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[BasinCruiser]

Finally, after 300 years, a Native American will be president.

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[rockgremlin]

Oh Lordy this is going to be a meme war of epic proportions...:lol8:

[oldno7]

was wondering if she might be on the warpath...

[oldno7]

campaign shirts already on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077SBZHV6?tag=viglink513607-ar15-20

[oldno7]

even found her announcement, this campaign is going fast, she's all fired up.

[rockgremlin]

Up for sale on Amazon:

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[Iceaxe]

Barring some major catastrophic event Warren is way to far left to win the Presidency in a general election.

If crazy uncle Joe doesn't run I'm betting the Democrats pull some unknown out of the mist to run in 2020, same as they did when they put Obama up. At this time in the 2008 election Obama was an unknown.

[Iceaxe]

I figure Spartacus will be the next one announcing a Presidential bid so I thought I'd start printing the T-shirts now so I could make a quick million... but to late.... Amazon is already flooded....

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/B1vjL6MUg1S._CLa%7C2140,2000%7C812zO4mg9hL.png%7C0 ,0,2140,2000+0.0,0.0,2140.0,2000.0.png

[rockgremlin]

For the sake of discussion, what chances does Crazy Joe have at winning in 2020?

[Iceaxe]

For the sake of discussion, what chances does Crazy Joe have at winning in 2020?

IMHO.... Crazy Joe is the Dem's best bet at the moment. If he runs, and if the Dem's elect him, I'd put his odds at 35% right now. But.... The Democratic primary is going to be a blood bath.

The Democrat party has an internal war brewing at the moment as its centrist and progressive wings vie for power. A lot depends on how that war shakes out. Trump won in 2016 because he appealed to many Democratic centrists, or what is sometimes referred to as "Blue Dog Democrats" (a Democrat who has a conservative voting record).

Trump will be hard to beat in 2020 as long as the economy remains healthy, we have low unemployment, and were not sucked into any stupid war. Trump can bang all the strippers and Russian unicorns he wants because Americans vote their pocketbooks.

Anyhoo.... that's my 2 cents at the moment. That could all change tomorrow.

[uintafly]

Barring some major catastrophic event Warren is way to far left to win the Presidency in a general election.

If crazy uncle Joe doesn't run I'm betting the Democrats pull some unknown out of the mist to run in 2020, same as they did when they put Obama up. At this time in the 2008 election Obama was an unknown.

Not just too far left, but she made a fool of herself with her DNA test. Whoever told her releasing that was a good idea was an idiot, and she was an idiot for agreeing.

Who know who it will be but I bet Beto makes a big push. He is basically the white Obama

[BasinCruiser]

I bet Beto makes a big push. He is basically the white Obama

I bet he will be the big ticket item. He speaks to the younger crowd, and his use of transition of his Irish name (Robert Francis) to a Spanish alternate (Beto) breaks the mold of the “old white guy” the DNC is trying to move from. I bet a Beto Trump showdown is a strong possibility.

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[Sombeech]

In all honesty, I don't think she really believes she can win the election. The money earned via campaign donations though, that's more than worth it. Make some major millions here and there and it's worth it to take a punch to the face with the whole world watching.

[double moo]

Dems claim to be the progressive party of today's youth... first one into the race is 69 yrs old... 71 by the time of election. Uncle Joe is also getting up there in years. I'm thinking they throw up Beto.

And I don't see Trump winning again. I'm not convinced that he has gained supporters since taking office.

[Iceaxe]

I can't think of an incumbent president that has ever lost during a growing economy... just sayin'

A Trump vs Beto debate would be fun, because you just know Trump would call him Francis... LOL....

[oldno7]

This will at least be entertaining


Fox News' Pete Hegseth asked Trump whether Warren really thinks she could make him a one-term president.
"Well, that I don't know," Trump responded. "You’d have to ask her psychiatrist."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-on-whether-warren-thinks-she-can-win-the-presidency-youd-have-to-ask-her-psychiatrist

[Iceaxe]

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Good hell can you imagine the utter chaos and ruin that would ensue if she ever made it to the white house?

God help us all.

[BasinCruiser]

Good hell can you imagine the utter chaos and ruin that would ensue if she ever made it to the white house?

God help us all.

Exactly. She is so scary into herself and dense that she thinks the presidential age limit only applies to men ( if taking literal interpretation of the constitution), and thus she would be exempt from the age clause.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-constitution/

[rockgremlin]

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-constitution/


Wow that is pretty unbelievable. She's so horrible that she actually makes Bernie look good.

Maybe that was the plan all along? :ne_nau:

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Whose got the best shot in 2020?


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Climb-Utah.com

[twotimer]

Lickenpooper.

[rockgremlin]

Whose got the best shot in 2020?


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1. Mr Biden - fairly well liked, "Uncle Joe" could make a serious run. Even though he's Democrat, he just has a likeable personality that has the ability to transcend party lines. That plus he's already got 8 years experience walking the halls of the White House.

2. Bernie -- although I think he's probably a distant #2 at this point. The dude is almost 80 freakin' years old. Plus many (if not most) conservatives consider him to be a socialist.

3. I can't see a clear cut third. The rest of the party is off the radar.

[Iceaxe]

If I were betting today my money would be on Kamala Harris.

She has only been a senator for two years so she doesn't have a voting record on sticky issues.

She is a woman from immigrant parents so she checks the lefts identity politics boxes.

She is from deep blue California which is going to swing a huge stick in the primaries this year as they have moved their primaries from June to March just for this reason

She is 54 so she is old enough to claim experience but young enough to appeal to the Instagram crowd.

In other words she is a lot like Obama and how we end up with one of histories most useless presidents.

[accadacca]

Kirsten Gillibrand formally enters 2020 race with announcement on Colbert

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kirsten-gillibrand-2020-new-york-senator-announces-shes-running-for-president-stephen-colberts-the-late-show-today-2019-01-15/

[Iceaxe]

Kirsten Gillibrand formally enters 2020 race with announcement on Colbert

So as a dedicated Trump hater is Gillibrand your champion? If not, who is?

Just curious...



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[Iceaxe]

FWIW - at this point in the 2016 Presidential election the Democrats had already anointed Hillary for all practical purposes... and... low energy Jeb Bush had a huge lead among the GOP. Trump had not even entered the picture yet and wouldn't for several more months.

[emoji631]

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

somewhere, in the final tally--beto will figure in.

the dems are tipping way left, interesting to see if the country as a whole buys in.

[accadacca]

So as a dedicated Trump hater is Gillibrand your champion? If not, who is?

Just curious...



Climb-Utah.com

I don’t hate Trump, but I do like to make fun of him. I can appreciate a good laugh from either side of the fence.

I don’t have a horse in the race. Just saw this and thought I would post it to create a conversation. I’m more of a Bogley reporter and much less of a person with a strong opinion.

[twotimer]

somewhere, in the final tally--beto will figure in.

the dems are tipping way left, interesting to see if the country as a whole buys in.I don't think so. We're doing way too good. Now if Europe hits the skids, that might be interesting. Then again, It may be a buying opportunity.

I've been trying to tell myself not to make predictions...but I don't see any of these people as a real threat. We'll see...

[BasinCruiser]

My money is going to be on Beto having a very strong showing.

One thing that would be interesting to watch is if Oprah throws her hat in the ring, or at least her or the media toys with the idea. Imagine Oprah vs Trump...

[Iceaxe]

Oprah's not going to run. Running for president and being President is really a lot of difficult hard work.

Which is something I do admire about Trump, because if I were a 72 y/o billionaire there is no way in hell I'd want to spend my last few good years dealing with all the ass hats in congress.

[emoji631]

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

Too bad Ocasio-Cortez is too young to run for President. She wants to double the size of the federal government, has no idea how to pay for it, thinks 3/4’s of the country are victims, has no command of the facts...perfect Democratic candidate for 2020.

[BasinCruiser]

Beto trying to push as far left as he can, trying to win the anti-American crowd vote....to win the POTUS job, questioning the relevancy of the constitution today.

https://www.foundingfathersdaily.com/beto-orourke-claims-constitution-no-longer-relevant/

[rockgremlin]

I also believe Beto will make a strong showing. He has a LOT of financial support, and is growing in popularity. I almost put him in at the #3 spot on my list of potential Dem candidates.

[Iceaxe]

Beto trying to push as far left as he can, trying to win the anti-American crowd vote....to win the POTUS job, questioning the relevancy of the constitution today.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190116/752c76f8b99ed241b9f69828c2513a29.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Tulsi Gabbard is the Democrats best candidate to date and could give Trump a battle, but I doubt she'll win the nomination as she is not radical left. She also made a lot of enemies in the Democratic party by backing Sanders over Hillary in 2016.

In 2020 I expect the Democrats to elect someone from the extreme left and that just won't fly with the middle in the general election.

[BruteForce]

I'm SO not looking forward to the democrats yet again weaponizing the media against the American population prior to 2020. It's bad enough, the propaganda being regurgitated of late continues to fester and eventually grow legs; case in point, this accusation that Trump was directly working for the Russians. The media has sure gotten that propaganda to grow legs!

[oldno7]

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[uintafly]

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Rand makes a good point here. I wish more GOP actually believed that and followed through.

[devo_stevo]

I wish that the GOP and the democrats both understood this and worked under that assumption.

[Iceaxe]

I'm SO not looking forward to the democrats yet again weaponizing the media against the American population prior to 2020. It's bad enough, the propaganda being regurgitated of late continues to fester and eventually grow legs; case in point, this accusation that Trump was directly working for the Russians. The media has sure gotten that propaganda to grow legs!

It's sad how corrupt our mainstream media has become.

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[Iceaxe]

It's a race to the left....

One-time moderates reinvent themselves in preparation for 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-dem-hopefuls-shift-to-the-left-as-progressive

[rockgremlin]

It's a race to the left....

One-time moderates reinvent themselves in preparation for 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-dem-hopefuls-shift-to-the-left-as-progressive


With so much chaos and so much grappling for control, the Dems aren't going to have a clear stand out to challenge in 2020. When they all try to monopolize the center stage it results in nobody getting center stage.

Kind of like when you put crabs in a bucket -- they all try and pull each other down in the attempt to get out and it results in none of them getting out.

The infighting and narcissism is going to eat their party up and Trump is gonna be left standing on top of the pile once again....just like always.

[bookmarked for election results, 2020]

[Iceaxe]

With so much chaos and so much grappling for control, the Dems aren't going to have a clear stand out to challenge in 2020. When they all try to monopolize the center stage it results in nobody getting center stage.

Kind of like when you put crabs in a bucket -- they all try and pull each other down in the attempt to get out and it results in none of them getting out.

The infighting and narcissism is going to eat their party up and Trump is gonna be left standing on top of the pile once again....just like always.

[bookmarked for election results, 2020]


Just remember that was the exact same thinking the Democrats had doing into 2016 when the GOP had an abundance of want-to-be's.

Trump destroyed all the contenders and came out on top. Part of Trump's success was that most the other contender's were just cookie cutter politician's and sucked votes away from each other. I think if the Republican field heading into 2016 had of been small Trump might not have won.

The election of Trump was partly do to a perfect storm. The Republican's had too large of field. The Democrat's put forth a highly flawed and despised candidate. And Obama's world apology tour did not play well with middle America. Without Obama there would have been no Trump.

We'll have to see who shakes out of the Democratic primaries. To beat Trump I think they need a new face that is not part of the resist movement. Someone like Mark Cuban could give Trump a real race.

One problem is the DNC is rigged with super delegates, It would have been impossible for Trump to win as a Democrat because of super delegates, just ask Bernie.

[BasinCruiser]

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[uintafly]

Dems are probably gonna eat there own this go round. Identity politics and being politically correct seem to be the only things the party stands for at this point. And once outside the twitterverse, most of us just don't give a shit about that stuff. Which is too bad, because Trump is a nut job.

But I can see it now:
"I support Biden."
"Why do you hate women?"
"You know what, you are right. I am voting for Warren."
"Why do you hate people of color? You know white women have allowed white men to ruin everything right?"

Round and round we will go.

[rockgremlin]

"You know what, you are right. I am voting for Warren."
"Why do you hate people of color? You know white women have allowed white men to ruin everything right?"


Except....Warren isn't white. She's a Native American Indian. Didn't you get the memo?

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/13/c6/70/13c670e7f11f5a78e561f1bb0e26d01b.jpg

https://i.rmbl.ws/s8/1/m/_/Z/M/m_ZMa.OvCc.1-small-Elizabeth-Warren-eyes-50-in.jpg

https://spinnakernews.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Elizabeth-warren-not-cherokee-indian-678x381.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/be/fe/39/befe39ccfd8b7d2e4289bf69395bcf62--elizabeth-warren-in-america.jpg

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Shiva.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Warren identifies as a native American and that works just fine with progressives. Don't forget these are the same people that see no problem with a 40 y/o man that identifies as a woman whipping out his dick in the ladies restroom and taking a piss next to your 10 y/o daughter.

Climb-Utah.com

[uintafly]

Looks like the Dems are doubling down on dumb. Gonna be a race to the far far left to get the nomination. Between the extreme identity politics and blaming the wealthy for everything the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot. Where will the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, non SJW like me vote?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-to-propose-new-wealth-tax-economic-advisor.html

[oldno7]

Looks like the Dems are doubling down on dumb. Gonna be a race to the far far left to get the nomination. Between the extreme identity politics and blaming the wealthy for everything the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot. Where will the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, non SJW like me vote?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-to-propose-new-wealth-tax-economic-advisor.html


huh??

This is your party, this will be your trophy.

Enjoy it....you've worked hard towards it.

did you not understand the end game?

[twotimer]

Looks like the Dems are doubling down on dumb. Gonna be a race to the far far left to get the nomination. Between the extreme identity politics and blaming the wealthy for everything the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot. Where will the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, non SJW like me vote?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-to-propose-new-wealth-tax-economic-advisor.htmlYou're in a tough spot, man. I'm not trying to be shitty with you, either. If the Republicans had tried to pull primary bullshit like the Dems did, I'd ditch the party altogether.

The Dems certainly look out of control. Their hatred of Trump is hurting our country and destroying future possibilities for these people to actually just "try" to make things better. This is all the wrong direction, IMO.

You've got two choices...that's the bottom line. One of them is going to get in R or D. Who knows what the lay of the land will be a year from now...maybe some liberal ass kicker will show up, eh?

I'll be interested to hear how you feel a year from now. Hell, I'll even remember to ask ya.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

It will be Harris vs Warren vs Sanders vs Booker vs Hillary (yes she will) - in the 2020 Democratic primaries.

[accadacca]

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz says he's "seriously thinking" about independent run for president

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/howard-schultz-60-minutes-interview-billionaire-says-hes-seriously-thinking-about-running-for-president-as-an-independent/

[BasinCruiser]

It will be Harris vs Warren vs Sanders vs Booker vs Hillary (yes she will) - in the 2020 Democratic primaries.


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[Iceaxe]

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz says he's "seriously thinking" about independent run for president

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/howard-schultz-60-minutes-interview-billionaire-says-hes-seriously-thinking-about-running-for-president-as-an-independent/

This would be awesome as it would split the liberal/Democratic vote and assure Trump of a 2nd term in a landslide.

This is exactly how Ross Perot torpedoed Bush 41's second term and why we ended up with Bill Clinton. Perot siphoned off 19% of the vote which was mostly disenfranchised Republicans.

[rockgremlin]

This would be awesome as it would split the liberal/Democratic vote and assure Trump of a 2nd term in a landslide.

This is exactly how Ross Perot torpedoed Bush 41's second term and why we ended up with Bill Clinton. Perot siphoned off 19% of the vote which was mostly disenfranchised Republicans.

Was just gonna say the same thing. The more democratic candidates the better. Flood that ticket. Spread those votes around....

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

..,,.,Boom! That nailed it...

[oldno7]

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Kamala is now being called "horizontal harris"

or---"whoreizontal harris" if you prefer

[rockgremlin]

Kamala is now being called "horizontal harris"

or---"whoreizontal harris" if you prefer

This because of that whole sleeping-with-the-mayor thing?

[Iceaxe]

This because of that whole sleeping-with-the-mayor thing?

Kamala Harris flat backed her way to success...

My big question is why is it OK for a women to screw her way to success, but not OK for a successful man to help a young woman's career in exchange for sex. I see no difference, for those that do please help me out...

Extramarital affair with Kamala Harris? Former San Francisco mayor, 84, admits it happened

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-san-francisco-mayor-addresses-past-relationship-with-sen-kamala-harris

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[BasinCruiser]

Looks like the Dems are doubling down on dumb. Gonna be a race to the far far left to get the nomination. Between the extreme identity politics and blaming the wealthy for everything the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot. Where will the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, non SJW like me vote?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-to-propose-new-wealth-tax-economic-advisor.html

Welcome to the club. Now you know how conservatives felt voting for 2018 Senate general election: 1. Mr - I'm going to be the biggest socialistic RINO Never-Trumper ever - Mittens Flake McRomney, vs. 2. A democrat that was likely going to be less socialist than Flake McRomney.

[BasinCruiser]

Pure tyranny.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/42765/watch-kamala-harris-calls-elimination-free-market-ryan-saavedra

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[Iceaxe]

Spartacus joins Pocahontas and Horizontal Harris in the Democratic primary... I'm thinking Crooked Hillary holds out until early summer to declare as her health can't handle the long grind.

New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker launches 2020 bid
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46481400&nid=757

[twotimer]

I'd bet that Creepy Uncle Joe will be the man. I'd say he can mop up the floor with all these other contenders.

Creepy, indeed. Every time I see that guy, I can't help but picture him pacing around the entrance of a factory with a baseball bat in his hands. Just a nasty, gnarled out dude. I remember his weird, crazy performances during the '12 debates with Paul Ryan. My mother was schizophrenic and I know what crazy looks like.

Forget Trump...there's a guy who'll fly off the handle and start pushing buttons.

[Iceaxe]

I'd bet that Creepy Uncle Joe will be the man. I'd say he can mop up the floor with all these other contenders.

As it stands right now Creepy Joe is not nearly left enough and I don't think he can get there fast enough. For better or worse the extreme left currently has control of the Democratic party and I don't see the Centrist fraction of the party having much say this go around. YMMV

[Iceaxe]

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Democrats 2020 message...
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More bad news from the past for Fauxahontas.

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[Iceaxe]

State of the Union

Trump sure knows how to work a crowd.

USA USA USA USA

[emoji631]

[double moo]

State of the Union

Trump sure knows how to work a crowd.

USA USA USA USA

[emoji631]

The Dems response seems as though it was based on what they expected him to say... not what he actually said. Makes them look a little silly.

[Iceaxe]

Trump played the Democrats like a fiddle. He forced them to stand and cheer America or appear unpatriotic. He basically placed them in a no win situation, which is something he is really good at doing.

He also gave the Socialist a big screw you....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190206/6fd74eeb9fb3587cb4d5369ae74ea029.jpg

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I am Spartacus....


Sen. Cory Booker made himself look the fool yet again this week while questioning judicial nominee Neomi Rao.


At Tuesday’s confirmation hearing, the Jersey Democrat senator went after Rao with the clear suspicion that she’s some kind of religious bigot, asking first: “Have you ever had an LGBTQ law clerk?”


Her reply exposed Booker’s total lack of preparation: “I have not been a judge, so I don’t have any law clerks.”


He fell back to asking if anyone now working for her is LGBTQ — and she humiliated him again: “To be honest, I don’t know the sexual orientation of my staff. I take people as they come, irrespective of their race, ethnicity, sexual orientation.”


But Booker wouldn’t let go, asking, “Are gay relationships in your opinion immoral?”


She started to answer: “I’m not sure of the relevance of that,” and he interrupted:


“I think it’s relevant to your opinion if you think African-American relationships are immoral, do you think gay relationships are immoral?” Huh? Immoral African-American relationships?


Rao gave up trying to make sense of his questions and said, “No, I do not.”


Still, he persisted: “Do you believe they are a sin?” (Not immoral, but a sin? Really?)


Rao finally explained that it doesn’t matter what she believes: “Whatever my personal views are on the subject, I would faithfully follow the precedent of the Supreme Court.”


https://nypost.com/2019/02/06/cory-booker-makes-himself-look-the-fool-again/

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUOwFYG0ktkD4tf2us/giphy.gif

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

Elizabeth Warren officially threw her headdress into the ring today. Pocahontas is running for President in 2020.

[Iceaxe]

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[rockgremlin]

"Stopping cow farts" is actually pretty damn easy.

You can't stop it completely, but it is possible to reduce the methane emitted by cows and other rumen by almost 80% with additives to their diet. And if it's just that easy, I say why not?

https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/climate-change/carbon-farming-reducing-methane-emissions-cattle-using-feed-additives

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Did you see the twitter mob and the rest of Hollywood basically crawl all over themselves to prove they were the most offended by this dastardly tweet? The constant state of being offended by EVERYTHING is getting so tiresome.

[Sombeech]

"Stopping cow farts" is actually pretty damn easy.

You can't stop it completely, but it is possible to reduce the methane emitted by cows and other rumen by almost 80% with additives to their diet. And if it's just that easy, I say why not?

https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/climate-change/carbon-farming-reducing-methane-emissions-cattle-using-feed-additives

What ever happened to the new ambition to harness Cow manure for the methane and convert it to energy?

You could easily enough just house all of the cattle indoors, capture the COW FARTS in the building. But then that would be cruel to the cows, not giving them fresh air.

[devo_stevo]

Did you see the twitter mob and the rest of Hollywood basically crawl all over themselves to prove they were the most offended by this dastardly tweet? The constant state of being offended by EVERYTHING is getting so tiresome.
I'm not on twitter so I did not, but I have to admit that when I first saw it I wondered if it was a doctored photo I can't imagine Bob Lowe (or anyone in the entertainment world) making a statement like that. Not because it isn't funny, but because of how "horrible" and "offensive" it would be portrayed by your boss and colleagues.

[rockgremlin]

What ever happened to the new ambition to harness Cow manure for the methane and convert it to energy?

You could easily enough just house all of the cattle indoors, capture the COW FARTS in the building. But then that would be cruel to the cows, not giving them fresh air.

Cows need open spaces. It contributes to healthier livestock, plus it's more cost effective. It costs money to house all cattle indoors. If you have over 1000 head of cattle it would take a dozen Costco sized warehouses to keep all of those cattle indoors. Aint nobody got cash for dat!

[BasinCruiser]

Did you see the twitter mob and the rest of Hollywood basically crawl all over themselves to prove they were the most offended by this dastardly tweet? The constant state of being offended by EVERYTHING is getting so tiresome.

Yeah, it was pretty pathetic. So bad, that the spineless twit ended up deleting it.

[BasinCruiser]

Andrew Yang (never heard of him? me neither) has thrown his hat into the 2020 ring. In the race for Democrats to out-left each other, in addition to the free Healthcare, college, housing, food, etc. that the other nimwits are promising, he is throwing in a $12k/yr universal basic income for everyone. And, putting his money where his mouth is, he is giving selected people in the early primary states of Iowa and New Hampshire $1k/mo.

So, if the government is going to give me free healthcare, food, housing, and guaranteed income, tell me why I should go to their free college, or to work for that matter? Oh, i'll need those to be able to afford the doubling in cost of everything due to his VAT to pay for the UBI.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-long-shot-wants-to-give-each-adult-american-12k-per-year

[oldno7]

dems gonna need a bigger car

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[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

91869


Who is this wonderful homo sapien?

[devo_stevo]

It's Beto O'Rourke. Snopes isn't my favorite website, but I'm not sure that memes are great either sometimes. Even if they are entertaining and all that.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beto-veterans-elderly-trash-garbage/

[rockgremlin]

It's Beto O'Rourke. Snopes isn't my favorite website, but I'm not sure that memes are great either sometimes. Even if they are entertaining and all that.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beto-veterans-elderly-trash-garbage/


91871


Let's at least play fair. If we slander indiscriminately then we become the very thing we despise.

[devo_stevo]

Exactly. Fake news is fake news. It doesn't matter who it's aimed at.

[BasinCruiser]

91873

Is Mitch trying to out-troll Trump?

[Iceaxe]

91873

Is Mitch trying to out-troll Trump?

Not a troll... Its a very smart move by McConnell as it forces the Democrats to make a stand in writing. Once you have signed on the dotted line it's nearly impossible to claim you really didn't support it when it's no longer politically expedient.

[emoji631]

[dougrz]

And if it's just that easy, I say why not?

Because we're supposed to be free people. You can substitute anything in that statement when using climate change as the pretext.

[BasinCruiser]

The hard core partying communist officially throws his hammer and sickle into the ring.

91958


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/16/bernie-sanders-2020-1173339

[Iceaxe]

Kamala is now being called "horizontal harris"

or---"whoreizontal harris" if you prefer

I was talking with a friend this morning and he referred to Kamala Harris as "Heels Up Harris"... Damn... I nearly died laughing...

[oldno7]

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Twenty-five percent of Democrat voters said that they would either back Michelle Obama or Creepy Joe Biden for the Democrat nomination, even though neither Democrat has declared their candidacy for president in 2020, according to a Hill-HarrisX poll released on Tuesday.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/19/poll-michelle-obama-joe-biden-top-contenders-for-2020-democrat-nomination/

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

Bernie Sanders Raises $5.9 Million Online in First 24 Hours After Announcing Campaign

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanders-campaign-raises-5-9-million-online-in-first-24-hours-11550673475?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR2upcpF1d4XLGQnsOAI1_5BQHnVaRK0Mf2qW71R0 r55YJDN9OAG3PnWOLA

[oldno7]

dems biggest hopes are 2 wealthy, old, white guys...

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Food for thought...
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[rockgremlin]

Why does Bernie always look like he's seething mad?

[Iceaxe]

Heels Up Harris has staked out her ground....


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[qedcook]

Why does Bernie always look like he's seething mad?

Because he is!

[uintafly]

Heels Up Harris has staked out her ground....


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For those of us who have either been working or skiing too much to listen to speeches, do you have any actual quotes where she said these things?

[oldno7]

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BREAKING: Presidential candidates Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders have voted "NO" on a bill that would've required doctors to provide medical care to infants born alive after an attempted abortion.

4:02 PM - 25 Feb 2019

[oldno7]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/431504-democrats-block-abortion-bill-in-senate

[dougrz]

Literally voting to legalize murder. Unthinkable radicalism. And these people claim they care about death prevention via gun control. 95% of the Dem party is composed of infanticide supporters.

[rockgremlin]

Literally voting to legalize murder. Unthinkable radicalism. And these people claim they care about death prevention via gun control. 95% of the Dem party is composed of infanticide supporters.

How do they reconcile infanticide with the Hippocratic Oath?

Asking for a friend...

[Iceaxe]

Those voting to legalize infanticide didn't take a Hippocratic oath.

Finding doctor's to perform abortions has always been a small problem and finding ones to perform late term abortions will probably be a bigger problem, but there are always those who will do anything for money.

[Iceaxe]

Heels Up Harris at it again...

Kamala Harris calls for reparations. And then her father reveals her ancestors used to own slaves.

http://publ.ink/Ba74dNe7Pm

[BruteForce]

Heels Up Harris at it again...

Kamala Harris calls for reparations. And then her father reveals her ancestors used to own slaves.

http://publ.ink/Ba74dNe7Pm

Exactly who would these be paid to? There are at least 5 generations between then and now. Pandering for votes. Anything to get it done. Sick..

[rockgremlin]

I've always wondered what reparations is supposed to look like. A one time cash payment? Monthly installments? Gift cards? A prepaid VISA? Coupons? Food stamps?

Would they take taxes on it? Would the IRS consider it income? :roll:

So many questions...

[double moo]

I thought reparations were in play currently as EBT cards.

[rockgremlin]

I thought reparations were in play currently as EBT cards.


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[rockgremlin]

Seriously though..This is the problem with the concept of reparations as I see it...


A few thoughts:

1. Reparations (if made) would establish a dangerous precedent. Because if the U.S. Gov't is going to make reparations via cash settlements, then a whole hoard of cultures would show up on the White House steps with their hand out wanting their cut.

-- Native Americans would want reparations for driving their ancestors off their lands, and for the numerous atrocities committed during that time.
-- Asians would want reparations for those two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945, not to mention the cluster bombing and firebombing on Tokyo that occurred during WWll. Additionally, Asians were used as cheap labor during the construction of the trans-continental railroad. They were very much treated like slaves during that time.


2. Doesn't the payment of cash settlements as reparations diminish the experiences that their ancestors endured under slavery? When the untold number of rapes and murders of their ancestors can be bought off with money, it cheapens and diminishes the hardships that their ancestors were forced to endure.

And as a side note....

3. Why aren't Jews demanding reparations from the German government for the atrocities committed during WWll and the holocaust? If there is justice in this world, then if any culture should be compensated for previous wrongs it ought to be the Jews for the atrocities committed by the German government.

[uintafly]

I want reparations for enduring all of the bad memes from oldno7

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

sorry missed this one by a day

[BasinCruiser]

I thought reparations were in play currently as EBT cards.

Affirmative Action?

Congressional Black Caucus?

NAACP?

United Negro College Fund?

BET?

NBA?

NFL?

[twotimer]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/c5455a9f35eccb4fca9ebdf80b29a524.jpgAny time now, Biden will jump in and mop the floor with all of them.

[oldno7]

Any time now, Biden will jump in and mop the floor with all of them.

It won't be biden…

it will be moochele

[Iceaxe]

If democrats get fewer electrol votes in 2020 then they got in1984 will they blame Walter Mondail?

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

Ex-Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper enters presidential race
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46503662&nid=1422

[Iceaxe]

The Millennial's battle cry... if it's free, it's for me.

[rockgremlin]

Ex-Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper enters presidential race
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46503662&nid=1422


And yet another candidate to dilute the already crowded Democratic ticket.

Just waiting for Biden to declare and blow away everyone who has already announced their candidacy.

[Iceaxe]

Just waiting for Biden to declare and blow away everyone who has already announced their candidacy.

I don't think Creepy Joe will win the nomination unless the moderates grow a pair and take back control of the party. I think Biden understands that, which is why he has not announced his candidacy.

Currently in the Democratic party the lunatics are running the insane asylum.

[emoji631]

[rockgremlin]

Currently in the Democratic party the lunatics are running the insane asylum.

[emoji631]

Are they thinking that the majority of voters in the U.S. are as loony as they are?


Because if that's the case they're in for a rude awakening when Trump is inaugurated for his second term.

[Sombeech]

Has Hillary come out and said "I will officially NOT be running for 2020"? I don't think I've seen a definitive statement from her, bowing down from 2020

[Iceaxe]

Has Hillary come out and said "I will officially NOT be running for 2020"? I don't think I've seen a definitive statement from her, bowing down from 2020

I expect Hillary to run, she has been quietly collecting money. It's in her DNA and I don't think she can help herself. I think she is waiting as long as possible to announce as her health isn't great and I think she wants to limit the stress and grind of running to as short of term as possible. She'll announce mid summer is my prediction.

Or I could be wrong....

[rockgremlin]

I think Hillary is one and done. I think her defeat to Trump was humiliating, and something she doesn't want to repeat again. If she couldn't get it done the first time, she has even less of a chance now that the Trump Train is in full steam.

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[Iceaxe]

I think Hillary is one and done. I think her defeat to Trump was humiliating, and something she doesn't want to repeat again. If she couldn't get it done the first time, she has even less of a chance now that the Trump Train is in full steam.

I just don't think she can help herself. Hillary has delusions of grandeur....

[Sombeech]

The question is, will Hillary steal it from Bernie twice in a row?

[Iceaxe]

The question is, will Hillary steal it from Bernie twice in a row?

Bernie is done for... the radical left has stolen his message and his thunder...

I also don't think Hillary will win the nomination for a multitude of reasons.

Bernie and Hillary are alike in that they craze the spotlight and attention.

The Democratic primary is going to be a blood bath, I expect an unknown to emerge as the leader at summers end. Similar to the way an unknown Obama emerged or how Trump won the GOP as a longshot outsider.

[rockgremlin]

The only way the left could win is if they put up a moderate that could have a wider appeal across party lines.

This radical far left-kill-your-babies-and-end-the-world-in-12-years-unless-we-adopt-the-Green-New-Deal bullshit isn't gonna fly. In fact, it will end in Trump winning by a landslide margin. But they have to know this....right? Or am I just giving too much credit? :ne_nau:

[Iceaxe]

The Democrats have painted themselves into a corner. It will be interesting to see how they get out. I think the party will implode and something like the Trump Republican party will emerge. The GOP now is nothing like the GOP that nominated Romney.

[Iceaxe]

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[devo_stevo]

But they have to know this....right? Or am I just giving too much credit? :ne_nau:
Not if you read the facebook comments on any of the recent KSL articles. There are a TON of people that only care about them not being Donald Trump. This is, of course, a small and probably rather skewed sampling of people.

[twotimer]

Ex-Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper enters presidential race
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46503662&nid=1422He's too mild mannered. He'll fade into the background.

I think the Dems have little chance of winning the White House, and I think they damn well know it. They're all just doing a cash grab. Also, I don't see a mystery man/woman showing up like Obama did...I think that person would have been eyeballed already.

Nah...it's Trump until 2024. That suits me just fine because I think he looks great. He looks like a man in his 50s. He looks quite healthy.

I feel sorry for all these folks that pine for someone who's a cross between Cary Grant and James Bond to show up and right all the wrongs...that's why they love JFK so much...he's the closest they ever got.

[rockgremlin]

I feel sorry for all these folks that pine for someone who's a cross between Cary Grant and James Bond to show up and right all the wrongs...that's why they love JFK so much...he's the closest they ever got.


The problem with a guy like that is that every woman alive is in line to get in bed with him. You know how many ladies this guy pegged while in office, on the taxpayer's dime? He was living the life of a Rockstar.

Morals aside...if he can perform his duty and deliver on promises I'm willing to let it slide (no pun intended). :haha:

[twotimer]

Yeah...I read Killing Kennedy a few years ago and he was boinking them all over the place. It seems that having some side action was the thing to do in those days...I also just read a biography of Reagan and he was doing it too, especially in his Hollywood days. Cheated on both wives.

Funny how things have changed, huh? Kamala Harris says prostitution should be legalized but if you grab a tittie without permission then it's 20 years in the dungeon.

[oldno7]

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[Sombeech]

I think Hillary is one and done.

Sounds like she's done, I mean she wouldn't lie, right?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BunA6YSnAzX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xdwc4oesyq7x

[rockgremlin]

Sounds like she's done, I mean she wouldn't lie, right?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BunA6YSnAzX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xdwc4oesyq7x

Link is broke

[Iceaxe]

Sounds like she's done, I mean she wouldn't lie, right?



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[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Hillary Clinton is back tracking on her comments that she’s not running for president, leaving the door wide open for a 3rd run at the White House.

When a Clinton speaks, their words have an expiration date. This one was 24 hours.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/here-we-go-hillary-clinton-clarifies-says-she-was-misunderstood-when-she-said-she-wasnt-running-video/

[Iceaxe]

Good stuff...


http://youtu.be/EmE7DqTqtiM

[Iceaxe]

Is creepy Joe going to run.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190308/6d75ac8d8832b75f65f0770a14202682.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Too funny....

https://youtu.be/H3VLqLLWxbQ

http://youtu.be/H3VLqLLWxbQ

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

sounds like he's in, announce in the morning

[Iceaxe]

The more Democrats in the better in my opinion... it increases the chances one of the unelectable whack jobs will emerge as the winner...

....also they will pound each other into oblivion in the primaries...

...win - win...

[oldno7]

Warren Has ‘Zero’ Sympathy With People Who Lied To Get Into College

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&amp;v=3_KPI4oJC7o

[twotimer]

The more Democrats in the better in my opinion... it increase the chances one of the unelectable whack jobs will emerge as the winner...

....also they will pound each other into oblivion in the primaries...

...win - win...I'm with you on this, no doubt. But like I said earlier, once Biden steps in the rest of them are toast.

I think the Dominant Establishment Liberal Mass Media is going to pick the one they want to focus on. Remember Lawrence Lessig? He, along with three other dudes ran for Prez on the Dem. ticket in 2016. They didn't last long.

The leftist deep state along with the media will dismiss all but Biden and they'll all do as they're told after pocketing a year's worth of campaign salary. The only one who won't go along with the program will be Bernie...and he doesn't have a chance.

Biden vs. Trump. It's gonna be the apex of the circus to see those two shake hands for a debate after all the ass kicking threats, eh?

[Iceaxe]

Biden has a couple big problems with getting the nomination... he's a dinosaur that is clueless about social media, the moderate left has no energy, his handling of the Anita Hill case will dog him like Hillary's emails dogged her.... but his biggest problem of all is Biden is an old white guy.

[oldno7]

Biden has a couple big problems with getting the nomination... he's a dinosaur that is clueless about social media, the moderate left has no energy, he is seen as a weak leader.

another problem might arise when Trump nicknames him "pedo-joe"

[Iceaxe]

another problem might arise when Trump nicknames him "pedo-joe"

Biden will never make it out of the primaries to face Trump. The Democrats are not going to elect and old white guy.

[rockgremlin]

I was reading the KSL article about Beto entering the race: https://www.ksl.com/article/46510803/beto-orourke-enters-2020-race-attempting-bipartisan-appeal


I really don't know much about Beto and the article mentioned that he was running as a moderate, but then it took a dramatic turn for the worse:

"...O'Rourke's record in Congress has drawn criticism from some on the left for being too moderate, but he spoke at length about combating climate change and supporting the Green New Deal on Thursday...."

Seriously? How can you be a moderate and pledge support for the Green New Deal? WTF? The GND is about as Uber-Left as you can get.

[Sombeech]

The problem with most candidates is when the voters look at their past votes and history.

The benefit Trump has, is everybody knows his past, he isn't polished, he says stupid stuff sometimes, he's a bullshitter, he's owned strip clubs, he's had a small fraction of businesses file bankruptcy... and his opponents can't pull any surprises on the voters, not even the Mueller witch hunt. The voters knew what he would do for the country and Obama's economy. We will see in the next few months how Trump was telling the truth these past couple of years.

Trump is untouchable and it drives people absolutely crazy, out of their minds hysterical. After the initial shock of how bad the reactions can be, it gets very entertaining.

[Iceaxe]

Word....
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[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[Sombeech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQDQ-Q4kW5Y

[Sombeech]

Unfortunately, Jimmy Fallon will be forced to apologize for that one

[BasinCruiser]

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[twotimer]

I wouldn't hold out much hope for this guy Beto...he's just too weird. The media are trying to make him into something he's not...they're desperate for a Biden alternative, IMO.

It's gonna be fun to watch that old man verbally puke all over himself but win the primary anyway. Some keep talking about the "new school youth" of the party but it's the old school that still rules the roost...look at Pelosi, for example.

Maybe Kurt is right...maybe Mrs. Obama will jump in early next year? She may be the best chance they have.

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

So I guess they no longer teach this class in school anymore?

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[oldno7]

^^^^This time will be different...

you just don't understand.

[rockgremlin]

^^^^This time will be different...

you just don't understand.


What about all of the good things Stalin did? It's so unfair of you to only highlight his negative accomplishments.

Typical right wing asshole :roll:

[Iceaxe]

What about all of the good things Stalin did? It's so unfair of you to only highlight his negative accomplishments.

Typical right wing asshole :roll:
I just finished reading 5 different books about WWII and the Eastern Front. 3 were written by German soldiers and 2 by Russian soldiers... the brutally by both sides was unbelievable. The raping, murdering and torture to both military and civilians by both sides was nearly incomprehensible. Those guys made the ISIS tortures and beheadings look like beginners.

[rockgremlin]

I just finished reading 5 different books about WWII and the Eastern Front. 3 were written by German soldiers and 2 by Russian soldiers... the brutally by both sides was unbelievable. The raping, murdering and torture to both military and civilians by both sides was nearly incomprehensible. Those guys made the ISIS tortures and beheadings look like beginners.


Titles please? Since I just polished off 1984, I need another good book to read.

[Iceaxe]

If you are interested in WWII history from the German point of view I suggest these books, and probably in this order, but not really required in any order. The Faust books are short and fast paced and you want to read Tiger Tracks first as that is the correct order chronologically.

Tiger Tracks - Wolfgang Faust

The Last Panther - Wolfgang Faust

Sniper on the Eastern Front - Sepp Allerberger

D Day through German Eyes - Book one - Holger Eckhertz

D Day through German Eyes - Book two - Holger Eckhertz

I read really a lot of history books, usually a couple books a week for the past 45 years. My preference is military history from a first person point of view. If you want to know about anything in history I can probably recommend a good book to read on the subject.

Sniper on the Eastern Front might be the most brutal of the books as some of the savagery is surreal. Some of the events still in my head include him finding Russian soldiers smoking the flesh of a dead soldier over a fire for rations, a dead pregnant woman who has had her stomach slit open with the fetus impaled on a bayonet, a Hungarian woman gang raped by 23 russian soldiers in front of her husband and when they are finished they kill her by sticking a flare gun up her cootchie and pulling the trigger.

D-Day was interesting because the average German soldier couldn't figure out why the US was fighting the German's and not joining them in fighting the Fascist Russians. Some really interesting thoughts we don't get through American history books. There is not nearly the brutality in D-Day as everyone fighting on the western front had a sense of honor and right, or at least the best you could expect in total war..


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[rockgremlin]

Sniper on the Eastern Front might be the most brutal of the books as some of the savagery is surreal. Some of the events still in my head include him finding Russian soldiers smoking the flesh of a dead soldier over a fire for rations, a dead pregnant woman who has had her stomach slit open with the fetus impaled on a bayonet, a Hungarian woman gang raped by 23 russian soldiers in front of her husband and when they are finished they kill her by sticking a flare gun up her cootchie and pulling the trigger.

Good hell....:eek2: That has to mess with a person -- not just the ones on the receiving end of the violence, but on the other end as well. My dad still bears emotional scars from his tour of duty in Vietnam. He was infantry fighting west of Saigon in Cu Chi and Tay Ninh. Still has nightmares sometimes.




D-Day was interesting because the average German soldier couldn't figure out why the US was fighting the German's and not joining them in fighting the Fascist Russians. Some really interesting thoughts we don't get through American history books. There is not nearly the brutality in D-Day as everyone fighting on the western front had a sense of honor and right, or at least the best you could expect in total war..




This is a good point that I never thought of before. The Germans must have been completely baffled that we would side with the Russians.

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This is a good point that I never thought of before. The Germans must have been completely baffled that we would side with the Russians.

The average German soldier didn't really understand the extreme politics. They were taught that they were eventually going to be forced into a war with Fascist Russian and the best way to win that war was to unite all western Europe under one banner.

After taking France and the low countries Germans were taught we are all now one big happy family with the strength to defeat Russian. And all the defeated western countries actually sent troops to fight the Russians along side the Germans, which is something else we never hear about.

We are also never taught that a lot of the western wall was manned by Russian troops who had surrender to Germany early in the war and switched sides. After D Day any Russian troops the allies captured were immediately handed over to the Russians who executed them as deserters. The Russians actually had ships on D Day off the coast to immediately collect the "traitors". The US handed over tens of thousands of captured ex Russians to be murdered by Stalin.

When I was in college I lived with my German girlfriend for a couple of years. She's the one that first pointed out to me our history books were extremely one sided and was nothing like the history they were taught.

Anyhoo... interesting stuff.

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