2020

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

LOL...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190915/37e0a1c655fe80bffb29a98c13bdb140.jpg

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[BasinCruiser]

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[dougrz]

I think Harris doubling down on impeaching Kavanaugh after the NYT story was exposed is the final nail to her chances. Warren v Biden now.

[dougrz]

The Israeli elections I think are a harbinger for the US. For that country to put in a coalition including the Arab parties that openly wants the end of the Jewish state is unthinkable. Yet apparently that's what they're on the cusp of doing.

The suicide of Western Civilization continues. Speaks to the power of the media and govt run schooling.

[dougrz]

Latest polls showing Harris sinking. Coupled with these new confirmations that Biden didn't believe Anita Hill, I don't see what can stop Warren. Bernie is too old and too male.

[Iceaxe]

Latest polls showing Harris sinking. Coupled with these new confirmations that Biden didn't believe Anita Hill, I don't see what can stop Warren. Bernie is too old and too male.

Warren currently looks good.... but I was listening to Donna Brazile today and she still says don't count out one of the other contenders emerging. Brazile says she isn't ready to get married to one of the top three just yet. And if you don't know who Donna Brazile is you should. At one time she was head of the DNC, not to mention she is smart, intelligent and is not totally batshit crazy like most the current Democrats. Donna Brazile is also the person that gave Hillary the questions before the debate with Trump that gave her a massive advantage that she still managed to squander.

Brazile seems to believe, and I agree with her, that any of the current top three will get steam rolled by Trump. Her and many other Democrats appear to be hoping for a Biden type candidate that isn't step on his own dick Biden.

I think it's still much to early to pick a winner. At this point in the 2016 election Jeb Bush looked like a sure thing for the GOP, and we all know how that turned out.

FWIW - Andrew Yang is the current dark horse that is surging in the latest polls. He just blew past Heels Up Harris to capture 5th spot in the polls. Yang is at 8% last time I looked and that's pretty good.

YMMV

:popcorn:

[Iceaxe]

Interesting...

UK gambling site has more bets for Hillary Clinton winning Dem nomination than anyone actually running

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gambling-site-has-more-bets-for-hillary-clinton-winning-dem-nomination-than-anyone-actually-running

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[dougrz]

Brazile seems to believe, and I agree with her, that any of the current top three will get steam rolled by Trump

I know Brazile well. But Yang, Harris, et al, there's no reason for Warren to surrender the increasing lead. Now 6 on Biden according to a poll on Breitbart tonight.

But Warren v Trump? It's just demographics at this point. Trump won 60-40 with a 1980 electorate, but lost 51-49 (or whatever) now. And every year that gets worse. What was the D over R in house races last year? 58-42 or something? And anger on the other side of unprecedented level. And a sharp, technical communist in Warren who will logically argue for a govt takeover of our lives. And a tech industry actively suppressing our side. I'm not optimistic.

Factoid: I worked a full month on the Trump campaign, did 4000+ calls tallied on the system, and knocked on 200+ doors. I'm diehard.

[rockgremlin]

Factoid: I worked a full month on the Trump campaign, did 4000+ calls tallied on the system, and knocked on 200+ doors. I'm diehard.




So, did you meet Putin? :haha:

[double moo]

So, did you meet Putin? :haha:

He was never around... hung out with the DNC most days.

[Iceaxe]

I heard Putin was busy reading Hillary's emails...

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Heels Up Harris just went down in flames....

Kamala Harris asks audience if America is 'ready' for her presidency, crowd shouts 'No'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-asks-audience-if-america-is-ready-for-her-presidency-crowd-shouts-no

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[dougrz]

Heels Up Harris just went down in flames....

Kamala Harris asks audience if America is 'ready' for her presidency, crowd shouts 'No'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-asks-audience-if-america-is-ready-for-her-presidency-crowd-shouts-no

Climb-Utah.comThat's hilarious. The article mentions a poll with Biden at 29, Sanders 18, and Warren 16. That's surprising. I think Biden would be a weaker candidate than Warren at this point. Add further Ukraine and China corruption revelations and then even better.

[BasinCruiser]

Heels Up Harris just went down in flames....

Kamala Harris asks audience if America is 'ready' for her presidency, crowd shouts 'No'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-asks-audience-if-america-is-ready-for-her-presidency-crowd-shouts-no

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I read reports that they were actually shouting ‘hoe’.

[dougrz]

Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney's anti-Trump tweets on this subject now fulfill how I expected this all to go:

1. Trump is impeached
2. The senate trial ends with a majority supporting removal but not 2/3
3. Romney and Sasse lead the Repub defectors, which will number 3 to as high as 10. Gardner and Collins two fence sitters in blue states defecting, for example. Which means 51 to 58 votes to remove
4. Dem campaign will effectively be, "a majority believe he's guilty, but only the antiquated 2/3 requirement saved him."
5. The weight of this blow, coupled with demographics and unrelenting 24/7 media, elects Warren and a Dem congressional sweep.

I'm investing accordingly.

I'd say 1 in 3 odds he's removed. The DC Repub party power echelon is still more aligned with the corporate wing than with us. Beyond the tax cuts and some deregulation, they do not want immigration controls and upset to the China trade. Trump is now more a problem than trying to lobby and manage Dem majorities in their eyes. Immigration and increased consumers here, coupled with a return to the status quo of Chinese outsourcing, represents serious, easy corporate money.

[BasinCruiser]

Not gonna lie - thought this was pretty cool. Thought accadacca would appreciate.

http://www.facebook.com/conservativenationusa/videos/363786234526648?sfns=mo (https://www.facebook.com/conservativenationusa/videos/363786234526648?sfns=mo)

[oldno7]

^^^^^Great Video

[Iceaxe]

6 months ago I told you I think Hillary will run for President again... I still believe she will. As Biden goes down in flames the Democrats have no one else that can challenge Trump as all other candidates are extreme left. The DNC knows this and will pull Hillary v3.0 off the rack. I think the big reason they haven't already is her health is poor and they want to save the wear and tear. YMMV

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[devo_stevo]

Yeah, I'm waiting for that announcement.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Changing the narrative....
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[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

^^^ Looks like Antifa.

[Iceaxe]

Things just got a lot more interesting...

Gabbard dares Clinton to run for president in 2020, fights back against assertions that she is a Russian asset

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gabbard-dares-clinton-run-for-president-in-2020-fights-back-against-assertions-that-she-is-a-russian-asset

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[rockgremlin]

So I guess if you're not kissing Hillary's ass then you must be a Russian operative. :roll:

[Iceaxe]

Your a Russian, and your a Russian, and your a Russian.... Hahaha...

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[Iceaxe]

If only we could be so lucky...
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[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

I've stated for a year that Hillary will run again in 2020. I expect her to declare sometime in January. Tulsi Gabbard is the only current Democratic candidate central enough and smart enough to give Trump a run, which is why Hillary tried to destroy her last week.

Hillary Clinton mulling 2020 run, citing weak Dem field, claim of email vindication

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-2020-rematch-trump-presidential-race-new-york-times-washington-post

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[dougrz]

I've stated for a year that Hillary will run again in 2020. I expect her to declare sometime in January. Tulsi Gabbard is the only current Democratic candidate central enough and smart enough to give Trump a run, which is why Hillary tried to destroy her last week.

Hillary Clinton mulling 2020 run, citing weak Dem field, claim of email vindication

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-2020-rematch-trump-presidential-race-new-york-times-washington-post

Climb-Utah.comI've thought Warren would be the nominee from the get-go. But I have to hand you one on this call. I suspect she's clamoring for attention more than anything and won't get in. Her ego is massive, but maybe her lust for power is even more so and she will.

Given that, though, I still believe the Bernie/Warren wing is larger than support for her now. Yet Bernie and Warren are splitting that vote, so she might get in and be the front runner from the start. Which goes a long way toward getting the nomination.

[Iceaxe]

The Democrats might still nominate Warren, but she will get steamrolled in a general. Her Socialist values will not play to middle America. There are still to many old people voting that grew up during the Cold War and understand what Socialism really is.

The DNC is also having difficulty raising money as big business doesn't want to donate to a program that will destroy them. In contrast the RNC is currently raking in cash by the truck loads. The RNC currently has a massive war chest.

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[rockgremlin]

I've thought Warren would be the nominee from the get-go. But I have to hand you one on this call. I suspect she's clamoring for attention more than anything and won't get in. Her ego is massive, but maybe her lust for power is even more so and she will.

Given that, though, I still believe the Bernie/Warren wing is larger than support for her now. Yet Bernie and Warren are splitting that vote, so she might get in and be the front runner from the start. Which goes a long way toward getting the nomination.


The upshot here is that the Dems are split at least three different ways which is a good thing. It's hard to defeat the incumbent when you only have the support of a third of the party.

Meanwhile, the Trump Train is full steam ahead...

[Iceaxe]

Trump campaign's message to Hillary Clinton is 'please' run in 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-campaign-2020-hillary-rematch

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[Iceaxe]

Hahaha https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191024/22bba297c703e5c4c8bc3904c9ccabef.jpg

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[Iceaxe]

Honesty....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/a5e085a13f10710d0ac325f1969439d0.jpg

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[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

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Some context...provided by CNN even! :eek2:


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-intl-hnk/index.html

[oldno7]

This had to be an impeachable offense.

He'll surely go down now.:crazy:

[Iceaxe]

The gun grabbing fake Mexican Beto just bailed....

Former Texas congressman Beto O'Rourke drops out of 2020 presidential race

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-drops-out-of-2020-race

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[BasinCruiser]

Troll in chief

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[Iceaxe]

Trump is a platinum level troll ;-)

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[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

The gun grabbing fake Mexican Beto just bailed....

Former Texas congressman Beto O'Rourke drops out of 2020 presidential race

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-drops-out-of-2020-race

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I'm guessing he was gently nudged in this direction after his ridiculous comment about wanting to take away everyone's guns.

[Iceaxe]

Beto was the "zombie candidate" after his gun grabbing remarks... he was a dead man walking, he just didn't know it.

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191102/08b77e9570dd0236ec068100774617fc.jpg

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[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

This is the best the Dems can come up with?

Wrong Way Joe strikes again. :bootyshake:

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[oldno7]

thats just :crazy:

[Iceaxe]

I'm revising my 2020 Predictions...

There is no way in hell that Hillary can run as she is about to be swept up in the Durham investigation where they investigate the investigators. She will be front and center as she paid for the fake Dossier that started the entire thing. This has recently been reclassified as a criminal investigation, which means someone is going down (that person won't be Hillary as someone else will have to fall on the sword).

Pocahontas is out as she is to radical to win a general and the Democratic party knows that. There is a possibility she is elected but she will not win a general, especially after her Health Care plan was revelled and requires more money then God has to make it work.

Biden, the great white hope, is out as everyone with any smarts can tell the gaffe machine is suffering the onset of dementia.

I think the Democrat's are going to have to go to the second string to find a candidate. Maybe Mayor Pete or Perhaps Bloomburg.

The Democratic party is currently a train wreck.

[twotimer]

I'd say that within 6 months of Trump getting elected, the Dems knew they were going to lose 2020. That's why no one with half a brain is running...the same thing happened in '84, '96, '08 and '12. The Dems are just going to rake in the money from the true believers and live the high life.

I think the last man standing will be Bernie. Joe Biden was the ONLY thing "moderate" Dems could stomach and that dude is indeed fading fast. The smart thing to do is limit his campaign appearances to twice a week and somehow get his ass to the Convention...at least what's left of the Democrat Party can make a last stand...otherwise the Bernie Bro's are going to be there in force and get that goofy commie fart across the finish line.

Bloomberg doesn't need or want the money and he likely doesn't want to get humiliated. Pete hasn't go a chance either, this country "may" have been "ready" for a black President, but we sure as hell aren't ready for a gay one.

My best hope is that we win back the House big time...make these stupid Dems irrelevant.

[Iceaxe]

My best hope is that we win back the House big time...make these stupid Dems irrelevant.

This is a HUGE problem for Democrats, if middle America is not enthusiastic about their presidential candidate they will stay home and this will effect all down ballot candidates. The Democrats run the strong possibility of losing the house.


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[Sombeech]

They know they won't win the election, but it doesn't mean they can't make more money by running a failed campaign.

Hell if I had the resources to run a presidential campaign against Trump, I'd do it to. I know I wouldn't win, but I'd make a lot of money in the process.

[dougrz]

I don't know how you guys can keep the optimism. Tonight's results in VA and KY bode ill for 2020. Though there's no doubt in my mind Trump's policies are favored over the Dem's radical ones, his behavior and rhetoric have been too much for too many, imo. I see a Warren/Dem sweep.

I think tonight increases the chances of enough Repub senators seeking to oust Trump. The party apparatus will decide to save itself by doing so.

Iceaxe, I'd rebalance your record portfolio. I got out of 90% of my US stocks about a month ago. With record earnings, record prices, and a strong dollar, you have to point to something meaningful to move more positive. Is there a greater chance of more deregulation and tax cuts or the opposite? Downside risk is huge in my eyes, with a Repub hold in 2020 not moving the needle given the filibuster.

I'm doing some hard money loans that expire well before the election, and have all other holdings outside the US, besides the equity in my house.

[dougrz]

93417These numbers don't comfort me. Running against literal communists, the gap should be and would have been 20 or 30 in a normal America.

[Iceaxe]

Same old story... you still have to start with quality candidates.... the KY governor stepped on his own dick by going after teachers and retirement funds and was the most unpopular governor in the US with an approval rating in the low 30's.

The GOP swept the rest of KY winning 5 of the 6 spots Trump campaigned for. Of course #FAKENEWS forgets to report that fact.

[Iceaxe]

So I looked at the election results from last night and here is my two cents. Both sides have something to cheer about and both sides need to take a serious warning. As we have seen time and again in recent years a quality candidate will defeat a crook and/or asshole. Extreme's on both sides lost big last night, every candidate that won in a close race was a moderate, that was pretty much middle of the road.

The presidential election in 2020 will be decided in 6 to 9 purple states. If you can win the majority in those states you will win in 2020. These national polls you keep seeing mean nothing as we are a Republic and not a true democracy. The majority doesn't rule, just ask Hillary about that.

The only two Democratic candidates I currently see that could win those 6 to 9 purple states are Biden or Gabbard as everyone else is extreme left and that's just not going to fly. If you want to know how the 2020 election will really go watch the purple states.These are the states I'll be watching closely: Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin as that is where 2020 will be won or lost.

YMMV :flag:

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

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Republicans wouldn't have to do anything.

sleepy joe would suicide himself.

THEN--she could be president!!!!

[Iceaxe]

Looks like Michael Bloomberg is entering the Presidential race. While I can't stand the guy he will give the Democrats a moderate who isn't Creepy Joe. If Bloomberg enters the race my money instantly goes on him to win the Democratic nomination.

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[BasinCruiser]

Looks like Michael Bloomberg is entering the Presidential race. While I can't stand the guy he will give the Democrats a moderate who isn't Creepy Joe. If Bloomberg enters the race my money instantly goes on him to win the Democratic nomination.

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A ridiculously rich old white guy. How will the SJWs ever handle this? If he won the nomination, they would say that they have to either vote for Trump, or.... Trump. Their heads would explode.
:kboom:

[Iceaxe]

I think most the social justice warriors will be more than happy to vote for anyone but Trump.

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[Iceaxe]

That's funny....

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[devo_stevo]

I'd love to see that.

[dougrz]

Looks like Michael Bloomberg is entering the Presidential race. While I can't stand the guy he will give the Democrats a moderate who isn't Creepy Joe. If Bloomberg enters the race my money instantly goes on him to win the Democratic nomination.

Climb-Utah.comThat would be interesting. I'd expect Biden to fade if so, yes. But once the field thins and the hard left picks their one, I still don't see how the "moderate" wing of the party wins that tussle.

Buttigieg has been proclaimed the next moderate to rise, so Bloomberg faces his potential momentum.

I don't follow polls or the news. Just convos with people and snippets here and there. I'm probably completely wrong.

[oldno7]

Well alright then, everyone gets free stuff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=mpJAIEJCyro&feature=emb_l ogo

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Will Bloomberg’s position on weed be the prominent nail in his candidacy coffin before it even gets off the ground? Although, while the left predominantly supports pot, theory suggests that the Dems will fight against FEDERAL legalization anyway, because it is a backdoor route to gun prohibition for partakers. Which is probably the real reason he is against it.

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https://reason.com/2019/01/23/michael-bloomberg-legalizing-weed-is-per/?fbclid=IwAR2HYmnlC08CwsjColIvm7gFQOeFb-DN7wlIi49b4vgnPO8Ycqnivw_pH9U

[rockgremlin]

Will Bloomberg’s position on weed be the prominent nail in his candidacy coffin before it even gets off the ground? Although, while the left predominantly supports pot, theory suggests that the Dems will fight against FEDERAL legalization anyway, because it is a backdoor route to gun prohibition for partakers. Which is probably the real reason he is against it.

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https://reason.com/2019/01/23/michael-bloomberg-legalizing-weed-is-per/?fbclid=IwAR2HYmnlC08CwsjColIvm7gFQOeFb-DN7wlIi49b4vgnPO8Ycqnivw_pH9U


Oh because our "war on drugs" was going so well? Mexico is on the brink of legalizing and MJ is already legal in Canada. So we'd be sandwiched between two countries who have legalized.

Trump should just come out and legalize weed thereby taking away that gun prohibition backdoor loophole. It's going to happen eventually anyway, might as well be Trump who gets the credit.

[Iceaxe]

Legalize ALL drugs, force users to register, and you will know who the criminals are because a guy with a $200 a day drug habit and no job is someone you should be watching. Not to mention it will eliminate the cartels and organized crime. The final step is to tax the shit out of recreational drugs and use the money to get addicts the help they really need and repair the damage drugs cause.

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[rockgremlin]

Legalize ALL drugs, force users to register, and you will know who the criminals are because a guy with a $200 a day drug habit and no job is someone you should be watching. Not to mention it will eliminate the cartels and organized crime. The final step is to tax the shit out of recreational drugs and use the money to get addicts the help they really need and repair the damage drugs cause.

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Totally agree with this although you'd be burned at the stake for saying something like this in public. Drugs have been demonized and vilified to the extent that the notion of legalizing them is unspeakable for the vast majority of the general population.

Seems to be working reasonably well in Portugal though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

[Sombeech]

Unfortunately the taxes on substances NEVER work out to fund the wanted programs.

[Iceaxe]

That's because it's not written into the law that it can't be used elsewhere. Taxes work when they are earmarked for a specific use in the law, but if they are sweep into the general fund not so much...

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[BasinCruiser]

Another problem with the 'tax the @#$# out of rec drugs' is that when they are so high, this still creates a demand for blackmarket product, which puts a hard ceiling on how much $ revenue will actually be pulled in.

Also, the problem with taxing products and earmarking them specifically for program A, is that it often doesn't do anything for program A because the funds are rarely increased. In other words, let's say for example that the government takes $1M out of the general fund to pay for program A. Then they pass a law to tax a product and earmark those funds for program A. In effect, they then stop pulling money from the general fund for program A, an program A is left to be funded purely from those earmarked funds. If those earmarked funds only amont to $1M, then all you've really done is increase the general fund by $1M by not taking it out of the general to fund program A.

Sorry, i didn't mean to sidetrack this thread to a conversation about what to do with MJ. I was simply questioning how Bloomberg's stance on MJ will affect his candidacy for 2020 POTUS.

[rockgremlin]

Regardless of anyone's stance on MJ, one thing is for certain that I think everyone can agree with:

It costs much more to continue this failed war on drugs than it does to just legalize and tax. And that is something that any 2020 candidate can and should address.

[twotimer]

I was simply questioning how Bloomberg's stance on MJ will affect his candidacy for 2020 POTUS.He's toast.

[twotimer]

Legalize ALL drugs
Up until pretty recently, I was very much against this. I reckoned it'll just eat up more lives.

Now I don't care...there's already shittons of tore up people anyway. What's a few tens of thousands more?

Funny...the older I've gotten, the less I care about the "general public". I'm not misanthropic, just over spending so much brain power on being concerned.

[Iceaxe]

I always look at alcohol and prohition to see what a disaster it is to try and legislate morals. Alcohol is still a problem, but by legalizing it we have much more control over it's use, distribution and the problems that come with it.

FWIW - I believe prostitution should be legalized for basically the same reasons.

[rockgremlin]

I always look at alcohol and prohition to see what a disaster it is to try and legislate morals. Alcohol is still a problem, but by legalizing it we have much more control over it's use, distribution and the problems that come with it.

FWIW - I believe prostitution should be legalized for basically the same reasons.

^^^YES!!^^^

By keeping prostitution illegal we are contributing to human trafficking...a problem much, much worse than prostitution.

[Iceaxe]

***insert eye roll here****

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[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

Offer someone cash at a voting booth, go to jail. Offer them cash on a campaign ad, A-OK 🤦



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[Iceaxe]

Both Bernie and Warren are also bribing the voters.... the big problem is the voters they are targeting are to dumb to understand there is not enough money in the world to give them everything they were promised.

[rockgremlin]

https://www.ksl.com/article/46678197/takeaways-from-the-5th-democratic-2020-presidential-debate


From this article:

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[oldno7]

rumor has it--mayor pete is rising in the poles.

some didn't see him coming from behind.

[Iceaxe]

I called Mayor Pete six months ago... if I knew how to search this thread I would have quoted it.

It's really a no brainer as most candidates are too far left to defeat Trump and everyone knows that except for the extreme left.

Biden would have been the Democrats best candidate but he is losing his metal capacity to old age and everyone can see it.

Tulsi Gabbard is the Democrats best candidate and could beat Trump, but the DNC has rigged the election against her similar to what they did to Bernie in 2016. I'm not exactly sure what Gabbard did to draw the ire of the DNC, other than refuse to support Hillary in 2016, but she has crossed a line somewhere the DNC will not forgive.

So that leaves Mayor Pete currently as the only viable moderate alternative by default. Or at least until one of these late race additions jumps in with both feet.

I also still believe Hillary will make a play of some type. She is holding out because her health will not allow a long term run.

If the Democrats run a socialist from the extreme left they will lose the presidency, but even a bigger catastrophe will be they'll get slaughtered in the down ballet elections.

I'm assuming that commonsense will eventually grab hold in the DNC and they will settle on a moderate. What surprises me more is why a couple other candidates running with low poll numbers have not tried to stake out a more moderate platform. Whomever the DNC nominates will be making a mad dash to the center for the general election as that is standard operating procedure.

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[dougrz]

Whomever the DNC nominates will be making a mad dash to the center for the general election as that is standard operating procedure.
Good analysis. The wild card is demographics. Old rules don't apply when real Americans are dying, anti-American millenials are getting brainwashed in schools, and blank slate non-American immigration continues at a staggering rate.

I don't see any way out of a CA electorate overall, where reality doesn't matter and the left wins everything no matter what. The country is in serious danger of being destroyed.

[BasinCruiser]

93555

[oldno7]

https://image.cagle.com/232043/750/232043.png

[dougrz]

https://image.cagle.com/232043/750/232043.pngBloomberg's will be an interesting candidacy. Bernie already opened the battle lines at, "We won't let a billionaire buy an election." Seems an old, white, and uber rich man would have no chance in the modern Dem parry.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/e4su5hJ.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Bloomberg's will be an interesting candidacy. Bernie already opened the battle lines at, "We won't let a billionaire buy an election." Seems an old, white, and uber rich man would have no chance in the modern Dem parry.

Yeah... the millionaire's trying to buy elections with other people's money (OPM) really hate it when the billionaire's jump in with their own money...

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

***Mike Drop***

Trump campaign bans Bloomberg News from events over ‘troubling and wrong’ decision

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-campaign-bloomberg-news-credential-ban

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[BasinCruiser]

:roflol::roflol:

Requesting to run.... headfirst into a wood chipper.

93589

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/03/watch-hillary-clinton-says-shes-deluged-with-requests-to-run-again/

[Iceaxe]

Heels Up Harris drops out of presidential race

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-drops-out-of-presidential-race

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[BasinCruiser]

Worn out knees? :ne_nau:

I guess those racist sexist Democrats aren’t ready for a strong Black woman as POTUS.

[rockgremlin]

Heels Up Harris drops out of presidential race

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-drops-out-of-presidential-race

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Gotta make room for Hillary.

[dougrz]

Given the impeachment trial will pull Sanders and Warren off the trail, Buttigieg v Biden in early 2020.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/isvB8IN.jpg

[oldno7]

https://image.cagle.com/232400/750/232400.png

[oldno7]

http://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78952307_10157836009204444_1309837752514117632_o.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=pQyM-cyKCi0AQklMdIrbw3W42v2XeogcQVpuBNlqvB-7lbBgaSAgSXGVA&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-1.fna&oh=869bb8f4095a940654a67d253b2bc660&oe=5E770DD8

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

93608

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/kxul1EA.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/PPdjqZy.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/N9lKb5k.png

[oldno7]

yea, he really did this

https://i.redd.it/14a7q9jf7p241.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/o78qsqkuzo241.png

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/6ut5fvrtep241.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

93609

[rockgremlin]

93609


Oh my hell did she really say that?

Please tell me this is a photoshop...

[BasinCruiser]

Oh my hell did she really say that?

Please tell me this is a photoshop...


It was on Facebook, so it HAS to be real. :roflol:

[dougrz]

93608Explanacio, por favor.

Edit: apparently some comment he made about hair on his legs.

[BasinCruiser]

You know you can’t resist her.

93621

[BasinCruiser]

Like a terrible STD. She just won’t go away.

93631

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/hillary-clinton-emerges-top-choice-democratic-vote/

[rockgremlin]

^^^Blows my mind that 20% actually want Biden. Are they paying attention? :ne_nau:

[dougrz]

Glad to see Buttigieg so low. I think he's the biggest threat at this point.

[BasinCruiser]

Glad to see Buttigieg so low. I think he's the biggest threat at this point.
As far left as his policies are, he seems to be extremely intelligent, and could really do damage in a debate.

[Iceaxe]

^^^Blows my mind that 20% actually want Biden. Are they paying attention? :ne_nau:

Biden is so high because look at the other candidates that are all extremely left. Also Biden is a known comodaty and that's always a comfortable position as voters know what they are getting.

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[oldno7]

http://www.sondrakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/stupid-debates-shinola.jpg

[oldno7]

https://cdn.creators.com/199/267960/267960_image.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/7VhU0FO.jpg

[oldno7]

https://cdn.creators.com/209/267936/267936_image.jpg

[oldno7]

http://magaimg.net/img/9x4c.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/o2O8j5T.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/kf2r8od9m2341.jpg

[oldno7]

whooo-weee
Ain't no way he escapes this debacle...

https://i.redd.it/vdri6noo64341.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/dbj32kqzs8341.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/h2brsg8b97341.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKHxQ9Jd/get.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

^^^ Wrong. Only acceptable way to recycle that STD petree dish on wheels is with 10 gallons of gas and a blow torch.

:annie:

[BasinCruiser]

ROFLMAO. And, she only needed 3 lanes.

93646

[Iceaxe]

^^^THIS is where you really see #FAKENEWS at it's best, as they will be reporting Pocahontas is leading in whatever state those pictures were taken. Same as Hillary's projection of winning was 99%.

[twotimer]

ROFLMAO. And, she only needed 3 lanes.

93646Actually, it looks like one lane would do fine if they pulled everyone in a little closer.

[Iceaxe]

Hillary Clinton is unofficially in the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination.... she just hasn't announced it yet....

I expect her to officially announce just after the first of the year... unofficially she is already working on rigging the primaries to ensure she wins.

It’s almost like Hillary enjoys leaving all her voters hanging...

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[BasinCruiser]

93648

[twotimer]

So Bloomburg comments on the elections in England by saying "People want evolutionary change, not revolutionary change"...and on the same day declares that ALL U.S coal fired power plants should be shut down. I don't give that guy much of a chance.

[Iceaxe]

If democrats are not scared shitless by what happened in yesterday's UK election that just means they are not paying attention....

The UK election should have scared the socialism out of all Democrats

#MAGA.

[rockgremlin]

So Bloomburg comments on the elections in England by saying "People want evolutionary change, not revolutionary change"...and on the same day declares that ALL U.S coal fired power plants should be shut down. I don't give that guy much of a chance.

Good luck with that. About 78% of all electricity in Utah is from a coal fired power plant.

[BasinCruiser]

If democrats are not scared shitless by what happened in yesterday's UK election that just means they are not paying attention....

The UK election should have scared the socialism out of all Democrats

#MAGA.

Creepy Joe seems to agree. Will anyone listen to him, or will this just further alienate him from the pack?

93664



https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-points-to-conservative-wins-in-uk-elections-as-warning-to-democrats-not-to-go-too-far-left

[Iceaxe]

ROFLMAO....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191214/ceeb63b87a4cd4b8b257c1f344f312e3.jpg

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[BasinCruiser]

93669

[Goat]

93670

[BasinCruiser]

Who is he trying to grease the skid for entering the race, Hillary our Michael?

93676

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/474686-obama-women-pretty-indisputably-better-leaders-than-men

[dougr]

93701

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/18/elizabeth-warren-nosedives-to-distant-third-in-december-national-poll/

Her fall is real and deep now. I wasn't paying much attention in the last 2 months, what happened?

Seems to me, if she's out, Bernie is in good shape. They were splitting the hard left vote.

[Iceaxe]

Bernie is to old and too far left.... Biden is still the front runner and might win the nomination because he is actually the best candidate they have who has any traction. What's funny is the less Biden talks and the less Biden is seen the better he does in the polls. At the moment Biden has more then twice the support of the next closest candidate.

Bloomberg has already climbed to 4th in the polls and he has only been in the race a couple of weeks. I hate Bloomburg, but he entered because he could see the Democrats were a trainwreck and he is probably their best candidate at the moment outside of Gabbard who they will never elect after her pissed off Queen Hillary last election by pointing out she was crooked.

Hillary should be jumping in after the first of the year if her health can withstand it and Bloomberg hasn't surged.

That's my current 2 cents at the moment, things will clear up greatly after Super Tuesday (March 3rd).

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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/bbFmbY9.jpg

[dougr]

GIven Buttigieg getting dumped on by the hard left, will come down to Biden or Bernie. If Hillary came in, it seems to me she'd soley draw from the Biden vote. A replay of Clinton v Bernie would go how? The hard left is certainly stronger than last time, but enough?

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/6bfmewuk1e541.png

[Iceaxe]

Wow! Andrew Yang gets it.... He is the first Democratic candidate that understands why Trump won.

Yang unloads on Dems' 'obsession' with Trump, as Dems warn of economic decline at presidential debate

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/remaining-2020-dems-take-stage-day-after-impeachment-vote

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[dougr]

Reports are surfacing that Obama is speaking on behalf of Warren behind closed doors. Surfacing now since she's lagging. Even though he refuses to call this an endorsement, trying to save/help her campaign is a signal to me that she's his choice. On top of his comments recently about women being better leaders.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obama-privately-urging-wealthy-donors-to-support-warren-as-she-bashes-them

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475576-obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors

[Iceaxe]

Yeah, I've been following this. Obama has apparently been helping Warren with fund raising. That should tell you everything you need to know about creepy Joe as Obama and Warren have butted heads on more than one occasion.

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[dougrz]

Yeah, I've been following this. Obama has apparently been helping Warren with fund raising. That should tell you everything you need to know about creepy Joe as Obama and Warren have butted heads on more than one occasion.

Climb-Utah.comI'd call Warren and Obama technical communists. Versus AOC and Bernie who are emotional communists. The ends are the same, but Warren and Obama believe in technical control of people and economic resources as a superior idea. Whereas AOC and Bernie believe control is necessary to achieve their noble ends, consequences be damned. Hence Obama's affinity for Warren.

[dougr]

93736

And this is why I'm so pessimistic about our chances. Certainly in 2024 and beyond, but 2020 as well. The forces of immigration are utterly obliterating the numbers.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/immigration-causing-massive-redistribution-of-congressional-seats-to-democrat-states-for-2020-report-says?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_campaign%3Dben_shapiro_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_insiders&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Zjo7RieRnNftqufQctjrXcjF0e-u-oI0e4T4yGvvwJXR7RR-1PeeTCmizpmEkuIYMLOM0dm-atGnb81QyaL_vtRE7tw&_hsmi=81204626 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/immigration-causing-massive-redistribution-of-congressional-seats-to-democrat-states-for-2020-report-says?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_campaign%3Dben_shapiro_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_insiders&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Zjo7RieRnNftqufQctjrXcjF0e-u-oI0e4T4yGvvwJXR7RR-1PeeTCmizpmEkuIYMLOM0dm-atGnb81QyaL_vtRE7tw&_hsmi=81204626)

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/g0YhI8m.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

93736

And this is why I'm so pessimistic about our chances. Certainly in 2024 and beyond, but 2020 as well. The forces of immigration are utterly obliterating the numbers.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/immigration-causing-massive-redistribution-of-congressional-seats-to-democrat-states-for-2020-report-says?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_campaign%3Dben_shapiro_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_insiders&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Zjo7RieRnNftqufQctjrXcjF0e-u-oI0e4T4yGvvwJXR7RR-1PeeTCmizpmEkuIYMLOM0dm-atGnb81QyaL_vtRE7tw&_hsmi=81204626 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/immigration-causing-massive-redistribution-of-congressional-seats-to-democrat-states-for-2020-report-says?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_campaign%3Dben_shapiro_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_insiders&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Zjo7RieRnNftqufQctjrXcjF0e-u-oI0e4T4yGvvwJXR7RR-1PeeTCmizpmEkuIYMLOM0dm-atGnb81QyaL_vtRE7tw&_hsmi=81204626)


This is exactly why the Dems are pro open borders and ‘undocumented’ voting, anti-voter ID, all while pandering to immigrants with welfare, free healthcare, etc. They know they can get more power by doing so.

Generally, I’ve strongly disagreed with the declarations of Utah’s leaders being opening welcoming and broadcasting to import more refugees. But, with respect to congressional jockeying power, if we can get enough of them to not vote Dem, I question if it might be a good tactic.

[Iceaxe]

I can't stand Michael Moore, but he is one of the very few, or perhaps only liberal that correctly predicted the 2016 election. And he is basically predicting another Trump win and gives the same reasoning I do....

Michael Moore says Trump could win in 2020, Midwest support hasn't dropped 'one inch'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-moore-trump-2020

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[dougrz]

I can't stand Michael Moore

Likewise. Oddly, I've viewed Moore as someone so close to the MAGA side of the Repub party that it's tragic he's on the other side. He almost gets it.

To wit, his comment at the end about the "greedy" form of capitalism we have now. That's a part of MAGA, recognizing that the globalist, corporate movement, which the establishment Repubs have championed for so long, doesn't give a damn about this country or its people.

Yet his solution of a greedy socialist state is far worse.

[oldno7]

Time will tell but I think I'll go out on a limb here and go against moore's prediction of Trump losing the popular vote.

I base that on the attendance, even in deep blue states, at Trump rallies.

The dems, like warren and biden are campaigning in bowling allys and restaurants with only tiny audiences in those.

We've said it many times here--most wouldn't like Trump the person but you would have to be brain dead to not appreciate Trump the President.

[twotimer]

I think Trump will win handily. Imagine this is like a Roulette Wheel...Trump is red and whoever is the Dem is black...where would you put your money? I'd bet on red, right now and keep it there.

When George W. was running for re-election in '04, I heard someone from his campaign say "Don't change horses midstream"...property values were going up, the economy was doing well, we were involved in a war that most of us wanted to win (somehow). He beat Kerry easily.

Hillary was riding the coattails of Obama...both the economy ramping up and the media worship of the guy. I would imagine that plenty of people voted for her because Trump was such and unknown...perhaps fearful that Trump would screw everything up just as it was getting going. He didn't.

The election is a forgone conclusion. This country was smart enough to elect him in the first place, and I think we're smart enough to do it again. I'll give everyone a pass on the Obama thing...considering the media successfully sold the "Liberal Jesus", but I think it'll be damn near impossible for them to pull that off again...especially now that the pink ribbon has been pulled away in regards to their "unbiased opinions".

I think that's the biggest story of the 21st century so far...the unmasking and exposure of the media and the oligarchs who run it.

[Iceaxe]

I'm still predicting Trump in a landslide.

Candice Owen's and "Blexit" (Black Exit) is going strong and picking up more supporters every day. The black community is awaking. Current predictions are Trump will win more than 20% of the Black vote, and that will be death to the Democrat party that depends on the black block vote.

Black Awaking to give Trump unprecedented support in 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jack-brewer-black-awakening-trump

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[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/106_jpg-1213360.JPG

[oldno7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM6hgwsWkAEHoHa?format=jpg&name=small

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/rb5ecdoydu741.png

[dougr]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-tulsi-gabbard-warns-of-bad-news-to-democrats-blames-partisan-impeachment

On Monday, Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) warned fellow Democrats of bad news for the party, predicting President Donald Trump will take the 2020 election and the GOP will gain in the House of Representatives for a majority.


Gabbard fingered party-line support for impeachment for sparking the “likely” upcoming red wave. The Hawaii representative voted “present” on both articles of impeachment against Trump.

[twotimer]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-tulsi-gabbard-warns-of-bad-news-to-democrats-blames-partisan-impeachment

On Monday, Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) warned fellow Democrats of bad news for the party, predicting President Donald Trump will take the 2020 election and the GOP will gain in the House of Representatives for a majority.


Gabbard fingered party-line support for impeachment for sparking the “likely” upcoming red wave. The Hawaii representative voted “present” on both articles of impeachment against Trump.If you take a good look at her, (and I have) she's definitively liberal...but she's no dummy.

Too bad she doesn't have a chance within her own party, 'cuz among the clown show she might've actually been able to take a decent shot.

[Iceaxe]

Looks like Gabbard has it figured out, but I do think taking back the House will be a long shot.

I have yet to meet a single person that voted for Trump the first time around that is not excited to vote for him again. Combine that with the complete lack of enthusiasm I'm seeing from moderate Democrats and I think a red wave is a real possibility.

Not to mention Trump and the RNC has a massive war chest, while the Presidential Democratic candidates will deplete theirs in the primary.

YMMV

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[Iceaxe]

If you take a good look at her, (and I have) she's definitively liberal...but she's no dummy.

Too bad she doesn't have a chance within her own party, 'cuz among the clown show she might've actually been able to take a decent shot.
I mentioned when this all began that Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best candidate the Democrats had, but she never stood a chance as she went against Queen Hillary in 2016 and pointed out how the DNC rigged the election and screwed poor old Bernie.

That's why Hillary torpedoed Gabbard's candidacy early on by calling her a "Russian Agent". It was payback for not supporting Queen Hillary in 2016. If you haven't figured it out "Russian Agent" in the Democrats dog whistle.

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[rockgremlin]

I have yet to meet a single person that voted for Trump the first time around that is not excited to vote for him again. Combine that with the complete lack of enthusiasm I'm seeing from moderate Democrats and I think a red wave is a real possibility.

Not to mention Trump and the RNC has a massive war chest, while the Presidential Democratic candidates will deplete theirs in the primary.

YMMV

Climb-Utah.com


Not to mention all the folks like me who didn't vote for Trump the first time because I didn't take him seriously and I assumed Hillary had it in the bag.

But after seeing what Trump has done for me and my country I'm converted - and I'll definitely be voting for him the second time around.

And I'm sure there are millions out there like me...

[dougr]

Not to mention all the folks like me who didn't vote for Trump the first time because I didn't take him seriously and I assumed Hillary had it in the bag.

For me it always circles back to demographics. We're importing 1 mil+ per YEAR. 90% Dem voters, who then chain in millions more. Plus the pro-America generations are dying off.

I can't find the link again, but there was recently a Fox News article about an analysis pointing to an approx 2.3% move toward Dems in the key swing states just on this demographic fact alone, all else equal. Considering the thin margins in WI, MI, and PA, that's ominous. So unless and until we have massive immigration reform (read: end it), we don't stand a long term chance to save the country's values.

[oldno7]

http://www.dailycartoonist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/tmwha190219.gif

[Iceaxe]

I think Bloomberg is going to be a big player on the Democratic side in the near future. If you are a moderate Democrat you only have Biden, Bloomberg and Gabbard to choose from. Gabbard has never gained traction and Hillary will sink her if she starts to gain any. And there is no way in hell Biden can go up against Trump without stomping on his own dick. If the Democrats reach Super Tuesday without a clear frontrunner look for Bloomberg to make a big run.

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[dougrz]

I'm still thinking Warren. Given AOC's comments last night (or 2 days ago, or whenever) about Biden being unacceptable, I'd bet the power of the party prevents him from gaining the nom. And Bloomberg. You'd have the commie wing refusing to accept Bloomberg.

[Iceaxe]

I'm still thinking Warren. Given AOC's comments last night (or 2 days ago, or whenever) about Biden being unacceptable, I'd bet the power of the party prevents him from gaining the nom. And Bloomberg. You'd have the commie wing refusing to accept Bloomberg.

I hope you're right... if the DNC elects one of the far left they will get slaughtered in the general.

[oldno7]

https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/01-trump-watch-ad-600.jpg

[dougrz]

https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/01-trump-watch-ad-600.jpgAs pessimistic as I am, the recent UK result does give hope. The public stood up finally. Just hope there's enough of us left.

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/8kJy0V1S/427f970c4c25fa063641ea78c2a858edf5698a38cd72d2900f 5315e54f1471cb.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/2SZrktFR/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-6-37-14-PM.png

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241636/80768731_2966453643367079_4561492801518305280_n_jp g-1220641.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/132_jpg-1224281.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

93817

[dougrz]

93817That's a ridiculous insult to Dems. C'mon, we're better than that around here.

Soleimani would be leading with 35%.

[Iceaxe]

Tom Steyer has skyrocketed to 3rd in the polls in early voting states. It appears spending truck loads of personal cash is paying off. The only candidate to out spend Steyer to date is Bloomberg. Less than two months to Super Tuesday and the Democratic presidential picture will begin to clear.

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[Iceaxe]

This Democratic is polling second behind Biden in South Carolina

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-ahead-by-21-points-among-south-carolina-democrats

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[BasinCruiser]

93822

[rockgremlin]

93822

You forgot Rashida Tlaib. She should be on that list for sure.

[oldno7]

93822


ok--heres a meme that is not true....

It would have to be, 4 old hags,3 children, one squaw and one token black gal....

[oldno7]

93817


he's moving up in this poll

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12631/47F00DE4-2937-4ECE-8F55-135DB23D9A36-1226340.jpg

[dougr]

^^ Better poll, @oldno7 (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=2899). More respectful of Dem voices.

But the rise of Steyer in SC, and getting on the main debate stage, is interesting. Would seem to me, @Iceaxe (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=36), to help Biden. Yet another wack left candidate to split that vote. So it's basically a 5 man race: Butti and Biden splitting, and Warren/Sanders/Steyer splitting, if Steyer has legs. Biggest shoe to drop will be who withdraws first between Warren and Sanders, imo. 2nd biggest shoe is when Butti drops out, which I'd guess is the first shoe chronologically.

[Iceaxe]

The DNC will NEVER let Sanders win as he is not a Democrat and has yet he has even failed to register as a Democrat, which is required by their rules to become their candidate. I think they want Sanders in the race as his presence is likely to result in a contested convention, which will allow the DNC super delegates to select the candidate of their choice and disregard the will of the voters. Or I could be wrong...

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[BasinCruiser]

Debated on putting this in the Bitches are crazy thread ... cuz this dingbat has lost it and is on the warpath.

- No new construction unless carbon neutral.
- No drilling on federal lands or offshore.
-By 2030, cars and trucks carbon neutral.
-By 2035, all electricity generation carbon neutral.
( no nuclear, though:eek2:)
-““A central part of the plan for me is I want to put a trillion dollars into cleaning up the places that collectively we have destroyed as a nation and bringing them back,” she said.

93833

https://www.westernjournal.com/warren-says-willing-ban-construction-new-homes-america/


It really makes you wonder if she really believes all of this crap is actually viable and obtainable, or if she knows she is just lying through her teeth to appeal to the SJW crowd.

[Iceaxe]

Warren is sinking like a rock in the polls and I think this is her Hail Mary to save her campaign. She is desperately trying to get left of all other candidates, including Bernie. Warren has the same big problem Hillary faced, and that is she is just not very likable as a human being.

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[dougr]

^ This does seem so. Certifiably insane position to take. Which takes out my first pick from the start.

I'm thinking Biden. As if the entire process has been a gnashing of teeth to try to avoid the inevitable of Biden, but it'll be. He polls very well with blacks and has commanding leads in a lot of states not named IA and NH. His race to lose.

Steyer coming in and polling well probably mutes a Warren to Sanders shift as well.

[Iceaxe]

And just like that... Cory Booker is gone....

Yo Spartacus... send it bro....

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[Iceaxe]

It funny how fast they fade away when the money runs out. Remember it's all about raising money for the campaign and how much they can gleen. It's hard to skim when your at the bottom of the barrel.


Cory Booker suspends 2020 presidential campaign

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cory-booker-suspends-2020-presidential-campaign

[rockgremlin]

It funny how fast they fade away when the money runs out. Remember it's all about raising money for the campaign and how much they can gleen. It's hard to skim when your at the bottom of the barrel.


Cory Booker suspends 2020 presidential campaign

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cory-booker-suspends-2020-presidential-campaign


Yikes Trump is ruthless :lol8:

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[dougrz]

Yikes Trump is ruthless [emoji38]8:

93834That's an incredible tweet.

If this was 30 years ago, Trump's behavior would be unacceptable. A tweet like that would have ticked me off to no end. Imagine Reagan doing that! Would have been outrageous and worthy of everyone's contempt.

But now? It's fine. We live in a time where attention is more important than thoughtfulness. It's a sad reality but a reality. The Romney-Bush style of Republicanism is dead and can never win again.

Reminds me of the old adage: if your house is on fire, you don't care what the firefighters do on their own time. You just want them to be hella good firefighters.

The fire is leftism in the country.

[BasinCruiser]

LEXIT is becoming contagious and spreading. :flag:


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https://redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/01/13/stunning-data-from-trumps-ohio-rally-42.8-of-attendees-identified-as-either-democratic-or-independent/

[rockgremlin]

^^^While those are impressive numbers, I'm going to temper my excitement because in 2016 all the Democrats were throwing around similar numbers about Hillary and we all know how that turned out....

[BasinCruiser]

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[dougr]

Sure seems like Sanders is getting some mo. As Tucker Carlson opined, Sanders represents actual, substantive change. Catastrophic change, but legit. That appeal and energy will have legs.

Seems like 2008 again. Where Obama, the furthest left, took out Clinton.

[Iceaxe]

Sure seems like Sanders is getting some mo.

Part of that is Pocahontas is tumbling in the polls. Bernie and Warren share the same base. Tonight's Democratic debate could get interesting if those two attack each other. Tonight is their last chance to knee cap the other before Iowa.

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[dougrz]

Part of that is Pocahontas is tumbling in the polls. Bernie and Warren share the same base. Tonight's Democratic debate could get interesting if those two attack each other. Tonight is their last chance to knee cap the other before Iowa.

Climb-Utah.comAnd I await your summary. I get too angry to watch a Dem debate.

Seems like Warren is getting the worse of the "Bernie said a woman can't win" hullabaloo.

[Iceaxe]

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on last nights debate at the moment...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200115/fafc68ccb01b97b1b4b673f56f5538b8.jpg

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[Iceaxe]

Last nights debate was boring... I was hoping the gloves would finally come off and it would turn into a slugfest, but that was not to be. They all stood around and politely answered their questions like good little Democrats.

The above helped Sanders and Biden since they are the front runners in Iowa and New Hampshire and were not forced to defend. It also helped Creepy Joe big time nationally as he could stay on script and not make his usual gaffes.

Pocahontas was the only real loser last night in that she is currently sinking in the polls and she did nothing to reverse that.

Oh yeah... and they all hate Trump and the first thing they all plan to do is fix this economy, which I think translates to a torpedo into its broadside.

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[dougr]

The above helped Sanders and Biden since they are the front runners in Iowa and New Hampshire and were not forced to defend. It also helped Creepy Joe big time nationally as he could stay on script and not make his usual gaffes.

I'm wondering if Klobuchar can break through. She might be a tougher one to face.

[Iceaxe]

I'm wondering if Klobuchar can break through. She might be a tougher one to face.
Klobuchar and Mayer Pete appear to be gunning for the same moderate Democrats.

I'm also curious to see what happens with Bloomberg on Super Tuesday. Bloomberg is not illegible for the debates because he is self funding his campaign. Talk about a stupid DNC rule. Bloomberg could be leading every poll and would still not be illegible for the Democratic debates. To me Bloomberg is the current dark horse.

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[Iceaxe]

FWIW - Tucker Carlson says the Democratic race is now down to the 'Elderly Socialist' vs the 'Elderly Shill'... LMAO...

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[oldno7]

https://preview.redd.it/jq3r909fjya41.jpg?width=785&auto=webp&5cfb7b38

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/Bw7Foj4.png

[Iceaxe]

The House just really hamstrung all the Senators running for President as the Senators are required to attend the impeachment trial so they can't be out campaigning.... many think Pelosi and the DNC did this intentionally hurt the radical left and to sink Bernie and Pocahontas. This should really help the moderates like Creepy Joe and Mayor Pete. Klobuchar is the cannon fodder that gets chewed up in this battle.

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[BasinCruiser]

Meh. Same story. That’s what’s been a big positive about this whole impeachment - all of the news has been focused on that, and none on the Dem candidates. The only one that made any headlines during this impeachment was Gabbard with her ‘ present’ vote - very strategic. 👍

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[devo_stevo]

^^That would be incredibly funny if he ever did that.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/105_jpg-1238258.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Boom! This could be fun...

Gabbard hits Clinton with $50 million defamation lawsuit over 'Russian asset' remarks

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gabbard-hits-clinton-with-50-million-defamation-lawsuit-over-russian-asset-remarks

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[BasinCruiser]

Well, this is starting to get juicy. What better way to settle this than a mud wrestling cage match?

93889

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-defamation-over-russian-asset-remark-n1120176

[oldno7]

Well, this is starting to get juicy. What better way to settle this than a mud wrest match?

93889

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-defamation-over-russian-asset-remark-n1120176


again:ne_nau:

:haha:

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/MKy4HwgV/Screen-Shot-2020-01-18-at-11-12-55-AM.png

[BasinCruiser]

https://i.postimg.cc/MKy4HwgV/Screen-Shot-2020-01-18-at-11-12-55-AM.png



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https://conservativechoicecampaign.com/democrats-worst-nightmare-black-republican-candidates/

[BasinCruiser]

They think you’re a joke.



http://youtu.be/xuzfmxSvnD0

[BasinCruiser]

Worst STD ever? HRC



93933

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/hillary-clinton-admits-she-feels-an-urge-to-run-against-trump-again/

[Iceaxe]

Hi, I'm Mike Bloomberg, I'm currently worth over 53 billion dollars. I'm here to tell you that you need to pay more taxes and that I know what the little guy feels like.

I really need him to go away so my ears will stop bleeding every time I hear the douche speak.

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[Iceaxe]

I've been saying it since the start... impeachment is going to backfire on the DNC....

RNC closes out best-ever non-presidential year with record numbers for December

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-closes-out-best-ever-non-presidential-year-with-record-numbers-for-december

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[Iceaxe]

2020... Trump in a landslide and here is way.....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200201/bc047d1252520fd52e01d5b0d8f42e49.jpg

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[oldno7]

^^^^^And if I'm not mistaken, that was for a stadium with a seating capacity of 7500.

I think his rallies will start to get much bigger after the final Senate impeachment vote.

[dougr]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-that-if-they-support-certain-candidates-they-will-lose

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Not Bernie. Delaying the impeachment surely had to be to help Biden, given the comments she made in this interview.

[Iceaxe]

Biden's biggest problem is everytime he opens his mouth he damages his campaign a little more.

At the moment I'm betting on a civil war and full on Democratic meltdown in the party at the Democratic Convention. It will be Sanders against Bloomberg and the meltdown will be epic as the two sides are polar opposite and they won't have Trump to stand in the middle and absorb the cannon fire. The two sides will have to attack each other in the very near future.

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[oldno7]

^^^^Liberalism vs. socialism

The battle should be epic...

The crowned winner inherits the dnc brand although likely not it's full contingent.

[BasinCruiser]

Bernie is riding the gravy train campaigning with AOC. Could she be a reason why he is increasing in the polls?

So, Biden is trying to counter, clinging to his legacy as Obama’s wingman, by suggesting he would take Michelle as a running mate. Will that give him any momentum?

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http://nypost.com/2020/01/29/joe-biden-says-hed-want-michelle-obama-to-be-his-running-mate/

[Iceaxe]

Bernie is rising in the polls because Warren is tumbling... everyone knew only one would survive and inherit all the commies... err... socialist.

I think Biden is done for, the moderates in the party know Trump will eat him alive. I expect the moderates will eventually rally behind Bloomberg or Klobuchar.

Klobuchar was looking good until last week when someone pointed out all the sweet and innocent black kids she put in prison. We'll have to see if she can survive that...

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[BasinCruiser]

Say what? Kerry can’t be throwing his hat in the ring, can he? Or is this just typical DNC / MSM smoke and mirrors / squirrel tactics?


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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476

[dougrz]

^ Maybe a planted story to get Hillary to enter.

Klobuchar would be formidable. Not sure why the Dems haven't swarmed to her. Notwithstanding the recent stories about her prosecutions of black teens. Though I think in normal times that would help her greatly, a la Bill Clinton's Sister Soulja moment. Though times and that party are different now.