2020

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7Te1y8sjg

[oldno7]

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/06/62396796_2362830580441868_753058013534748672_n.jpg

[Iceaxe]

When nearly half the country believes there was election fraud (42% last time I looked) it's more than a conspiracy theory...

As I've mentioned before... no matter the outcome a Biden presidency will never be viewed as legitimate by the country as a whole... but even worse... the damage done to this country because of this is extreme and likely beyond repair.

[dougrz]

but even worse... the damage done to this country because of this is extreme and likely beyond repair.

Elaborate.

[Sombeech]

I hope you guys have been listening to the hearings, at least letting them play in the background while you work.

Because when Michigan, Pennsylvania and 2 other swing states give their electoral votes to Trump, I don't want you to be surprised like there was no warning.

Don't rely on highlights, which were filtered and narrated by a biased source. People are learning to listen to the sources, not interpretations of news media.

And if somebody has a pimple or booger hanging out their nose, you'll be told it's because Trump is losing.

The mainstream media lies to us.

[dougrz]

A bit unspoken is the evolving situation in Nevada.

The payoff of people using gas cash cards for ballots is definitively proven. Small scale, but serious.

Bigger is the fairly hard evidenced 40k votes of people who voted twice.

Less clear to me are the about 100k of said to be illegal votes. Not sure if that includes the 40k vote twicers.

[dougrz]

The Bobby Piton analysis in AZ is incredible.

- 95 to 99% turnout in key Dem constituencies

- About 300k fake votes given the impossible voting rates

Oddly, he was suspended by Twitter the day he testified.

https://youtu.be/kU5tQDwjOF8
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[Sombeech]

hooooo boy, this chick is fiery. But can you blame her?

She was bringing the heat at the other hearing too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxiVHxNFIeI&feature=youtu.be

[RepublicanTears]

Count the votes! Count the votes!!

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[rockgremlin]

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[RepublicanTears]

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[rockgremlin]

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[RepublicanTears]

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[dougrz]

Canada uses all paper and hand counts. Most of Europe as well. 30 or so states use Dominion to tally paper ballots, and 14 use touchscreens with no paper at all. We're nearly entirely at the mercy of software.

Unbelievable. I didn't know the US uses software to count until all this came up, and now don't think it's even remotely possible to trust any software tally given the level of total vitriol and hatred between the two parties.

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[oldno7]

http://www.sondrakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/pback-dems-down-ticker.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/lfBPoJ0.jpg

[caverdan]

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[Sombeech]

Looks like the bomb shell was a dud....:mrgreen:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/03/melissa-carone-michigan-trump-giuliani-election/Do you want to actually talk about the claim you just posted? Because I will.

I see you are still reading headlines and posting links without knowing the story.

You seem like a decent guy, so I'm trying to give you advice. The Washington Post is lying to you.

Let me know if you are interested in the reason they deemed her story as non credible.

This goes back to the ad hominem arguments like Sidney Powells cases failed because of a grammar mistake.

[Sombeech]

By the way, this is what Democrats will do to her life because they can't debate the content of her argument.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201203/a454e9fa5b0fab29abfd4e6c42d5c7f6.jpg

[oldno7]

Heres a simple test of a voting machine--randomly picked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlh7DNKGWY

[caverdan]

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[caverdan]

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[Sombeech]

Sure Beech.....I've love to listen to the right side of the story and talk about it with you.

Fantastic. Again, I invite you to answer if you actually do know why the 1 person on the committee said she was "non credible". Do you know what his claim is and how he came to that conclusion?

I'm hoping you're not just reading the headlines and scrolling past the 8 ads per article page, so that they make their money.

[devo_stevo]

Heres a simple test of a voting machine--randomly picked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlh7DNKGWY
That's only because they were using windows 2000. Today's technology is far more secure and safe... ;)

The longer this goes on, the more I'm for going back to paper voting ballots and doing away with the electronic counters and voting machines. Oh, and make people show their ID to verify they are who they are and that they are registered voters in that jurisdiction. You know, so that there isn't any malarkey.

[Sombeech]

Here's something we should all be asking ourselves, about the different State hearings happening.

Do you think Rudy started out with the STRONGEST case, or their WEAKEST case?

Will the cases/ hearings get weaker with every day, or stronger?

Strategy. Moves and countermoves. Trump card; do you play it up front, or save it until the end for the game winning move?

[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

The GA smoking gun.

Video surveillance, of poll watchers and press being cleared out. Then cases of ballots being brought from hidden positions under tables to be scanned. CASES.

Watch this video.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/state-farm-arena-footage-shows-poll-workers-staying-behind-pulling-out-suitcases-with-ballots_3603293.html?v=ul

[dougrz]

^ 5:20 on the video for the meat start. About 9:00 for the actual emergence of cases after the observers left. Observers were previously at the table in the lower right frame.

Note, people had filed affidavits to these details before. Then the video came in last night, from a subpoena for the arena's video camera footage. It corroborated their affidavits.

[dougrz]

^ 2 machines running for somewhere around 2 to 2.5 hours. About 10.30p when everyone was told to leave, to 12.55a. At the machine rates, that easily exceeds the margin in the state.

Note in the video the workers waited for the final observers to leave before springing into action to pull the cases out.

Repub observers returned at the later time, 12.55 ish, after learning at an offsite tally center that votes were still coming in. They became suspicious.

Absolute smoking gun.

[dougrz]

^ At 12:18a, a batch of 23,487 votes came in, 98% for Biden.

That's the batch run in this video. That's the batch the observers noticed, causing them to return. That batch was noticed several weeks ago.

The margin sits around 13k.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201203/cca2e00f7b0fd2503eca6d76176ac362.jpg

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

https://i.ibb.co/HXVR34h/nerd.jpg

[oldno7]

"I know it's not good for me but I'm having mine with butter"

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[oldno7]

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[caverdan]

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[rockgremlin]

The GA smoking gun.

Video surveillance, of poll watchers and press being cleared out. Then cases of ballots being brought from hidden positions under tables to be scanned. CASES.

Watch this video.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/state-farm-arena-footage-shows-poll-workers-staying-behind-pulling-out-suitcases-with-ballots_3603293.html?v=ul


Ahh, The Epoch Times -- about the only objective news reporting agency left in the world. You know damn well MSNBC and/or CNN aren't gonna even dream of reporting this information. They're still too fixated on Giuliani's hair dye. :roll:


IMO, this "Smoking Gun" is definitely compelling -- but it isn't going to change anything. At this point everybody has pretty much quietly agreed that Biden won...he likely cheated...but he still won. The fakenews media will brush this aside as another desperate attempt by the Trump legal team to change the inevitable end result.

And I think the DNC knows damn well that cheating happened, but at this point they're defying anybody to prove it beyond a few affidavits.

[Iceaxe]

^^^This^^^

[dougrz]

IMO, this "Smoking Gun" is definitely compelling -- but it isn't going to change anything.

I think this is in the hands of Tucker and Hannity, followed by Brit Hume, now. Yes, Fox.

This video is that powerful, and is the opening.

It takes one legislature to stand up. But the mere men in those shoes will have to risk their professional and political lives to act. Cover from Fox will make that possible.

Sad that action requires cover from the media. But it does. Truth itself is no longer sufficient.

[dougrz]

The GA video is gaining traction.

Dershowitz commented on it tonight, saying it's compelling. Hannity tweeted about it and will hopefully headline it tonight. This isn't about proving in court, but getting state legs to act.

Hannity < Tucker < Brit, in terms of cover.

[Iceaxe]

I'd feel a lot better if Trump would get a win in one of the important swing states to start the pendulum swinging in his direction...

GOP asks SCOTUS to block PA vote certification.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-ask-scotus-to-block-final-certification-of-pa-votes-count

[dougrz]

Tucker is covering on the next segment.

This is it. Last shot, imo. This video can't be clearer. Tied to a spike in time. Tied to observers being kicked out. Clear pulling of secret cases of ballots. Affidavits filed before the video confirmed.

Nothing more can be shown.

Momentum has to start tonight.

[dougrz]

I'd feel a lot better if Trump would get a win in one of the important swing states to start the pendulum swinging in his direction...

GOP asks SCOTUS to block PA vote certification.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-ask-scotus-to-block-final-certification-of-pa-votes-countI think the SC has to suspend the Dec 8 and 14 deadlines. Otherwise not enough time anymore.

And GA is one of the important. GA, PA, and one of WI or MI. Plus it's the only one with now truly hard evidence of enough fraud votes to overturn the margin.

[dougrz]

Legally, I think the NV case is strongest with the best data, and a judge who gave favorable rulings along the way.

34k margin. Eclipsed by ~90k flat out illegal votes. These aren't even signature disputes. They're just flat illegal votes.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201204/c6aac46a170cd489542af01d50566598.jpg

[Byron]

So apparently these people are all full of shit...confused liars one and all?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE

[dougrz]

GOP asks SCOTUS to block PA vote certification.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-ask-scotus-to-block-final-certification-of-pa-votes-count

More on this. PA is the clearest Constitutional case. Where the Const says a legislature can set the manner of selecting electors. Which means a governor can't order it and a court can't order it.

But I could also see the SC saying, "People voted in good faith, following what was at the time the lawful voting method. Therefore striking down such votes is an unfair punishment to them, with neither fault nor deception by the voter himself."

Where NV is obvious illegal votes. WI is obvious illegally registered people (case centers on people who registered solely on their ballot envelope). GA is videod machine stuffing. Etc.

MI and AZ don't have the clear legal cases as the others do, imo.

[Iceaxe]

Here's something we should all be asking ourselves, about the different State hearings happening.

Do you think Rudy started out with the STRONGEST case, or their WEAKEST case?

Will the cases/ hearings get weaker with every day, or stronger?

Strategy. Moves and countermoves. Trump card; do you play it up front, or save it until the end for the game winning move?


Sun Tzu's Art of War is the basis behind Trump's philosophy in the Art of the Deal... So Trump is very intimate with Sun Tzu's strategies....And that's what he's doing here.....

One of the core tenets in the Art of War is feigning weakness when you are strong, and strength where you are weak.... The classic Poker bluff essentially, and Trump is the master of the Poker bluff.

[Sombeech]

I'm mobile so I don't want to type a bunch of crap out, but for those of you thinking we know there's fraud but can't do anything about it you sirs are incorrect.

Kemp (Georgia) just finally agreed to a signature audit.

Things are moving forward exactly as planned. It's not the big flashing evidence event because those can be distracted with a mass shooting or elderly man driving a bus through the market crowd.

You are seeing the steady drip, drip, drip of evidence. How to boil a frog.

Big flashy moves too early in the game give the enemy time for a rebuttal. But the steady drip of evidence is indefensible.

Plenty of time still, all going to plan. Trump wins 2020. Just like they set out to do, and are following every step. This has been planned for years, exactly this.

Wait till you see how crazy the Dems get when they call for his removal from the Whitehouse.

And there, I ended up typing a bunch of crap anyways

[dougrz]

Looks like a bunch of posts were lost?

The Dec 8 and 14 deadlines for legal disputes are obviously a death problem for that avenue. I've thought those aren't Constitutional, since the only date in the Const is Jan 20.

There is a legal opinion out agreeing with that. Alito set a deadline for PA to respond to his request of Dec. 9. Why did he do that? To kill the suit, or prove a point that Dec 8 isn't going to stand?

[caverdan]

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[Sombeech]

Looks like a bunch of posts were lost?



Yeah sorry, we had to roll the site back 2 days.

http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?p=633760

[Sombeech]

The Kraken is dying a slow and most horrablests death ever. :angryfire:
This is one long Kraken movie.....:popcorn:

https://www.scribd.com/document/487089072/Georgia-Response-to-Sidney-Powell-s-Kraken-Lawsuit#from_embedThere's no way I'm reading all that. How about a couple of highlights?

[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

I'm guessing the Alito move to push up the deadline means the SC will rule in favor of Trump.

Not sure it will affect enough ballots, but will be a boost to his side.

[caverdan]

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[Sombeech]

Kraken continues to slowly....ever so slowly die.

Good luck with that. I'll bet you still believe there is "no evidence of voter fraud" too.

You might want to switch your news sources. It kind of feels like I've said that before. Have I said that before?

[dougrz]

SC ruling on PA likely tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Iceaxe]

Good luck with that. I'll bet you still believe there is "no evidence of voter fraud" too.

What I believe is Creepy Joe will become our 46th president on January 20th... everything else is just crumbs.

I hope I'm wrong... but I'm not...

[2065toyota]

What I believe is Creepy Joe will become our 46th president on January 20th... everything else is just crumbs.

I hope I'm wrong... but I'm not...

Even more liberals that I talk with think he cheated but as long as he wins and doesn't get caught or there is enough evidence to change anything they don't really care. Win at all costs and at anyone's expense

[Iceaxe]

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

[Byron]

Even more liberals that I talk with think he cheated but as long as he wins and doesn't get caught or there is enough evidence to change anything they don't really care. Win at all costs and at anyone's expenseIndeed. The liberal clients I've had since the "election" have said the same thing, or they just shrug their shoulders.

What mystifies me most about all this is that they have no concern for who's actually going to be running the country...it's just "mystery people" when it boils down to it. At least we knew who Trump was. Now?...is it Gates? Bloomberg? Who writes the scripts for the media talking heads? What are their interests? What's important to them?

We've had a real good close look at just how fragile things can be this year...and we may have just handed the reigns of power to those that kickstarted the whole thing. To me it's just a giant shitshow of smoke and mirrors...unconcerned about the human debris in its wake.

[dougrz]

Interesting and brilliant. Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the SC this morning. Suing GA, PA, MI, and WI for running unconstitutional elections.

SC has original jurisdiction in cases between states. Which means, the SC cannot punt by refusing to hear and letting a lower court ruling stand. These justices have to take a stand now.

Implication is, if the election setups are ruled unconstitutional, that doesn't take proof of fraud. It's a straightforward case of how the election laws were changed by governors and election departments rather than legislatures as required in the Const.

If the SC has the courage to apply the Const as written, this case wins. And a total civil war begins if they do. Cities aflame coast to coast. The left will scream that democracy has died, the Const and electoral college are enabling white supremacists, etc.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/

[oldno7]

Schumer: Biden ‘Considering’ Forgiving $50,000 in Student Loan Debt via Executive Action
President-elect Joe Biden (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/america-waits-out-the-biden-era/) is “considering” forgiving $50,000 in federal student loan debt for low-income and middle class students, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) said Monday.
Schumer held a press conference alongside Democratic Congressmen-elect Ritchie Torres, Mondaire Jones and Jamaal Bowman of New York, during which the group announced they have “come to the conclusion” that Biden can “forgive $50,000 of debt the first day he becomes president.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/schumer-biden-considering-forgiving-50000-in-student-loan-debt-via-executive-action/

[devo_stevo]

Interesting and brilliant. Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the SC this morning. Suing GA, PA, MI, and WI for running unconstitutional elections.

SC has original jurisdiction in cases between states. Which means, the SC cannot punt by refusing to hear and letting a lower court ruling stand. These justices have to take a stand now.

Implication is, if the election setups are ruled unconstitutional, that doesn't take proof of fraud. It's a straightforward case of how the election laws were changed by governors and election departments rather than legislatures as required in the Const.

If the SC has the courage to apply the Const as written, this case wins. And a total civil war begins if they do. Cities aflame coast to coast. The left will scream that democracy has died, the Const and electoral college are enabling white supremacists, etc.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecy9_kuJWAw

[dougrz]

If the SC has the courage to apply the Const as written, this case wins.

If the SC struck down the elections, there'd be 3 outcomes possible in my understanding.

1. Legislatures call new elections
2. Legislatures appoint a Trump slate
3. Legislatures appoint competing Trump and Biden slates and let the House decide it

#2 I don't see happening under any circumstance.

[oldno7]

Red alert: Chinese boast of operatives 'inside America's core circle of power'Tucker on it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336161955845959680

China (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/china/) influenced American policies for decades through a covert network of “old friends” — sympathizers and agents — who had penetrated the highest levels of the U.S. government and financial institutions before the Trump administration, according to an academic linked to the Chinese government.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/6/china-agents-us-government-helped-influence-policy/

[dougrz]

The PA case that Ted Cruz said he was asked to argue before the SC is along the same lines as the Texas case. ie, invalidating based on the legislature not making election law changes.

If the SC rejects the PA first, safe to say they'll reject this TX suit as well. And probably the converse is true.

[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

The PA case has been brewing for weeks, if not on the minds of the justices for months. I'd expect a ruling this week.

TX case being explosive would take time to argue. But if PA goes down, TX goes down foregone.

[caverdan]

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[Iceaxe]

It will be interesting to see if Rumps packing of the supreme court actually helps him out.

Packing of the SC?!?

Dude, do you have the slightest idea of how our Constitution works? Because you obviously don't understand what court packing is.

What Trump and McConnell have don't is the exact opposite of court packing.

[caverdan]

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[devo_stevo]

Rump appointed three of the justices during his term. Sounds like packing to me. Now to see if they do his bidding for him.
So because 3 justices passed away while he was president, and he did his constitutionally mandated duty of replacing them, he packed the courts? ok. Curious if Hillary was president and did the same thing, you'd call it court packing.

[caverdan]

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[devo_stevo]

Fair enough. I disagree, but that's ok.

Imagine a situation where, let's just say, the results of an election were in question and we had a court that couldn't decide what to do about it because there was an even number of justices and they were at a stalemate as to what their decision would be. Seems like a tie breaker would be useful, but I could be wrong.

[caverdan]

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[Iceaxe]

Rump appointed three of the justices during his term. Sounds like packing to me. Now to see if they do his bidding for him.As I already mentioned, you obviously don't understand our Constitution and how our Republic works... the President was doing his job exactly as required by the Constitution. Get back to me after you finish 8th grade Civics.

And just for the record and to help you get started... a President only nominates a SC candidate. It's congress that appoints them.

[Iceaxe]

Yes I would. Rump should of had to wait on his third choice like Obummer had to.

It appears you also need to work on your history as Obama did not wait. He nominated Merit Garland for the SC. Just as he was Constitutionally required to do. It was congress that did not confirm Garland, as is their prerogative under the Constitution.

At least work on your basic Civics before beginning this crap in here. Obama tried every trick in the book to get Garland confirmed, but in the end the SC judge is not the presidents call.

[dougrz]

Trump appointed three of the justices during his term. Sounds like packing to me. Now to see if they do his bidding for him."Packing" means something specific. The left are masters at changing and using language to lie. Don't contribute to that.

Expanding the court from 9 to 11+ is packing. Appointing as they come along isn't.

Sad thing is, the Dems may very well get 2 flips and 3 total if Biden gets in. Thomas and Alito could pass any moment. And Breyer could pass, or retire. The timing of death doesn't dictate calling it packing.

[Iceaxe]

I'm not sure how tie breakers work for the SC.

If the vote is questioned or deemed fraudulent the election goes to The House with each state getting ONE vote.

If this happens Trump would likely win as Republican states out number Democratic states. This has actually happened twice in our history, 1801 and 1825.

[Iceaxe]

"Packing" means something specific. The left are masters at changing and using language to lie. Don't contribute to that.

Expanding the court from 9 to 11+ is packing. Appointing as they come along isn't.

Sad thing is, the Dems may very well get 2 flips and 3 total if Biden gets in. Thomas and Alito could pass any moment. And Breyer could pass, or retire. The timing of death doesn't dictate calling it packing.
^^^THIS^^^

You have to give Kennedy a lot of props for retiring and allowing Trump to nominate his replacement.

To bad RBG didn't do the same thing when the left begged her to near the end of Obama's rein. The left has no one but RBG to blame for the current make-up of the SC.

[dougrz]

Scenes from the Georgia trail.

The good, the bad, and the unsightly.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/f20cabf7b1eb53a375e01d73403cd808.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/e763100dc79a8d1d92025a9411fb9f5a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/df8aa0168a16b2c35047ebb71caa5683.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/b49e668b5fec8ebaae1e48d0e43e9611.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/f867a004bd4a73febdbb0f5674c9ff3e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/cb40162bbf75e1b768eff541703da764.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/6f94054051965672da478fb5724c7794.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/dc2f0e3086450beafb66d8edfcbb0666.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/0be04a90f848993034f3c2aa90ea8fbc.jpg

[dougrz]

Had an invite to the White House last week.

Entering here.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/7e266bcba220552ac23331382d2c07eb.jpg

[oldno7]

Had an invite to the White House last week.

Entering here.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/7e266bcba220552ac23331382d2c07eb.jpg

Still can't believe you passed the SS BC:haha:

[2065toyota]

How did he 'pack' the court. He appointed justices by law the same way it was designed to. Unless he is behind the deaths of the justices there isn't a way to call it 'packing'

[oldno7]

Heres some precedent if anyone follows such.


Elections Undecided by Midnight are Void & Preempted by Federal Law – Foster v Love (1997; 9-0 Decision)



3 U.S.C. § 2 kicks the decision back to the State Legislatures after a failed election renders the previous results void. Failed elections nullify all votes, not just some votes, not just late votes, not just illegal votes. The election itself is void in late States.
Which States are late? The answer will be a question of first impression for the Supreme Court. But the only fair answer is obvious. If, at midnight, one candidate had enough of a lead, so that there was no mathematical possibility whatsoever of their being caught – after a review of the votes already counted, and the votes remaining – then the final selection has been made on time. But if the outcome was uncertain at Midnight, the State violated the deadline, and its election is void.
This hard mathematical rule will motivate States to develop better comprehensive procedures, and to commit sufficient monetary resources to safeguard our elections from despair going forward. Perfect elections are possible, and developing them is a fundamental purpose of paying taxes. We are a wealthy nation. Get it right.
As to Representative and Senate races, the statutes mandate subsequent elections, but as to presidential electors, 3 U.S.C. § 2 provides a deadline extension to the State Legislatures alone to determine – “in such manner as the legislature of such State may direct” – which electors shall be appointed. This statute simply reiterates the plenary authority in the United States Constitution.
We should find out soon what the State Legislatures will do, because the United States Supreme Court is about to nullify the results of this election in every State that failed to report a clear winner before November 4th.


[W]e have a Supreme Court decision which we must follow, explaining that the word ‘election’ means a ‘consummation’ of the process of selecting an official…The Foster definition of ‘election’ implies that there is only a single Election Day in Oregon, when the election is ‘consummated,’ even though there are prior voting days.”
The 9th Circuit interprets Foster v. Love as mandating that the word “election” means a final selection of an official on Election Day.


WHAT ABOUT BUSH V. GORE?
At this point, you may be wondering, if my analysis above is correct, why the election in Bush v. Gore wasn’t void? It’s a very good question. That nightmare dragged on for 37 days, finally settled by a nebulous opinion, just as the Florida Legislature was getting ready to use the nuclear option to seat Bush electors via bicameral resolution. Incredibly, the answer to this very relevant question is shockingly simple:
That election wasn’t void because nobody asked the court to void it.


CONCLUSION
Consider all of the above in light of the results of the 2020 presidential elections; in Pennsylvania today, two weeks after Election Day, 8000 votes suddenly appeared, and the initial count is still not complete; Arizona has tens of thousands of ballots left to count in the initial canvass; Georgia discovered over 2600 missing votes yesterday, and the entire State is conducting a recount; Wisconsin just announced the details and costs of a forthcoming recount; Michigan is buried in litigation supported by many sworn affidavits alleging irregularities. None of these states consummated their elections on November 3rd. The elections have failed, as a matter of law. The results should be voided.

https://www.thepostemail.com/2020/11/18/elections-undecided-by-midnight-are-void-9-0-decision/

[oldno7]

Republicans Block Inaugural Committee Recognizing Biden as President
“Today, at a meeting of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies (JCCIC), Republicans voted to reject a motion offered by House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (MD-05) that the committee affirm that it is preparing for the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris in coordination with the Biden Presidential Inaugural Committee,” read a statement from Rep. Steny H. Hoyer.
“Senators Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Roy Blunt (R-MO) were joined by House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (CA-23) in blocking the motion, effectively preventing JCCIC from publicly accepting that the upcoming inauguration will be for President-elect Biden,” continued the statement.

https://trishintel.com/republicans-block-inaugural-committee-recognizing-biden-as-president/

[dougrz]

The SC has agreed to hear the TX case. Whole ballgame in that one case.

This is Bush v Gore in magnitude. One ruling can change it all.

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[Scott Card]

Gotta love Texas. When I lived there I swear they considered the state of Texas as the United States of America. The others states were mere appendages. :haha:

[dougrz]

I wouldn't be surprised to see leftist street protests early. For 2 reasons.

1. Their minions have no idea court cases and legit issues exist. They simply believe and have believed it's over. The shock factor will be big.

2. They believe in violence and recognize, correctly, that it works.

[Scott Card]

The SC has agreed to hear the TX case. Whole ballgame in that one case.

This is Bush v Gore in magnitude. One ruling can change it all.

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I disagree with the last point. The Sup. Court taking the case doesn't suggest that 5 justices are prepared to rule in any direction, for or against the plaintiff.

[dougrz]

I disagree with the last point. The Sup. Court taking the case doesn't suggest that 5 justices are prepared to rule in any direction, for or against the plaintiff.Agreed. It means "willing to listen, brief met a threshold of plausibility worthy of not being dismissed."

But consider the political reality of what they did. The courage to even put themselves on the line for now having to rule is enormous.

[oldno7]

No personal confirmation on this, yet.


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[Sombeech]

Here's what y'all need to ask yourselves regarding Trump's plan. Do you think he just planned to "do his best and hope everybody follows the law, and that nobody's corrupt"?

Or do you think they knew who was corrupt in each of these swing states, and how to bypass them, and also expose the corruption in the meantime?

It's the latter. They did not just hope to do a good job campaigning. It was a specific plan, and it continues to be executed daily.

[Iceaxe]

Yo Beech... the Texas case has nothing to do with fraud or corruption... it is based on the fact that the states themselves didn't follow their state constitutions in regards to voting procedures... at least that's my understanding...

[dougrz]

Yo Beech... the Texas case has nothing to do with fraud or corruption... it is based on the fact that the states themselves didn't follow their state constitutions in regards to voting procedures... at least that's my understanding...

Both state and US constitutions. The US says legislatures determine the method of choosing. State constitutions can add to that. But that mere threshold alone invalidates every governor's order (PA), every Sec State order (GA), every court order (WI and PA), etc.

If the US Const is to be read textually. Do we have the 5 textualist bloc in place? Robert's not. Alito, Thomas, ACB prob yes. Kav and Gorsuch I'm not sure we know yet.

Sotomayor, Breyer, and Kagan don't give a damn about the words of any Const, as we all know.

[dougrz]

Another point here is, the SC agreed to hear in the Texas case a broader argument than what was at stake in the PA case. Broader both in terms of legal issues and relevance to the outcome.

Alito declined to issue an injunction in the PA case, but he didn't dismiss it. Does that indicate how he leans in the Texas case? Or does it indicate a merge? Or does it indicate an injunction isn't needed since it'll be settled soon enough anyway?

The media, including Fox, is headlining a loss in the PA case. Not accurate. One article even said, "The SC ruled against the Trump team and there were no dissents." Count the errors. 1, wasn't a Trump suit. 2, SC didn't rule, Alito did. 3, case wasn't decided, issue of injunction was. 4, there are no dissents issued when a circuit presiding judge rules on injunctions.

[oldno7]

Every single red state should join Texas in this.

We either have a Constitutional Republic or a communist society.

We figure that out here....

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Byron]

Hmmm, yummy. I like it. Everybody knew right after the "election" that it would eventually end up in the lap of the SC...and now here we are. Maybe that's why everyone has been so chill about it...nothing to do but wait until the moment comes. As I've said, even my liberal clients know it was all bullshit.

If Trump pulls it off the media will have to eat the biggest dookie sammie in history. Oh God, that would be glorious!

[dougrz]

But consider the political reality of what they did. The courage to even put themselves on the line for now having to rule is enormous.

Well, no, it turns out. The case has been docketed. Put on the calendar and noted. States have been given until Thurs 3 PM to respond. After that the SC decides whether to hear it.

Damn it. Almost there, but not quite.

[rockgremlin]

Civil War II

Trump comes out ahead any way you dice it. Even if the SC rules against Texas' suit and Biden is #46 his inauguration will be shrouded in fraud and corruption.

[Byron]

Civil War II

Trump comes out ahead any way you dice it. Even if the SC rules against Texas' suit and Biden is #46 his inauguration will be shrouded in fraud and corruption.Yeah...I was thinking about that today. What kind of a crowd do you think he'd have at the mall? I wouldn't be surprise if it turned into a melee with Trumpers crashing the party. Ole Biden I reckon would take this whole thing with ashes in his mouth.

[Byron]

Hey Doug...right on with that trip to the White House! Throw down a pic with Trump himself and that'll really be impressive. A few weeks ago I was going to attempt coming out there with you but I ended up with too much on my plate for that to happen. I'm glad you're having a good time and I'm digging your analysis of the legal stuff...diggin' the attitude as well.

Now if things fall into place, wouldn't that be sweet?

[Iceaxe]

Civil War II

Trump comes out ahead any way you dice it. Even if the SC rules against Texas' suit and Biden is #46 his inauguration will be shrouded in fraud and corruption.

I've been saying this exact same thing to anyone that would listen since November 4th.

Turnabout is fair play.

[dougrz]

I've been saying this exact same thing to anyone that would listen since November 4th.

Turnabout is fair play.And what form will it take?

[dougrz]

Well, no, it turns out. The case has been docketed. Put on the calendar and noted. States have been given until Thurs 3 PM to respond. After that the SC decides whether to hear it.

Damn it. Almost there, but not quite.This was a very disappointing turn of events. Initial word for several hours was they "agreed to hear." Then word became "on the docket."

Given Alito's denying the injunction against PA, you'd have to say the odds are against the Texas case being even heard.

The left is pushing the narrative that Texas has no standing to sue, and that might hold sway here. When you consider leftist courts said people couldn't sue before the election because no injury had occured, and couldn't sue after because it was too late, and states can't sue to enforce the Constitution, it all adds up to no serious enforcement mechanism for Constitutional issues about voting.

And that's just to get heard. Never mind the text says legislatures set election rules and we had Sec States and governors and courts doing so instead. Death of the parchment in this area, it seems, if plain words can't be enforced.

[oldno7]

“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”

“Rationalization is a process of not perceiving reality, but of attempting to make reality fit one’s emotions.”

“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.”

“The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.”

“Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.”


“Achieving life is not the equivalent of avoiding death.”

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

“The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live.”

“Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values.”

[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

Thanks for setting me straight. As iceaxe noted....civics is not one of my strong points.But it's interesting you used the term that way. There's a concerted effort in the press to redefine the word. So when the Dems try it they can say it was already done.

Dictionary.com, iirc, quietly changed the definition to just that, sometime in the last month or so. For this purpose. To help Dems do it by changing the language.

The level of thought and speech control we're seeing is astonishing.

[caverdan]

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[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

Several states joined (or support) the Texas suit. And now the Trump legal team has asked in.

Needless to say, this is it. Fail here, and final wind out of the sail of the legal. Legislatures would be the last resort.

But get a hearing and game on.

[Sombeech]

This is how thick the pile of illegal ballots is that will be thrown out:






























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[Iceaxe]

Several states joined (or support) the Texas suit. And now the Trump legal team has asked in.

Needless to say, this is it. Fail here, and final wind out of the sail of the legal. Legislatures would be the last resort.

But get a hearing and game on.

Yeah... but I really think this is the best hope. Everything in one nice big basket and the Supreme Court to decide. Who knows which way it will go, I just hope we get an actual day in court.

[oldno7]

Radically Right is another term that must fall in this catagory too. I've been using it a lot because it rolls off the tongue in a beautiful way.

You've never seen "radical right" in person or on your tv.

But you might....

[Scott Card]

Yeah... but I really think this is the best hope. Everything in one nice big basket and the Supreme Court to decide. Who knows which way it will go, I just hope we get an actual day in court.
This is typically how the Supreme Court likes to handle things... give them the juiciest, meatiest issue. Many cases that get rejected have merit but the issue is not the one the court wants or believes needs to be resolved. Let's hope that the Texas case is the one they want, or that simply due to the number of states involved they will feel a duty to step in and resolve the issue. My real hope is that the vast majority of people in this country still believe in the rule of law. If not, well, buy your toilet paper.

[Iceaxe]

You've never seen "radical right" in person or on your tv.

But you might....
I'd have to say the Bundy standoff might qualify... the demonstrators made it perfectly clear the government could leave or they could have an actual war.

[caverdan]

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[Iceaxe]

I'm not sure how to take that comment.....:ne_nau:
The are 400 million firearms in the US. There are 15 billion rounds of ammunition sold EVERY year in the US.

The day these items come out of the house in large quantities you'll know...

[oldno7]

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These states just filed legal briefs supporting the Texas lawsuit:Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.God Bless them all!






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These states just filed legal briefs supporting the Texas lawsuit:Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.God Bless them all!

[dougrz]

^ Given this many states filing, what would happen if a group of states announced they don't accept Biden as the legit president?

[Iceaxe]

Let's find out!!!

Hahaha...

[dougrz]

https://youtu.be/tzE-Eow4L9Y

Professor John Eastman at a GA hearing, discussing how the election here was conducted contrary to law passed by the legislature. And hence unconstitutional.

Eastman was on the Bush v Gore legal team and is one of my favorite const scholars.

And, he is now the lead counsel in Trump's request to intervene in the Texas case. Eastman is a heavyweight and gives serious legal cred to the case.
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[oldno7]

STATEMENT OF INTEREST OF AMICI

“In the context of a Presidential election,” state actions “implicate a uniquely important national interest,” because “the impact of the votes cast in each State is affected by the votes cast for the various candidates in other States.” Anderson v. Celebrezze,460 U.S. 780, 794–95 (1983). “For the President and the Vice President of the United States are the only elected officials who represent all the voters in the Nation.”

Id. Amici curiae are the States of Missouri,Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas,Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, NorthDakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota,Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.1 Amici have several important interests in this case. First, the States have a strong interest in safeguarding the separation of powers among state actors in the regulation of Presidential elections. The Electors Clause of Article II, § 1 carefully separates power among state actors, and it assigns a specific function to the “Legislature thereof” in each State. U.S. CONST.art. II, § 1, cl. 4. Our system of federalism relies on separation of powers to preserve liberty at every level of government, and the separation of powers in the Electors Clause is no exception. The States have a strong interest in preserving the proper roles of state legislatures in the administration of federal elections,and thus safeguarding the individual liberty of their citizens.

1 This brief is filed under Supreme Court Rule 37.4, and all counsel of record received timely notice of the intent to file this amicus brief under Rule 37.2.


https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163215/20201209144840609_2020-12-09%20-%20Texas%20v.%20Pennsylvania%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Missouri%20et%20al.%20-%20Final%20with%20Tables.pdf

[oldno7]

I hear Florida will also join.

I believe they would have good standing as their election results were timely and Constitutional.

[Byron]

Let's find out!!!

Hahaha...Now that would be awesome. But...I think there's just too much Federal money involved. Federal money everywhere. I too, am hoping the SC brings down the hammer, but I fear it's gonna be a whole lotta talk and not much walk. Seems like Washington is real good at that kind of thing.

[Sombeech]

Just letting you guys know, Trump will serve a second term starting next month, not sure if I've mentioned that yet.

There is no way that Trump loses. All will be revealed in time. He has 4 different ways to win. It's hard to know which way right now because some states just might pull their shit together and decide Treason is kind of a bad deal. But Trump wins in a variety of ways, even if people cave into China's blackmail.

If I told you, it would sound like a crazy movie plot. Just know that Trump wins and we will look back on what happened these 2 months.

[Iceaxe]

Trump better hurry as time is running out... he still needs to defeat the Deep State, Democrats, never Trumpers, and the main stream media....

Right now I think Trump is an extreme long shot...

[oldno7]

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

[dougrz]

Right now I think Trump is an extreme long shot...

Before the Texas case, very low odds. After, a pulse.

I'm now reading about a scenario where Pence as President of the Senate can object to counting the EVs in contested states, causing a vote in the House. Not clear those details yet.

But regardless, I pray for a scenario where Trump remains and the left goes to street warfare. We need to have the fight to settle the country. And our side will never start it.

[dougrz]

I'm reading that Eastman is considered the conservative Dershowitz. Of such stature that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have likely studied and deferred to his arguments. From the academic rather than political world. He clerked for Thomas at the SC.

Given Alito and Thomas are probably solid on TX, and ACB seems so, Kav and Gorsuch are the determiners. Maybe.

In which case getting Eastman to agree to rep Trump is a big deal.

When Rudy went down with CCPv, I thought that was a blessing in disguise. I don't think he plays well on any level. Would have been terrible if he led this intervention request.

[Sombeech]

Trump better hurry as time is running out...

Everything exactly to plan.

Look at what has been exposed when they think Biden won. This was part of the strategy.

Trump has the kill shot coming. All of this "let's see what happens" stuff is strategy. Appear weak when you are strong.

Trust the plan.

[dougrz]

Wisconsin SC case accepted for full hearing, is this correct? I don't see any confirmation of.

Margin there is 20k.

My understanding of the issue is, 200k ballots are from people who marked themselves indefinitely confined due to the CCPv.

The WI Elections Board had overruled state law and exempted such people from the state's Voter ID law.

The board also refused to remove 234k people with lapsed registrations pre-election, as required by state law.

The board also amended the law to allow the mailed-in envelope itself to act as registration, opposite of state law requiring separate registration.

Same issue the TX case makes, of an entity other than the legislature setting election law regarding EVs.

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[oldno7]

Doug, Byron??

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[Sombeech]

Also think of the plan this way; if we know what it is, the Dems know what it is, and they could build a case against it.

When it comes together, kind of like this Texas lawsuit, it will appear out of nowhere. But it was planned long ago.

It will seem like things happened just barely in time, perhaps they got lucky and made a last minute shot, but it was planned long ago, to come at this time, late enough that the Dems couldn't build a case against it.

Trust the plan, it's in motion and it is working.

[dougrz]

^ The chair of my county's R party declined to certify the machine count as well. She requested a side by side check on them with other machines. Our county used Dominion.

[dougrz]

I'm seeing word many of the states are seeking intervention, not just filing amicus briefs. Not sure if that was clear yesterday to many. Meaning, as full co-plaintiffs, not just filers of friends of the court.

[dougrz]

In looking back at Bush v Gore, note this section from the Wikipedia article on it.

The Texas case is more about the Article II grounds than Equal Protection, from what I can see. Back then, it was the 3 textualists wanting Article II upheld. Boils down to having a textualist majority or not, in ACB, Thomas, Alito, plus Kav and Gorsuch. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201210/0d1a168a05732d726ce220f57b752e18.jpg

[uintafly]

Before the Texas case, very low odds. After, a pulse.

I'm now reading about a scenario where Pence as President of the Senate can object to counting the EVs in contested states, causing a vote in the House. Not clear those details yet.

But regardless, I pray for a scenario where Trump remains and the left goes to street warfare. We need to have the fight to settle the country. And our side will never start it.

You understand you are batshit crazy right?

How does that prayer go by chance? "Dear Jesus, please allow your true and anointed leader, the pussy grabber in chief, to steal an election he lost. Thereby forcing people who believe a little different than me into violent street warfare and a civil war. This country had a great run, but I really want to kill people that think different than me. I have been playing lots of video games and consider myself quite the badass, but need to take it to the streets and really test my resolve. In the name of Jesus and Ayn Rand, Amen"

[dougrz]

You understand you are batshit crazy right?


And you understand you voted for literal control of the US by the Chicoms? And if not direct with blackmail material on Biden, then through people who have little substantive policy and/or govt purpose differences with them.

So yeah, I consider Biden voters as anti American, traitorous, or ignorant. Which are you?

[uintafly]

And you understand you voted for literal control of the US by the Chicoms? And if not direct with blackmail material on Biden, then through people who have little substantive policy and/or govt purpose differences with them.

So yeah, I consider Biden voters as anti American, traitorous, or ignorant. Which are you?

I do like Kung Po Chicken. Will the Chicoms provide that for us?

Oh and do you have any real evidence of this control? Or the blackmail material?

What is your opinion of all of the foreign held debt your dear leader has?

[rockgremlin]

but I really want to kill people that think different than me.


Ummm...I think if you want to hang this label on any one party, it would be the hard left lynch mob of Antifa and BLM.

How many riots did conservatives start post election? How many cities burned when the media labeled Biden the presumptive winner of the election?

NONE.

[Byron]

Thereby forcing people who believe a little different than me into violent street warfare and a civil war. This country had a great run, but I really want to kill people that think different than me. I have been playing lots of video games and consider myself quite the badass, but need to take it to the streets and really test my resolve. OK...I think Thanos would approve. :2thumbs:

[Sombeech]

You understand you are batshit crazy right?

The taste of this upcoming victory grows sweeter by the day.

[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

We're on SC watch here in mere hours. Range of possible results, from bad to good.

1. Dismiss
2. Ask for response from plaintiffs to defendant's response. This indicates some level of willingness to hear.
2. Hear, with no injunction
3. Hear, with injunction

Injunction would be to prevent either/or/and states from certifying EVs or the college itself from voting.

[dougrz]

For the Article 2 issue at hand, the question is this: can boards or courts or single elected officials set rules for selecting electors? Or do only legislatures set the rules?

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2:

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives..."

The left will argue "legislature" means govt in general. Boards, courts, governors, officials included, since the legislature established all these organs of govt. And further, that tinkering with the rules of an election and ballots isn't really changing the underlying fact that an election is the "manner" the legislature "directed."

Textualists will argue the "legislature" means the legislature and law, literally. And once the law is set it can't be tinkered with and must be followed.

For example, the Sec State of GA waived the signature verification rules in a consent decree. Did that sufficiently alter things to violate the "manner" in which the "legislature" "directed" the selection to occur?

For example, the PA Supremes extended the deadline for ballots received past election day, even though state law says that is not allowed. Did that sufficiently alter things to violate the "manner" in which the "legislature" "directed" the selection to occur?

Etc.

[2065toyota]

I'll tell you what else is batshit crazy. Your boy is one tweet away from starting that war that "your side will never start"

That mean orange man tweeted something that hurt my feelings. :cry1:




I think that gives me the right to burn anything I want down and steal anything that want because you know, I have feelings and they got hurt:facepalm1:

[Iceaxe]

That mean orange man tweeted something that hurt my feelings. :cry1:

For the win!!!

[Sombeech]

Some people think that a "Civil War" might be coming. It's not. It's a war with China. We are already at war with China. Literal war. War is not always on a battlefield. It does not always involve guns, shooting, tanks.

Wars are fought by either Invasion, and/or Infiltration. This war with China, in the most literal sense, has been waging for years already as the latter.

Wars are not to merely kill a lot of men. They are fought to conquer. This war, which China has waged years ago, has placed Chinese spies, and even Nationals in high powered positions. Politicians, Judges, Governors, even the lower board members, and of course most of the mainstream media. Even Fox News, which is "Controlled Opposition".

This is not a "yeah I could see it that way", no, it is literal. There are many traitors in our country in positions of power and influence. Some people may take a little while longer to see this. It's such a crazy concept that most people cannot realize it all at once. This is why the "Great Awakening" must happen in slow small steps, little bites that can be easily digested.

China owns Biden. China owns many Democrats, even Republicans. Just look at the Eric Swalwell scandal that broke with Fang Fang. These revelations are timed, planned, and part of the strategy to wake up our patriots.

When you see this, you might realize the push about a decade ago for "Chinese Immersion" into our schools, where the students would be taught the Chinese language every other day, varied by school district. Can you see it now? Why wasn't there a Spanish Immersion program? Wouldn't Spanish be far more valuable? Chinese. This war has been under our noses for years, decades.

Trump and our Military knows this, and has planned every step. This election is won for Trump, don't worry. Just sit back, enjoy the show, watch the craziness, laugh at how desperate they try to "fact check" the literal events that are happening. It only sweetens the victory that much more. My friends, you will continue to see one hell of a show. But once you take the red pill and begin to see what's really happening, the show only gets better.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popc orn::popcorn:

[Byron]

That mean orange man tweeted something that hurt my feelings. :cry1:




I think that gives me the right to burn anything I want down and steal anything that want because you know, I have feelings and they got hurt:facepalm1:For the most part my liberal friends and clients have come in two forms in the last two years, especially...they're either pissy and defensive or they don't say anything at all. They know damn well what the deal is. But in their minds, the ends justify the means...which IMO, is a direct conduit for truly evil and selfish people assuming power.

I saw these yard signs before the election...alongside Biden were others that said "Restore Sanity"...OK, define friggin' "sanity".

[Byron]

Some people think that a "Civil War" might be coming. It's not. It's a war with China. We are already at war with China. Literal war. War is not always on a battlefield. It does not always involve guns, shooting, tanks.

Wars are fought by either Invasion, and/or Infiltration. This war with China, in the most literal sense, has been waging for years already as the latter.

Wars are not to merely kill a lot of men. They are fought to conquer. This war, which China has waged years ago, has placed Chinese spies, and even Nationals in high powered positions. Politicians, Judges, Governors, even the lower board members, and of course most of the mainstream media. Even Fox News, which is "Controlled Opposition".

When I was in the Navy in the early 80s, I learned a lot about the military power of the US. I was in intelligence...which meant I had a security clearance and worked exclusively with officers in the most important rooms. I read things I wasn't "supposed" to read...want to know what I learned? Nobody on this planet would stand a chance against us in a toe to toe...not even the Soviet Union. And they knew it. We had the ability to sink every single surface ship and submarine they had, anywhere on the planet, within minutes. We knew exactly where everything was and assets to destroy it hot on their heels at all times. That's why I never was concerned about war with them...unlike my friends that talked about digging holes in the ground.

China would get their asses kicked, too. And they know it. But I certainly agree with you Beech...we've been at war with them for at least 30 years. I think they had a big shift in ideology after Tiananmen Square...and their ability to infiltrate us was laid right at their feet. Courtesy of greed. Isn't that something?...the Capitalist showed up and exposed their jugular.

They're just going to poke and prod but mostly just sit back and watch us tear ourselves apart. The media, the politicians and the elite using sex, race and gender as weapons of division to maintain their status. The Chicoms will promise them wealth and privilege eternal but in the end the "lower classes" as we all are will be working for THEM.

I never believed WWlll would be a shooting war...but in wondering in what direction humanity would take by the middle of this century is coming clearly into focus. The lay of the land is being shaped by people making moves...and they can rig elections, too. That's the masterstroke.

[dougrz]

The opposing briefs to Texas don't argue law. They argue emotion. "...undemocratic overturning of an election would send us into the realm of dictatorship...," "seditious abuse of the legal system..."

SEDITION to file a lawsuit.

CNN: "This lawsuit is insane..."

This is a legal case. Even given my preference for the Texas side, there is at least some legal argument for the other side, even I recognize that. Damn, argue your legal side and Constitutional take rather than blather.

But in reality, that's all the left has. From white privilege, to trashing our history, to the scamdemic. All of it hysteria and devoid of intellect.

[oldno7]

The only election being overturned is a Trump Presidency.

Everything else is projection.

[Sombeech]

When I was in the Navy in the early 80s, I learned a lot about the military power of the US. I was in intelligence...which meant I had a security clearance and worked exclusively with officers in the most important rooms. I read things I wasn't "supposed" to read..

Now just imagine, if China knew you had valuable strategy info against them, and had a way to secretly get in contact with you, if they offered you $2B and said they would help you make it look like legit business earnings.... would you take it?

Many politicians have become rich this way. I don't fault them completely for that, it's a very hard deal to turn down. But people are starting to see this has been happening for years. Obama didn't make his millions from a friggin' book deal. And we truly don't know Obama's real net worth, nor Clinton, nor Biden, nor many propaganda pushers in the media.

And with China getting all kinds of benefits going their way with devaluing their currency, they can offer billions to tons and tons of people. They've almost got unlimited money they can bribe people with. This means nearly unlimited power of influence.

[Iceaxe]

What if China knew they were losing the current cold war with the US? What if they understood it was Trumps strategies that had their economy in shambles and brought their country to its knees....

....what if they released a pathogen designed to equalize the battlefield and remove Trump from office?

[BasinCruiser]

If you know, you know.

95890

[Byron]

What if China knew they were losing the current cold war with the US? What if they understood it was Trumps strategies that had their economy in shambles and brought their country to its knees....

....what if they released a pathogen designed to equalize the battlefield and remove Trump from office?Bingo. Another thing I learned while in the service is that if the battle isn't going your way, sprinkle some chemical or biological agents over the field of battle and you've got a stalemate real quick.

[dougrz]

"Innocent parties pound the facts, guilty parties pound the table."

Consider the battle lines of who has actually filed or requested status:

PA Gov/SecState(both D) v PA Speaker/MajLeader (both R). Who better reps the "legislature" as written in the Constitution?

GA Gov/SecState (both R) v GA legislators (all R).

Detroit v the President.

20 states v ~20 states.

How could the SC in good conscience not settle this? Branches of govt opposing each other on an epic scale. Or maybe the SC uses that as a reason to stay out. Arguing it's better to let Federalism and the messy battles of governance settle things.

I can see it going either way.

[oldno7]

how does this end peacefully?

https://i.postimg.cc/2yjqhGXr/Map-Chart-Map.png

[oldno7]

Is it even possible to nullify voters that don't exist?:ne_nau:

Whom would be disenfranchised, dominion, dead people, printing machines?

As put forth by Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin.

[dougrz]

^ I came to the understand in the 90s we had to split up. The ball keeps rolling that way.

You can certainly say in our hearts we have seceded from each other. We are not one nation. In name only.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/TT3immC.gif

[dougrz]

For the conservative movement, for decades we have worked to secure a Constitutionalist Supreme Court.

Decades of supporting Repubs we didn't like. Decades of donating and working and calling and arguing and persuading.

Now it seems to have boiled down to this. In the nation's moment of need, will all our work have paid off? Will the court read the plain text of the Const and order it followed?

Or like everything else in society, will the rules be bent to benefit the left?

The conservative movement dies much faster now if they deny this. Hell of a lot of people are going to say, what has the point been?

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/mPvrdzK.png

or it's not.....

[caverdan]

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[Byron]

/\/\/\...nice little comeback.

[BasinCruiser]

What if China knew they were losing the current cold war with the US? What if they understood it was Trumps strategies that had their economy in shambles and brought their country to its knees....

....what if they released a pathogen designed to equalize the battlefield and remove Trump from office?


Speaking of China....Do they have a bigger footprint and power in our businesses and politics than one might think? Do they have people at the top of Wall Street companies doing their bidding? Why do they detest Trumps much? What ties and power do they have with Biden? What power do they have with the big tech tyrants (Google, Facebook, etc).

Danny B covers these questions here in a pretty good layout of the land.


http://youtu.be/WGiYBK5A5Sg

[oldno7]

ZING

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/87635/hemingway_jpg-1726147.JPG

https://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif


https://i.imgflip.com/4q0kt3.jpg

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/temp-96.gif

[oldno7]

Terrible camera work but these machines are not capable of being controlled or manipulated.:roll:


https://streamable.com/yzrypo

[Byron]

1978...I was 15 years old and I asked my dad "What's the story with Ted Kennedy?"

These are his exact words..."He was getting a blowjob and crashed his car and left the girl there to die". That's it, that's all he said.

So now whenever that guy's name comes up, it's the only thing that comes to mind. Since then, I've learned a lot more details about how it all went down, before and after. That guy was a stinking piece of shit.

[Iceaxe]

I think our dad's might know each other... because that is exactly how my father described it to me... LMAO...

[uintafly]

1978...I was 15 years old and I asked my dad "What's the story with Ted Kennedy?"

These are his exact words..."He was getting a blowjob and crashed his car and left the girl there to die". That's it, that's all he said.

So now whenever that guy's name comes up, it's the only thing that comes to mind. Since then, I've learned a lot more details about how it all went down, before and after. That guy was a stinking piece of shit.

Let's not be to quick to jump to conclusions. Are we sure he wasn't going down on her????

[Byron]

Let's not be to quick to jump to conclusions. Are we sure he wasn't going down on her????Uh...I think you'd pull the car over if you're going to eat her out...doesn't work so well if she's driving, y'know?

[dougrz]

SC refused to hear the TX case. Unbelievable blow for the text of the Constitution. Election laws rewritten by unelected departments, governor's orders, and consent decrees at will.

7-2 against even hearing. Only Alito and Thomas would have heard. ACB, Kav, Gorsuch aren't textualists.

[psl53]

???

[dougrz]

In reading about the TX refusal, one opinion writer said this:

If the Constitution is a contract between states, and the court says a state doesn't have standing to sue to see the contract enforced, then how does the contract have force?

[Byron]

Well that's it, gentlemen. The United States Government is officially a popularity contest...with the participants chosen buy who the media and the big money string pullers determine.

It's all for our own good, don't ya know? These people are just so much smarter than the rest of us and they're certainly working in our best interests...warts and all. Nobody's perfect so give them a break. Trump wasn't supposed to be there in the first place...he was just a mean guy doing bad things. We're all better off for him being rejected.

Now we can look forward to wonderful bliss.

[caverdan]

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[caverdan]

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[Sombeech]

Keep in mind, the Texas case didn't even exist a week ago.

This isn't the plan. Hang in there. Texas just did what Texas does, tried to go yeehaw on everything. It was a sideshow, and not the plan.

But look what happened in the meantime, look at all of the states that proved their support. It did some good along the way, but it was just an option.

[Sombeech]

One more thing, Trump will soon be banned from Twitter, as foretold years ago by Q. Maybe even within a week.
When you see on Twitter, "my fellow Americans, the storm is upon us", you know some pretty serious stuff is happening.

Then when he's blocked, the Emergency Broadcast System will be used.

Remember what you would have thought, if 1 year ago somebody told you they'd be censoring and removing conservative accounts, and placing a fact check under every Tweet from POTUS. Seemed very unlikely.

Trump will be blocked completely. Blacked out. Then comes the EBS. Some frickin crazy show is going down and I'm loving every minute of it.

[Byron]

Trump will be blocked completely. Blacked out. Of course he will...he came in a puked all over their plans. They're pissed as hell...they want to humiliate him and everybody that favors him. They want him erased from history...they'll do everything they can to make sure no one in his family has a chance. Total annihilation. It's like the Wizard of Oz...they're behind the green curtain pulling on levers and they'll never let anyone near that curtain again.

So for four years they took faceplants one after another and all they had to do was get more little black circles than he did...and they made damn sure that happened.

Isn't the "certification" of this supposed to be coming up? At that point, they'll pronounce Biden as the President Elect. Done deal.

So Trump has about a month to pull a rabbit out of a hat...and if he does that I'll personally proclaim you as the most awesome dude on the planet. But it sure looks like he's a lonely man on an island right now. Even the Supreme Court gave him the finger...Oz, indeed.

[rockgremlin]

Well that's it, gentlemen. The United States Government is officially a popularity contest...with the participants chosen buy who the media and the big money string pullers determine.

It's all for our own good, don't ya know? These people are just so much smarter than the rest of us and they're certainly working in our best interests...warts and all. Nobody's perfect so give them a break. Trump wasn't supposed to be there in the first place...he was just a mean guy doing bad things. We're all better off for him being rejected.

Now we can look forward to wonderful bliss.

Big government knows what's best for all of us.

Oh yeah and the Constitution is just the outdated ramblings of old, slave owning white men. How could that possibly be relevant anymore? It's amazing people still hold it in such high regard.

[/sarcasm]

[caverdan]

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[Byron]

How about a little blast from the past?...kinda sums up this year, actually.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CJ9EDtZ2p8

[Sombeech]

How about we convince the right wing wackos that biteme is a Chinese nationalist and invoke the insurrection act. :facepalm1:

The protests in Washington today should provide some much needed radical right entertainment. :popcorn:

What I really want is some of what Beech is smoking....:mrgreen:

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Tweet-encourages-coup-by-Trump-supporters-15795943.php

The problem is, Dan, I really think you believe this shit.

From the link you posted, I just want to know, do you actually read these things you post? I really want to know.

Let's talk about this latest link you posted. First of all, the featured photo of the article is not the "tweet" itself, it's just a photo of the retard that wrote the article. A big photo, not a little side photo of the author, but a big prominent focus.

Nowhere in the article is even a screenshot of the tweet, the so called damning tweet that is calling for a Coup. That might be another clue that the article is trash.

This line made me chuckle:
"Sidney Powell, most recently employed as one of Trump’s lawyers and tasked with uncovering non-existent election fraud,"

I think you still believe there was no election fraud. All other problems with this article are moot points, because if you still believe in articles like this, I've got nothing for you.

Do you still believe there was no fraud?

[Byron]

I don't think he believes in anything.

[dougrz]

When you see on Twitter, "my fellow Americans, the storm is upon us", you know some pretty serious stuff is happening.

Since I'm not entirely up on the news, did he already say this?

[Sombeech]

Since I'm not entirely up on the news, did he already say this?No, not yet. There is a lot of speculation with this, along with most Q drops. Some think it will be when they attack the Whitehouse, trying to literally drag him out. But honestly it might even come well into his 2nd term also. There are still a ton of things that are supposed to happen, and it might be a long process.

One thing is for sure though, Trump will serve his second term. This is certain.

Here's a good read, if you know about some of the Q posts. Basically, Q posted thousands of "drops" or posts, giving small details to the plan, over the past 3 years. Some numbers you see are not necessarily dates, but steps in the plan. Many have thought events would happen close to when they were posted, but this plan has been set years ago. They knew what would happen with the election, cheating, and even the status of the Supreme Court. We ALL want justice, and a lot of us want it right now. But that's not how to win a master chess game. Moves and counter moves. It takes time, but undeniable victory.

They cannot simply arrest the guilty so fast. The people must understand it first, so it's not overturned later. Realize the public that continues to learn of corruption, it grows daily.

The military is the key. Military tribunals will come. So here's a thread, there are a lot of codes and sentence fragments, but this references the Executive Order made 2 years ago, detailing foreign involvement in our election. They truly knew what was happening.

45 days.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1337563384749895680.html

[Byron]

I'm diggin' it, man...believe it or not Beech, I'm still holding out that Trump and this whole mystery crew behind him is going to bring down the hammer. But I must say part of me thinks it's total fantasy...he got beat down and they're grinding him under foot. It would be spectacular and glorious if it does happen, though. It would change the world.

I just returned form a massage from a very liberal hippie, spacey head in the clouds, unicorn rainbow kind of gal. Last time I saw her she was quite dismayed by the "shut down" and the effect on her business. Told me she'd be voting for Trump because of it, which shocked the hell out of me. Previously, her Facebook page was damn near anti-Trump as Tom Jones is...but the pain she'd suffered was put square on the liberals that run our state.

Anyway, tonight she and I got talking about the virus...we hadn't really talked about it much before, but she asked my "opinion" of it. All I said was "It's not good, sweetheart...not good at all. What I'd have to say about it is pretty damn ugly". I figured I'd leave it at that, not wanting to go into a big discussion.

She went on a bit of a rant. Said the whole thing seems nefarious to her and that the "next one" they unleash is going to kill hundreds of millions, if not billions of people...all in the name of "saving the planet". She's suffering from depression and having a hard time breaking out of it...but in the end she just said "I'm going to live my life and hope for the best, even though God knows what's coming next".

I couldn't help but wonder "How many others are thinking the same thing?"...including myself. I was getting a cup of coffee and the teenage girl that served me had a mask with the symbol for the Umbrella Corporation on it...that's from the Resident Evil movies...the evil corp that unleashed a nasty virus on mankind. She even had it freshly tattooed on her arm. I asked her how many people recognized it, she said "A few". A teenage girl, looking at her future as a hopeless pit.

So yeah...it would be nice to see some of these hypocritical a-holes get what they deserve.

[caverdan]

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[caverdan]

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[dougrz]

Interestingly, in the 1960 election, Hawaii did not make its final EV certification until the day before Congress opened EVs in January. Plus they had multiple certifications of elector slates. The December safe harbor deadlines don't bind Congress since it has the final say on which electors to count.

This article is from 2000 during the Gore v Bush stalemate, and discusses what happened in Hawaii.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2000-pt18/html/CRECB-2000-pt18-Pg26609-2.htm

Mr. Speaker, yesterday's Supreme Court ruling stopping the recount of Presidential votes in Florida was most unfortunate.

In his dissent Justice Stevens refers to the 1960 Hawaii Presidential election as an example that the provisions of Title 3 of the United States Code do not mandate that the recount must have been completed by December 12: ``[the provisions] do not prohibit a State from counting what the majority concedes to be legal votes until a bona fide winner is determined. Indeed, in 1960, Hawaii appointed two slates of electors and Congress chose to count the one appointed on January 4, 1961, well after the Title 3 deadlines.'' (Bush v. Gore, slip opinion at 30.)

So that Members have the benefit of the full story of the 1960 contested Presidential election in Hawaii, I want to present its story and lessons.

The Florida Presidential dispute contains all the elements present in the 1960 Hawaii Presidential election: an apparent winner on election night; a contest by the apparent loser; a [[Page 26610]] court-ordered recount; the certification of one set of electors by the Governor while the recount was under way; a court decision declaring the apparent loser the winner after a recount completed after the date the State's electors met; competing slates of electors presented to the Congress; and a joint session of Congress choosing which slate of electors to accept.

The resolution of that dispute provides valuable guidance for the Congress and the Nation as we try to determine the next President of the United States.

The results of the 1960 Presidential election in Hawaii between Richard Nixon and John Kennedy originally showed Nixon a winner by 141 votes. Based on those results, the Republican slate was issued a certificate of election by the Acting Governor on November 28, 1960. The results were challenged by 30 Democratic voters who filed suit to require a recount in 34 of the State's 240 precincts. The suit was opposed by the State's Republican Administration, which contended that there was not sufficient time to complete the recount before the December 13, 1960 deadline for certifying electors, six days before the December 19, 1960 date set for the electors to meet.

The Republicans also argued that if some of the votes were to be recounted, all the votes should be recounted.

The recount began on December 13, 1960. By the time the electors met on December 19, 1960, only one-third of the votes had been recounted, but Kennedy had an 83 vote lead. Based on the earlier certified results, the Republican electors met and cast their three votes for Nixon. The Democratic electors also met and cast their votes for Kennedy even though they did not have a certificate of election from the State.

The recount was not concluded until December 28, 1960. Kennedy was declared the winner by the court by 115 votes. The court entered its judgment on December 30, 1960.

When Congress met to count the electoral votes on January 6, 1961, it had before it three certificates from Hawaii. The first was the certificate of the Republican electors dated December 19 accompanied by the November 28 certificate of the Acting Governor of Hawaii that the electors had been appointed as a result of the November election.

The second was the certificate of the Democratic electors dated December 19, 1960 casting their votes for John Kennedy.

The third certificate was from the Republican Governor of Hawaii dated January 4, 1961 certifying that the Democratic electors had been elected ``agreeably to the provision of the laws of the said State, and in conformity with the Constitution and the laws of the United States'' as ``ascertained by judgment of the Circuit Court.'' The Governor annexed a copy of the court's decision to the certificate of election.

Vice President Nixon, sitting as the presiding officer of the joint convention of the two Houses, suggested that the electors named in the certificate of the Governor dated January 4, 1961 be considered the lawful electors from Hawaii. There was no objection to the Vice President's suggestion, and the three electoral votes from Hawaii were cast for John Kennedy.

This result was supported by both Senators from Hawaii, Republican Hiram Fong and Democrat Oren Long and Democratic Representative Daniel K. Inouye.

The precedent of 40 years ago suggests the means for resolving the electoral dispute in Florida: count the votes under the supervision of the court pursuant to Florida law, both slates of electors meet on December 18 and send their certificates to Congress; the Governor of Florida send a subsequent certificate of election based on the decision of the count supervised by the court accompanied by the decision of the court; and Congress accepts the slate of electors named by the Governor in his final certification.

Under this procedure Florida need not rush to complete its recount in an attempt to meet unrealistic deadlines set by the court or the legislature. The key date is not December 12 or December 18. It is January 6, the date on which the electoral votes are counted. As the 1960 experience of Hawaii shows, the Florida recount does not have to be completed until just before the electoral votes are counted. ____________________

[dougrz]

^ If in the weeks before Jan 6 enough Repub Reps become convinced of the fraud and illegality, this race can be taken by Pence and the House.

It would lead to Holy Hell civil conflict, no doubt. But it can be done.

[Byron]

I believe I've won this bet and tomorrow will seal the deal. :haha:

I believe Beech is a man of his word and will pay me my winnings when Biteme is sworn in on the January 20th.:cool2:

I believe that Rump is not some great leader with a master plan to overthrow the government to stay in office. :fitz:

I believe Rump is a reality TV star that has let power go to his head with the largest ego this country has ever witnessed. :2thumbs:

WWSL has given us quite a show so far. He's made bullying and calling people names very presidential and is a great role model for all you Rumpsters that have kids and worship his Bogleyness. :popcorn:

I believe I should bow out now....watch the show and wait for my winnings. :bandit:

For those of you that want some right side reading....here is where I've been going to get it. https://www.volusiacountyrepublicans.org/pro_trump_websitesI reckon you must really hate us, huh? I suspect you've been lurking occasionally over the last few years swilling that horrible taste in your mouth every time you came in here to look around. It must be joyful to see all of us right wing freaks getting our faces rubbed in it, right? You're distain for Trump is certainly palpable...I suppose that goes for anyone that favors him as well...myself, Ice, Beech, Oldno...just to name a few. We're all assholes...one and all.

So you may be leaving now, huh? Well I'm sure as hell not going to miss ya. I was willing to listen to what you had to say when it was reasonable, but if you've really got nothing but the finger for me, I've got nothing but the finger right back at you. Funny thing...you really don't understand what it is about Trump and what he represents that's important to us...but actually, I think you do.

I think you're a miserable person. Good luck.

[Byron]

Here ya go, Mr. Dan...maybe give this a listen on your way out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKAcdoRTRiY

[caverdan]

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[Byron]

Come on man....I'm still hoping and planning to add discussion here on this board. Well then you go right ahead...no one is telling you you can't. Spike the football if you win your little bet...I would.

Just be careful about throwing a wet blanket over everyone else here. You don't suggest having lunch with a man one day and then call him a mindless moron the next. If you wanted to dive a little deeper into you philosophy on things I would reckon everyone around here would like to hear it...but you don't reveal much...therefore it puts people on their heels when you swing the guns around.

It looks like you like to fly in the "neutral" zone and that's fine, but I think you understand full well that the men you're engaging with around here aren't a bunch of dummies. If you're going to sit around the campfire with everybody then get the smirk off your face...perhaps reveal a bit more of how you think about all this and you'll get a lot more respect. Speaking for myself, of course.

Nothing personal, Mr. Dan...just take it easy with that wet blanket thing.

[Iceaxe]

It appears Sidney Powell is not done releasing the Kraken yet... this is a very interesting video. I'm surprised Youtube hasn't censored it yet. One thing she's saying that really hit home was about Trump's 2018 executive order. She mentions this as does General Flynn... Sounds to me like a done deal. Trump will be going this route as soon as he gets DNI John Ratcliffe's report on the 18th... No way in hell are the Democrats going to steal this without a bloody battle... Not with people like Sidney Powell on the case... AND, with all the tools Trump has available to him... I was feeling bad when I saw how corrupt the Supreme Court was, but it doesn't matter. Stay tuned....

https://youtu.be/pKfK8jkSwPA

[dougrz]

The fight is brewing toward a showdown in Congress on Jan 6.

You think we've seen chaos and street violence and media hysteria this year? Nothing would compare to this.

Past Jan. 20 would mean Pelosi as president.

Which would happen if Pence challenges EVs as the presiding officer of the joint session, under the format done in 1960, and the House is unable to decide.

Unable to decide because probably a good number of Repubs will refuse to back Trump EVs. So as the battle raged, Rs not willing to back Trump would have to decide if Pelosi is an acceptable outcome.

And Trump/Pence have to decide if the risk of Pelosi is worth it. I'd say yes since Biden/Harris/Pelosi are all the same anyway.
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[dougrz]

What is the SolarWinds hack story, and is it related to Dominion?

[dougrz]

12th Amendment footnote. Only the top 3 EV vote getters can be president. If a compromise candidate is to emerge, it will take a faithless elector today casting a vote for him.

[dougrz]

The group that received access to the 22 Dominion machines in Michigan via court order released their findings.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/security-group-says-it-audited-dominion-voting-machines-declares-them-a-national-security-issue_3617693.html?v=ul

“We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results,”*read a report (pdf)*from Allied Security Operations*Group*released on a website belonging to Matthew DePerno, a local lawyer representing a plaintiff involved in the case. “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud.”

Pdf of their report:
Link: https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Attachment: http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5fd7a80c7d146/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_% 5Bredacted%5D.pdf

[dougrz]

First big win. WI Supreme Court rules the suspension of the Voter ID law was unconstitutional.

They didn't grant the remedy of throwing all those ballots out, but did allow a case by case basis throw out if someone falsely claimed a covid reason for no ID.

Interesting development.

[Sombeech]

You may think the winning is happening, but when it's over, you'll realize we haven't even begun.

Bigger than you can imagine.

[Sombeech]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/1HikPww1.png

[oldno7]

I believe so far, Georgia has gone this route as well.





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpN8qeGXUAAANWx?format=jpg&name=medium

[oldno7]

^^^https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1338537446838071304

[oldno7]

Sounds like several states will send 2 sets of electors in January.


Fat lady sighs....

[oldno7]

Still looking--But--"reliable sources" say Nevada is sending 2 sets of electors as well.

[oldno7]

Capitol closed--no access to GOP electors.

Sounds like SC material.


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/487048/1607976111086_png-1730875.JPG


https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1338569994767101956

[oldno7]

BREAKING: State Police Block GOP Electors From Entering Michigan Capitol to Cast Votes For President Trump – No Reason Given! (VIDEO)
The Electoral College is meeting today to formalize the 2020 election results.
The Trump campaign is contesting election results in several states due to massive voter fraud and irregularities so Republican Electors are stepping up and casting procedural votes to preserve the legal challenges.
So far Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania electors cast their votes for Trump and Pence today.
President Trump was way ahead of Joe Biden in Michigan on election night when a massive ballot dump 100% for Joe Biden appeared at 4:30 AM the day after Election Day.
TRENDING: BREAKING BOMBSHELL: MI Judge Grants Attorney Matt DePerno Permission To RELEASE Results Of Forensic Examination On 16 Dominion Voting Machines In Antrim Co. [VIDEO] (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-bombshell-mi-judge-grants-attorney-matt-deperno-permission-release-results-forensic-examination-16-dominion-voting-machines-antrim-co-video/)
A group of GOP electors on Monday arrived at the Michigan state Capitol to cast their votes for President Trump.

“If you have a problem, you can contact the Governor’s office.” the police said giving no reason for why the building is locking down.
The Trump elector asked for the Sergeant at Arms, but the police officer said he was in a meeting.
The GOP electors were redirected to Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s office!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-state-police-block-gop-electors-entering-michigan-capitol-cast-votes-president-trump-no-reason-given-video/

[BasinCruiser]

95897

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-nevada-gop-electors-cast-ballot-trump-now-dueling-electors-three-states-video/

[oldno7]

May be the reason chyna is trying to kill off world population and get chyna joe elected. Chyna joe will give away US farm products to his masters.



China Under Food Crisis: Is the Situation So Worse in China That They Are Forced To Import 100,000 Tons Of Rice From India After 30 Years?
For the first time in 30 years, China has been forced to buy rice from India. Why? Because rice is the staple food item for two-third of Chinese and china may not have enough of it. A few months ago, there was news about how China can be facing a bigger food crisis. The coronavirus, floods, epidemics, locus, and trade wars triggered a food shortage. With President Xi Jinping launching a public campaign to control wastage. Several Chinese experts say ‘ china could be in the middle of food crisis’ Beijing has deployed its entire media machinery to fight this charge, the state heads have made claims of food crisis’ with editorials opinion, and videos but they have not been able to kill the story and now china is buying rice from China while the border standoff continues. It could not be more clear China is short on food supply.

https://www.inventiva.co.in/stories/china-under-food-crisis-is-the-situation-so-worse-in-china-that-they-are-forced-to-import-100000-tons-of-rice-from-india-after-30-years/

[oldno7]

nuthin to see here



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The FEC's allowable Error Rate is 1 in 250k, or, 0.0008%According to MI Forensics Audit of 16 Dominion Machines, error rate was 68.5% #AlliedSecOpsGroup (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlliedSecOpsGroup?src=hashtag_click)MI Dems have since ordered all 83 Counties to DELETE all election and software data from Dominion machines.@OANN (https://twitter.com/OANN)




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The FEC's allowable Error Rate is 1 in 250k, or, 0.0008%According to MI Forensics Audit of 16 Dominion Machines, error rate was 68.5% #AlliedSecOpsGroup (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlliedSecOpsGroup?src=hashtag_click)MI Dems have since ordered all 83 Counties to DELETE all election and software data from Dominion machines.@OANN (https://twitter.com/OANN)




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[oldno7]

dual electors, again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpOiV7kU0AAbBjN?format=jpg&name=medium

[BasinCruiser]

95898

[dougrz]

95898Upload this at a higher resolution.

[oldno7]

The results of a court ordered audit of voting machines in Michigan.

Reports show fraud and outright lies by Michigan SOS.

Very interesting read.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-report

[oldno7]

Many things in report but look at #16

#19

[Sombeech]

I just wanted to say again, dougrz is out there doing the work in Georgia, kudos. I was listening to Steve Bannon's war room session today, talking to John Fredricks, discussing the hard work happening in Georgia and finding registered voters.

[dougrz]

The results of a court ordered audit of voting machines in Michigan.

Reports show fraud and outright lies by Michigan SOS.

Very interesting read.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-reportIncredible. This is where Trump invoking his EO to seize machines comes into play.

[dougrz]

I just wanted to say again, dougrz is out there doing the work in Georgia, kudos. I was listening to Steve Bannon's war room session today, talking to John Fredricks, discussing the hard work happening in Georgia and finding registered voters.That's kind, thanks. I literally just walked into my hotel room to work on my toe. An ingrown nail on a big toe, damn it. Terrible timing. Of all things to take my down. Between here and AZ I've done maybe 8k houses and 500 miles and a damn nail takes me out.

I need some pain cream or a shot just to numb it. What is the best remedy, just digging in and cutting the nail and dealing with the short term pain?

[Sombeech]

That's kind, thanks. I literally just walked into my hotel room to work on my toe. An ingrown nail on a big toe, damn it. Terrible timing. Of all things to take my down. Between here and AZ I've done maybe 8k houses and 500 miles and a damn nail takes me out.

I need some pain cream or a shot just to numb it. What is the best remedy, just digging in and cutting the nail and dealing with the short term pain?

Some lidocaine cream might help, and a lot of ibuprofen

[Sombeech]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/NpsFyDgR.jpeg

[DirkHammergate]

I gotta admit, I thought I wouldn't see this in 2020. Then again, there is about a thousand things I didn't think I'd see in 2020, so.

Hey Beech, what's gonna happen to Mitch when Trump is inaugurated for a 2nd term on January 2020? Jail time, maybe?

https://www.fox13now.com/news/election-2020/mcconnell-congratulates-joe-biden-as-president-elect

[rockgremlin]

What is the best remedy, just digging in and cutting the nail and dealing with the short term pain?


YES -- I've had to do that before. It sucked but was worth it. Just make sure to clean it out really good because the last thing you want is for infection to creep in.

I would recommend having a doctor do it preferrably.....do you have Obamacare?

[BasinCruiser]

Upload this at a higher resolution.

https://twitter.com/Eyconik/status/1338228261483110403?s=20

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/yDiRqQh.jpg

[Sombeech]

Hey Beech, what's gonna happen to Mitch when Trump is inaugurated for a 2nd term on January 2020? Jail time, maybe?


Why would Mitch go to jail?

[oldno7]

I gotta admit, I thought I wouldn't see this in 2020. Then again, there is about a thousand things I didn't think I'd see in 2020, so.

Hey Beech, what's gonna happen to Mitch when Trump is inaugurated for a 2nd term on January 2020? Jail time, maybe?

https://www.fox13now.com/news/election-2020/mcconnell-congratulates-joe-biden-as-president-elect


The Horror: Midnight Mitch Will Seat More Trump Judges Before The Next Term
While most of the political media is doing end-zone dances to celebrate the electoral college results and looking forward to Joe Biden’s inauguration, work is still quietly taking place in the office of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Time is running out for the current edition of Congress, but Midnight Mitch still has some work in front of him. This seems to horrify some of the reporters at NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/final-push-judges-mcconnell-will-cement-lasting-legacy-trump-n1250950?cid=eml_nbn_20201214), who perhaps thought that the entire Republican Party had simply disappeared yesterday. But McConnell has a few more judges to confirm on behalf of President Trump, pushing the Senate’s already legendary record of hammering through confirmations to even greater levels. And as the linked analysis points out, this is going to produce a lasting effect in support of conservative principles that will be with us long after Donald Trump has left the field of battle.
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/12/15/horror-midnight-mitch-will-seat-trump-judges-next-term/

[DirkHammergate]

Why would Mitch go to jail?

For legitimizing Biden. I mean, if Trump is going to be inaugurated for a 2nd term I'd be worried about those consequences on January 21st because for that to happen America will basically be a police/military state.

[Iceaxe]

Hey Beech, what's gonna happen to Mitch when Trump is inaugurated for a 2nd term on January 2020? Jail time, maybe?

You really don't follow Politic's much do you?!? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Midnight Mitch is a bright shining conservative star!!! If you don't believe me just ask Merrick Garland. :lol8:

[Sombeech]

For legitimizing Biden. I mean, if Trump is going to be inaugurated for a 2nd term I'd be worried about those consequences on January 21st because for that to happen America will basically be a police/military state.
Just so I understand, are you saying it's OK to jail your political opponents?

OK

[Sombeech]

Funny posts with "friends" on facebook. I'm the top post replying to an article about Trump losing.

I'd post the image here but it's a long scroll.

https://files.catbox.moe/pkv8j7.jpg

[DirkHammergate]

Just so I understand, are you saying it's OK to jail your political opponents?

OK

Nope, not at all. Goldilocks seems to be okay with it. That was my point.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-lin-wood-retweet-georgia-kemp-going-to-jail-164005473.html

[Sombeech]

Nope, not at all. Goldilocks seems to be okay with it. That was my point.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-lin-wood-retweet-georgia-kemp-going-to-jail-164005473.html

Ok gotcha, and those calls to indict Dubya Bush when Obama was elected, those were just silly jokes. Hell, I've got "friends" already excited that Trump will be indicted this Spring (because of what exactly, not sure), but they are the same EXACT Democrats that are appalled at chants of "lock her up".

Isn't it strange that the Democrats have a long history of calling for prison time of their political opponents? Yet you are butthurt that Trump RETWEETED something.

I want to know, were you relieved that the chants of "lock her up" never turned into anything? Or are you still convinced Trump is working for Putin and Mueller just missed it?

[DirkHammergate]

Ok gotcha, and those calls to indict Dubya Bush when Obama was elected, those were just silly jokes. Hell, I've got "friends" already excited that Trump will be indicted this Spring (because of what exactly, not sure), but they are the same EXACT Democrats that are appalled at chants of "lock her up".

Isn't it strange that the Democrats have a long history of calling for prison time of their political opponents? Yet you are butthurt that Trump RETWEETED something.

I want to know, were you relieved that the chants of "lock her up" never turned into anything? Or are you still convinced Trump is working for Putin and Mueller just missed it?

Dude, I don't get butthurt about anything, let alone nonsense tweets. I follow Goldilocks just for nonsense purposes and laughs. I just think Putin has something on Trump because he just doesn't stand up to him in any fashion. The bounties on soldiers in Afghanistan, that shits appalling he sat on his hands on that one. As little respect I had for the guy before, I was just like "wtf is wrong with you? Like, brain damage?"

I get the extremes on both sides want to litigate their opponents for perceived offenses. The "Lock her up" phenomena seems unusually different, I don't know what to make of it. I regularly watch the Governor's Covid press conference, literally every time Angela Dunn starts talking the comments section on the feed implodes. Stuff like "she should be fired" to "let's jail her". There is something unseemly that has boiled up from it. Again, I don't know what to make of it other than social media commentary is a worse than crawling in a 3rd world sewer for 10 days straight.

I do have "Someone kidnaps Angela Dunn, puts her on trial for suggesting to wear a masks" on my 2021 bingo card. I whiffed on like everything in 2020. I'm going strong in 2021.

[BasinCruiser]

95906

[Iceaxe]

^^^I know that was a joke... but in reality...

Democrats were reading their own press clippings and figured they had 2016 in the bag and didn't really plan well...

Also... the pandemic allowed for numerous opportunities to exploit the system and cheat that didn't exist in 2016.

[Byron]

Indeed...also, Mr. Dan said it best right after the election..."The one percenters were done with him". That sentence in and of itself pretty much nailed it for me.

It's too bad, too...because that way the "progressive"/elite/oligarchy/Illuminati did it damn near solidifies their ability to do it at will. It's a shame to see that even Fox has abandoned him. I think A LOT of backroom deals were made before this election.

[oldno7]

Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

The Energy Department and National Nuclear Security Administration, which maintains the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile, have evidence that hackers accessed their networks as part of an extensive espionage operation that has affected at least half a dozen federal agencies, officials directly familiar with the matter said.
On Thursday, DOE and NNSA officials began coordinating notifications about the breach to their congressional oversight bodies after being briefed by Rocky Campione, the chief information officer at DOE.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/nuclear-agency-hacked-officials-inform-congress-447855


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KKDHtfElZY&amp;feature=emb_logo

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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