology. We’ve already heard how her lab was central to research on Coronaviruses and how she and others were ordered to destroy all copies (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-synthetic-pandemic-man-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-is-man-made-ccp-destroyed-the-evidence/) of the laboratory viruses on Jan 2nd this year in what appears to be a mass cover up.

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/is-coronavirus-man-made-the-bat-virus-it-evolved-from-appears-to-be-faked/

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[Sombeech]

Trump reveals he has been taking HydroxyChloroquine.

You'd think that if it were so bad, the Dems would be celebrating this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I9Bb8Fbui0

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Everything you need to know about Covid-19...

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[Byron]

Remember boys and girls...a little more than a hundred years ago we were all still riding horses around and with our sewage flowing right down the middle of the streets.

Evolving quickly yet so slowly at the same time.

[rockgremlin]

Recently Costco has required all customers to have masks in their stores - even to the point of commandeering your cart and telling you to leave:

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1263105697102741510?s=20

Such bravery on the part of that Costco employee. :roll:

[BasinCruiser]

(I know... should be in butchers be crazy thread)


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[Iceaxe]

Ted Nugent knocks it out of the park:

“Why do I have to stay home just because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared? How about 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay home....𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay in 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 house indefinitely, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 wear a mask, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 socially distance yourself from me, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid restaurants, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid baseball games, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay off the roads, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid malls and beaches and parks, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the made up death numbers, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the media hype, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 get your toxic vaccine while avoiding vitamin C, sunshine and the things God gave us to actually heal?

I'm done playing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb game. We are not “all in this together.” I'm not wearing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb tin foil hat anymore. I’m no longer going to be a prisoner of your fear. I'm no longer staying in my house or catering to 𝘆𝗼𝘂 because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared. I'm not wearing a mask and I'm not staying 6 feet away from you anymore because I'm not afraid of you. You are not my enemy and if I get sick, it's not because of 𝘆𝗼𝘂, it's because of me and my system, which not only have I been addressing for quite some time, but I also know how to treat if I get sick.

This virus (or whatever it is) is already circulating. Millions of people have already encountered it, as it's been circulating around the world probably since last September. You WILL have to confront this thing, if you haven’t already. There is no way around it, unless you lock yourself up in your house and it somehow doesn't manage to hop on some mail or some groceries that you ordered online.

𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not an excuse to destroy America. 𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not my fear and your fear does not have the right to interfere with my life, my job, my income or my future as a free American citizen. So if you're scared, you can just put your tin foil hat on, or even wrap foil all around your whole body - or around your whole house if you wish - but please keep your fear contained to your little corner of the world and don't contaminate me or my family or my Country.” [emoji631]

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[BasinCruiser]

It took em a while. But, they finally managed to pull it off. The MSM pandering to the SJWs, linking race, climate change, pollution, and CCP virus together, all to blame Trump. As if they ran out of stupid things to blame Trump for.

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[BasinCruiser]

Been a while since we’ve had a good conspiracy theory. So, here’s new one. Enjoy


I copied n pasted (Has anyone else heard this?!?) interesting 🤔🤔🤷*♀️🤷*♀️


Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.

[blueeyes]

Been a while since we’ve had a good conspiracy theory. So, here’s new one. Enjoy


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Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.Please president Trumpy save us from our stupidity.

I think I am going to start collecting conspiracy theories.

How many can one pandemic generate?

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[Sombeech]

Evidence it was created, designed, not a natural virus.

This was planned. Think of the reasons why, who benefits most and who gets harmed the most?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

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[Byron]

It was one of three things...
1. It sprang up au naturale
2. The CCP was screwing with it and it got away from them
3. The CCP cooked it up and released it deliberately

We (the public, at least) don't really know yet, but personally I'm leaning toward #3...especially since the WHO, which is funded with hundreds of billions of dollars and is supposed to be the canary in the coal mine with these types of things dropped the ball. Are they really that incompetent? No...I think they were manhandled by the CCP.

Could have been accidental...and the CCP reacted like a kid who ran away after throwing a brick thru a window.

I'm having a hard time believing it sprang up from the sloppy floor goo of a slaughterhouse...especially considering the shenanigans.

I say we nuke Beijing...take the leadership in one fell swoop.

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[rockgremlin]

Joe Rogan tells it like it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBAZNqa1SA4


Really good down-to-earth analysis.

[Byron]

Really good down-to-earth analysis.Yeah, it is. The problem is that it all makes sense now, but wouldn't have two months ago.

This whole thing was a no-win situation...let it run rampant and old people (in particular) drop like flies. I'm tellin' ya...that old folks home in Seattle kick started this whole thing. Body bags being wheeled out of these places all over the country would have been completely unacceptable. The freak out would be epic.

I think this whole thing is progressing pretty much the way it should...people gave into the lockdown stuff and now they're done with it. Everybody knows what the deal is. I look on the bright side with all this...they never put up any roadblocks and the cops weren't pulling you over and ordering you to get your ass back home.

Although big mass crowd events and restaurants took a big sock to the jaw, I'd say that within a month even most of the worry warts in panic mode will start to relax.

[Sombeech]

Been a while since we’ve had a good conspiracy theory. So, here’s new one. Enjoy


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Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.It is true though, now analyzed that 96% of their COVID deaths had other chronic illnesses.

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[rockgremlin]

Yeah, it is. The problem is that it all makes sense now, but wouldn't have two months ago.

This whole thing was a no-win situation...let it run rampant and old people (in particular) drop like flies. I'm tellin' ya...that old folks home in Seattle kick started this whole thing. Body bags being wheeled out of these places all over the country would have been completely unacceptable. The freak out would be epic.

I think this whole thing is progressing pretty much the way it should...people gave into the lockdown stuff and now they're done with it. Everybody knows what the deal is. I look on the bright side with all this...they never put up any roadblocks and the cops weren't pulling you over and ordering you to get your ass back home.

Although big mass crowd events and restaurants took a big sock to the jaw, I'd say that within a month even most of the worry warts in panic mode will start to relax.


I guess it depends on where you live. I believe Kalifornistan is on stay-home orders until August. Sheeshhh... can you imagine spending your summer inside the house?

It's so bad in Cali these days that Mr Rogan wants to follow Elon Musk to Texas: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-moving-california-texas-elon-musk-coronavirus-lockdown-1504320

Right now there's a cultural shift -- more folks are doing their shopping and working online - to the point that small businesses are going bankrupt. Amazon and Walmart are exploding, but smaller locally owned businesses suffer. And this shift will continue for a while. There are permanent consequences that will come out of this - some good, some bad.

[Byron]

I guess it depends on where you live. I believe Kalifornistan is on stay-home orders until August. Sheeshhh... can you imagine spending your summer inside the house?

It's so bad in Cali these days that Mr Rogan wants to follow Elon Musk to Texas: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-moving-california-texas-elon-musk-coronavirus-lockdown-1504320

Right now there's a cultural shift -- more folks are doing their shopping and working online - to the point that small businesses are going bankrupt. Amazon and Walmart are exploding, but smaller locally owned businesses suffer. And this shift will continue for a while. There are permanent consequences that will come out of this - some good, some bad.Y'now Rock, in regards to all the online shopping stuff...sure, it's mighty convenient and it's likely going to increase, but people still love leaving the house and going shopping.

A few months before the Covid thing I was driving home early one afternoon after working a short day and was a bit astonished by the amount of traffic...not just on the roads but parking lots packed with cars and people all over the place with bags full of stuff. Money, money, money flying around all over the place. As you know, I paint houses for a living and most of the women (if they don't work a job) are in and out of the house every day bringing home yet more bags of stuff.

Strip malls are here to stay...there's just too many things people need that you simply can't get or do online along with people getting really bored just hangin' around the house.

Yeah, some good, some bad...but like I said a while back, this event may turn out to be a turn in a good direction, overall. I think most of the businesses that hit the skids were likely on life support anyway, and if it's worth anything somebody will buy it and get it going again. "Under new management"...like a cleansing.

Who knows? A year from now I think the lay of the land will be clear to see.

[savanna3313]

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[Sombeech]

Maybe we can go ahead and wrap up this coronavirus thread now that the riots have cured it.

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[blueeyes]

Maybe we can go ahead and wrap up this coronavirus thread now that the riots have cured it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200531/89d9a94a82a35c69f56e201d4b150171.jpg

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkDon't get too excited....if this virus is so deadly we might need to combine threads.

How the virus cleaned up the protestors....i am sure you can come up with a better thread name.

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[Sombeech]

if this virus is so deadly we might need to combine threads.


Fortunately, it's not. LOL

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[Byron]

The new pollution. These damn things are laying on the ground all over the place.

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[BasinCruiser]

CCP virus researching getting desperate to stay relevant. They know the only way anyone will post attention to them in the middle of this racepocolypse is to have talk about s link to sex.


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https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/couples-should-wear-masks-having-22123980

[rockgremlin]

CCP virus researching getting desperate to stay relevant. They know the only way anyone will post attention to them in the middle of this racepocolypse is to have talk about s link to sex.


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https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/couples-should-wear-masks-having-22123980

Lol. Ain't gonna happen.

This has to be a joke. And if it isn't a joke, it's going to cause even more people to tune out to anything Covid related as it's starting to appear desperate now.

[Iceaxe]

Truth....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200603/3f4d8132700b8091f9b0036c6f7d342d.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

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Better yet --- Blame Trump.

[BasinCruiser]

Better yet --- Blame Trump.


Same thing. But, blaming Trump is too centralized and precise. By labeling Trump as a racist, and therefore his followers as racist, blasting anything on racism by deduction and inference blames his followers, which in turn blames Trump.

[accadacca]

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[devo_stevo]

HAHA. That's awesome.

[Iceaxe]

[emoji3544] EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY NEEDS TO READ THIS AND ABSORB IT ... THOSE STILL ASLEEP, YOU BETTER WAKE UP BECAUSE THIS SHAM/DRESS REHEARSAL WILL CERTAINLY BE THE LAST CHANCE; THOSE CHOOSING TO REMAIN IN DENIAL, GIVING THE FINGER TO REALITY, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN ...

[emoji832]"CDC admitted they screwed up COVID19 infection counts and intentionally misled the public and have apologized, clarifying that the amount of people truly infected is much lower than what was originally reported -- an error so egregious it made the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute say “how could the CDC make this mistake? This is a mess."

[emoji832]The American Coronavirus Task Force also admitted to fudging the National COVID19 death count when Dr. Birx said the deaths are people who died “with” COVID19 not “from” COVID19, thus making the real death count much lower than what is currently being reported.

[emoji832]Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted masks won’t help against the virus and mask manufacturers are now including warnings that their products do not deter COVID19.

[emoji832]Fauci also said that continuing to close the country could cause irreparable damage.

[emoji832]CDC backtracked their initial claim that led governors to shutdown their states & clarified that COVID19 does not spread easily on surfaces.

[emoji832]Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo confirmed a recent health study showing that 70% of new infections actually originate at home, thus making stay at home orders one of the most dangerous mandates currently in place.

[emoji832]Trump stopped funding the WHO and threatened to cut off money permanently until they can prove they are no longer corruptly influenced by communist China after they lied to our country about human to human transmission of COVID19 in January.

[emoji832]The curve is flattened, the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, our governors, and many more were completely wrong about the potential threat of this virus.

[emoji832]Even California is opening up sooner than anyone expected because the evidence contradicts the long standing and inaccurate narrative still upheld by the extremely dishonest & corrupt media.

[emoji832]If you are still living in fear, Don’t be. The media, global organizations, the government, and its agencies “mislead” the public.

[emoji832]People called those of us who knew this all along conspiracy theorists, but it turns out we were just following the facts!

[emoji832]Open up your businesses, churches, and homes. Don’t fall for the lies any longer. If you fell for the lies this time, wake up and join the army of truth seekers fighting on the front lines.

[emoji3544] The #CDC just confirmed a 0.2% death-rate for #COVID19 ...

For that, we have:
• Added nearly 6 trillion to national debt
• Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
• Placed 60 million on food stamps
• Gone from 3.5%to 14.7% unemployment
• Crippled the petroleum industry
• Ruined the tourism industry
• Bankrupted the service industry
• Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
• Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
• Exacerbated mental health problems
• Shut down schools and colleges
• Given unbridled power to unelected officials
• Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
• Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses
• Infringed upon countless important civil liberties
• Placed 300 million Americans on house arrest

These consequences are largely due to two things:
• The first is our view of government as a god that can control Providence and plagues. In our hubris, we increasingly view the government as a deity who can stop acts of nature.

• The second is our sniveling, 21st-century commitment to safety. Our desire to be “safe” ruined our fiscal, physical, medical, food, energy, and national security.

[emoji3544] Unfortunately there is no vaccine for cultural fragility."

Written by JD Hall / Courtesy of Tara Thralls

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[emoji3544]

• The second is our sniveling, 21st-century commitment to safety. Our desire to be “safe” ruined our fiscal, physical, medical, food, energy, and national security.

[emoji3544] Unfortunately there is no vaccine for cultural fragility."

Written by JD Hall / Courtesy of Tara Thralls


This right here sums up my viewpoint of the whole thing. The more this plays out, the more the truth comes out, the more I think this thread and the BLM thread more appropriately belongs in the Pussification of America thread. No?

[Iceaxe]

Hard times breed hard men... and soft times breeds soft men.

[BasinCruiser]

Beat em at their own game. Nice. :bootyshake:


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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/7/ace-speedway-declares-race-protest-skirt-coronavir/?utm_source=ForAmerica

[BasinCruiser]

Hunstman Jr tests positive.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46763306/jon-huntsman-jr-tests-positive-for-covid-19

[Sombeech]

Hunstman Jr tests positive.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46763306/jon-huntsman-jr-tests-positive-for-covid-19

So he's pretty much dead

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[dougrz]

Hard times breed hard men... and soft times breeds soft men.Good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, hard times make good men.

[Iceaxe]

...
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[jman]

20 mins long, but very entertaining. :roflol:

https://youtu.be/DLH2BdenN0U

[BasinCruiser]

Utah leaders are being sued over CCP Virus restrictions.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46765303/utah-leaders-are-being-sued-over-covid-19-restrictions-do-the-plaintiffs-have-a-case (https://www.ksl.com/article/46765303/utah-leaders-are-being-sued-over-covid-19-restrictions-do-the-plaintiffs-have-a-case)

"The suit centers around the state code (https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53/Chapter2A/53-2a-P2.html) regarding disasters and its wording. Jensen argues that the code specifically states there has to be an emergency that overwhelms local resources before a state emergency can happen. There was no local state of emergency before Herbert issued the order on March 6, which was a week before Herbert went on to order the "soft closure" of public schools (https://www.ksl.com/article/46729951/utah-public-schools-enact-soft-closure-for-2-weeks-amid-covid-19-outbreak), signaling the beginning of pandemic-related closures across the state (https://kslnewsradio.com/1921169/closed-utah-covid-19/?)."The State cannot make a pre-emptive State of Emergency, it must follow the statute, and there must be a local call for assistance based upon the rules regarding the same, in order for the Governor to declare a state of emergency in order to utilize state funding for the local emergency," the lawsuit states.
"Because the underlying conditions for declaring a state of emergency did not exist under the statute, the Governor’s actions were illegal and the justification for subsequent executive orders were similarly unsupported by the law," it goes on to say, adding "any rules or regulations that were passed without proper notice are void ab initio and are not enforceable."

[Byron]

20 mins long, but very entertaining. :roflol:

https://youtu.be/DLH2BdenN0UI wear a "mask" into bigger stores simply because I don't want to have a confrontation with some hypersensitive sissy. The best way to avoid trouble...is to avoid trouble. I learned that a long time ago.

But I have a habit of poking the bear...I'll go along with the program, with modifications. Right now, my "mask" is and American Flag bandana. Later today I have to run errands...I just called the Army Navy Surplus store here in Denver and asked if they have any Confederate flag bandanas and they said no...they sold out and don't even know if they'll be able to get anymore. So now I'm on the hunt for that bandana.

[jman]

I wear a "mask" into bigger stores simply because I don't want to have a confrontation with some hypersensitive sissy. The best way to avoid trouble...is to avoid trouble. I learned that a long time ago.

But I have a habit of poking the bear...I'll go along with the program, with modifications. Right now, my "mask" is and American Flag bandana. Later today I have to run errands...I just called the Army Navy Surplus store here in Denver and asked if they have any Confederate flag bandanas and they said no...they sold out and don't even know if they'll be able to get anymore. So now I'm on the hunt for that bandana.

Thats a great point about avoiding trouble. [emoji106]


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[Iceaxe]

Thats a great point about avoiding trouble. [emoji106]

Yeah, I'm not that smart... I don't have a mask, and I often wear a red MAGA hat.

[BasinCruiser]

I wear a "mask" into bigger stores simply because I don't want to have a confrontation with some hypersensitive sissy. The best way to avoid trouble...is to avoid trouble. I learned that a long time ago.

But I have a habit of poking the bear...I'll go along with the program, with modifications. Right now, my "mask" is and American Flag bandana. Later today I have to run errands...I just called the Army Navy Surplus store here in Denver and asked if they have any Confederate flag bandanas and they said no...they sold out and don't even know if they'll be able to get anymore. So now I'm on the hunt for that bandana.


So, you aviod trouble by....poking the bear. :lol8:

[Byron]

Thats a great point about avoiding trouble. [emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?

[blueeyes]

Yep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?Definitely wear both at the same time it completes the fashion statement.

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[rockgremlin]

Yep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?


I would suggest really screwing with people and wearing an official face mask (not a bandana), but then also wear a MAGA hat. That way you piss everyone off. :lol8:

[Byron]

Definitely wear both at the same time it completes the fashion statement.

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkI gotta give you credit...it's always a woman that comes up with perfection in one sentence. Bam, done.

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[BasinCruiser]

I gotta give you credit...it's always a woman that comes up with perfection in one sentence. Bam, done.


I think you should round out the ensemble with this:

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[accadacca]

SALT LAKE CITY — After Utah again broke its highest single-day increase in COVID-19 cases on Friday — then again on Saturday — state epidemiologist Dr. Angela Dunn warned another shutdown might be necessary to control the outbreak.

“We are quickly getting to a point where the only viable option to manage spread and deaths will be a complete shutdown,” the memo stated. “This might be our last chance for course correction. Contact tracing and testing alone will not control this outbreak.”

https://www.ksl.com/article/46768018/utah-epidemiologist-warns-state-is-in-covid-19-acceleration-phase-shutdown-could-be-only-viable-option-to-stop-the-spread

[rockgremlin]

I thought the recent narrative has been that we would not return to a complete shutdown, and that everyone should exercise increased personal safety -- hand washing, masks, etc.?

I've heard several different sources claim that even if cases should spike again that we cannot afford another complete shutdown.

[Iceaxe]

Accaddaca needs to stop swallowing the bullshit always being fed to the sheep by MSM and understand the numbers....

The death rate is not climbing, which is a major indicator of what is really happening. The reason the number of positive tests is increasing is we are testing exponentially more people now then we were 4 weeks ago. 4 weeks ago if you were young and sick they would just tell you stay home and isolate, call back if it gets worse, because there were not enough test to go around and they were being saved for the "at risk" group. Now anyone can get a test, even if you are not symptomatic.

I'll also guarantee you we're not shutting down again... that was a HUGE national and economic train wreck, not to mentions countries that didn't shut down didn't fare any worse. Another shutdown is just the current liberal wet dream.

[Scott Card]

SALT LAKE CITY — After Utah again broke its highest single-day increase in COVID-19 cases on Friday — then again on Saturday — state epidemiologist Dr. Angela Dunn warned another shutdown might be necessary to control the outbreak.

“We are quickly getting to a point where the only viable option to manage spread and deaths will be a complete shutdown,” the memo stated. “This might be our last chance for course correction. Contact tracing and testing alone will not control this outbreak.”

https://www.ksl.com/article/46768018/utah-epidemiologist-warns-state-is-in-covid-19-acceleration-phase-shutdown-could-be-only-viable-option-to-stop-the-spread

I think to be totally accurate, the "shut down" would be to go to "orange". This probably should have been added to your quote above:

"In addition to returning to the orange phase, Dunn recommended making face masks mandatory. She noted these suggestions factor in ways the economy can remain open while still decreasing cases." (Underlining added)

[Scott Card]

The reason the number of positive tests is increasing is we are testing exponentially more people now then we were 4 weeks ago..

That is not what the article said. This is what Dr. Dunn said:

"Testing in the state has plateaued, “indicating that increase in cases is NOT due to increase in testing,” the memo emphasizes."

[accadacca]

The increase is because we are open.

[Iceaxe]

Two ways to overcome this virus....

A vaccine, which ain't going to happen for a long time if ever, we have only been working on one for 20 years (SARS).

Or herd immunity, which requires 70% of the population to get the virus...

I've never seen spread of the virus as a bad thing, so long as it's slow and doesn't overwhelm our healthcare system.

FWIW - Herd immunity is what finally stopped the 1918 pandemic.

YMMV

[BasinCruiser]

And there you have it. Leave it up to the Dems fav playtoy dimwit to let slip what we’ve all known all along.


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[Sombeech]

Look at the CDC website, which again is NOT being mentioned at this time, I'd think the pandemic is just about over.

Remember, a small, just a teeny weeny fact, the numbers have ALWAYS been Covid OR flu OR pnuemonia. These numbers we've been hearing have NEVER been just about Covid. Just a small point of interest.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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[blueeyes]

I don't think this is over just yet. I do think we will see an increase in the fall when schools hopefully get back to normal.

And the current increase is because we are opening back up. This is to be expected. It isn't because we are testing more.

And the death count increase lags behind the increased cases by about 2 weeks. Also they have a better handle on treating patients with COVID then they did back in March. Especially with the convalescent plasma that contains antibodies.

Shutting down businesses again is the worst idea.

Good luck on enforcing people to wear masks. I think if people quit pushing it so much and just let it be...more people probably would wear a mask. If they don't who the **** cares. If you are worried wear one. But more importantly wash your hands. Go wash them again.

And just because a box says it will not protect you from the virus doesn't mean it won't help. If you want to do a little experiment with me come on up to Weber. I will have you cough unmasked onto a petri dish. Then I will have you put a mask on and cough. We can incubate the plates for 24 hours and take a look.

If this society wasn't so litigious then statements like that wouldn't have to put on packaging. But i can honestly see some money hungry jerk go after a mask making company after they get sick with COVID saying they wore a mask everyday and it gave them false protection.

Again personally if you are healthy I don't think you need a mask unless you are next to some nuckle head that keeps hacking their head off. Or you yourself are coughing. But like a good person I will wear one at work and other places as requested or if I am coughing. Or am around someone who is vulnerable.

Justin you are still out there with conspiracy theories but that is okay.

Anytime I see shit that says I took a screen shot before it was taken down makes me think....ALL of it is bullshit. Anyone can make it look like someone said something they regret posting on the web. Not saying it didn't happen. But it sure smells of BS. But then all of politics smells that way. Especially our current POTUS.

Hey one more reminder...go wash your hands and keep them out of your face.

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[BasinCruiser]

So, apparently, the virus only infects white people.


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https://www.dailywire.com/news/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-that-exempts-non-white-people

[jman]

I don't think this is over just yet. I do think we will see an increase in the fall when schools hopefully get back to normal.

And the current increase is because we are opening back up. This is to be expected. It isn't because we are testing more.

And the death count increase lags behind the increased cases by about 2 weeks. Also they have a better handle on treating patients with COVID then they did back in March. Especially with the convalescent plasma that contains antibodies.

Shutting down businesses again is the worst idea.

Good luck on enforcing people to wear masks. I think if people quit pushing it so much and just let it be...more people probably would wear a mask. If they don't who the **** cares. If you are worried wear one. But more importantly wash your hands. Go wash them again.

And just because a box says it will not protect you from the virus doesn't mean it won't help. If you want to do a little experiment with me come on up to Weber. I will have you cough unmasked onto a petri dish. Then I will have you put a mask on and cough. We can incubate the plates for 24 hours and take a look.

If this society wasn't so litigious then statements like that wouldn't have to put on packaging. But i can honestly see some money hungry jerk go after a mask making company after they get sick with COVID saying they wore a mask everyday and it gave them false protection.

Again personally if you are healthy I don't think you need a mask unless you are next to some nuckle head that keeps hacking their head off. Or you yourself are coughing. But like a good person I will wear one at work and other places as requested or if I am coughing. Or am around someone who is vulnerable.

Justin you are still out there with conspiracy theories but that is okay.

Anytime I see shit that says I took a screen shot before it was taken down makes me think....ALL of it is bullshit. Anyone can make it look like someone said something they regret posting on the web. Not saying it didn't happen. But it sure smells of BS. But then all of politics smells that way. Especially our current POTUS.

Hey one more reminder...go wash your hands and keep them out of your face.

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The mask thing hasn’t been about protecting yourself from contracting it but rather spreading it to others. Respirators protect you against it but since the virus is tiny and goes straight through masks it hasn’t been about protecting yourself.

That’s why your example breathing on a Petridish example works well with that

When someone is infected with coronavirus and every time you exhale the virus is attached to your water droplets. And that’s why masks work in helping curbing the virus. The whole “brainwash” meme above is meh. It’s called misinformation which has been #libertarianized


Coughing/sneezing into your arm or clothes is kinda the same as wearing a mask. Same principle.

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[blueeyes]

The mask thing hasn’t been about protecting yourself from contracting it but rather spreading it to others. Respirators protect you against it but since the virus is tiny and goes straight through masks it hasn’t been about protecting yourself.

That’s why your example breathing on a Petridish example works well with that

When someone is infected with coronavirus and every time you exhale the virus is attached to your water droplets. And that’s why masks work in helping curbing the virus. The whole “brainwash” meme above is meh. It’s called misinformation which has been #libertarianized


Coughing/sneezing into your arm or clothes is kinda the same as wearing a mask. Same principle.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI know this. Why I offered to show the difference between wearing a mask and not wearing one if you cough.



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[Byron]

Yeah...chunks of snot flying around in the air is a bad thing, no doubt. Especially if it's infected with an invisible little monster...a virus that can apparently sail right thru your weak little "mask"...but is stopped dead in it's tracks by the mask of the infected. OK, got it.

What's this...page 243 and we're still arguing that? Should be wearing googles, too. Snot in the eyeball is pretty gnarly, ya know.

[jman]

I know this. Why I offered to show the difference between wearing a mask and not wearing one if you cough.



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gotcha. I just re-read your post (compare to skimming it) and you made that clear. My apologies.


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[blueeyes]

Yeah...chunks of snot flying around in the air is a bad thing, no doubt. Especially if it's infected with an invisible little monster...a virus that can apparently sail right thru your weak little "mask"...but is stopped dead in it's tracks by the mask of the infected. OK, got it.

What's this...page 243 and we're still arguing that? Should be wearing googles, too. Snot in the eyeball is pretty gnarly, ya know.

Lol omg you crack me up.


Snot if you sneeze...water droplets if you cough. And no it is not stopped dead in its tracks. But inhibited considerably.

And I am sure we will keep debating this for another 243 pages because that is how it works around here.

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[rockgremlin]

Good discussion about masks. As y'all are aware, I'm a BIG skeptic when it comes to masks (as my sig indicates). But I had a conversation with a co-worker today who made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others. If you're infected, your breath expels billions, maybe trillions of Covid particles suspended in droplets. A mask won't catch them all, but it will stop about 75 - 80% of all infected particles, which is significant.

I couldn't refute that.

[Byron]

Anything that spews from some other person's mouth is snot as far as I'm concerned. Nasty...especially if infected with cooties.

It dawned on me when I was 10 years old not to eat the birthday cake anymore...unless it was mine, of course.

[Byron]

made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others.

I couldn't refute that.I sure as hell can...why do these others get special treatment?

I reread that sentence three times and I'm like...WTF?

[blueeyes]

Anything that spews from some other person's mouth is snot as far as I'm concerned. Nasty...especially if infected with cooties.

It dawned on me when I was 10 years old not to eat the birthday cake anymore...unless it was mine, of course.Easy target for getting all the good food from you.

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[blueeyes]

I sure as hell can...why do these others get special treatment?

I reread that sentence three times and I'm like...WTF?I am reading your statement thinking WTF?

More clarification please.

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[Byron]

I am reading your statement thinking WTF?

More clarification please.

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[blueeyes]

I did read his statement. I understand what he is saying.

I don't understand what you are getting at. But that is okay.

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[Byron]

Never mind...might be a little too close to Dennis Miller territory with that one.

[Sombeech]

Look at the CDC website, which again is NOT being mentioned at this time, I'd think the pandemic is just about over.

Remember, a small, just a teeny weeny fact, the numbers have ALWAYS been Covid OR flu OR pneumonia. These numbers we've been hearing have NEVER been just about Covid. Just a small point of interest.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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No conspiracy here, just straight from CDC. It's Covid or Flu or Pneumonia.

They do not have a chart for only Covid deaths, unless I'm missing it.

[blueeyes]

No conspiracy here, just straight from CDC. It's Covid or Flu or Pneumonia.

They do not have a chart for only Covid deaths, unless I'm missing it.Select the measure.

You can separate the numbers by COVID-19 or by Total deaths which add flu and pneumonia with COVID-19

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200624/a1b7f98cae0b5e4191a1d98466147ca8.jpg

Just the COVID numbers

Here is where you select the measure

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200624/c743333356cf40be00fa0735f8fb6d9b.jpg

Numbers with all three COVID-19, Flu, and pneumonia

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200624/ad54fd224e8a0210b71d8cfb0e2d7ba1.jpg

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[stefan]

Good discussion about masks. As y'all are aware, I'm a BIG skeptic when it comes to masks (as my sig indicates). But I had a conversation with a co-worker today who made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others. If you're infected, your breath expels billions, maybe trillions of Covid particles suspended in droplets. A mask won't catch them all, but it will stop about 75 - 80% of all infected particles, which is significant.

I couldn't refute that.

i mentioned this multiple times before including asking you a question that you never responded to.



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^^^THIS^^^


I'd say about 99.8% of all masks worn by the general public are not going to do anything because they're either worn wrong, or recycled one too many times, or the fabric is too porous. Or all three.



just to understand, you don't believe that a face mask can reduce the spreading of respiratory droplets into the air from a person who has the virus (maybe unknowingly) which is a main way the coronavirus is transmitted?

[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

i mentioned this multiple times before including asking you a question that you never responded to.


I think this will go down as another example of the inefficiency of communicating via messages on the internet versus speaking face to face.

I know you had mentioned the droplet issue, but I didn't find that very compelling because my previous line of reasoning was this: OK, so the virus laden droplet lands on your mask, and then what? It dies? No -- what happens next is you suck it down your throat on your next series of breaths. So what's the point?

But my co-worker conceded that masks were never designed to be 100% effective -- they were only meant to cut down on the number of virus droplets that one respires into the air. And study after study has shown that they do reduce the virus load that infected folks release. Fair enough. I'm willing to accept that.

Does this mean I have to change my sig now?

[BasinCruiser]

Rock on, Red Rocker. :rockon::rockit:


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https://www.dailywire.com/news/sammy-hagar-willing-to-personally-get-sick-and-even-die-playing-shows-to-save-economy


“We have to save the world and this country from this economic thing that’s going to kill more people in the long run,” he explained. “I would rather see everyone go back to work.”

“If some of us have to sacrifice on that, OK,” he added. “I will die for my children and my grandchildren to have a life anywhere close to the life that I had in this wonderful country. That’s just the way that I feel about it. I’m not going to go around spreading the disease. But there may be a time where we have to sacrifice. I mean, how many people die on the Earth every day? I have no idea.”


Sammy, Nuge - is it just me, or do the level headed down to earth artists also make the greatest music?

[rockgremlin]

Maybe I want to get Coronavirus too...

I just spoke with a buddy of mine from Cedar City. Apparently he got Covid back in March - it took him down for about 4 days. He donates plasma sometimes, and he's telling me that if you produce paperwork documenting that you have Covid antibodies that they'll pay you $100 per donation. Considering you can donate twice a week, that works out to $800/month! :eek2:

[stefan]

I think this will go down as another example of the inefficiency of communicating via messages on the internet versus speaking face to face.

you didn't reply to my question




I know you had mentioned the droplet issue, but I didn't find that very compelling


i indicated it's a main way covid is spread. (so if you reduce the spread of this you could reduce the likelihood of transmission.) i also mentioned in a later post the droplet vs virus size and that there is evidence that masks have been shown to reduce the spread of microorganisms from the nose and mouth (this can occur by various means including respiratory droplets). and mentioned that people are contagious before symptoms show and that some are asymptomatic. masks may help with these plus those with mild symptoms who may not know





because my previous line of reasoning was this: OK, so the virus laden droplet lands on your mask, and then what? It dies?


it depends on many factors. you need to take in a certain amount of virus in a certain period of time which can happen a lot of ways, can vary across people and circumstances. virus transmission is a complicated process which is not completely determinable in all cases since we have incomplete information and is also not fully understood. goal is to reduce the likelihood of transmission through known ways.

if your mask catches a large droplet with enough virus to infect you (and you're not already infected) then it might reduce the chance that you get infected compared with no mask (but doesn't mean it can't happen and hand hygiene would also be important).

on the other hand it's possible that if you're in a confined room/space with dense enough virus laden aerosols formed of smaller respiratory droplets that are suspended/moving in the air (rather drop to the ground) they could evade your mask; and if you breathed in enough over enough time you might get infected.

i also replied that cloth masks can be washed (which will kill/eliminate virus) so they can be reused.




But my co-worker conceded that masks were never designed to be 100% effective -- they were only meant to cut down on the number of virus droplets that one respires into the air.


this is why i used the word "reduce" in my question rather than "eliminate." i'm not sure why you would assume anything like this would be 100% effective or behave in the same way under all conditions/activities ... or that, if it's not 100% effective, it's necessarily worthless. (and how well it performs depends on the materials/constrsuction used.) also i would say it's primarily (not just only) to reduce the spread from infected people but also secondarily and to much lesser degree it might add some partially effective protection for the uninfected in limited cases.

the original recommendation against masks was to preserve the limited supply of manufactured masks for those who needed them most (medical professionals, essential workers, etc) so they wouldn't be ransacked. (in many places in asia they have been wearing masks from the beginning)

[stefan]

A vaccine, which ain't going to happen for a long time if ever, we have only been working on one for 20 years (SARS).




SARS appeared in 2002 and disappeared in 2004 without any known transmission since. candidate vaccines exist. and they require human studies. are you suggesting we should have invested more in these and further studies to try obtain a SARS vaccine?

while a vaccine is not guaranteed, i think you're comparing apples to oranges here.

[rockgremlin]

you didn't reply to my question......


stefan --

I removed my sig claiming masks don't do anything, what do you want from me? :ne_nau:

Joking aside, you should know me well enough to know that I have a cavalier attitude about many things. But unlike most folks, I can be persuaded to listen to reason. I acknowledge all of your points and admit that I was probably being more dismissive than I should have been. Do I believe that masks can reduce the number of virus laden droplets that are transmitted from an infected person? Yes, I would say that's probably a reasonable claim.

[Sombeech]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/23/21-million-nyc-field-hospital-closes-after-never-seeing-a-single-patient/

NY $21 MIL hospital shut down after not seeing a single covid patient, and yet Cuomo along with 4 other Democratic governors pushed COVID19 positive elderly back into nursing homes, infecting and killing others there.

Why?



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[Byron]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/23/21-million-nyc-field-hospital-closes-after-never-seeing-a-single-patient/

NY $21 MIL hospital shut down after not seeing a single covid patient, and yet Cuomo along with 4 other Democratic governors pushed COVID19 positive elderly back into nursing homes, infecting and killing others there.

Why?



Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkI reckon you've got a theory that goes beyond the fact that they're incompetent, foolish, lying, retard backstabbers?

[blueeyes]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/23/21-million-nyc-field-hospital-closes-after-never-seeing-a-single-patient/

NY $21 MIL hospital shut down after not seeing a single covid patient, and yet Cuomo along with 4 other Democratic governors pushed COVID19 positive elderly back into nursing homes, infecting and killing others there.

Why?



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Justin I read that article twice..where does it say COVID positive elderly were pushed back into nursing homes??



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[Sombeech]

Justin I read that article twice..where does it say COVID positive elderly were pushed back into nursing homes??



Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkYou must know about this by now, right? Cuomo has already been on a dozen interviews, being asked about his decision to do this.

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[blueeyes]

You must know about this by now, right? Cuomo has already been on a dozen interviews, being asked about his decision to do this.

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkNo honestly the last couple weeks I have checked out gone off grid. It has been incredibly nice not to sit and watch news all day.

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[Iceaxe]

Readers Digest condensed version... NY forced elderly care centers to accept everyone, including those who tested positive for Covid-19.

It was the dumbest and most ridiculous edict I ever heard... but it's a fact.... and is one of the main reasons NY was leading the nation in deaths.

[Sombeech]

No honestly the last couple weeks I have checked out gone off grid. It has been incredibly nice not to sit and watch news all day.

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkTo be fair, I wish i was right along with you and hearing less about this stuff, so good on you.

There is a major case arising about this, specifically 5 states that did this and it was a huge percentage of the overall deaths.

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[blueeyes]

Readers Digest condensed version... NY forced elderly care centers to accept everyone, including those who tested positive for Covid-19.

It was the dumbest and most ridiculous edict I ever heard... but it's a fact.... and is one of the main reasons NY was leading the nation in deaths.Wow...do you guys have links to articles. I would like to read up.
Sombeech

I highly recommend unplugging. I wasn't stressed by this situation but seriously frustrated with stupidity.

Even today go through a drive thru and he has gloves on, then passes a plastic food box out for me to drop my money into. Pulls the box in grabs money out. Gave him a 10, the cost was 4.40. He freaks out because he typed in 20. Oh no he doesn't know how much change to give me. [emoji857]

I chuckle softly to myself and say 5.60. He glances at the screen. And decides he agrees with me. Counts it out. Puts the money in the plastic box and extends the box towards me. I grab my money. Now my food goes in the bag into the box with my drink and he extends the box to me. All the time with his gloved hands. And he says thanks for helping with the change.

You are most welcome. I drive off shaking my head.

There is a part of me that wants to go off grid permanently. But let's be honest I would probably end up being the next McCandless. [emoji1787] So I will stick to my weekend warrior routine and patiently deal with excessive fear and stupidity.

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[Iceaxe]

Wow...do you guys have links to articles. I would like to read


Here... let me Google that for you... "ny elderly covid deaths"

[blueeyes]

Here... let me Google that for you... "ny elderly covid deaths"Nope I wanted the articles you guys read plus I am busy. Haha

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[Byron]

There is a part of me that wants to go off grid permanently.
You and probably at least 50 million others...including myself.

Crazy stuff...it's like watching a really low budget carnival go off the rails. This will keep going in overdrive until November...and then I think the whirling dervish aspect of this will die down.

We can't keep up this pace...somethin's gonna snap. The "news" as it is sure has a lot of people f*cked up...I think the next 3 years is going to determine the trajectory of our country.

Might be a good idea to start looking at land out in the boonies...just in case.

[Byron]

Nope I wanted the articles you guys read plus I am busy. Haha

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[blueeyes]

You and probably at least 50 million others...including myself.

Crazy stuff...it's like watching a really low budget carnival go off the rails. This will keep going in overdrive until November...and then I think the whirling dervish aspect of this will die down.

We can't keep up this pace...somethin's gonna snap. The "news" as it is sure has a lot of people f*cked up...I think the next 3 years is going to determine the trajectory of our country.

Might be a good idea to start looking at land out in the boonies...just in case.Got it.

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[Iceaxe]

Legendary...
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[Iceaxe]

Nearly half of all coronavirus deaths in US occurred inside nursing homes.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/almost-half-of-all-deaths-in-us-occurred-in-nursing-homes-report

[rockgremlin]

I have been a long standing contributor to Hillsdale College for the last 20 years or so. They send out a very well written pamphlet (Imprimis) almost monthly.

Recently Hillsdale released a free symposium with guest speakers. Some very interesting commentary here if you have the time to watch.



https://symposium.hillsdale.edu/

[BasinCruiser]

Nearly half of all coronavirus deaths in US occurred inside nursing homes.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/almost-half-of-all-deaths-in-us-occurred-in-nursing-homes-report


And the majority of those are in Dem states where the governors directed known infected persons to be sent to nursing homes. Why? Becuase then their expenses would be paid with federal $s as opposed to state $s. The funny (and when I say funny, I mean incredibly sad) is that socialists love to look at this entire pandemic fiasco as evidence that private free market healthcare is broken, and should be replaced with government ran medicare for all. SMH.

These governors are the ones to blame for these deaths due to the decisions they made the directly caused them, as opposed to the LSM narrative that loves to blame Trump for them.

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

Well look at that. TRacers installed on iphone. Bet they’re on yours too.

95001

[devo_stevo]

Well look at that. TRacers installed on iphone. Bet they’re on yours too.

95001
They've been on Android phones for a while now too. I'm curious, did you update to the latest iOS? I don't have that on my phone. At least not where I can find it anywhere. I've looked in settings>privacy>health where it's supposed to be and it isn't. Just wondering if it's something that they slipped in with the latest update.

[BasinCruiser]

They've been on Android phones for a while now too. I'm curious, did you update to the latest iOS? I don't have that on my phone. At least not where I can find it anywhere. I've looked in settings>privacy>health where it's supposed to be and it isn't. Just wondering if it's something that they slipped in with the latest update.

I know there was an update in the last couple of weeks. I saw someone mention it in a video today, and I just looked and saw it there - not sure when it was installed. The conspiracy theory is that cell outage/glitches they had a couple of weeks ago had something to do with the isntallation of these tracers. https://www.the-sun.com/news/987168/...gn=sharebarweb (https://www.the-sun.com/news/987168/ddos-attack-t-mobile-outage-facebook-instagram-us/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb)

[Sombeech]

yep I found it on my Android too. I think it works via bluetooth, and it's meant to record contact between other users that pass by each other, potentially passing the virus. If the phones can connect via bluetooth to each other with this, they will say it's a potential pass of the virus from person to person.

But if you think that's all it is installed for, good luck.

[blueeyes]

Supposedly the one on the android only works if you turn on your Bluetooth. I only use mine when listening to music.

Generally I don't buy into conspiracy theories. But one I do believe in is your phone tracks everything you do and say. My phone knows more about me than I know about me.

I suppose it is useful for the paranoid types that would want to know if they have been exposed. Easier for contact tacers.

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[jman]

LOL - some of you have been peering into the conspiracy hole for far to long.

Since some of you libertarians are using iPhones (#freedom), yes, the iOS update 13.5 released on May 20th (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_13), provided the API for contact tracing apps.

The iOS updates are either updated automatically or manually but the end user decides that (#freedom), and the post iOS 13.5 setup screens gives the user (#freedom) the option to enable or disable the contact tracing functionality.

But, don't let my screenshots ruin the conspiracy!


Feel free to read more here on the "Exposure Notification API": https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/20/ios-13-5-released-features-exposure/

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Sorry, for the huge screenshots - I thought they would be resized. Whoops!

[BasinCruiser]

^^^ Thanks for noticing.

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[blueeyes]

^^^ Thanks for noticing.

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[Sombeech]

Don't worry about big tech, they are only here to help

[Sombeech]

Camera off, mask off.

Fauci

https://twitter.com/CHIZMAGA/status/1278029614070153217?s=19

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[rockgremlin]

^^^Hypocrisy: It doesn't just describe the left, it defines the left.

[accadacca]

We tied the record of cases today in Utah at 646. Come on people, can’t we get to 700!

[BasinCruiser]

Effectiveness of our higher education system at it’s finest.

95029

https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514

[Byron]

Everybody is done with the friggin' virus. That is all.

Sure you got some holdouts...but they're getting shoved to the back. Even with their compassionate liberal pundits trying to shame those that won't "comply".

Sorry, we did the shame thing two months ago.

[accadacca]

We tied the record of cases today in Utah at 646. Come on people, can’t we get to 700!

New single-day record of 722 and 7 deaths in Utah.

I guess Arizona had 2,400 in a day, so we suck.

[dougrz]

New single-day record of 722 and 7 deaths in Utah.

I guess Arizona had 2,400 in a day, so we suck.The numbers are being fabricated to a degree. Cases are being counted falsely, and deaths are being assigned when Wuhan is present but not the cause. Some models predict 10x the number of infections actually out there. Given that, the massive number of tests being administered will continue to show more infections.

The case in Ohio where a traffic accident fatality was counted because the kid was infected says it all.

[accadacca]

Florida sets one-day national record for new cases

Another 15,299 Floridians tested positive Saturday, for a total of 269,811 cases.*California set*the previous record of 11,694, four days ago. New York had 11,571 on April 15.

Also Sunday, the re-emergence of pro sports in America stumbled out of the gate when a Major League Soccer game between DC United and Toronto FC was postponed minutes before kickoff because of*two possibly positive coronavirus test results. Professional football, baseball, hockey and basketball are all in training with games set to begin in coming weeks.

Trump made headlines Saturday by wearing a mask in public for the first time during the coronavirus pandemic, a move that comes days after Texas' Republican governor said masks were the state's only hope at avoiding another shutdown as COVID-19 cases rise sharply there.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/12/trump-wears-mask-us-deaths-rise/3287293001/

[rockgremlin]

^^^I believe Trump wore a mask because he was visiting a veterans hospital.

[accadacca]

Can we trust Florida to count anything... [emoji40][emoji23]

[Sombeech]

^^^I believe Trump wore a mask because he was visiting a veterans hospital.Dems will now say masks are stupid

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[Sombeech]

Deadly

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[accadacca]

Who wants to try it?

The first coronavirus vaccine tested in the U.S. revved up people’s immune systems just the way scientists had hoped, researchers say. Now it enters its most important step: A 30,000-person study to determine if the shots work as planned in the real world.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-covid-19-vaccine-tests-20200714-zxn4u4q2tbfepczu5salzwerei-story.html

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

How can we believe any numbers coming out these days. Between fake news media and government agencies “accidentally “ reporting false data...


95065

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/15/high-coronavirus-positive-case-rate-reveals-flaws-in-florida-department-of-health-report/

[BasinCruiser]

95087

[BasinCruiser]

“Trust the data. Trust the science. Trust the experts”

95091

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/florida-man-dies-in-a-motorcycle-crash-and-his-death-was-listed-as-a-covid-19-death

[Scott Card]

95087 :roll: Seriously, we are comparing domestic violence, beating your spouse half to death to what is going on in America? Really? Even the most restrictive liberal cities are nothing like what happens in a domestic abuse situation. Calling you and Iceaxe out on this one. :nono:

[BasinCruiser]

:roll: Seriously, we are comparing domestic violence, beating your spouse half to death to what is going on in America? Really? Even the most restrictive liberal cities are nothing like what happens in a domestic abuse situation. Calling you and Iceaxe out on this one. :nono:


From a legal standpoint, are any of those actions listed considered domestic abuse, and punishable by law? Yes, picture dies add more to it with the implication of domestic abuse, but???

Put another way, is there anything there that can be legally classified as physical abuse? Enforcement on the spouse and how they make their spouse do those things may be in question.

But, seems to me like you requesting that to domestic abuse, all of that being the opposite end of the spectrum from freedom, don’t that support the memes stance and point of view and perspective, than what you’re saying?

[Scott Card]

"Forced" is but one of the operative words in this ridiculous photo and caption.

Imagine there is a police incident, an active shooter, and you were "forced" to stay behind the police tape. Your friends and family and office were inside the area taped off. You were told not to leave the area and go inside the danger zone. If you see the shooter, they tell you to duck and cover. Imagine the police threatened that if you crossed the police line they would arrest you for interfering with an arrest and failing to obey a police order. Would you call this abusive???? Come on. These extreme examples are too much. Not all government action is bad. All domestic violence and abuse, IS bad.

[blueeyes]

I agree with Scott on this. Comparing wearing a mask to domestic abuse is ludicrous. You are not mentally scared by having to put a mask on and if you are...well you are mental to begin with.

Edit: you are not physically scared either.

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[Iceaxe]

Baa Baa... if you want to follow all the other sheep go for it. I won't interfere...

...but please extend me the same courtesy to run my own life as I see for. It get that Covid is serious, it's just not serious enough to me to give up my lifestyle or live my life in fear.

[Scott Card]

It is always funny to me that when one group doesn't want to follow what another group is suggesting, the "followers" are sheep, implying stupidity. It seems we are all sheep of sorts. What seems more stupid than a sheep following a shepherd is a sheep snuggling up with the wolves. I choose my shepherds very very carefully. I am not one for wolves in sheep's clothing nor am I fond of stupid shepherds.

[Iceaxe]

The world is made up of sheep, wolves and sheep dogs...

...I consider myself a sheep dog.

To defeat Covid and save our economy and our desired lifestyle some lives will have to be sacrificed... I know that little fact is hard for many to understand or except, but in the end that is what is going to have to happen. We can't save everyone and while all lives matter, all lives are not of equal value.

YMMV

[Scott Card]

......, all lives are not of equal value.

YMMV Hmmm. I think I want a new sheep dog.

[Iceaxe]

Hmmm. I think I want a new sheep dog.
So you believe an 89 year old man with diabetes and cancer is worth the same as a healthy 15 year old boy?!?

I think I see our issues and we will obviously never agree...

But just for fun I can prove white babies are worth almost twice what black babies are worth...

Cost to adopt white baby is $35k
Cost to adopt black baby is $18k

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-02-21/us-adoption-system-discriminates-against-darker-skinned-children

[Scott Card]

Oh, you are talking about just money. For a minute there I thought there was some sort of racial superiority judgment, death squad, abort babies of certain races....etc. thing going on in your head. Whew!!! You had me worried there, Ice.

Yes, I have had to tell my clients about their economic value. For example I had to tell my highly educated former dentist client that his claim to 1 million dollars for an injury that happened during a hearing aid exam was excessive because to a jury, he was not worth a million dollars in economic terms let alone the value of his injury was that that great.

[Iceaxe]

Oh, you are talking about just money.

Economic value is part of the equation, but also is value to humanity and contributions to society.... apples to apples... a dentist is worth more to mankind then a homeless drug addict.



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[Iceaxe]

LMAO....

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