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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/PbmJCzG.jpg

[dougr]

Dem/media establishment fretting over Bernie taking the nomination, thinking he can't win. Exactly what establishment Repubs thought about Trump. Tells me he's more dangerous to win than thought.

But I'll take him over Klobuchar or Bloomberg, who would be hard to beat imo.

Sanders 2020!

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Sounds like bernie won by a lot and biden in fourth.

dems,lolol, can't even run an election in a small state and they want to run the country:roflol:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Time to re rig their own numbers--can't have bernie

No idea if these are accurate.

But on the bright side--the dems don't know either....

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,c_limit/v200/ed3272c4b33ed47ed7eaa25ad6a6da6d

[oldno7]

BREAKING: ‘Inconsistencies’ Found In Democrat Iowa Caucus Reporting, Conspiracies ExplodeAll-out chaos descended upon the Democrat Party’s Iowa caucuses on Monday night, as there were numerous reported technical difficulties and the party declared that it had found “inconsistencies in reporting.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-inconsistencies-found-in-democrat-iowa-caucus-reporting-conspiracies-explode

[dougrz]

Time to re rig their own numbers--can't have bernie

No idea if these are accurate.

But on the bright side--the dems don't know either....

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/q_70,fl_lossy,dpr_3,c_limit/v200/ed3272c4b33ed47ed7eaa25ad6a6da6dBernie's camp released their own similar results, and those might be it.

Biden in 4th and Warren and Bernie combined at 50% signals the party is hard left thoroughly. I can't see Biden or Bloomberg winning in the end given that landscape.

[oldno7]

https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Sanders-predictions-ONLINE-COLOR-780x523.jpg

[oldno7]

Judicial Watch announced that eight Iowa counties have more voter registrations than their eligible voting-age population. According to Judicial Watch’s analysis of data released by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) in 2019 and the most recent U.S. Census Bureau’s five-year American Community Survey, eight Iowa counties are on the list of 378 counties nationwide that have more voter registrations than citizens living there who are old enough to vote, i.e., counties where registration rates exceed 100%. These 378 counties combined had about 2.5 million registrations over the 100%-registered mark. In Iowa, there are at least 18,658 “extra names” on the voting rolls in the eight counties at issue.
The chart below details the eight Iowa counties’ registration rate percentages:



Reg Rate
Total Population


Dallas County
114.8
80,864


Johnson County
107.9
114,425


Lyon County
102.5
11,475


Madison County
102.5
15,720


Poweshiek County
102.1
18,428


Dickinson County
100.9
17,000


Scott County
100.8
171,493


Warren County
100.5
48,630


“Dirty voting rolls can mean dirty elections and Iowa needs to undertake a serious effort to address its voting rolls,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

[oldno7]

Now they’re all making speeches like they (each candidate) won the damn thing....

Kinda like the old story about trying to play chess with a pigeon. It knocks the pieces over, schidts all over the board, then struts around like it won the match..

[Iceaxe]

The Democrats can't even do something as simple as properly rigging a caucus in a small state like Iowa. How in the hell do they expect to run ap country?

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

The Democrats can't even do something as simple as properly rigging a caucus in a small state like Iowa. How in the hell do they expect to run ap country?

Climb-Utah.com

I'm sure they are "managing" it, it takes time to get all the numbers and candidates where they are supposed to be....

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

creepy......


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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

I'm starting to think that biden maybe shouldn't have left the coal miners in charge of coding the new app.....

[oldno7]

on another note----you'd think after all the past years of practice that the dems would be better than this at rigging elections....

[oldno7]

dem caucus voter wants card back--don't want anyone like that in the Whitehouse..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=pTQlwARreXc&feature=emb_l ogo

[oldno7]

So the question one would have to ask about Iowa:

Did the dems throw bernie under the malarkey bus?:ne_nau:

[BasinCruiser]

https://i.redd.it/0h8i4edqxle41.png


Didn’t they steal that from the Robert DeNiro line?

[BasinCruiser]

on another note----you'd think after all the past years of practice that the dems would be better than this at rigging elections....


Let the rumor mills go into full production.


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https://nationalfile.com/iowa-biden-and-pete-paid-hillary-campaign-veterans-who-made-the-failed-app/

[oldno7]

https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Tommy-Boy-600x555.png

[oldno7]

Let the rumor mills go into full production.


93984


https://nationalfile.com/iowa-biden-and-pete-paid-hillary-campaign-veterans-who-made-the-failed-app/


Would it be just a tad funny if biden paid for the app and still came in 4th:haha:

[BasinCruiser]

So, the truth finally comes out. The real reason for the delay in results.



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https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/04/pete-buttigieg-iowa-caucus-voter-finds-out-gay-homophobic/



:roflol:

[oldno7]

^^^^post 1030:mrgreen:

[oldno7]

Well---at least one of the owners of the app is doing good:mrgreen:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/0CA6F7FA-3596-44AD-9B53-923C7C366492_jpe-1263418.JPG

[Iceaxe]

Stick a fork in Biden as he is done, he might not know it yet because he is still screaming at the kids to get off his grass.... but Biden is done.

Mayor Pete made a good showing, but you are seeing his high water mark.

Bloomberg is having a wet dream as Iowa could not have been better for him.

The big winner coming out of Iowa is Trump.



Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200205/dc3f631b819bfc00104766ebaf083ed4.jpg

[dougrz]

Stick a fork in Biden as he is done, he might not know it yet because he is still screaming at the kids to get off his grass.... but Biden is done.

Mayor Pete made a good showing, but you are seeing his high water mark.

Bloomberg is having a wet dream as Iowa could not have been better for him.

The big winner coming out of Iowa is Trump

Agreed except for Bloomberg. Given somewhere between 40 and 50 for Warren and Sanders combined, I can't see those voters accepting Bloomberg. He's the Che communist (emotional, revolutionary) and she's the Xi communist (technical).

Butti and Klobuchar battle to rep the side opposed to Sanders. I'd bet Klobu v Sanders in the end.

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Wow. Nancy tears up Trumps speech at his conclusion. :roflol:

When you can’t do any thing else, I guess this really showed him

[erial]

wish i had thought of this


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[dougrz]

Wow. Nancy tears up Trumps speech at his conclusion. :roflol:

When you can’t do any thing else, I guess this really showed himHer comments afterwards are telling- there was "no truth" on any of the pages. I suspected his ending few mins, praising the history of the country and extolling its exceptionalism, would really tick off the left. They utterly trash this country, its people, its history, in their pursuit of power.

We agree on nothing and share no common values anymore. Let the civil war commence in earnest.

[twotimer]

I reckon she blew a gasket when he snubbed the handshake. She squirmed like she was holding in a load of diarrhea the whole time...tore the speech up right in front of all the justices, too.

Hell hath no fury, huh?

Fantastic speech. Didn’t mention impeachment at all and didn’t need to.

Anybody wanna bet against Trump?...I’ll take the bet. Name the amount.

[accadacca]

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[BasinCruiser]

When you refuse to applaud lowest women’s unemployment ever, and best wages and opportunities for women ever, and better school choice scholarship for a young black girl for better education, doesn’t that completely discredit your claim that you’re wearing white in representation of women’s suffrage? Just asking.


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[oldno7]

Wow. Nancy tears up Trumps speech at his conclusion. :roflol:

When you can’t do any thing else, I guess this really showed him

Not to be captain obvious but:

Would be GREAT to watch Trump tear up the impeachment papers today:roflol:

[oldno7]

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Your doing it wrong



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[BasinCruiser]

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Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up.

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[dougr]

Carville's take on Sanders destroying the Dem party. I'd like to believe this obviously, but the same was said of Trump. We're witnessing both parties discarding the entrenched establishment duopoly that functionally conspired together in the post-Reagan years. I'm convinced the production of new socialists in pub schools and unis, coupled with still endless 3rd world immigration, is making Sanders' movement unstoppable.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/james-carville-bernie-sanders-scared-to-death

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[Iceaxe]

Sanders would destroy the the Democratic party the same way that Trump destroyed the Republican party. Let's not forget that before Trump we had Buch, McCain and Romney as the face and future of the party and Trump destroyed their vision. Heck, Romney isn't really considered a Republican these days. The Democratic party is heading for an interior civil war at their convention and we'll know more when the battle is over. The Democrat's need their own Tea Party type movement to fix the party, and which way that goes is currently anyone's guess. Honestly the best thing that could happen to the Democratic party is they get slaughtered in the 2020 elections as it will force a self examination and solutions for everything wrong with the party. The radical left is destroying the Democratic party and the moderates need to retake control.

#TRUMP2020

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Here is my current prediction for the DNC Convention... It will be a brokered convention. No candidate will have enough delegate's after the first ballet at which point the Super Delegates kick in for the second ballet and that will be the end of Bernie... at this time all the Bernie Bros heads will explode and the massive melt begins when they understand their candidate was screwed again by the DNC.

I will also not be surprised if Bloomberg comes out of the convention as the Democratic candidate. I think he just might be able to buy the nomination. Bloomberg's biggest downside, which is the same one Hillary faced, and that is Bloomberg is not a likable person. Bloomberg is a total ass in person, not to mention he is old, rich, white and a billionaire.

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

Hard to call, but that could easily be correct.

If Biden romps on Super Tuesday due to the black vote, he'd be right back in it and would be the overwhelming choice of the superdelegates if he survives till the end. Look at the numbers for Clinton in the larger black % contests then. Just huge.

I'll predict the following:

Sanders wins NH handily. Dem establishment downplays that as a neighboring state. Super Tues, black vote goes big for Biden and he stumbles on.

My thinking changes daily. Just too many variables.

For reference, some numbers from 2016. Sanders states then I doubt would veer from him now.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200205/1cfa67456dc7c4040a25a4aa96ccf8e6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200205/f53ab28de408ed3a0b1aba20bc624d0b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200205/7cbe524c8ed263c4bbe56e863f064046.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200205/d75fed711f85353162ebcca3d468190c.jpg

[Sombeech]

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Did you see how she looked over at the ladies in white, as to show them she was doing it? She coordinated and planned this with them, or rather, they have control over her and made her do this. It was a bold move, and I think the radical left members of the party have such leverage over her, she's just doing whatever she can to please them.

She knew impeachment wouldn't work, but that's what her party wanted. So she did it, following orders. It's not her fault impeachment didn't work, she did it so her crazies can't hold anything against her, she tried.

She is a slave in her party, doing whatever she has to for the Speaker position.

[BasinCruiser]

Who ripped it better?


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[oldno7]

Did you see how she looked over at the ladies in white, as to show them she was doing it? She coordinated and planned this with them, or rather, they have control over her and made her do this. It was a bold move, and I think the radical left members of the party have such leverage over her, she's just doing whatever she can to please them.

She knew impeachment wouldn't work, but that's what her party wanted. So she did it, following orders. It's not her fault impeachment didn't work, she did it so her crazies can't hold anything against her, she tried.

She is a slave in her party, doing whatever she has to for the Speaker position.

You give her way more credit than she deserves.

The country is hopelessly divided and those divisions were sharpened last night.

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[oldno7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=203&v=jabC1joa9ts&feature=emb_ logo

[diesel]

Anyone want to wager money on the reelection chances of Sessions this go around. Just like Romney will get reelected I'd bet he will as well.

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[oldno7]

pierre was never a Republican


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Tlzh7n4kkUg&feature=emb_lo go

[oldno7]

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[diesel]

Sorry didn't want to make this about mitt. Was more interested in y'alls thoughts about Sessions getting reelected.

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[Iceaxe]

Sorry didn't want to make this about mitt. Was more interested in y'alls thoughts about Sessions getting reelected.

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I'd vote for Sessions as Senator, he was a shitty AG, but for the most part he was a descent Senator. Sessions big mistake was excusing himself from the Mueller investigation, which had the effect of self castration.

YMMV

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[Iceaxe]

If Biden romps on Super Tuesday due to the black vote, he'd be right back in it and would be the overwhelming choice of the superdelegates if he survives till the end.

Biden is done for as his campaign is out of money and moderate donors are going elsewhere.... not to mention most folks realize Biden is suffering the first signs of dementia and spends most the day wandering around looking for the salad bar.

"Look fats, here's the deal".

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

democrats seem to be taking it all in stride.

A good .18 watch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=7ZOZP88iLz4&feature=emb_lo go

[dougr]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/money-problems-elizabeth-warren-pulls-tv-ads-after-iowa-disappointment

Her votes will go mostly to Sanders you'd think. If Biden does fade before the black vote can save him, might be Buttigieg and Sanders as the only 2 majors left.

I still fear a Klobuchar nomination, but we do need at least one other non-Bernie candidate to make his path clear.

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[Iceaxe]

You put a lot of faith in the black vote... it's not going to happen as they have nothing and no one to vote for on the Democratic ticket. There is little enthusiasm to vote in the black community this time around. You will probably never see anything close to Obama numbers again in your lifetime, that was a special time among blacks, but the Democrats keep banking on it.

And yes, if Warren folds Sanders benefits the most. And when Biden packs up and goes home Bloomberg will benefit the most....

The big question is will commie Bernie select Democrat Romney as his running mate?!?

ROFLMAO


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[BasinCruiser]

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[dougr]

You put a lot of faith in the black vote... it's not going to happen as they have nothing and no one to vote for on the Democratic ticket. There is little enthusiasm to vote in the black community this time around. You will probably never see anything close to Obama numbers again in your lifetime, that was a special time among blacks, but the Democrats keep banking on it.

And yes, if Warren folds Sanders benefits the most. And when Biden packs up and goes home Bloomberg will benefit the most....

Contrary to my first assumption about Warren voters going to Sanders, she probably wouldn't endorse him given their dustup. That would seemingly have some weight. I'd assume she endorses Klobuchar or Butti.

There isn't a lot of recent RCP polling data for coming states. Argue Bloomberg's money, that's fine. But free media is worth as much as Bloomberg's ad budget. It's what paradoxically drove Trump to overcome Jeb's massive warchest. With the Sanders/Warren/Steyer type voters who will not accept him in the end, makes things volatile.

No one is taking Butti seriously it seems. He may very well become the consensus to end the chaos and walk away with it. Especially if he upsets Sanders in his neighbor state of NH.

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[Iceaxe]

Argue Bloomberg's money, that's fine. But free media is worth as much as Bloomberg's ad budget. It's what paradoxically drove Trump to overcome Jeb's massive warchest.

Except the media has yet to give anyone anything close to the free media they gave Trump.

I also wouldn't bet against Mayor Pete right now.

If I was betting $100 today my money would go...

$50 Bloomberg
$25 Warren
$25 Mayor Pete

Where you putting your $100?

[dougr]

To add some more color, RCP's Iowa tally. More data than the 99% AP results floating around. Sanders and Warren higher than election night, Butti and Biden lower. Sure plays into the theme of the DNC trying to keep the more radical (seemingly) wing at bay.

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$100? It's getting harder. 6 months ago, it would have been:

$50 Warren
$25 Harris
$25 Biden

Now:

$35 Sanders
$35 Butti
$15 Klobu
$10 Biden
$5 Bloomberg

Sanders fundraising is still prodigious, and that's where the grassroots heart is.

But 2 days from now I'll surely bet different. Reminds me of ole Art Bell's "quickening" line. Things are changing so damn fast now.

[Iceaxe]

It appears as if Obama is unofficially backing Bloomberg at the moment as he is now narrating his TV ads.

This is the same Obama that refuses to give Biden the time of day.

Obama still carries a big stick among Demo-Rats.

The DNC will cheat Sanders out of the nomination one way or another.

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[dougrz]

It appears as if Obama is unofficially backing Bloomberg at the moment as he is now narrating his TV ads

What was I saying about things moving quickly and odds changing every day? This is a big deal and I'd have to say Bloomberg is seriously in play if not the favorite now.

Sanders needs to have Warren out after NH, and for Biden to survive long enough to deny Bloomberg that extra 10 to 15%. Otherwise, Bloomberg v Sanders 1 on 1, with Obama backing Bloomberg, thereby taking the winds out of Sanders' anti wealth attack angle, would be fairly easy for Bloomberg.

Edit: wait, is this what you're referring to: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481587-bloomberg-highlights-ties-to-obama-in-new-ad

An ad with Obama clips. Or are you talking actual narration of current ads? I'm finding nothing via a quick phone Google.

Edit 2: say Bloomberg is the nominee. I'd up my Dem sweep % from 50 to 70. You?

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[Iceaxe]

I can't find the Bloomberg/Obama ad on YouTube but starting last night it's been airing about once an hour on SLC local tv channels. The ad shows Bloomberg and Obama together and is narrated by Obama....

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

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Well, you can’t blame them for not wanting to release the results with Trump winning with all of the write in votes, can you?:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

62% of New Hampshire Democrats say they’d prefer human extinction to 2nd Trump term: pollWho says people lie in polls?


Sixty-two percent of New Hampshire Democrats said they would prefer to see a large stray shooting star crash into Earth and end all human life than suffer through the reelection of President Trump, according (https://www.uml.edu/docs/TOPLINE%20-%20UMass%20Lowell%20NH%20Dem%20Primary%2020200203_ tcm18-321680.pdf) to a UMass-Lowell poll.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-president-trump-loses-poll-to-extinction-human-race-meteor-20200207-t6kg6pmsmjd5dhgnvi3c36uuba-story.html

[oldno7]

pelosi wanted this video taken down and twitter and facebook refused

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1225553117929988097?s=20

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Great article on Sanders and his takeover of the Democratic party... and how it mirrors Trumps takeover of the Republican party.... it's an interesting read worth 3 minutes of your life....

Bernie Sanders is unstoppable -- even if Democrats won't admit it

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-democrats-ben-shapiro

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[BasinCruiser]

When all your policies absolutely suck, and nobody wants your BS, what other argument do you have? Oh, that’s right. You can always fall back on your tried and true Trump card- racism. Yes, just like Heels Up Harris claimed when she dropped out, racist Democratic voters are to blame for low Iowa caucus turn out, despite all of your candidates are ..... white. No, or couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that people in Iowa don’t support any of your identity politics and socialist ideas and platforms. How can you reach out and win more of them over and wake them up? Yes, accuse them of being racist.


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[dougrz]

^ I hear what you guys are saying and I hope you're right.

Edit: deleted my negative worry.

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[BasinCruiser]

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[dougr]

Latest NH poll shows the Warren fade going to Sanders, as we all expected.

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[BasinCruiser]

Another great pro Trump ad made by Dems. I didn’t know BO and the Clintons were working for the Trump campaign. ������


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K14GsGwdhFQ&feature=share

[dougr]

More NH Dem polls on RCP out. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html

Klobuchar 5th in all but one, where's she's 3rd. We need her kept down. Go Bernie.

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[oldno7]

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/02/image005-copy.jpg?resize=375%2C566&ssl=1

[BasinCruiser]

^^^ Wow. I’ve heard references to his platform shoes, but that’s ridiculous.

[Iceaxe]

Talk about unfair.... why does Bloomberg get a box to stand on, but non of the other candidates get a box to stand on?

How much does a box to stand on cost? Who gets to decide how tall of a box you get? Does Trump get a box?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

So I'm hearing a Bloomberg ad used Romney's floor conviction speech. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Romney endorses Bloomberg. They are identical.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[dougr]

Klobuchar rising to 3rd, she might come into play. Biden 3rd or 4th, Warren not improving. Assuming Biden rebounds in SC with a large black vote, it could be a 3 or 4 way race, 5 if Bloomberg's strategy pays off. Which I wonder btw... he's dumping money in CA, but CA politics are quite radical now.

94031

[Iceaxe]

Let me help you out.... Biden is dead and never coming back... never, ever... he is no longer in the picture. That song you hear in the background it Taps being played for his chance at a nomination.

Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Bloomberg are all competing for the same vote at the moment, with Bloomberg being the wold card. After Super Tuesday things will be a lot more clear, but I'm still betting on a brokered convention... and waiting to see how the Democrat's screw Bernie out of the nomination... Let's not forget that Bernie not even a registered Democrat. I'm thinking that Super Delegates will again be Bernie's Achilles heel.

:popcorn:

[oldno7]

AND--If this happens to bernie again, it will likely split the parties support for either.

Net result, lackluster dem turnout in november...

[dougr]

Let me help you out.... Biden is dead and never coming back... never, ever... he is no longer in the picture.

I'm not seeing more recent SC polling, but here from before the Iowa vote:

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edit 2: 538 has one more recent SC poll included:

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but I'm still betting on a brokered convention

Given that a compromise candidate might have to emerge (as opposed to one of the front runners getting the nod), Klobuchar would seem to me to be it. Acceptable to enough, while Bloomberg would not be acceptable to Sanders, Warren has made herself into a fool, Steyer is a buffoon, etc, in my thinking. Other also-rans are too small in stature: Bennett, Yang, Harris, Booker.

edit: and since CA and its delegate haul are going to be important. These polls aren't terribly recent, but they do indicate a large radical wing in the combined Sanders/Warren vote.

94033

94035

[middlefork]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvHviEC98o

[BasinCruiser]

94036

[Iceaxe]

I'm not seeing more recent SC polling, but here from before the Iowa vote:

94032

edit 2: 538 has one more recent SC poll included:

94034



Biden has already lost the Presidential election 3 time before... if you think number 4 is the charm you're smoking some really good dope.


Climb-Utah.com

[dougr]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-is-pete-buttigieg-our-first-robotic-presidential-candidate

Tucker, as usual, worth a watch/read. His prediction? Sanders v Bloomberg.

[dougr]

Biden has already lost the Presidential election 3 time before... if you think number 4 is the charm you're smoking some really good dope.

No, I don't think he's odds on to win. I simply think there's a good chance he does well enough in SC with blacks to motor on.

If he did drop out, say after a Super Tuesday wipeout, who would he endorse?

[dougr]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/technocratic-racism-bloomberg-allegedly-advocates-for-targeting-minorities-in-explosive-audio

Mmm, nothing like some nice audio to get the race baiters out in force against Bloomberg. Hopefully gets some traction. AOC should be all over this.

94037

[Iceaxe]

94038

[dougrz]

Re: Bloomberg audio. From a speech at the Aspen Institute, where he asked for the video to be kept secret. Someone leaked the audio. Like Romney's 47% comment. His flip and apology tour for "stop and frisk" were known commodities, but nothing like hearing his thoughts on minorities straight from the mouth to undo it.

"Ninety-five percent of murders- murderers and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take a description, Xerox it, and pass it out to all the cops," he said. "They are male, minorities, 16-25. That's true in New York, that's true in virtually every city (inaudible). And that's where the real crime is."

I don't see how he can expect minority voters to come out for him in big numbers. Of course the Dem machine will try to explain it away if he's nominated. But turnout will be key, and flipping GA in particular and a handful of other states will depend on a high black vote.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[dougr]

This Bloomberg audio is gaining some momentum. Trump campaign tweeted/talked about it, headline on Fox, etc. If Bloomberg is discarded, it'll be Sanders, Butti, and Klobuchar going forward. I'm thinking Klobuchar emerges from the dust.

Ask me tomorrow and I'll have a wildly different prediction. At least Iceaxe is consistent. Crazy but consistent. :lol8:

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12631/mayor_pete_in_the_end-1269765.jpg

[dougrz]

Bloomberg: whites stopped too much, minorities too little by police

Clearly Dem oppo research, presumably Sanders, Warren camps. I can't see the Dem hierarchy wanting this suppressing the minority vote in the general.

Klobuchar and Butti gain.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/11/mike-bloomberg-police-stop-whites-too-much-minorities-too-little/

"One newspaper and one news service, they just keep saying, ‘Oh it’s a disproportionate percentage of a particular ethnic group’ being targeted by the city’s stop-and-frisk policies. That may be, but it’s not a disproportionate percentage of those who witnesses and victims describe as committing the murder. In that case, incidentally, I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little."

[BasinCruiser]

Trump lost NH by 2700 votes in 2016. Could he flip it in 2020?

94042

https://bongino.com/trump-nh-rally-25-of-attendees-were-democrats-17-didnt-vote-in-2016/

[Iceaxe]

^^^I'm willing to bet any amount with anyone dumb enough to take the bet that Trump wins NH in 2020.

NH will be the easiest state of all for Trump to flip. It's a done deal unless Trump somehow manages to step on his own dick before November.

[BasinCruiser]

Another one bites the dust.

I guess he ran out of whipping cream. :ne_nau:



94043

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/andrew-yang-ends-2020-presidential-campaign/index.html

[dougrz]

My first take: weaker showing from Sanders than I expected. Add Warren's vote and you're at 35 to 37%. Klobuchar surge to 3rd is undeniable, I see her emerging in the end. And she's going to be awfully hard to beat. Bloomberg's audio clips will doom him with too large a segment of that party.

[Iceaxe]

I been telling you, Biden is done, stick a fork in him. The former VP can't even get 10% of the vote in NH. If Biden doesn't get out of the race before Super Tuesday he will hand the nomination to Sanders.

Buttigieg, Klobucher and Biden are splitting up the moderate vote and it will only get worse when Bloomberg starts drinking from the same faucet. A couple of these guys need to drop out.

Although the ideology is different, this is exactly how Trump won the GOP. Multiple establishment candidate's stayed in the race much to long fragmenting the vote and allowing the radical (Trump) to win.

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

^^^ Ingraham agrees.


94045


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-laura-ingraham-bernie-sanders-donald-trump_n_5e43a607c5b61b84d3423192

[oldno7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQlZe38WoAAIMCe?format=jpg&name=small

[BasinCruiser]

I miss Nikki.


94047

[BasinCruiser]

Don’t count Sleepy Joe out just, yet. When he looks up and sees the My Pillow CEO ahead of him, you know what he’s thinking : ‘So, you’re saying I have a chance. ‘. :naughty:


94048

[BasinCruiser]

This, coming from Libs.


94049

[BasinCruiser]

Communism... coming soon to a voting booth near you. :party:





94051

https://kfab.iheart.com/content/2020-02-12-proposed-california-bill-would-penalize-registered-voters-who-fail-to-vote/?Pname=local_social&Keyid=socialflow&Sc=editorial



Commiefornia - where illegals have the option to vote if they want, and get free healthcare. But, citizens are forced to buy health insurance and pay for the illegals, and forced to vote.

Riddle me this - what benefits/priviledge is there to being a US citizen in Commiefornia these days?

Oh, and if you're an illegal immigrant that's accused of commiting a felony, the gov will pardon you so you aren't deported. But, if you're a citizen that gets caught with a plastic straw, or you don't refer to someone with their preferred pronouns, they rush to throw your but in jail..

(Where's the: What $h!#hole are you from - thread? :ne_nau: )

[BasinCruiser]

Who knew that the proper pronunciation of ‘Pete’ is not ‘Peeeet’ ( long e), but in fact it’s really pronounced ‘Poot ‘ ( like toot ). :roflol:

Even the sorry fake news media can’t properly pronounce the simple common name correctly of one of their last men standing.


94052


https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/media-keeps-calling-pete-buttigieg-poot-video/

[oldno7]

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[dougrz]

Latest Bloomberg oppo research has dropped. His positions on this and stop and frisk are correct and reasonable. But they are not acceptable in that party. If elected, he'd become a Ralph Northam and go hellbent leftist to make amends.

"Bloomberg, in 2008, blamed end of ‘redlining’ for triggering financial crisis"


https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/bloomberg-redlining-trigger-financial-crisis?cmpid=FNC_app

[BasinCruiser]

Latest Bloomberg oppo research has dropped. His positions on this and stop and frisk are correct and reasonable. But they are not acceptable in that party. If elected, he'd become a Ralph Northam and go hellbent leftist to make amends.

"Bloomberg, in 2008, blamed end of ‘redlining’ for triggering financial crisis"


https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/bloomberg-redlining-trigger-financial-crisis?cmpid=FNC_app


Yes, this part of his history will definitely hurt him in the identity politics and anti-police crowd of the Dems, when he states that all the crime is in the Black neighborhoods and directs the cops to focus there.

[Sombeech]

Who knew that the proper pronunciation of ‘Pete’ is not ‘Peeeet’ ( long e), but in fact it’s really pronounced ‘Poot ‘ ( like toot ). :roflol:

Even the sorry fake news media can’t properly pronounce the simple common name correctly of one of their last men standing.


94052


https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/media-keeps-calling-pete-buttigieg-poot-video/


LOL I just about posted the same link

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/T1f5mmRg/3p5mek.jpg

[dougrz]

https://i.postimg.cc/T1f5mmRg/3p5mek.jpgWhy the Nazi flag? Soviet would be more appropriate.

[BasinCruiser]

94055

[BasinCruiser]

When she becomes POTUS, she’ll rename Pennsylvania Ave: Stunning and Brave


94056

[Iceaxe]

The longer Biden stays in the race the better for Sanders. I think Creepy Joe will hang around until at least Super Tuesday and by then it will be to late for anyone to stop Bernie's momentum.

Biden greeted with the chant of ‘Drop out, Joe!’ at his big bucks fundraiser.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-faces-nyc-protesters-chanting-drop-out-joe

FWIW - I think Trump prefers to face Sanders in the general and I think he most fears Bloomberg. The reason I believe Trump most fears Bloomberg at the moment is that is who he tweets about the most.

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

It looks to me like it's coming down to bernie and bloomberg.

Without bloomberg, the race would be over.

bidens voters(both of em) will go bloomberg and warrens to bernie.

Theres going to have to be some malarkey to get bloomberg the nomination

but thats in the dems wheelhouse.

I see mini mike buying his way to the nomination.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

America, are ready for this?


94061

[BasinCruiser]

If Bernie gets the shaft from the DNC, and Buttigieg gets the nomination, if he picked up Bernie as his VP, what would be their shortened name? Butt - Burn?:ne_nau:

[BasinCruiser]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Please say it isn’t for real. She literally is worse than an STD. She just will not go away. All for what? So when they lose, she can write another book ‘What Happened #metoo”, and go on another country book tour complaining about how racist America is?


94062

https://idiocracynewsmedia.com/2020/02/15/hilary-clinton-being-considered-as-michael-bloombergs-partner-in-the-running/

[dougrz]

^ It's a Bloomberg ploy to try to unite the anti-Sanders segment of the party. It doesn't have to be true, can be denied along the way, but generates some momentum.

The attack by Warren calling him a racist for his comments about redlining is extraordinary. I don't see how the Sanders-Warren wing can possibly accept him as the nominee.

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

94064

[twotimer]

Sure looks like it sucks to be a Dem right now. So damn pathetic a billionaire card carrying member of the liberal illuminate had to jump in as an act of desperation.

I reckon the liberal floor mopping will be comparable to Reagan/Mondale or Nixon/McGovern. Not so sure about getting back the House, as we’d need to win a lot of seats...perhaps to many.

With this new year, there were four things I’ve been looking forward to witnessing...the impeachment debacle falling on its face, the Trump SOTU bitchslap, the coming catastrophe of the DNC and finally the election itself...just to gleefully watch the TDS meltdown all over again.

So so far so good!

[twotimer]

America, are ready for this?


94061Nope. We did the half black guy thing, and a kick ass chick like Hailey might make it...but there’s no way in hell we’re going to elect a fudge packer.

[dougrz]

Bloomberg's basic message will be:

I'm a billionaire businessman and won't wreck the economy, but I'm a "progressive" on guns, drugs, gays, min wage, trade, and international relations, and will behave normal as prez. Basically the little bit of good from Trump while correcting all the bad.

Add $2 billion in warchest, and another 2, 5, 10 billion in free media support-- seriously hard to beat.

Go Bernie.

[BasinCruiser]

94065


on Inauguration Day, no less.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

Why are the Dems fine with super delegates, but so against the electoral college? :ne_nau:

[oldno7]

bloomberg, winning the rust belt and flyover country...



“I could teach anybody, even the people in this room” to be a farmer, he said, calling agriculture “a process.”
“You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn,” he said.
He spoke similarly of factory jobs as mechanical repetition requiring no brain power.
“You put the piece of metal in the lathe, you turn the crank in the direction of the arrow, and you can have a job,” he continued.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/16/michael-bloomberg-video-belittles-farming-factory-/

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/O8DLZCS.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

Did Bidens team leave him and go join the Bloomberg team? He has been making some gaffes recently that only Creepy Joe would be proud of.

Sounds like he’s really going after the senior vote here.

94079


https://www.forbes.com/sites/patriciagbarnes/2020/02/17/bloomberg-said-us-should-deny-treatment-to-old-people-with-chronic-disease/

[BasinCruiser]

Will the response ‘learn to farm’ replace ‘learn to code’ when leftist journalists are laid off?:ne_nau:


94080

https://bongino.com/elitist-bloomberg-slammed-after-video-emerges-of-his-demeaning-remarks-about-farmers/

[dougrz]

These aren't Bloomberg gaffes as much as they're the thinking of an ultra elitist. Tucker's comments were spot on about this, as usual.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-bloomberg-cynical-political-campaign

"Without even pausing,*Bloomberg grovels... and attacks his own legacy. Why do you do that? Because, he doesn't care. Whatever, they're only words," Carlson said. "He'll do whatever it takes. Now, they say politicians are ethically flexible. Of course they are, but this is different. There's something ominous about it."

"Bloomberg can seamlessly change his core beliefs because he doesn't think his beliefs are relevant to the outcome of this race," Carlson added. "Only his wealth matters."


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[dougrz]

So Bloomberg qualified for the Wed debate stage in Nevada. He can't hide behind TV ads anymore. He's a dull, unlikable personality. We'll see how that goes over on live TV.

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[dougrz]

538's latest odds...

I heard a conservative talking head muse that Michelle Obama might emerge as the brokered nominee.

I think that's possible, though I'm sticking with Klobuchar being the brokered pick.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200219/6914a81c69fd33030f0225327eec2c35.jpg

[Iceaxe]

If you want real odds here is the current Vegas betting line... these are the guys actually putting their money where their mouth is and have no political bias... They pretty much have Bernie signed sealed and delivered....

To read the odds a +110 means if you bet $100 you will make a $110 profit (collect $210 at the window. Your bet plus your profit).

Just as I have.... Vegas has written Biden off as a $100 bet wins you $1000 profit. Warren is also in free fall...

Vegas thinks is going to be Sanders against Bloomberg with Buttigieg as a dark horse. And I think they are pretty much spot on if we were voting today. Remember betting odds are a snapshot in time and are always changing. When you place a bet you get the odds posted at the time of your bet. If you had of bet $100 on Bernie last month your profit would have be $215 if he won.

Vegas doesn't give Klobuchar a snowballs chance in hell....

Vegas does have "Micheal" Obama on the board and you can bet on "it" to win. A $100 bet would win you $10,000.

94088

[rockgremlin]

^^^What this tells me is that it's going to be Bloomberg vs. Trump this Fall because I don't think there's any way this country will ever consider a blatant socialist for president...at least not now. Not to mention...the DNC will find a way to put a torpedo broadside to the S.S. Sanders in due time...just like they did in 2016.

Another indicator that points to Bloomberg is that Trump tweets about Bloomberg frequently. This means he's watching him closely, and plotting for the eventual showdown later this year.

[Iceaxe]

I think Trump fears Bloomberg the most.... but I just don't see how the DNC will be able to screw Bernie out of the nomination again this year if he is still on top after Super Tuesday. if they do the Bernie Bros and liberal wing will burn the Democratic party to the ground.

Right now I'm just watching and curious to see how the DNC will try to screw Bernie.... because you just know they are going to try....

And I'm hoping like hell Bernie wins the Democratic nomination... as there is no way in hell this country will elect a socialist..... at least not for several more years....

94089

[dougrz]

94089

What were you saying? Sorry, lost track.

If it goes brokered, I don't recall if delegates can be pledged/given by a candidate cutting a deal, or if they're released and free to vote with a candidate's voting advice only. That detail might weigh on the outcome.

[dougrz]

If it goes brokered, I don't recall if delegates can be pledged/given by a candidate cutting a deal, or if they're released and free to vote with a candidate's voting advice only. That detail might weigh on the outcome.

So I'm reading that superdelegates do not vote on the first ballot. After the first ballot, all delegates become free.

That would seem to weigh initially for Sanders, superdels not counted. But after that, the other 60% to 70% of dels could easily deny him.

[Iceaxe]

The DNC has delegates and super delegates.... I believe their rules and voting power are different. I could be wrong.

I know super delegates don't come into play unless it goes to a second vote. It was the super delegates that hosed Bernie last time and why the rules were changed so they couldn't vote until round two.

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

I'm not able to watch the Dem debate tonight. But I did see a headline about Warren's attack on Bloomberg and NDAs with women. Bloomberg's response read bad in text. Awaiting Iceaxe 's take on MB's performance and that specific interchange.

[double moo]

The DNC is a private Corporation that will put into the game whom ever they deem in their best interest. To me the 2016 election pretty much proved that to be the case. Sad that a private corporation gets to rule our government... well 2 of them actually. The difference to me is that the RNC chickened out on letting the public know they were in control and allowed us to vote in Trump... whom they hated at the time but now make out as their great accomplishment.

It also bothers me that our taxes pay millions to put on the elections (including primaries) knowing that the private coporation involved could effectively nullify the results if they don't as planned - i.e. Bernie torpedo. Bring on the Super Delagates! leak hard to overcome issues, whatever it takes to sway (bend) the public to their will. It's their candidate, not yours...

https://apple.news/AOkUtFgN7QIqOh3qeL5fmMg

And they are non profit and tax exempt.

[dougrz]

^ That's really interesting. On one hand I agree, parties are private, and that's why I oppose open primaries. Groups have a right to have their own rules. But on the other hand, they literally could nullify a vote. In which case voting could become literally irrelevant.

[dougr]

Home late, watching some outtakes. Warren really damaged Bloomberg with that exchange. Bloomberg had some good lines about Sanders and communism and being a millionaire socialist with three homes. But it just seems to me Bloomberg is a poor candidate in the flesh, especially since ads had made him out to be such a grand figure the last month, and doubly especially since he's running in the modern hard left Dem party.

Overall: Trump won
Of Dems: Bernie held serve, Warren positive a bit, Bloomberg damaged, all others neutral. Which is a Bernie win since the non-Bernie vote remains split 3 or 4 ways. Bernie might top 30% in NV. If he then takes SC, he'll do well on Super Tuesday and might walk to an easy plurality.

As for the convention, the fact superdelegates don't vote on the first ballot, then on the 2nd ballot superdelegates vote and all other regular delegates are freely released, that makes a truly "brokered" convention unlikely. Brokered meaning deals between candidates. It'll be "brokered" light, going past the first ballot potentially.

Candidates cannot tie their delegate votes to anyone. They can only endorse. Absolutely no telling where delegates would end up voting. Most are just party activists who wanted a ticket to a convention and committed early to a candidate. No telling if they still actually want that candidate even now. They're people too and can change their minds.That's assuming the D process is like the R process I went through with a gf trying to become a delegate in 2012. It was early in the year at a state convention meeting well before Iowa even. So many things change in the months long process.

[oldno7]

I had to watch and I'll tell you==I was entertained.

Was the funniest thing watching these idiots hold up there hand so they would be called and they showed less restraint than a first grader.

ooohh---ooohh pick me, pick me.

Down and dirty for sure, biden couldn't say what he meant and stumbled--a lot.

bernie doubles down on democratic socialism BUT it's not communism(claim made by bloomberg)

They all spent 104,003,125 trillion dollars of our money on every program and debt forgiveness they could think of, without taking a breath.( I rounded off the figure):mrgreen:

klobachar seemed the most centrist and was criticized for saying she could work with both sides.

poot attacked everybody but most notably, klobachar

Overall, a great night for Donald Trump.

[oldno7]

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