2020

[oldno7]

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[dougrz]

^^^Yeah.... but I think you're bat shit crazy... so there is that.

LMAO....The board will get a first hand report on my battiness from Byron tonight.

The truth will emerge!

[oldno7]

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[dougrz]

https://i.postimg.cc/d3Q254Tv/Eix-Slkc-Uc-AUZTAk.jpgThese &*!+ bastards. Justice would mean thousands jailed for treason.

[Iceaxe]

The board will get a first hand report on my battiness from Byron tonight.

The truth will emerge!
November 4th we'll know if you're bat shit crazy or not ;-)

[dougrz]

November 4th we'll know if you're bat shit crazy or not ;-)Damn it, you always have a good retort.

[Byron]

The board will get a first hand report on my battiness from @Byron (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=20436) tonight.

The truth will emerge!Oh shit!...regarding my opinion on just about anything would most likely be taken with skepticism considering I'm just as crazy as anyone else.

I just don't walk up and down the street waving my arms above my head and talking to myself.

[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

For Dougie Downer....

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[Byron]

^^^My new theory is that @dougrz (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=26963) is in reality a troll for the ultra progressive left. His objective is to sway public opinion in favor of neo-progressive values. This is accomplished by using hyperbole and despair to illustrate a scenario where resistance to liberalism is futile. Where conservatism and capitalism are struggling to take their final breaths from the deathbed while the juggernaut of liberalism is poised to put the final nail in their coffin forever.

After spending a few hours over at Dougs place for a grilled up dinner last night, I can assure you that your theory (in jest or not) is a full 180 degrees from reality. You and I, Rock, have both remarked "Something's gotta give"...and Doug is just the kind of guy that is seriously considering what that might actually be.

Doug's cool. And I can tell you this...if things get ugly he's got your six, that's for damn sure.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Biden’s Texas Political Director Implicated in Massive Mail-In Ballot Harvesting Scheme in Harris County (https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/28/bidens-texas-political-director-implicated-in-massive-mail-in-ballot-harvesting-scheme-in-harris-county/)
A Biden Campaign operative in Texas is attempting to rig the 2020 election with the help of others in a massive ballot harvesting scheme, according to two private investigators who testified under oath that they have “video evidence, documentation and witnesses” to prove it. With the help of mass mail-in ballots, the illegal ballot harvesting operation could harvest 700,000 ballots, one Harris County Democrat operative allegedly bragged.
The investigators—a former FBI agent and former police officer—claim that Biden’s Texas Political Director Dallas Jones (https://twitter.com/_dallasjones?lang=en) and his cohorts have been “hoarding mail-in and absentee ballots” and ordering operatives to them fill out for people in Harris County illegally, “including dead people, homeless people, and nursing home residents in the 2020 presidential election,” Patrick Howley of the National File (https://nationalfile.com/bidens-texas-political-director-accused-of-illegal-ballot-harvesting-at-texas-supreme-court/)reported.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/28/bidens-texas-political-director-implicated-in-massive-mail-in-ballot-harvesting-scheme-in-harris-county/

[BasinCruiser]

So, Biden has yet to consent to an inspection prior to tonight’s debate to make sure he’s not wearing an ear piece, and needs a break every half hour to change his depends, have a box juice, and take a nap.

95439

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-asks-for-breaks-every-30-minutes-during-debate

[BasinCruiser]

Uh-oh. Rumors ....


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https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/biden-has-been-given-debate-questions-in-advance-says-jerome-corsi/?fbclid=IwAR14aYwhGNymCg0bgVuKA334ZBp0l-749HgpM4ENg1xILmUJQk7WvvTJkps

[Iceaxe]

^^^Yeah... NO...

Chris Wallace is not a Trump fan, but he is one of the few news reporters that still delivers the actual news. I don't see Wallace destroying his reputation this late in his career for Biden.

[dougrz]

My sense is the SC appointment is working against us on the whole at the moment. I say that remembering the gut punch Scalia's death was and how hard it motivated me. That's working for the other side now. That might change once the hearings start, a la the Kavanaugh lynching.

We need a Biden melt down tonight to turn this. The Trump mo has stopped and this is slipping away again.

[Iceaxe]

^^^What?!?^^^

You think the SC nomination is working against the right?!?

What a surprise!!!

/End Sarcasm

[Byron]

My sense is the SC appointment is working against us on the whole at the moment. I say that remembering the gut punch Scalia's death was and how hard it motivated me. That's working for the other side now. That might change once the hearings start, a la the Kavanaugh lynching.

We need a Biden melt down tonight to turn this. The Trump mo has stopped and this is slipping away again.I disagree...I would say this thing couldn't have landed softer in our laps. Romney, Murkowski, Collins...they'll all be on board. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin gets on board, too.

Who gives a shit what the liberals think about it? This is friggin' war, man. The Republicans don't need to do anything to appease those assholes...they wouldn't do a damn thing for us.

[dougrz]

Subject to change if the Dems go nuke in the hearings. But the fear motivation factor is with them. Way too much satisfaction on our side. I see it eroding the work effort in the office. 2016 was desperation, and that led us to victory.

[dougrz]

Silver lining from the debate: my overconfident Repub circle has been shocked into realizing we're likely to lose, that Trump will not and cannot save this. It's up to us on the ground.

Marxism at the gates, boys. The mood at HQ here is deeply somber, as it should have been for the last 8 months.

[Iceaxe]

^^^What?!?^^^

You think the sky is falling?!?

What a surprise!!!

/End Sarcasm

[rockgremlin]

Marxism at the gates, boys.


:roll::roll::roll:


OMG with the hyperbole all the time....



my overconfident Repub circle has been shocked...

Speak for yourself. If Trump loses the world will go on. As I recall, Republicans were screaming that the sky was falling when Obama took office, but that didn't amount to much.

Have you considered Xanax?

[Iceaxe]

Silver lining from the debate: my overconfident Repub circle has been shocked into realizing we're likely to lose, that Trump will not and cannot save this. It's up to us on the ground.

Marxism at the gates, boys. The mood at HQ here is deeply somber, as it should have been for the last 8 months.

You sound exactly like all the idiots on the radical left thinking Trump is going to destroy the world. Your taking refuge in the country sounds exactly like their move to Canada plans..

Don't fall for the scare tactic's used by either sides. I survived just fine under Clinton and Obama. My life has been much better under Trump, mostly because of what he did for the economy and small business, but I'll be just fine and survive either way.

USAUSAUSAUSA :flag:

:soapbox:

[dougrz]

You sound exactly like all the idiots on the radical left thinking Trump is going to destroy the world. Your taking refuge in the country sounds exactly like their move to Canada plans..

I want what all you Utahans have. A reasonably normal state to live in. Rural is a financial move, I believe money moves there as immigration ramps up. Rural is also a lifestyle move.


but I'll be just fine and survive either way.

As will I, I've got mine and can work from anywhere, I'm blessed. But saying that makes me sick. I care about this country and its history more than myself.

[dougrz]

:roll::roll::roll:


OMG with the hyperbole all the time....


What do you consider CA to be? Marxist, liberal, moderate? Supermajority D legislature, perpetual D govt and policy. More radical with every passing year. OK with that? Gas car sale ban deadline. Locking down at will. Huge 2A restrictions. Taxes and regs to no end. Conventional energy ban deadline. Brainwashing orders for schools.

Does anything matter? Or is it all ok no matter what? Has the country ever faced the threat of the one party perpetual D rule that'll come with an amnesty bill and the chain migration to result from it?

[rockgremlin]

What do you consider CA to be? Marxist, liberal, moderate? Supermajority D legislature, perpetual D govt and policy. More radical with every passing year. OK with that? Gas car sale ban deadline. Locking down at will. Huge 2A restrictions. Taxes and regs to no end. Conventional energy ban deadline. Brainwashing orders for schools.


I hear ya, Doug. I cannot understand why anybody in their right mind would want to live in Californistan.

BUT...

There is change afoot. Right now there is a mass exodus out of that state by rich and poor alike. Some very high profile celebrities are fleeing the state, and taking their money with them. Real estate prices are dropping and availability of long haul moving vans is becoming very tight - especially in San Francisco. The Democrat constituency in California has started to question the integrity and competency of their leaders, and many more have bailed. This is a trend that won't slow down until there is a change in the policies and/or leadership. So yeah, it's bad right now...but it won't last forever or else there won't be anyone left.

And it will be a very long time before Utah ever gets that bad. There is a very tight-knit core of rabid liberals in SLC -- which is why SLC hasn't had a Republican mayor since Jake Garn in the 1970's. But outside of SLC it's very Conservative, which might be in part due to the strong LDS community, which is traditionally always very right leaning.

[Iceaxe]

which might be in part due to the strong LDS community, which is traditionally always very right leaning.

I always found it interesting that a religion with socialist underpinnings generally leans to the right on politics and community values... so there is hope.

:2thumbs:

[dougrz]

I always found it interesting that a religion with socialist underpinnings generally leans to the right on politics and community values... so there is hope.

:2thumbs:There's an old axiom about life that religious folk mastered in times passed. Standards and expectations in society are king, but compassion and leniency rule for interpersonal and family relationships. That's a beautiful way to live.

[BasinCruiser]

I hear ya, Doug. I cannot understand why anybody in their right mind would want to live in Californistan.

BUT...

There is change afoot. Right now there is a mass exodus out of that state by rich and poor alike. Some very high profile celebrities are fleeing the state, and taking their money with them. Real estate prices are dropping and availability of long haul moving vans is becoming very tight - especially in San Francisco. The Democrat constituency in California has started to question the integrity and competency of their leaders, and many more have bailed. This is a trend that won't slow down until there is a change in the policies and/or leadership. So yeah, it's bad right now...but it won't last forever or else there won't be anyone left.



As I see more and more reports and stories of these exocudus' from these uber liberal blue regions (Cali, NYC, Chic, etc.) to red regions (Texas, Utah, Nev, Idaho), I can't help but wonder and be very suspicious if part of that exodus isn't part of the underlying liberal agena. We have all seen the sayings and said - don't move from your liberal $&%^hole state here to my red state and bring your liberal votes here to turn it into the same craphole you left. But, is getting liberals out of the dominant left states to move to conservatie states part of their plan, initially to subvert the electoral college? They are learning to quit wasting their votes in heavy blue regions, and losing in battleground regions by narrow margins . Are these governors and state delegations purposefully driving people out of their heavy (population wise) blue leaning states on purpose to contaminate and push other states more blue?

[dougrz]

But, is getting liberals out of the dominant left states to move to conservatie states part of their plan, initially to subvert the electoral college?

Yes. If you understand leftism is a religion, and further understand the duty of adherents to spread its gospel, it becomes clear. Young tech leftists can work anywhere, and tech companies have been moving into the red states in droves for years. They view it as a religious advance to colonize the free states.

[Iceaxe]

The Democrats are spending a fortune in Utah trying to defend Ben McAdams seat in the house.

[rockgremlin]

Here's the debate schedule:

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How did you like when Wallace out of the clear blue sky went off topic and pinged Trump with questions about his controversial tax returns? That was a gotcha tactic specifically designed to smear Trump. Why didn't he ask Biden about his dementia or his sexual assault allegations?

[rockgremlin]

Liberal comedian says Joe Biden lost the debate.

This is another reason why I believe the party is turning away from Biden - because he's a walking death rattle who has already committed to further fund law enforcement and the military. Here he is in the debate openly shunning progressive policies of universal health care and the Green New Deal.

Marxist at the gate? I think not.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFB1LDUajZc

[dougrz]

Since you all were wondering what a small campaign office looks like. I'll split time this year between a Repub office and a specific Trump one. Or maybe not much of the Trump one. This state I seriously doubt can be flipped, so working out of the Trump office would consist of phone banking to other states and not much else of actual end value, imo.

Daily routine consists of whatever is needed. From paper stuffing to walking to escorting candidates on their walks to answering phones to database work to calling to poll watching to election judging. This is the nuts and bolts of campaigns.

I started in 2008, seeing the threat Obama posed. The infrastructure that year was decent. In terms of resources to the offices and coordination. 2012 was incredible, with a lot of money into field offices, slick media, with tons of phones, computers, people, etc. 2016 was absolute bare bones, like a city council level run. It was shocking how minimalist and under resourced. This year it's about 2008 level.

It's remarkable how utterly grassroots our side is. Just absolutley normal, average people coming in to work. Makes for some great connections and good developed friendships.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201001/200c46c789d9774f561be2cf70c5dd4c.jpg

[dougrz]

Liberal comedian says Joe Biden lost the debate.

This is another reason why I believe the party is turning away from Biden

Marxist at the gate? I think not.

We just see the winds differently. Back in March or whenever Biden became clear, I ended up predicting a 70% chance of a Dem sweep.

It's pretty close to that still. The senate sits as follows:

AZ +D, 95%
CO +D, 80%
ME +D, 2/3
AL +R, 99%
MT hold R, 2/3
IA hold R, 55%
GA hold R, 55%
GA hold R, 50/50
SC hold R, 50/50

We're looking at +2D definite to +6D within reach, and +7D worst case. +3D is the number to flip it if Biden wins. And Biden winning I'd put at 85% now. His handlers have run the good stealth campaign we all feared after Bernie went down.

Turnout is more motivated by anger and fear than anything else in politics. The anger level at Trump is higher than anyone to ever run, imo. It eclipses whatever disappointment may pop up at this very late stage with some Biden words. D wins on that turnout handily. The only marginally similar scenario, in terms of disgust at an incumbent, is Carter in 1980. That first Reagan level landslide for D is not outside the realm of possibility.

[rockgremlin]

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Things I like about this picture:

- The full size Reagan cutout in the back.
- "We are going to paint this town red, white, and republican" poster.
- No masks. (What an outrage!!)
- American flags everywhere.
- That's a nice pink blouse you have on.

[dougrz]

- That's a nice pink blouse you have on.

Look at it this way. I'd have been in a D-Day wave knowing the truth of survival was small. But I'd go.

I'd have been on the boats crossing the Delaware to face trained, professional Hessians knowing the same. But I'd go.

I don't care the odds, I will fight to the end. But I don't need false encouragement to motivate me. If you were facing cancer with a 10% chance, you'd want a cheerleader doc or an honest doc? I demand the truth.

Add: there's nothing you can say to insult me. You are on the team, period. Get out and work on this.

[rockgremlin]

Look at it this way. I'd have been in a D-Day wave knowing the truth of survival was small. But I'd go.

I'd have been on the boats crossing the Delaware to face trained, professional Hessians knowing the same. But I'd go.

I don't care the odds, I will fight to the end. But I don't need false encouragement to motivate me. If you were facing cancer with a 10% chance, you'd want a cheerleader doc or an honest doc? I demand the truth.

Add: there's nothing you can say to insult me. You are on the team, period. Get out and work on this.


I'm a little baffled at the response. The intent of my comment was to get a laugh, not get a rise.

??? :ne_nau:???

Did you think I was trying to insult you?

[dougrz]

I'm a little baffled at the response. The intent of my comment was to get a laugh, not get a rise.

??? :ne_nau:???

Did you think I was trying to insult you?Misunderstanding then. Thought you were remarking that my negative outlook made me a wuss.

Story behind my response. I was flipped off by a Corvette driver a week ago when I wasn't going fast enough in the left lane and took too long to get out of it. This was a city street with a 45 limit. We ended up turning the same several next corners. I caught him and saw a Trump sticker. I pulled up alongside, rolled my window down. He looked over and I gave a thumbs up and yelled Trump. He was shocked but smiled back.

That.

[rockgremlin]

Misunderstanding then. Thought you were remarking that my negative outlook made me a wuss.


Nah man...we might not see eye to eye on politics but I respect the hell out of you. I might rib you or chide you for your overly pessimistic outlook but would never intentionally try to insult you.

[dougrz]

What do we need to win this?

1. A huge turnout from our side, of those who see the cliff's edge of one party rule we're on.

2. A quick Trump recovery to lay raw the basic lie of the virus risk.

3. Dem viciousness in the ACB hearings.

In that order of importance. The only one we little peons can affect is no. 1. Get on it.

[Iceaxe]

Dougie Downer... LOL....


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[dougrz]

Dougie Downer... LOL....


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201003/ed7a1758554d06a310304c28275ea4dc.jpgThere are 2 sky is falling scenarios. 1, it's falling because of Trump and we need to elect Dems. 2, warning it will fall if Dems sweep and do what they say they're going to do.

Do you doubt 2?

Add: did my first walking this cycle today. More sophisticated setup, with an app to map and track places to hit. Far beyond 2016 and beyond 2012, though 2012's printed packets were damn good. (The app is Campaign Sidekick, in the app stores. Don't know if this is just R or a 3rd party maker and available to all sides)

Regardless, I got no sense of some silent majority groundswell. Same old same old reactions in the 3 hours. Just reporting how I see it.

Add2: To add color, places are rated 1 to 5 in GOP election data. 1 hard D, 2 squish D, 3 indep/unaffiliated, 4 squish R, 5 hard R. We were hitting 2 to 4 today. In my thinking I needed to see some elevated good from 2 and 3 and didn't. Anger at Trump was more common than concern about lawlessness and riots.

Am I a product of CA, southern AZ, and now CO, all Dem places? Maybe and I hope so. I don't know what a place is like that isn't Dem and filled with shake your head idiots, I guess.

[dougrz]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/reminder-to-american-jews-civilization-is-fragile
Iceaxe, tell me what you think of that article.

[rockgremlin]

That article is doggie doo doo. It says "nearly all blacks and the majority of every other ethnicity have embraced the Left." Strongly disagree with that assertion. So according to this article almost half the country has embraced the Left.

Sounds like wishful thinking.

[Byron]

There are 2 sky is falling scenarios. 1, it's falling because of Trump and we need to elect Dems. 2, warning it will fall if Dems sweep and do what they say they're going to do.

Do you doubt 2?

Add: did my first walking this cycle today. More sophisticated setup, with an app to map and track places to hit. Far beyond 2016 and beyond 2012, though 2012's printed packets were damn good. (The app is Campaign Sidekick, in the app stores. Don't know if this is just R or a 3rd party maker and available to all sides)

Regardless, I got no sense of some silent majority groundswell. Same old same old reactions in the 3 hours. Just reporting how I see it.

Add2: To add color, places are rated 1 to 5 in GOP election data. 1 hard D, 2 squish D, 3 indep/unaffiliated, 4 squish R, 5 hard R. We were hitting 2 to 4 today. In my thinking I needed to see some elevated good from 2 and 3 and didn't. Anger at Trump was more common than concern about lawlessness and riots.

Am I a product of CA, southern AZ, and now CO, all Dem places? Maybe and I hope so. I don't know what a place is like that isn't Dem and filled with shake your head idiots, I guess.In spite of all this...I just can't believe that Trump, after all he's been thru, after all those that have come after him...it would be Joe Biden of all people to take him down.

To this day I feel that the Dem party more or less just threw the election...they had to fight off Bernie and Joe was the last man standing. They can polish turds, they can sell an ugly dog, but they can't beat Trump with a guy who's done nothing more than shit himself for 50 years.

I don't care about the media, the pols, the brainwashing, the hype, nonsense, bullshit. I'm hopeful and quite assured that Trump will remain the Prez...four years from now we'll see what the lay of the land is.

"I won't think about that today. I'll think about that tomorrow"...works for me.

[Iceaxe]

I'll just leave this here....


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[rockgremlin]

I'll just leave this here....


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Yeah but this time it's different...

[Sombeech]

Yes, THIS TIME Biden is campaigning SO MUCH BETTER

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[dougrz]

Actually he is running a good campaign. Say as precious little as possible as the media savages Trump. There's nothing to point to as risk with him. Pointing to his followers isn't enough.

It's why we needed Bernie. He would have been yelling everyday about his leftist plans. Unhideable.

The race became yes-no on Trump, with "no" meaning nothing in particular. Rather than yes-leftist, where not yes meant something. They knew what they were doing by anointing Biden over all the others. The blandest, most meaningless candidate was their correct angle.

Dennis Prager today made a prediction. With a Dem sweep, we will see Maoist China level public admissions of guilt against leftism become the new normal.

[rockgremlin]

^^^Again with the most extreme hard left prediction imaginable. "Marxism is imminent!" "Next stop Communism!"

The 2020 election has somehow turned into Red Dawn rising. :roll:

[dougrz]

^^^Again with the most extreme hard left prediction imaginable. "Marxism is imminent!" "Next stop Communism!"

The 2020 election has somehow turned into Red Dawn rising. :roll:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ohio-state-professor-cancels-himself-for-praising-football/

Read about this story. Mao level confession on display.

If you see BLM and the riots as the college classroom come to the entire country, the next phase is clear. Consider how that classroom has been imposed on us with no resistance. Because there isn't any to be had anymore. No meaningful power lies with us. Not corporate, political, or cultural. We observe and comment about what's happening and little more at this point.

I don't know where we go or if a counter movement can evolve. I thought Trump was that start in 2016, an uprising of common sense Americanism. But the 2018 wipeout said otherwise. It's a statement about media and tech power, not a judgement on the truth of our side. It's hard to fathom how weak our position is. How can truth lose in the good old USA, afterall.

There's an old Lenin iirc quote, "Show me the classrooms of today and I'll show you the country of tomorrow."

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[rockgremlin]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ohio-state-professor-cancels-himself-for-praising-football/

Read about this story. Mao level confession on display.

If you see BLM and the riots as the college classroom come to the entire country, the next phase is clear. Consider how that classroom has been imposed on us with no resistance. Because there isn't any to be had anymore. No meaningful power lies with us. Not corporate, political, or cultural. We observe and comment about what's happening and little more at this point.

I don't know where we go or if a counter movement can evolve. I thought Trump was that start in 2016, an uprising of common sense Americanism. But the 2018 wipeout said otherwise. It's a statement about media and tech power, not a judgement on the truth of our side. It's hard to fathom how weak our position is. How can truth lose in the good old USA, afterall.

There's an old Lenin iirc quote, "Show me the classrooms of today and I'll show you the country of tomorrow."


You know, the last time this level of Communist fear was present here in the USA was back in the 1950's. The ideas you're pitching are not new.

So why didn't the Soviets take over the US in the 1950s -- during the height of McCarthyism and Red Scare politics?

I still find it slightly amusing that you (or anyone) still thinks we live in a two-party system. My take is that we live under a regime of Corporate Capitalism where two political parties vie to be subservient to big corporations. Why else would 8 years of an Obama presidency yield next to nothing -- even in the face of so many promises and so much absolute control?

[dougrz]

So why didn't the Soviets take over the US in the 1950s -- during the height of McCarthyism and Red Scare politics?

We had a base population with American values. So the left did the next best thing, took over the factories of people and minds: schools and media. They've conquered those in totality.



I still find it slightly amusing that you (or anyone) still thinks we live in a two-party system. My take is that we live under a regime of Corporate Capitalism where two political parties vie to be subservient to big corporations.

I agree. The Bush R party and Dems had essentially merged at the altar of corporate globalism. The Trump R party represented a break from that. But the Corp globalists are done with him. They got the tax cuts and dereg, but now want open borders and open trade. They prefer Dems, believing they can lobby to minimize the bad aspects.

[oldno7]

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[dougrz]

This guy is the sweetest, nicest host you'll ever see in this partisan era. No idea how anyone thought he'd have the weight to moderate a debate with Trump in it.

Granted he'll be biased, but I can't see him raising his voice.

[dougrz]

Jimmy Failla: Trump is on pace to win 2020 election in a 'lawn-slide'

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-win-2020-lawn-slide-jimmy-failla

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I have to say, this struck me in 2016, the staggering number of lawn signs in Iowa vs Clinton's. And Iowa was a blue wall state, recall. Was 10 or 20 to 1 then.

Let's add complacency to the Dem side since they're growing so confident now.

[rockgremlin]

Jimmy Failla: Trump is on pace to win 2020 election in a 'lawn-slide'

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-win-2020-lawn-slide-jimmy-failla

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I have to say, this struck me in 2016, the staggering number of lawn signs in Iowa vs Clinton's. And Iowa was a blue wall state, recall. Was 10 or 20 to 1 then.

Let's add complacency to the Dem side since they're growing so confident now.


Good article. And as always, the comments are hilarious. :2thumbs:

[dougrz]

If Trump loses the popular by 5% or so and somehow squeaks in EVs? There will be nationwide insurrection of a civil war level, imo.

[rockgremlin]

There will be nationwide insurrection of a civil war level, imo.


What do you mean by this? What does "nationwide insurrection" look like?

Haven't we seen insurrection in Seattle, Portland, and Kenosha already?

[Scott Card]

Good article. And as always, the comments are hilarious. :2thumbs:

I saw this one and laughed:

"I am from Massachusetts also and outside the city I find that firewood for sale is in second place followed by Biden!!!!!"

[dougrz]

What do you mean by this? What does "nationwide insurrection" look like?

Haven't we seen insurrection in Seattle, Portland, and Kenosha already?We've seen it in some key cities. But I think it would spread to hundreds or thousands of cities. If Trump wins both the pop and EV, less so, and in those same type of locales you named. Uniquely a large loss in pop, narrow win in EV scenario. To them it would emphasize the "structural racism" yada yada of the Constitution and draw the revolutionaries out in force.

[lovefive]

i dont get it ! president trump was not that bad of a president ! why do people not love him ?

[oldno7]

hmmm-is this in regards to Trump declassifying the russia hoax?


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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

The president’s tweets come after Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe declassified documents that revealed former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s purported “plan” to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia as “a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server” ahead of the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-authorizes-declassification-of-all-russia-collusion-hillary-clinton-email-probe-documents

[oldno7]

You guys will let me know if "the chair is against the wall"?:mrgreen:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Message to Intel: ‘This is Over, Hand Over All the Evidence of Russia Hoax NOW’Rep. Kevin McCarthy noted what a colossal waste of time the “Russia” investigation has been, focusing on a fake story when we’ve been trying for so long to get the real story. He said that when the letter from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe (https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/chairman-graham-releases-information-from-dni-ratcliffe-on-fbis-handling-of-crossfire-hurricane) to Sen. Lindsay Graham was released, leaders of Congress wanted to have a meeting about it right away. Seems in all this time no one in either the House or Senate had seen this information. “This should drive every member of Congress,” he said, “to go get the underlying information that John Ratcliffe has just made transparent to the world.”
Looking back now, the timeline of events is just tragic. In July of 2016, key people are briefed that Russian intelligence has picked up that Hillary’s campaign was creating a false narrative about Trump “colluding” with Russia to take attention off Hillary’s email scandal. Then-CIA Director John Brennan personally briefs President Obama and others of this on July 26. “Crossfire Hurricane” is conveniently (for Hillary) opened just a few days later, on July 31. When former FBI Director James Comey is asked about this briefing last Wednesday, he says it “Doesn’t ring a bell.”
We know this is a lie. Investigating a major presidential candidate for being an agent of Russia is a huge deal, the details of which are not something that would simply escape one’s memory … unless perhaps we’re talking about Joe Biden’s memory.
McCarthy calls this “the biggest news that didn’t get reported.” True, last week was a big week for news, but there was plenty of time before the report that Trump had tested positive for COVID-19 to get it out there.

https://stream.org/message-to-intel-this-is-over-hand-over-all-the-evidence-of-russia-hoax-now/

[rockgremlin]

Why didn't this release of declassified documents happen sooner?

Considering the election is less than a month away this tactic kind of smells of desperation. Not to mention the media is gonna under-report the hell out of it.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/Mgt12YB.png

[oldno7]

Why didn't this release of declassified documents happen sooner?

Considering the election is less than a month away this tactic kind of smells of desperation. Not to mention the media is gonna under-report the hell out of it.

I believe this is his response to barr, doing nothing.

Waited as long as possible until it became obvious barr was not going to do anything prior to election.

barr's ties are deeper than Trump and justice.

[dougrz]

https://i.imgur.com/Mgt12YB.pngExactly. The episode was the final piece of evidence proving the inherent rottenness of this country.

[dougrz]

Why didn't this release of declassified documents happen sooner?

Might not be Barr. Might be Durham dragging.

It's not desperation to uncover the truth about the greatest coup-level hoax ever perpetrated in this country. But it's going to seem like it.

[oldno7]

Might not be Barr. Might be Durham dragging.

It's not desperation to uncover the truth about the greatest coup-level hoax ever perpetrated in this country. But it's going to seem like it.

Who does Durham answer too?

[dougrz]

Who does Durham answer too?I hear what you're saying. But if Durham refuses to release before the election and Barr forces it, Durham could single handedly discredit the entire investigation by saying it was forced.

This might be a way around Durham's dragging without discrediting what could be a good report.

I don't know, could be either, and either is bad. The sad reality is it doesn't matter. Trump is on track to lose handily and this entire matter ends in January.

The forces of the left and deep state proved too powerful. The American Experiment is over if the Senate falls as well. And Barr's seeming gung ho on taking down the deep state might have been a ruse all along to gain confidence from us.

[oldno7]

I hear what you're saying. But if Durham refuses to release before the election and Barr forces it, Durham could single handedly discredit the entire investigation by saying it was forced.

This might be a way around Durham's dragging without discrediting what could be a good report.

I don't know, could be either, and either is bad. The sad reality is it doesn't matter. Trump is on track to lose handily and this entire matter ends in January.

The forces of the left and deep state proved too powerful. The American Experiment is over if the Senate falls as well. And Barr's seeming gung ho on taking down the deep state might have been a ruse all along to gain confidence from us.

I think barr is exactly that--A ruse, to bide our time until post election.

[rockgremlin]

I don't know, could be either, and either is bad. The sad reality is it doesn't matter. Trump is on track to lose handily and this entire matter ends in January.

The forces of the left and deep state proved too powerful. The American Experiment is over if the Senate falls as well.



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[dougrz]

95499I obviously sound like it, but I'm not alone in reading the bad pulse. Nolte's article today sounded the alarm on the coming defeat. Bongino was uncharacteristically down today, though he is facing his cancer now. Cal Thomas was pessimistic is his current article. Ben Shapiro railed on Trump beating himself. These are all good people who recognize the left's threat.

I'm waiting on Newt. One of the very few to adamantly predict Trump in 2016.

But more than all that, the campaign is 9 months in on 10. There's little else to move. Trump is the issue, yes or no, that's what this vote is. We were not able to make leftism the issue.

[dougrz]

95499https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2020/10/02/its-late-but-theres-still-time-n2577312

Add Pat Buchanan's article to the mix. He's the OG of MAGA. Before Perot.

He echoes what I thought on debate night. Trump screamed instability and lack of temperament. The worst single debate performance of all time by an incumbent president, imo, and I've watched all of them over the years from Kennedy-Nixon. Student of history. Pat just put it nicely, but he summed it up correctly.

You have to look to Bush 92 and Carter 80 for the next worst, and those were just weak performances by comparison. Ford's 76 gaffe was historic, maybe that one as a single moment.

I'm still working till the bitter end regardless.

[rockgremlin]

Well.....I guess the only thing to ask now is...


1. I wonder what Trump will say in his concession speech (if he even gives one at all)?

2. I wonder if I'll get a refund for all of my guns when Biden comes for them next year?

3. I wonder how many more Supreme Court justices the Democrats will add next year?



Dougrz -- why keep campaigning at all anymore? It's OVER. Trump lost. Get over it.

[Byron]

I'm still working till the bitter end regardless.I'd bet anyone $10,000 right now that Trump wins.

On election night '16 I came home from work fully expecting Hillary to be crowned Queen Of The United States. For a year and a half all we had heard was that Trump was a stinking piece of shit...they covered him 24/7, mocking his every move. They even had him on tape bragging about grabbing top of the line snatch.

Anybody wanna take the bet?

[rockgremlin]

I'd bet anyone $10,000 right now that Trump wins.

On election night '16 I came home from work fully expecting Hillary to be crowned Queen Of The United States. For a year and a half all we had heard was that Trump was a stinking piece of shit...they covered him 24/7, mocking his every move. They even had him on tape bragging about grabbing top of the line snatch.

Anybody wanna take the bet?


Hey man -- Trump blew it, didn't you read what Pat Buchanan had to say? Trump was gonna blast Biden in a landslide, but he screwed it all up and now that Marxist AOC will usher in Communism in America.

Haven't you been paying attention? Trump has already lost. Best you can do now is just go build a bunker in the mountains and live off the land. There's no hope now.

[Byron]

So tonight we get to see Pence and the woman who would be President should Biden win. In a way I really don't think it matters as much as the pundits make it out to be...I would say those that are committed either way won't be swayed...especially the Trumpers.

It also seems like more attention is paid to the moderators than the actual candidates themselves. I wonder if the cupcake tonight will put Harris under the microscope regarding packing the courts, the riots, BLM, etc...probably not. She'll probably evade or try to land in the middle of things and he'll let her get away with it.

If anything, should "Biden" win, we'll get a good look at the person Doug says will be leading the Communist Vanguard that'll take over. Isn't that something?...a woman that no one really knows anything about (except for being a champion two face) would be able to do what the almighty Clinton machine and the entirety of the progressive media and oligarchs could not.

[dougrz]

rockgremlin, you gotta start with understanding your position. Rule 1 of battle, lay of the field. Would you rather have zombies proclaiming Trump in a landslide, not realizing the effort needed to try to stave this off?

It looks bleak, honest assessment. All hands on deck, regardless of how small the odds.

If I say there is no way the R party will be competitive in CA again, ever, is that doomsday or simple reality?

[rockgremlin]

Rock, you gotta start with understanding your position. Rule 1 of battle, lay of the field. Would you rather have zombies proclaiming Trump in a landslide, not realizing the effort needed to try to stave this off?

It looks bleak, honest assessment. All hands on deck, regardless of how small the odds.


No -- what I HAVE noticed is that your outlook is continually and decidedly negative, no matter the situation.

If Trump is lagging in the polls and a few pundits claim an overwhelming Biden victory then it's bad news, and the end of America.

If Trump is ahead in the polls and a few pundits claim an overwhelming Trump victory then it's also bad news because that means everyone is complacent which will result in defeat.

How anyone can incessantly find the most disturbingly negative outlook in every situation is mind-boggling to me. I can't do it. I'd be pounding fistfulls of those deadly opiates if that were my life.

[Byron]

Haven't you been paying attention? Trump has already lost. Best you can do now is just go build a bunker in the mountains and live off the land. There's no hope now.Funny thing about that...when I bugged out into the boonies back in March/April so I wouldn't be trapped in the city I had plenty of time to consider that being prepared (at least somewhat) might be a good idea. I had always blown the notion off in the past as paranoia...things couldn't get that bad, could they?

Uh...yeah they can. All it would take is for the grocery stores to be cleaned out and then not restocked right away. Impossible? Hmmm....

As a result, I fast tracked the truck camper I've been thinking about for at least 3 years but was going to hold off and present it to myself as a present on my 60th birthday. I don't want to be stuck in a city if I can help it, that's for sure. I used to think "preppers" were kinda kooky...but not anymore. Although some may take things a bit too heavy.

Being able to book out within an hours notice is certainly something I can do right now, but living out the back of a pickup truck and sleeping in a tent won't work too well during the winter months.

Even with a Trump win, there's no guarantee that the liberal/progressive/marxist/anachists/pissed off with nothing to lose won't go apeshit...especially with liberal leaders that won't do anything about it. Then again maybe what we've been seeing was just a flash in the pan. The first week of November is sure going to be interesting...hard to believe it's only a few weeks away.

[dougrz]

No -- what I HAVE noticed is that your outlook is continually and decidedly negative, no matter the situation.

Then I'll make a lead read. Pence needs to pin Harris on 3 things:

1, Immigration- no deportations, free healthcare

2, ending the filibuster to add states and pack the court

3, Executive orders on gun control

She has said all these things but they're uncovered. These debates are our only narrow chance to communicate around mass media. He MUST succeed on these.

Pence is sharp and good. Years in talk radio. But he can't be too nice.

[Byron]

If I say there is no way the R party will be competitive in CA again, ever, is that doomsday or simple reality?It's reality, of course.

Four years at a time, Doug...that's all we can hope for. Who knows what the lay of the land will be in '24, '28, '32 or beyond.

I know it's smart to look down the road, but right now we have to focus on careful steps as a war is raging. People have chosen sides...I'm faithful in ours.

[dougrz]

Being able to book out within an hours notice

Even with a Trump win, there's no guarantee that the liberal/progressive/marxist/anachists/pissed off with nothing to lose won't go apeshit...

If you think Trump will win, you need to prep. They will go ape. If the reverse, there will be no dramatic weeks. Just the somber realization and slow decline. But peacefully.

[Byron]

It's the slow decline I'm preparing for.

[dougrz]

How anyone can incessantly find the most disturbingly negative outlook in every situation is mind-boggling to me.

Add: in past losses to D, I was sad, but not horrifically depressed. This is different. It's the serious, serious realization of what's at stake.

They're telling us what they'll do. Listen to them and be frightened for this country.

[dougrz]

Through the first half, decent for Pence.

The above 3 points better come up. But this moderator is asking loaded Qs and I doubt will ask any of the above.

[dougrz]

The moderator's Qs are really bad. Framed to benefit Dems.

[dougrz]

Both did well. Gave their sides things to point to. No needle moving overall, other than that Pence was steady and that was needed.

The Qs didn't help Pence make the points I thought needed to be made.

The last Q, "If Trump refuses a peaceful transfer of power..." My God. Probably the worst propaganda ever to appear during a debate. Very hard to message past a press like this and the structure of thought control they exert.

Your thoughts rockgremlin.

[Byron]

Harris dodges questions...completely ignored the new green deal thing, packing the courts. She comes off as a bitch. All she talks about is "victims"...she represents those with issues. She's the perfect spokesperson for why I'm not liberal.

Pence on the other hand, doesn't dodge a damn thing. He does good at holding her feet to the fire, too.

Pence won for straight up honesty, IMO.

[dougrz]

Harris dodges questions...completely ignored the new green deal thing, packing the courts. She comes off as a bitch.

I just wish amnesty, new states, and gun control came up. These critical issues are utterly undiscussed.

[Byron]

I just wish amnesty, new states, and gun control came up. These critical issues are utterly undiscussed.It really doesn't matter...as everyone knows where they stand on those things. At least. Pence will tell you exactly where he stands, she'll just dodge or bullshit.

The experts agree...she's a bitch. Looked like a bitch, acted like a bitch, talked like a bitch.

I'm just glad it's over and we don't have to put up with her nasty face anymore. Now it's obvious to me why she's been MIA since she got the nod.

[dougrz]

Now it's obvious to me why she's been MIA since she got the nod.

I thought she did well and came across as believable. I think like my (barely tolerable at this point) lib/left dumb friends. Specifically the dumb ones, not the committed, smart ones.

[BasinCruiser]

Kamala did what she does best - she really blew it last night.

I'm talking about the debate, of course. :haha:

[BasinCruiser]

95500

[dougrz]

Eff. Trump said this morning he'd skip the 2nd debate since it was made virtual. Any mo from Pence pissed away.

He needs to be brought to his senses. Precious little time to expose Biden, damn it. Think!

Do it while complaining about the change of rules, using it as an argument in the case against media bias. But don't refuse a damn stage. Any stage.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[dougrz]

Dennis Prager said something today that was extraordinary. Understand Dennis is Jewish, and wrote an important book titled, "Why the Jews." From the obvious title, why Jews have been historically targeted as a group.

He said, "We've reached the point where white people in the United States are the Jews. Targeted and blamed." Paraphrasing, "When whites today say, 'Look at the society we built. One of freedom and prosperity for all.' That's mocked and attacked like in 1930s Germany, when Jews tried to point out their contributions to society. It did not matter to the anti-semites."

Let that sink in.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

:roflol::roflol:

https://i.imgur.com/iy2xCEB.jpg

[dougrz]

The Dem plan for SC packing is now clearer. Harris' comment in the debate about Trump packing some appeals court with 50 appointed whites and zero blacks sets the stage.

That's the move. The SC will be expanded by x, and all x will be non-whites. Diversity and upending the systemic racism of the legal system will be the stated reasons. Size of the expansion will depend on their aggressiveness. 2, 4, or 6.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[devo_stevo]

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Perfection.

[dougrz]

Been thinking about why the Dems would do such a naked power grab seeming move so close to an election.

I think it's to force/goad Biden to support it. Then pass/sign under Biden, keeping his word. Then take him out to install Harris.

[BasinCruiser]

Been thinking about why the Dems would do such a naked power grab seeming move so close to an election.

I think it's to force/goad Biden to support it. Then pass/sign under Biden, keeping his word. Then take him out to install Harris.


That’s what I’ve been saying. Their getting their to tips out ahead of their skis. She’s just greasing the skids So that is Biden wins, they’ve already done a dress rehearsal of the process, can wheel Biden off to the care center, and crown Harris.

[BasinCruiser]

95506

[dougrz]

Neil Patel's op-ed on the Daily Caller front page is really sobering. Sickening.

I can see why rockgremlin has been so upset when I post negative thoughts.

[Byron]

Been thinking about why the Dems would do such a naked power grab seeming move so close to an election.

I think it's to force/goad Biden to support it. Then pass/sign under Biden, keeping his word. Then take him out to install Harris.That's exactly what it is. She even came out today and said it wasn't about Trump, but a "future" President.

Kamala Harris...out of nowhere to become the Boss? It's happened before, just look at Obama. But that time, the media was able to sell him as the answer to all our prayers, just like they did with Jimmy Carter. Pretty much a tough sell this time around.

[dougrz]

Pretty much a tough sell this time around.

You're either absolutely oblivious insane, or a clairvoyant genius.

Am doing some lit drops all weekend, office work as well. Every available hour.

Dire consequences at stake. Do the same.

[Byron]

You're either absolutely oblivious insane, or a clairvoyant genius.

Actually...a combination of the two, most definitely.

[dougrz]

Majority of voters say they are better off now than in 2016: poll

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/majority-of-voters-better-off-than-in-2016-poll

Incredible numbers in that generic poll. You'd look at those in a normal year and say no way an incumbent would lose.

[Byron]

Majority of voters say they are better off now than in 2016: poll

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/majority-of-voters-better-off-than-in-2016-poll

Incredible numbers in that generic poll. You'd look at those in a normal year and say no way an incumbent would lose.I sure as hell am...but then again, I did great during the Obama years, too. The phone never stops ringing when you're a good house painter.

Painters are like Dentists...eventually everyone needs a dentist, eventually everyone needs a painter.

Before Covid, anybody that wanted a job could get one...and I mean anybody. I started seeing meth heads working at the grocery stores.

[dougrz]

Before Covid, anybody that wanted a job could get one...and I mean anybody. I started seeing meth heads working at the grocery stores.

I noticed the same. I'm sure we all did. Absolute bottom of the barrel employees were all over all of a sudden. I had a little bit of hope that, given an intro to work and the pride of self support, this country might experience a turn around and save itself. And save itself through people interacting with each other.

Instead we're on the edge of total ruin. Remarkable and beyond tragic for hundreds of millions.

[Iceaxe]

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[dougrz]

I'm considering heading down to AZ for the final weeks. Stay with a relative and work out of an office down there. Seems, and likely is, pointless to be working CO.

[dougrz]

Had an interesting convo with the data guy in the office. In my county, the largest by pop in CO, Repubs turned out at 85.4% in 2016. He said the goal this year is 90 to 95%. Think about those numbers.

[BasinCruiser]

So QuidProJoe doesn’t think’ the people’ deserve to know his position on the courts. How do these petulant, arrogant, conniving a-holds get so much power, so much praise, she’s so much up their arse that they have the nerve to talk about the American population in this manner? Other than the media will cover for him. This is why we have the #2A - to protect us from power hungry self absorbed idiots like this moron.

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[dougrz]

This is why we have the #2A - to protect us from power hungry self absorbed idiots like this moron.

It is indeed. Q for our side: 6 new justices. They strike down the 2A in a few years. Either "no inherent right to own," or a more draconian "prohibited to own if not in the militia/Nat Guard."

Then what? Will our side stand and shoot to kill confiscators coming to our doors?

All of us need to make a decision on this. It is coming if they sweep. In a federal ban or NFA classification in a year or two, or in 5 years via the SC.

[Iceaxe]

I'm much to honest to ever be a politician....

....that is all....

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[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

If this is true....

Tell me about them polls again.


95511

[BasinCruiser]

95513

[dougrz]

95513Those are encouraging numbers. It comes down to turnout still. We know they will turn out in historic numbers, the hatred for Trump and absolute determination to vote to eliminate him is staggering. We need to exceed that.

It is that level of anger which made me believe Trump was going to have a hard time against any nominee even before the virus and Floyd. Never mind adding those 2, virus big +D and Floyd, overall, +D.

[BasinCruiser]

30k cars? Wow.

95514

[dougrz]

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/10/11/fakepoll-alert-proof-biden-is-not-winning-n2577814
rockgremlin , another prediction Trump will win. I need to read these to keep my spirit up.

Donate money to key races in the Senate. The presidential race, money is probably less important , given 4 years of Trump dominating the news.

The article's last lines about door knocking are why I'm going to AZ. Voter contacts are the best motivators. It's a real morale booster to have a campaign worker come and encourage, and I've had hundreds say they're so happy to get a knock. I've knocked on maybe 5 or 6k doors in the last 4 elections now.

[oldno7]

30k cars? Wow.

95514

Miami PD Estimates More Than 30,000 Cars Participated in Anti-Communist, Latinos For Trump Caravan in South Florida (VIDEO)

Latinos in South Florida love President Trump.
Latinos from Nicaragua, Venezuela and Cuba living in South Florida know the dangers of Socialism and Communism which is why they reject Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Thousands of cars participated in Saturday’s anti-Communist, Latinos for Trump caravan.

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/11/00/34240936-8827277-image-a-26_1602374255564.jpg

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/miami-pd-estimates-30000-cars-participated-anti-communist-latinos-trump-caravan-south-florida-video/

[Byron]

I've knocked on maybe 5 or 6k doors in the last 4 elections now.Well no wonder you're all bummed out...you had a whole bunch of assholes slamming them in your face.

[Byron]

30k cars? Wow.

95514Rock and Roll, man. Where the hell are the Biden parades? youhoo? Anybody there?

Someone said "They're not showing up at Biden events because they're all scared of Covid"...and if that's true then they are quite the miserable lot. Just yesterday the park across the street from the house I'm working on was PACKED with people...BBQ, frisbee, dogs and at least 4 different teams of Lacrosse players. Hundreds of people, not a mask in sight.

In the meantime, I listen to the radio and ABC news has an "update" every 20 minutes...it's all about Trump, TRUMP, TRUMP...every single one. They keep saying even though he doesn't look sick, he is. And then they crank up the Covid fear...more hospitalizations, more cases, MORE MORE MORE. Biden has double digit leads. It's all bullshit...designed to encourage their base not to give up.

Ah...it's going to be joyous to watch them get their asses kicked all over again. Everything they've tried has fallen flat, much to my delight. This one will have the sweetest taste yet.

[dougrz]

Well no wonder you're all bummed out...you had a whole bunch of assholes slamming them in your face.Believe it or not, no. I've never had a highly hostile encounter in any year. Not this either. Many cross looks and "no thanks," but that has surprised me. Though we've never targeted solid D doors.

[Byron]

Believe it or not, no. I've never had a highly hostile encounter in any year. Not this either. Many cross looks and "no thanks," but that has surprised me. Though we've never targeted solid D doors.
Just got home from giving an estimate to a long time, Jewish client of mine. Great lady, really nice but a total airhead.

She mentioned to me that crime has gone up in her neighborhood lately (it's all over here "Next Door" app) nice area, 700K houses, manicured lawns, etc...cars being stolen and broken into and burglaries. That got us talking about politics...something we've never done before.

She's voting for Biden because Trump is "mafia". I asked her if she's willing to substitute Trump for a cabal of "mystery people" and she looked at me dumbfounded. She has no clue about anything...no idea that the cops that shot Jacob Blake were there to arrest him for violating the restraining order for sexually assaulting a 15 yr. old girl...she knows nothing about Harris and doesn't care. She said the riots are Trumps fault because it happened on "his watch". Etc...etc...

I left shaking my head at the ignorance...and felt a bit yucky. Maybe that's what it is Doug...you're kinda swimming in it.

[dougrz]

I left shaking my head at the ignorance...and felt a bit yucky. Maybe that's what it is Doug...you're kinda swimming in it.

I am indeed swimming in it. Everywhere I've lived, and consequently most of my friends. So that either makes me in tune with reality, or I've been blown away by the stupidity so long that I can't see anything but it now.

I might be kinda like people emerging from dictatorships who are hesitant to talk freely for years out of conditioned fear.

But what exactly was your point. I'm kinda swimming in it and therefore... what?

[dougrz]

Another positive article on our chances: https://townhall.com/columnists/gilgutknecht/2020/10/11/the-next-three-weeks-n2577835

[Byron]

But what exactly was your point. I'm kinda swimming in it and therefore... what?Whaaa?...that one went over your head? It's not an insult, I can assure you of that.

What I mean is this...I don't have big conversations with people on a frequent basis about politics, I don't work or volunteer for any political party. My "involvement" with all this is limited to...limited conversations. It's gotten to the point with me when I say the sky is blue and they say it's purple...we're done talking. Political conversation over.

You on the other hand...you're deeply involved (swimming in it)...you hang out with people where this is the main thing, you're knocking on doors, etc...so you're right on the "front lines" so to speak, and I would imagine it could be a bit discouraging when you're looking the enemy right in the face. I just give them the finger, walk away and find other things to do.

I'm joking about that last part...but I think you know what I mean. I'm not blissfully ignorant...just blissfully uninvolved.

[dougrz]

You on the other hand...you're deeply involved (swimming in it)...you hang out with people where this is the main thing, you're knocking on doors, etc...so you're right on the "front lines"

I took no offense, I just didn't know what you meant.

But yes, being hard core in belief for decades and very active since 2008, it is front lines fatigue maybe yes. Thousands of interactions with idiots, anti-Americans, and apathetics.

[dougrz]

Newt on Oct 10, thinks Trump will win. He's the one I look to more than any other.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gingrich-state-2020-race-004547003.html

[rockgremlin]

Newt on Oct 10, thinks Trump will win. He's the one I look to more than any other.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/gingrich-state-2020-race-004547003.html

This is excellent news.

[dougrz]

This is excellent news.Donate, rock. Get into an hq, get signed into Campaign Sidekick, and start doing the power dialer work into battlegrounds.

All hands.

[BasinCruiser]

:lol8:


95515



https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lonely-street-for-biden-bus-tour-kickoff-reporter-shows-that-no-one-showed-up-enthusiasm-gap-for-candidates-is-huge/

[oldno7]

I hope messages like Joes, somehow resonates in the inner cities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3wMj24GjtA&feature=emb_logo

[Byron]

:lol8:


95515



https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lonely-street-for-biden-bus-tour-kickoff-reporter-shows-that-no-one-showed-up-enthusiasm-gap-for-candidates-is-huge/I love how they were able to gather EVERYONE that showed up in Yuma for a group picture. Looks like about 40 rock solid votes there.

[Byron]

I hope messages like Joes, somehow resonates in the inner cities.

This is excellent...we've never seen anything like this before. And he's right, the wealthy liberal elite have done nothing for these people. It's about time the spotlight was turned on them. The best part about this?...along with that gal in Baltimore, they're showing the actual reality of it. It's undeniable...how can anyone with half a brain ignore it?

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/8e6C0od.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/zX41WD7.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/aRVVkBz.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/190/19047/1904751.gif

[Scott Card]

Oh, the fear!

'Like we're going into quarantine': Americans plan to stockpile food this fall over fears of COVID-19 surge, election unrest


https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-going-quarantine-americans-plan-141522817.html

[caverdan]

..

[rockgremlin]

It's too bad the presidential race is about siding with the radical left or radical right with no choices in between that count. It leaves us in the middle without a vote that counts. :crazycobasa:


Just curious...what is it about Trump that you believe is "radical right"?

Honest question, no judgements.

[oldno7]

Trump rally in Toledo

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327887/EienOJEWoAEAM31_jpg-1632885.JPG

biden rally in Toledo

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327887/Screenshot_2020-10-12_192602_jpg-1632862.JPG

[oldno7]

Trump supporters lined the road today with Trump flags to welcome Joe Biden to Ohio for a speech.

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1315717551838638080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Iceaxe]

Just curious...what is it about Trump that you believe is "radical right"?

Honest question, no judgements.
Great question... considering Trump was a registered Democrat and contributor until only recently. The guy is about as middle of the road as they come, which is why a large portion of the GOP despises him and why Never Trump exists in the GOP.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/m8dPwtt.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/vFtfslk.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/odNAKhT.jpg

[Byron]

It's too bad the presidential race is about siding with the radical left or radical right with no choices in between that count. It leaves us in the middle without a vote that counts. :crazycobasa:Yeah, I don't get this one, either. Sounds like something Acca would say...if he were around, that is.

Far Right?...what exactly does that look like? Does it resemble Klansmen hanging blacks from trees? Women being led around on a lease (which sounds like fun, actually), how about gays being beaten to death with tire irons?

The Radical Right...I think about the only thing that could possibly resemble that would be a religious fanatic running the country with a massive cult following...kinda like Chancellor Sutler for the movie "V for Vendetta"...funny thing about that, if you pay attention to the movie and the behavior of both the Chancellor, his henchmen and the media, it looks eerily similar to the current American Left.

My personal opinion of Trump is that if the Democrats would have shown him some respect after the election, they would have had a seat at the table and would be able to serve their constituents at least a bit of something...instead they don't get jack shit. Trump became rock solid right of center because the left deliberately pushed him there.

With all due respect Mr. Caverdan...I would say the two choices we have are between common sense and crazy.

[Byron]

Trump supporters lined the road today with Trump flags to welcome Joe Biden to Ohio for a speech.

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1315717551838638080?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwOh, this is just delicious. Check out the video of Biden giving his speech to nobody and the Trump supporters across the street blaring their horns and yelling at him...just scroll down a bit on this Twitter feed and you'll see it.

This election is going to be over before 10pm.

[dougrz]

Very interesting day on the trail. I walked with our state representative nominee and the county DA nominee. Both very nice people and we had a lot of hours of talk time.

The DA is as straight and non-flamethrowing as they come. He has numerous endorsements from Democrats who praise his straight shooter, fair application of the law. You read his lit flyers and he emphasizes that fact. The current DA is a woke leftist.

So, everyone else is gone, and I was giving him a ride back in my car to his. I asked him, "If the Dems sweep and do pack the Supreme Court, 1/2 the country, me included, will consider the court legally illegitimate. What happens to the law in this country?"

"It will break down. I think we'd end up seeing a secession movement."

That blew me away. I started thinking about civil war and secession in the 90s, believing it might come in my lifetime. I've never heard a serious person talk about it. Until today.

[dougrz]

From the trail today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/af8c6692ed7fbb095d1f5198c3f095f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/47a4872d328dd748c304563972a19a28.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/a9f5d3d992252d1cfdf60f475be3311e.jpg

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMjrQwEOTiI

[Iceaxe]

This election is going to be over before 10pm.

In before Dougie Down shows up to point out how wrong you are...

LOL...

[rockgremlin]

From the trail today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/af8c6692ed7fbb095d1f5198c3f095f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/47a4872d328dd748c304563972a19a28.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/a9f5d3d992252d1cfdf60f475be3311e.jpg

I am also starting to see Trump signage spring up all over my neck of the woods. I've only seen one Biden sign. And I'm paying attention.

The ratio is close to 15:1, maybe higher.

[Iceaxe]

Stripper poles are more reliable then the Presidential polls we see everyday! Don’t believe them. The silent majority will speak only when it counts this November 3rd.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/f12f55ff718e185c28419a29c17e6705.jpg

[dougrz]

Oh, this is just delicious. Check out the video of Biden giving his speech to nobody and the Trump supporters across the street blaring their horns and yelling at him...just scroll down a bit on this Twitter feed and you'll see it.

This election is going to be over before 10pm.

Note: rock, don't read this.

I wish it was an enthusiasm election. Bongino, God love him, continues to think it's a base election. I just disagree. It's a middle electorate election that wants the Trump chaos to end.

Biden is so desperately bland and uninteresting, and is exactly the correct antidote. These posted memes ironically confirm that. There couldn't have been a better choice. Literally not one Dem pol better. It was brilliant. Unable to say anything, total stealth. Boring rallies speak, "this is not a dangerous guy, he's just dull." The complete anti-Trump in style and emotional response. Like closing the drapes and laying in bed for a few hours after an extremely hectic day. While Bernie's firebrand style would have represented a deeply unappealing and scary alternative. And Bernie rallies would have laid bare their rabidness.

The first debate confirmed the chaos narrative and sealed the result. Highly unlikely the last debate will see Trump control himself. He'll almost certainly compound the hole.

I continue to pray I'm wrong and seek out counter argument articles to keep my spirits up. But all my political experience screams Dem landslide in a Watergate-level backlash. This is 1976 squared, while 2018 was 1974. 74 foretold 76, listen to history. The 76 presidential vote was close, but the underlying Congressional vote wasn't.

2018 made this result obvious to me, even minus the virus and Floyd. Does no one remember 2018 was a crushing D win? Obliterated us everywhere on every level. With a hugely advantageous Senate map we did nothing.

In 76, Carter was bland, Biden is bland. In 76 Ford was bumbling, but specifically his Nixon pardon created a palpable divide. Likewise Trump has created a divide, but at a level we've never seen. The country in 1972 told of its dislike of McGovern and socialism like with Bernie, and yet handed that party the keys just 2 and 4 years later when McG was sidelined like Bernie was here. The parallels are striking. Then add on top the media and tech info control of today.

Showing the lack of enthusiasm for Biden as proof this won't be 2008 is correct. 2008 was an affirmative vote. 74 and 76 were negative votes. But with the same net result.

Give me a counter argument from history.

[dougrz]

^ In total opposition to what I posted above, https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/


Newt specifically cited Trafalgar polls to counter all the others, given their 2016 accuracy and ability to pull out the shy Trump voter.

[Byron]

trump-campaign-asymmetrical-covid-lockdowns (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-asymmetrical-covid-lockdowns)

Biden and Harris are threatening a national lockdown. One of the comments in this article..."The Democrats attitude is shut up and do what you're told".

All it takes is one punk kid with a slingshot to ruin the vibe of a whole neighborhood.

[oldno7]

Note: rock, don't read this.

I wish it was an enthusiasm election. Bongino, God love him, continues to think it's a base election. I just disagree. It's a middle electorate election that wants the Trump chaos to end.

Biden is so desperately bland and uninteresting, and is exactly the correct antidote. These posted memes ironically confirm that. There couldn't have been a better choice. Literally not one Dem pol better. It was brilliant. Unable to say anything, total stealth. Boring rallies speak, "this is not a dangerous guy, he's just dull." The complete anti-Trump in style and emotional response. Like closing the drapes and laying in bed for a few hours after an extremely hectic day. While Bernie's firebrand style would have represented a deeply unappealing and scary alternative. And Bernie rallies would have laid bare their rabidness.

The first debate confirmed the chaos narrative and sealed the result. Highly unlikely the last debate will see Trump control himself. He'll almost certainly compound the hole.

I continue to pray I'm wrong and seek out counter argument articles to keep my spirits up. But all my political experience screams Dem landslide in a Watergate-level backlash. This is 1976 squared, while 2018 was 1974. 74 foretold 76, listen to history. The 76 presidential vote was close, but the underlying Congressional vote wasn't.

2018 made this result obvious to me, even minus the virus and Floyd. Does no one remember 2018 was a crushing D win? Obliterated us everywhere on every level. With a hugely advantageous Senate map we did nothing.

In 76, Carter was bland, Biden is bland. In 76 Ford was bumbling, but specifically his Nixon pardon created a palpable divide. Likewise Trump has created a divide, but at a level we've never seen. The country in 1972 told of its dislike of McGovern and socialism like with Bernie, and yet handed that party the keys just 2 and 4 years later when McG was sidelined like Bernie was here. The parallels are striking. Then add on top the media and tech info control of today.

Showing the lack of enthusiasm for Biden as proof this won't be 2008 is correct. 2008 was an affirmative vote. 74 and 76 were negative votes. But with the same net result.

Give me a counter argument from history.

This is flawed analysis--Trump did not create the divide.

He has participated in a defense of himself, no other President has experienced.

The attacks were NOT initially Trump's, they grew out of the obama administration.

Trump has been mostly on defense his entire term, while still accomplishing more than any other President--(thats good "D")

Trump has indeed fought back, an image no other Republican has dared paint.

Fighting back is something no other Republican has done and it has set the demicraps on their heels, thus they've dug in and gone nuclear in their attacks.

Defending oneself and the Country from these attacks--HAS caused a divide never witnessed before.

If the dims had of worked with this guy he likely would have leaned left too accommodate them, instead, both sides feel there is no recourse but to dig in and fight for what matters to each.

Trump did not create this divide--he reacted to it, in self defense.

[oldno7]

Could the "DIVIDE", have started here?



Exclusive: Coup Plotters Considered Never Allowing Trump To Be InauguratedAccording to a former senior Department of Defense official interviewed by AND Magazine, in the wake of Donald Trump’s “surprise” victory in November 2016, a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) was rushed through pushing the false Russian collusion narrative and asserting as the judgment of the Intelligence Community as a whole that the Russians had not only interfered in the election but had done so in order to assist Donald Trump and help him become President. We have known for some time that this NIE was drafted, what we now know is considerably more about the highly unusual way in which it was drafted.
An NIE is supposed to represent the consensus of the Intelligence Community (IC). It is created in a lengthy collaborative process involving working-level analysts and experts. Only when the final version is effectively agreed upon and hammered out, does the document make is way to agency heads for final approval.
Such was not the case with this NIE. According to the senior official interviewed, this NIE was written by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, and DNI Clapper. All work on the NIE was done at the Top Secret level with only a handful of individuals having access to what was written. Objections to the conclusions reached were dismissed summarily on the basis that Mr. Brennan, Mr. Comey, and Mr. Clapper had personally written the NIE findings and recommendations and would handle all inter-agency input themselves.




In short, the conclusions had been preordained. There was no room for discussion.

https://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/10/11/exclusive-coup-plotters-considered-never-allowing-trump-to-be-inaugurated/

[oldno7]

electing biden--is the completion of the coup.

Everyone on earth can see he's incompetent as an individual BUT this election has nothing to do with biden.

It's roots are much deeper.

[BasinCruiser]

Trumps kids are all campaigning for their father. Where’s Hunter? :ne_nau:

[Sombeech]

This election is going to be over before 10pm.

I hope that is the case, but the media will do their best to delay the announcement. Even social media has come out saying those that announce the election results will be censored. Part of the goal for mail in ballots was to delay the decision, with states passing bills saying mail in ballots could be counted up to a WEEK after election day. Imagine, losing the election on Nov 3rd, so you send in millions more ballots for your candidate and they can still be counted a week later. Fortunately these states have been sued and this was reversed.

Just know this, when the riots start, and they haven't announced the winner, take comfort it could only mean Trump won. Those bitches don't riot when they get their way.

[dougrz]

Just know this, when the riots start, and they haven't announced the winner, take comfort it could only mean Trump won. Those bitches don't riot when they get their way.

This is exactly correct. Historic level insurrection if Trump wins. Nothing if he loses. Especially if he loses big. The retribution will come next year in the laws.

Prediction: Trump will serve jail time. Their retribution will be deep.

[Sombeech]

Prediction: Trump will serve jail time. Their retribution will be deep.
No. Not at all.

They are losing their power each day. If he would serve jail time, they wouldn't be selling their souls to the devil, doing anything to try and get him out of office. They are desperate.

You'd be surprised, shocked at what they have. It just takes time to dismantle the deep state. Rest assured, nothing the Dems have ever tried against Trump has succeeded.

[Sombeech]

And by the way, I think it's more likely Trump would be assassinated before jail time. If he goes to jail, he can talk, make deals. He has seen it all. He knows the blackmail secrets about these people that we will NEVER know. They've tried to assassinate him already, many times, and failed. I hope they keep failing. Some of us have heard about certain events that were in fact attempts to take him out, but were explained away as some other thing.

[Iceaxe]

This is exactly correct. Historic level insurrection if Trump wins. Nothing if he loses. Especially if he loses big. The retribution will come next year in the laws.

Prediction: Trump will serve jail time. Their retribution will be deep.

LMAO... dude... the ruling elite NEVER serve jail time. At least get a grasp on reality.

Your rhetoric sounds exactly like my bat shirt crazy far left liberal sister in law... except for the fact you're shouting from the right I see no difference.

[dougrz]

^ The brewing NY tax case. This isn't about presidential actions. It'll be driven by a personal vendetta against him, obviously. But also a warning to anyone who'd mess with the ruling elite.

Prediction: the 2A falls if the Dems pack the court. Bat s...?

[rockgremlin]

^ The brewing NY tax case.


Is this about Trump's allegedly "only paying $750" in federal income tax?

Rookie move -- anybody trying to run with that argument clearly doesn't understand tax code and the arguments will easily fall apart in court.

[dougrz]

Is this about Trump's allegedly "only paying $750" in federal income tax?

No, that stuff is meaningless. I mean the Trump foundation case which led to the subpoenas of his taxes.

Remember, this is the same NY that has a lawsuit to dissolve the NRA as a criminal enterprise. Bat s... is their operating principle, and pointing that fact out isn't bat s...

They will get his returns and records from the foundation. Guaranteed something will be amiss. With a sprawling organization with thousands of employees and books of laws governing things, it's not possible to not violate the law somehow. They'll paint it as criminal, fraudulent intent. Do you have any doubt about that?

Which then makes the case political. Will he have enough connections to avoid jail? Iceaxe says the elite never go to jail. I counter he's reviled in elite circles and Repubs have less elite status anyway.

Weinstein and Cosby are actually in jail. Martha Stewart served. Elites can be dumped at times.

[Iceaxe]

^^^I said 'ruling elites'... that doesn't include celebrities... big difference.

[dougrz]

Trump did not create this divide--he reacted to it, in self defense.

I don't disagree with anything you said. Since we agree the divide is larger than ever, and Trump is the "reason" since he's the first Repub to ever fight back, it becomes a Q of where the blame gets pinned.

Either the media or him. And we all (or, everyone else and me) differ on where it has gotten pinned.

Dems coined the term "low information voter" years ago. They are masters, with the media, of controlling them. I have near zero faith those LIVs can see truth beyond the MSM's bombardment.

[oldno7]

I don't disagree with anything you said. Since we agree the divide is larger than ever, and Trump is the "reason" since he's the first Repub to ever fight back, it becomes a Q of where the blame gets pinned.

Either the media or him. And we all (or, everyone else and me) differ on where it has gotten pinned.

Dems coined the term "low information voter" years ago. They are masters, with the media, of controlling them. I have near zero faith those LIVs can see truth beyond the MSM's bombardment.

Rush Limbaugh coined the phrase--"low information voter" as far as I recollect.

We still disagree on the reason.

So your interpretation is Trumps guilty until proven innocent on anything that the dems have deployed.

I reason that the man has been under the worst coup attack in US history and his fighting method is non-traditional in a political setting.

His fighting back, which may or may not be a cause of the divide, is rooted in the obama administrations attempt to overthrow a duly elected President.

So in a nutshell, this whole divide, mostly the racial one--was brought on by obama himself.

His domestic policies created and strengthened the income/wealth divide, as intended.(sow discourse) and it's growing.

[dougrz]

So your interpretation is Trumps guilty until proven innocent on anything that the dems have deployed.

Basically yes. That's the sad reality. There's an old saying, "A lie travels half way around the world before the truth gets out of bed." Trump's $750 in taxes? It's undisputed truth now. X100 for all the lies the media has bombarded him with.


I reason that the man has been under the worst coup attack in US history

No question. If I had power, millions for treason. Plain and simple.

LIV, Rush popularized the term back in the Clinton era, yes. I listened to him for years back then as I'm sure we all did. He was our only outlet and forum where like minded people could get together. Remember those pre internet days? 92 to the 94 Newt takeover were great years for that radio camaraderie.

iirc, he used to say the Dems used it in their strategizing that decade and he was just running with it. Doesn't matter really, but interesting. The guy who originally researched LIVs showed they were easily swayed by subtle ques and headlines and ran to conclusions based on them. What a terrifying way for a country to govern itself. So Clinton did his saxophone stint on the talk show, admitted to smoking a joint, ate at McD's, etc. All for the LIVs to classify him as trustworthy.

The left has done nothing but trick people into surrendering their freedom. Period, dot, end of issue.

Is the country more sophisticated today? More thoughtful? More able to see beyond a corrupt media? No to all those in my mind. I see the good, well informed, historically literate guys on this forum as the rare breed, not the common breed. Damn good people in here and they're damn rare in society overall.

[BasinCruiser]

95519

[dougrz]

Tucker great as usual.

Douglas Murray on language and the insanity of crowds was great.

And then it hit me. The reason I've been arguing we're in trouble is because of crowds. Social media is the mass creation of crowds. Crowds that were not possible 10+ years ago. Byron

[Byron]

Tucker great as usual.

Douglas Murray on language and the insanity of crowds was great.

And then it hit me. The reason I've been arguing we're in trouble is because of crowds. Social media is the mass creation of crowds. Crowds that were not possible 10+ years ago. @Byron (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=20436)This one is going a bit over my head...in regards to crowds, I read something yesterday that said the reason no one shows up at Biden events is because the don't announce them to the public...uh, yeah. Giving a speech to an empty parking lot out of Covid concerns?

It's all bullshit, Doug. I wouldn't be surprised if CNN announces that a giant meteor is going to hit the planet if we elect Trump.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/U4EK3Qc.jpg

[dougrz]

I read something yesterday that said the reason no one shows up at Biden events is because

No, not political crowds. Societal crowds. Essentially "mob rule" but in a sophisticated way. Mobs define enemies and issues in single words or slogans. Mobs aren't paralyzed by analysis or indecision or differing opinion. Psych studies have shown mob decisions are ironically more radical and impulsive than you'd expect, given the rule of thumb that too many leaders leads to bickering and breakdown of momentum for a movement.

So the revelation for me was this: how are we literally on the edge of ending the American experiment, voting for lockdowns and certain appeasement and collapse to China, handing away basic freedom to the greens, etc, etc? I've long argued it's the info control the left enjoys. And that's a critical part, the most important part.

But we have for the first time in human history enabled the creation of a super crowd through social media. Its power is unlike anything we've ever seen. And why the old school looking at Biden's physical crowds is the wrong metric.

Where this movement goes, what it defines as the next issue, how thorough the coming Maoist purge is going to be, all stems from the crowd.

Hence the danger is unlike anything we've ever seen. Even I, understanding what has been coming, am underestimating the ravages people on our side will face.

[Byron]

No, not political crowds. Societal crowds. Essentially "mob rule" but in a sophisticated way. Mobs define enemies and issues in single words or slogans. Mobs aren't paralyzed by analysis or indecision or differing opinion. Psych studies have shown mob decisions are ironically more radical and impulsive than you'd expect, given the rule of thumb that too many leaders leads to bickering and breakdown of momentum for a movement.

So the revelation for me was this: how are we literally on the edge of ending the American experiment, voting for lockdowns and certain appeasement and collapse to China, handing away basic freedom to the greens, etc, etc? I've long argued it's the info control the left enjoys. And that's a critical part, the most important part.

But we have for the first time in human history enabled the creation of a super crowd through social media. Its power is unlike anything we've ever seen. And why the old school looking at Biden's physical crowds is the wrong metric.

Where this movement goes, what it defines as the next issue, how thorough the coming Maoist purge is going to be, all stems from the crowd.

Hence the danger is unlike anything we've ever seen. Even I, understanding what has been coming, am underestimating the ravages people on our side will face.I don't disagree with your assessment...but I think the results will be opposite of what you predict.

Doug...Biden is giving speeches to EMPTY PARKING LOTS! You put out a call for a canyoneering trip and no one shows up, yet some other guy does the same thing and it's a big party.

Half empty or half full, eh? I'm a half full kind of guy...always have been.

[oldno7]

https://cdn.creators.com/210/288384/288384_image.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/IrsgjzJ.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/kFAktZw.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/IRwdi3g.png

[oldno7]

Don't know this guy but interesting take.



My seven predictions for how 2020 comes to an end:



Prediction 1: Trump will win the election in a landslide. I know, the media is telling you the polls are tight, but just look around. Trump rallies are packed to the gills while Biden can’t fill the bleachers at a high school football field. Trump supporters hold huge boat parades while we see NONE for Biden. Trump supporters hold freeway caravans around that country that take up all lanes of a freeway, while an attempted caravan for Biden in Las Vegas drew only 30 people. Just like in 2016, pollsters today are making it look like it’s a close race. This is gaslighting – they’re telling you something that runs directly opposite of what your own eyes are telling you, but they’re expecting you to believe what they say.



Prediction 2: On the evening of November 3, Joe Biden will not concede the election, even though the vote will clearly be for Trump. Hillary Clinton has publicly stated that Joe should not concede, so the seed has been planted in our minds to expect this. And, because we’re expecting it, we won’t be shocked by it.



Prediction 3: Massive mail voter fraud will create confusion and Marxists (e.g. Democrats) will insist that “every vote counts.” They know Americans want to be fair so Marxists will play on that. They will cry and wail and plead that every vote needs to get counted, so they’ll ask for sympathy for voters who didn’t follow confusing new election rules about how to cast their mail-in ballots. That will be their story, but many votes will be fraudulent. As they’ve demonstrated on America’s streets, Marxists don’t care about following laws; they care about power.



Prediction 4: Because of massive mail fraud ballots showing up late, election results WILL be delayed. The deceptive Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook and the clearly biased Jack Dorsey at Twitter have already announced they will flag any posts ortweets that claim a victory for Trump. They KNOW Trump will have more than enough votes to win, but as Zuckerberg already told us, we should expect results to take “DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS.” In other words, Facebook and Twitter are well-aware of the planned mail-in voter fraud, and they’re already providing cover for it. The planned vote count confusion will be dragged out as long as possible. The Marxists’ intention is to keep confusion swirling at least until December 14 in hopes that the electoral college won’t be able to identify a winner. Expect ballots to keep showing up out of nowhere.



Prediction 5: If Marxists cannot keep up the façade until December 14, some states will obfuscate the electoral process by choosing not to follow the rules laid out in the 12th Amendment. In fact, both may happen. Either way, by attempting to throw the electoral college into confusion, Marxists (again, the Democrats) will make a push for the electoral college to be eliminated. Believe me when I say you don’t want this. Students of the Constitution know that if the electoral college is eliminated, the Republic will be gone.



Prediction 6: Expect Nancy Pelosi to be acting all patriotic and concerned about the Constitution during the chaos, but rest assured, it’s a passive-aggressive act. She is among the Marxist vanguard in both houses of Congress orchestrating the whole mess. You will also see some Marxist-friendly governors making a lot of noise.



Prediction 7: While Marxists in Congress are messing with the electoral process, Marxists on the streets (Antifa and BLM) will intensify their violence by burning, looting, and murdering even more than what we’ve seen to this point. There’s already a movement that seeks to lay siege to the White House. Not only do the puppet masters want all the street chaos to distract our attention from what’s going on in the electoral process, the street Marxists see this election as their only chance to either grab power or put up with Trump for four more years. The protestors have been trained to instigate violence, and copy-cat wannabes will want to join in. Street Marxists will view these riots as the fight of their lives: it will get intense.



To perpetuate the riots, puppet masters like George Soros will continue pouring money into organizations that fund them. Also remember that Antifa and BLM have threatened to go into the suburbs. Their purpose for doing so is to trigger the Soccer Moms who wants peace at all costs. Marxists will hope that these suburban moms will apply pressure on their elected representatives to give in to the Marxists so the violence will end. Life on American streets will be unpredictable and dangerous.



How does it end?



The Marxists are desperate, so the fighting will be like nothing the country has ever seen before. I predict we’ll see horrific things happening in our cities and on our streets, and traditional media (read: Marxist-friendly media) will be spewing twisted truths and lies about everything listed above. And we can’t forget that social media giants favor the Marxists in this revolution, so they will be squelching debate in whatever ways they can.



The final months of 2020 will be an emotional roller coaster, but in the end, I predict Trump prevails. It’s not going to be pretty, and many who are now thinking life will return to normal after November 3 will be sadly mistaken. They will be wondering what happened to the country they once knew.



Whether the Democrats implode or not after all this happens remains to be seen, but it is my prayer that when the dust settles, all the Marxists plotters and schemers be exposed and truth will be recognized as truth. And then … maybe then … Trump can get on with his promise to drain the entire swamp.

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*Daniel Bobinski, M.Ed. is a certified behavioral analyst, best-selling author, corporate trainer, executive coach, and columnist. He’s also a veteran and a self-described Christian Libertarian who believes in the principles of free market capitalism – while standing firmly against crony capitalism.

[dougrz]

^ I've been telling family and friends, if Trump wins, we'll see attacks on infrastructure. Water plants, power substations, etc. This guy implies the same.

Marxists do not go lightly.

[rockgremlin]

^ I've been telling family and friends, if Trump wins, we'll see attacks on infrastructure. Water plants, power substations, etc. This guy implies the same.

Marxists do not go lightly.


Partially agree.

The Marxists we've already seen in Seattle and Portland have demonstrated two things:

1. They have strength in numbers, and have the capability to wreak havoc in many different ways.

2. They're not very smart. Their forces and energies were wasted on frivolous things like vandalizing buildings and looting corner markets. If they really wanted to make an impact they would take a strategic look around and concentrate forces on selected targets. But they're not that smart.


I agree there will be unprecedented chaos, but the Federal government hasn't unleashed the full force of the military either. If push comes to shove, the National Guard will be called up and then it's game over. Antifa cannot stand up to a squad of well trained, heavily armed corpsmen.

Fireworks/Spray paint < Tanks/AR-64s

[dougrz]

Fireworks/Spray paint < Tanks/AR-64s

Had to look up the AR-64. All I'm seeing is an old biplane. I know Mississippi's nat guard is backwards, but man.

[oldno7]

I truly believe a vast majority in this country are still patriotic--heres proof.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRywE2pvzY&amp;feature=emb_logo

[Byron]

/\/\/\...Outstanding! I'll tell ya right now what happened...some crybaby snowflake on the team that didn't come out complained about it and the powers that be decided not to upset her...probably because her friends were backing her up. Nice little backfire there.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/NGHXiLh.jpg

[rockgremlin]

I truly believe a vast majority in this country are still patriotic--heres proof.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRywE2pvzY&amp;feature=emb_logo

This was the best thing I've seen in a long time. Thank you for this.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Is this a typical biden rally?


https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilliams/videos/1261807504179484

[Byron]

Is this a typical biden rally?


https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilliams/videos/1261807504179484Sure it is, but that's OK. They don't want anyone to get Covid, so they keep 'em a secret.

Yep...this guy is the vanguard of the new progressive ideology that is about to sweep the country!

[dougrz]

I truly believe a vast majority in this country are still patriotic--heres proof.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRywE2pvzY&amp;feature=emb_logoThat's great. There are pockets of America left. And where I'm looking to live out my final decades.

[dougrz]

Yep...this guy is the vanguard of the new progressive ideology that is about to sweep the country!

Trump tweeted about a red wave to come and alluded to strong poll numbers.

I'm pulling a 2016 and reading zero polls. Just working. Did a postcard writing thing to non-voters last night after a day of walking.

[oldno7]

guthrie debate


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ObG0Pv87XA&amp;feature=emb_logo

[Iceaxe]

Guthrie also asked 41 questions and only allowed the public to ask ten... it was a joke as far ads a town hall goes, but Trump did destroy Guthrie in his debate with her.

:flag:

[dougrz]

Trump tweeted about giving up on convincing Collins of Maine to vote for ACB. But his tweet, nicely, made comments about how she has bucked him on so many things.

Seems like a carefully crafted tweet to help her distance from him in her reelection battle.