President Trump

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

So, these Russians were in the country illegally, and created fake American identities.


Doesn't that make them Dreamers?

[Brian in SLC]

So, these Russians were in the country illegally, and created fake American identities.


Doesn't that make them Dreamers?

Nope. Republicans.

Interesting article by David Frum:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/

[Iceaxe]

Nope. Republicans.

Interesting article by David Frum:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/
Bullshit article as all of this Ruissa crap happened under Obama's watch... or did you just conveniently overlook that?

Great sound bite that has come back to make Obama look like a total douche...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bowhUWl6rxQ

[Brian in SLC]

Guess what? Obama isn't president any more. Or did you conveniently overlook that?

[oldno7]

Nope. Republicans.

Interesting article by David Frum:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/


I've got to admit, I was wrong.

I called you ignorant--your stupidity goes way beyond that.

The Russian election meddling started in 2014, who was the Republican nominee at that time?

oh, yea--there wasn't one yet.

Or--how about the FACT, these Russians held Trump rallies on the exact same day they held anti Trump rallies.

Who was the president at the time that stated he knew of Russian meddling but did nothing?

Guess you never read or listened to actual facts before spewing your made up non sense.(I even gave you actual DOJ links)

Why did Rosenstein say this meddling had zero affect upon election results.

But on the bright side---you've only been wrong about 18 times this month, must suck.

[Brian in SLC]

I could say that you've got your head wedged so far up your ass that you've lost your grip on reality...

But, I'm trying to stay on the high road.

I could resort to name calling and personal attacks. Is that what you're hoping for?

Do you not have the intelligence to keep this civil?

[DirkHammergate]

I could say that you've got your head wedged so far up your ass that you've lost your grip on reality...

But, I'm trying to stay on the high road.

I could resort to name calling and personal attacks. Is that what you're hoping for?

Do you not have the intelligence to keep this civil?

Pssst... don't forget I live in my Mommy's basement.

[oldno7]

Do you not have the intelligence to keep this civil?

I have the intelligence to destroy you with facts but they don't matter in your touchy,feely world

[oldno7]

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[Brian in SLC]

I have the intelligence to destroy you with facts but they don't matter in your touchy,feely world

There is no evidence of that. And, you don't have any "facts" other than what the trolls want you to believe. Have you ever had an original thought?

I think when you make these debates personal, its because you lack the intelligence for putting forth any information that contributes.

You couldn't destroy a fly.

So, add delusion to the list of your shortcomings.

[oldno7]

Just another "fact":roflol:

[Iceaxe]

Guess what? Obama isn't president any more. Or did you conveniently overlook that?

I know who is President, my question is why didn't your boy Obama doing something about Russian meddling when he had the chance?

Obama had at least three years to do something and he did nothing. Or perhaps he was to busy with his world apology tour?

In 2038 Brian is going to be standing right behind Wolf Blitzer yelling "you tell them Wolf".

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZYGCSLOLBU6WLL44WB3GBB5YS4.jpg

[2065toyota]

There is no evidence of that. And, you don't have any "facts" other than what the trolls want you to believe. Have you ever had an original thought?

I think when you make these debates personal, its because you lack the intelligence for putting forth any information that contributes.

You couldn't destroy a fly.

So, add delusion to the list of your shortcomings.


I do find it a little ironic to say that, when your last 4 links are to

"The Atlantic"
"The Huffington Post"
"Fortune Magazine"
"Youtube - Tropic Thunder the Movie"

I really hope that is not the "facts" that you are referring to

[Brian in SLC]

I do find it a little ironic to say that, when your last 4 links are to

"The Atlantic"
"The Huffington Post"
"Fortune Magazine"
"Youtube - Tropic Thunder the Movie"

I really hope that is not the "facts" that you are referring to

Huh?

Not a fan of the Atlantic? What "facts" in the article by David Frum do you take issue with? Do you think David Frum is non-factual in his writing?

And...Tropic Thunder...come on. You disagree about going "full retard"? Did you (try to) watch I Am Sam? Nothing non-factual about that.

What hope is there for YOU? What are your "factual" news sources? The Internet Research Agency?

[Brian in SLC]

"Ironic"....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujVMIYzYXg

(Wanted to include Princess Bride to my repertoire of "fact" references.)

[accadacca]

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[uintafly]

I could say that you've got your head wedged so far up your ass that you've lost your grip on reality...

But, I'm trying to stay on the high road.

I could resort to name calling and personal attacks. Is that what you're hoping for?

Do you not have the intelligence to keep this civil?

You've been here long enough that you should have caught on to oldno7's shtick. He's your crazy uncle ranting about evilness of everyone that disagrees with him. You know the guy who thinks the school librarian is tied up in a leftist plot authored by Saul Alinsky to turn all of the elementary kids gay? Yeah, that's oldno7. What's the o/u on # of hours he listens to Infowars per week? I am guessing it is pretty high.

[oldno7]

You've been here long enough that you should have caught on to oldno7's shtick. He's your crazy uncle ranting about evilness of everyone that disagrees with him. You know the guy who thinks the school librarian is tied up in a leftist plot authored by Saul Alinsky to turn all of the elementary kids gay? Yeah, that's oldno7. What's the o/u on # of hours he listens to Infowars per week? I am guessing it is pretty high.


No time for talk radio, never seen infowars, is it good?

[oldno7]

But I am up $1500 in the stock market this morning...

[oldno7]

You've been here long enough that you should have caught on to oldno7's shtick. He's your crazy uncle ranting about evilness of everyone that disagrees with him. You know the guy who thinks the school librarian is tied up in a leftist plot authored by Saul Alinsky to turn all of the elementary kids gay? Yeah, that's oldno7. What's the o/u on # of hours he listens to Infowars per week? I am guessing it is pretty high.

now up over $2000, trading.

Hows your day going?

[oldno7]

o.k.--my day is done.

This is one acct. I have others up as well.

Looks like I can afford a burger, today.

now--who is the jones guy you watch?

[uintafly]

Those burgers are gonna kill ya man. Looks like you had a nice day though, congrats! I just finished up my work day as well. My conference call is over and I'll be headed up to Soli in about 15 minutes. Maybe your morning was better but I guarantee my afternoon will be better. Skiing yesterday was good, but they never opened Honeycomb, Barretts or the Milkrun gate. If the good lord smiles on me Ill get early tracks in all of the above. Why don't you come on up and we can take a lap. I'll be the commie with the green jacket and ON3P Kartel's with the American flag topsheet.

[oldno7]

dang--can't help myself.

On days like this, just keep trading

I'll have to look into your jones guy later

[oldno7]

Those burgers are gonna kill ya man. Looks like you had a nice day though, congrats! I just finished up my work day as well. My conference call is over and I'll be headed up to Soli in about 15 minutes. Maybe your morning was better but I guarantee my afternoon will be better. Skiing yesterday was good, but they never opened Honeycomb, Barretts or the Milkrun gate. If the good lord smiles on me Ill get early tracks in all of the above. Why don't you come on up and we can take a lap. I'll be the commie with the green jacket and ON3P Kartel's with the American flag topsheet.


Sounds like a fun afternoon.

I started skiing Alta in the mid 60's.

Taught skiing at park city in early 80's

Can't beat first tracks..

[uintafly]

One thing is for sure, Mike Noel would be the first in line to buy some Donald Trump brand kneepads. I remember thinking all of the Obama idolizing was over the top from 2008-2010, but the Trump worship is getting embarrassing.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46271911&nid=1417&title=trump-highway-lawmaker-proposes-renaming-southern-utah-route

[oldno7]

It is embarrassing we should do more--I suggest re naming all of the Trax system to-----The Trump Train..:haha:

[Iceaxe]

BOOM!!!

Last night's Oscar ratings hit a historic low.

Not only were the ratings down 15% from 2017 but they hit an all time low

It appears all the Trump bashing isn't going over very well.

Or perhaps it's the constant attacks on the 2nd Amendment as armed body guards stand close by protecting the rich and famous.

Or maybe it's simply just the hypocrisy of the #MeToo movement in Hollywood.

What's your take?

http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscar-ratings-down-all-time-low-viewership-1202310775/

[twotimer]

Yeah, and listening to the liberal media you would think that Kimmel is the voice of America.

You know what the world's oldest profession is. What's the second oldest profession?....the pimp.

[Sombeech]

BOOM!!!

Last night's Oscar ratings hit a historic low.

Not only were the ratings down 15% from 2017 but they hit an all time low

It appears all the Trump bashing isn't going over very well.

Or perhaps it's the constant attacks on the 2nd Amendment as armed body guards stand close by protecting the rich and famous.

Or maybe it's simply just the hypocrisy of the #MeToo movement in Hollywood.

What's your take?

http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscar-ratings-down-all-time-low-viewership-1202310775/

Did they talk about the movie with a guy in a relationship with another underage boy, created during the "Me Too" movement? Doesn't make much sense.

[2065toyota]

My take is that I'd rather go canyoneering and spend time with the family on the weekend, rather than watch the Oscars. In fact, that's just what I did. :p

Exactly why we don't even have tv in our house anymore. Waste of time

[Iceaxe]

Exactly why we don't even have tv in our house anymore. Waste of timeSo you have to watch porn on a computer screen? That sucks...

ROFLMAO

[kiwi_outdoors]

BOOM!!!

Last night's Oscar ratings hit a historic low.

Not only were the ratings down 15% from 2017 but they hit an all time low

It appears all the Trump bashing isn't going over very well.

Or perhaps it's the constant attacks on the 2nd Amendment as armed body guards stand close by protecting the rich and famous.

Or maybe it's simply just the hypocrisy of the #MeToo movement in Hollywood.

What's your take?

http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscar-ratings-down-all-time-low-viewership-1202310775/

The OSCARS are just less relevant in our time - its the only profession which has such a self congratulatory event!

So they work hard and do a good job big whoop. Lots of people do. Without all the hoopla.

[Iceaxe]

The OSCARS are just less relevant in our time - its the only profession which has such a self congratulatory event!

So the Oscars became 15% less relevant in a single year and it had nothing to do with Hollywood's recent attitude?

Lot's of professions have similar events, what do you think the NBA All Star game and similar events are?

[twotimer]

From MSN..."Gag order placed on Stormy Daniels".

[Iceaxe]

From MSN..."Gag order placed on Stormy Daniels".

She signed a nondisclosure agree that carries a million dollar penalty for every time she breaks the agreement. All the gag order really does is warn her the judge agrees if she opens her mouth she going to be owing a lot of money. For some reason Daniels thinks she no longer has to honor the disclosure agreement, but I'm betting it's air tight. But she is also a woman and I'll bet she can't keep her mouth shut.

[twotimer]

She signed a nondisclosure agree that carries a million dollar penalty for every time she breaks the agreement. All the gag order really does is warn her the judge agrees if she opens her mouth she going to be owing a lot of money. For some reason Daniels think she no longer has to honor the disclosure agreement, but I'm betting it's air tight. But she is also a woman and I'll bet she can't keep her mouth shut.Don't tell me you missed the pun...

[Iceaxe]

Don't tell me you missed the pun...

:facepalm1:

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

FBI's McCabe gets the axe. Now this is huge. You don't fire a guy with 20 years service 2 days before retirement unless it's big.... this should be fun...

[oldno7]

I'm starting to get the idea that Trump inflated the military budget enough to be able to have them(our own military) build the wall.

Now wouldn't that be amusing:roflol:

It is after all--National Security.

[oldno7]

From a whitehouse letter

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-21/

[oldno7]

I believe this is the difference between an omnibus spending bill and an actual budget.

An omnibus spending bill procures the money BUT it falls on the President to how the approved funds are actually spent.

An actual budget has clearly defined parameters on how the money is spent that must be followed by the President.

Remember obama sending 1.7 billion--in cash, to iran?

I could easily see planned parenthoods budget applied to sections of the wall.

If this actually plays out---MAGA

[Iceaxe]

BOOM!!! This could be huge, completely legal and well within the President powers... giving liberals the middle finger

Trump says the military will secure the southern border until wall can be built

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/03/trump-says-military-will-secure-southern-border-until-wall-can-be-built.html

[accadacca]

Facebook now thinks 87 million had data shared with Cambridge Analytica

Facebook last month said it had suspended Cambridge Analytica's account after finding that it had obtained and not destroyed*personal information from users who had downloaded a personality profile app and then passed it on to the firm, which assisted Donald Trump in his successful presidential campaign.

https://usat.ly/2Ej8haB

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Trump popularity increasing, much to liberals’ horror

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/06/liz-peek-trump-gains-ground-much-to-liberals-horror.html

[oldno7]

And pelosi stated that dems are going to push a tax increase to help gain seats, midterm.:crazy:

[accadacca]

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. raided the Rockefeller Center office and Park Avenue hotel room of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, on Monday morning, seizing business records, emails and documents related to several topics, including a payment to a pornographic film actress.

Mr. Trump, in an extraordinarily angry response, lashed out hours later at what a person briefed on the matter said was an investigation into possible bank fraud by Mr. Cohen. Mr. Trump accused his own Justice Department for perpetrating a “witch hunt” and asserted that the F.B.I. “broke into” Mr. Cohen’s office.

The president, who spoke at the White House before meeting with senior military commanders about a potential missile strike on Syria, called the F.B.I. raid a “disgraceful situation” and an “attack on our country, in a true sense.”

https://apple.news/ArvJqqDakRYaemhl59mH8rA

[twotimer]

It's an epic power struggle, man.

[double moo]

I find it somewhat revealing that they feds asked for Hillary's emails, servers, etc.. for 2 years before they got a single document... and then they were already sorted and deleted. Yet they want Trump docs so they just show up and take them - as they should be allowed (if justified). They should have dealt with the past scandals they same way - Hillary's servers, Benghazi, etc...

[Sombeech]

They had to obtain proof of payment to the porn star that NOBODY is denying? We all know it, and a whole crowd of people commend him for it. What's the issue?

[Iceaxe]

What's the issue?

The alligators living in the swamp are not about to let the swamp be drained without a fight.

[Iceaxe]

ROFLMAO....

89315

[Iceaxe]

Truth!

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[Iceaxe]

I like the direction this is heading, what about you?

North Korea announces end to missile testing as Trump cites 'big progress'

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/20/north-korea-announces-end-to-missile-testing-as-trump-cites-big-progress.html

[twotimer]

In the late 80s, my business partner and I were working on a condo in an upscale complex in Palm Springs with a fancy golf course. We were there for a week and ate at the clubhouse every night for dinner, as the owner of the condo paid for it. Nice place, great food.

Anyway, the bar area had at least 10 women hanging around it every night that looked similar to Ms. Daniels here...all sexed up and good looking. Turns out they're groupies...there was a semi-pro tournament going on that week. These guys weren't even the top dogs, but the women who covet the lifestyle followed then around the country. These guys would show up in the evening and everyone put the make on. Every night these women were just waiting for them to show up.

I saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers at a very small club in Hollywood about 3 years before they hit it big but they were well know in So. Cal. The front of the stage was packed with women freaking out over Anthony Kiedis even though he was spewing spit all over them.

Famous people live in a whole different word, man.

[twotimer]

I like the direction this is heading, what about you?

North Korea announces end to missile testing as Trump cites 'big progress'

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/20/north-korea-announces-end-to-missile-testing-as-trump-cites-big-progress.htmlI think either we're willing to give them something they REALLY want or we told the Chinese that were going to blow their asses up. I reckon we'll find out once the talks begin?

[Iceaxe]

In the late 80s, my business partner and I were working on a condo in an upscale complex in Palm Springs with a fancy golf course. We were there for a week and ate at the clubhouse every night for dinner, as the owner of the condo paid for it. Nice place, great food.

Anyway, the bar area had at least 10 women hanging around it every night that looked similar to Ms. Daniels here...all sexed up and good looking. Turns out they're groupies...there was a semi-pro tournament going on that week. These guys weren't even the top dogs, but the women who covet the lifestyle followed then around the country. These guys would show up in the evening and everyone put the make on. Every night these women were just waiting for them to show up.

I saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers at a very small club in Hollywood about 3 years before they hit it big but they were well know in So. Cal. The front of the stage was packed with women freaking out over Anthony Kiedis even though he was spewing spit all over them.

Famous people live in a whole different word, man.

I spent the first 15 years of my adult life as a professional athlete, first as a professional motorcycle racer before switching over to four wheels to finish my career. If it has wheels I've probably raced it.... I can tell you numerous, awesome, crazy, groupie stories that would make a hooker blush...

....sometimes I really miss the good ol days.

[emoji111]

[Sombeech]

I know a guy that paid a hooker and didn't even get any action

[rockgremlin]

I know a guy that paid a hooker and didn't even get any action

Bwahahaha!!! :roflol:

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

I know a guy that paid a hooker and didn't even get any actionYo beech... so how much did the hooker take you for?


ROFLMAO

[oldno7]

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[rockgremlin]

^^^Damn...that is spot on. :nod:

[uintafly]

Gotta love the pearl clutchers on the right and their faux outrage over jokes from a comedian. Poor little snowflakes need to learn to take a joke. :roflol:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/30/michelle-malkin-rips-michelle-wolf-over-white-house-correspondents-dinner-routine

[rockgremlin]

South Korean President Moon says Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/trump-should-get-the-nobel-peace-prize-for-north-korea-talks-says-souths-moon/2018/04/30/9f89798c-4c6d-11e8-b966-bfb0da2dad62_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.adfd3d0dc756


Gotta say -- I almost got all choked up when I saw the video of President Moon and Kim Jong Un hugging.


But still...what exactly did Trump do to create this scenario? How does Moon believe that these talks are the result of anything Trump did?

[devo_stevo]

I don't know what Trump has to do with it, but I dare say that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given to another president for doing much less than Trump.

[Iceaxe]

Trump has forced North Korea to the negotiating table by basically bankrupting the country through his sanctions.

North Korea currently has two choices, so long as China continues to back Trump, and they are get with the program or cease to exist.

Or if you are a fan of the Godfather... Trump made Kim an offer he couldn't refuse.

Anyhoo.... That's the Reader's Digest condensed version for those who don't really follow world affairs.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[emoji631]

[Sombeech]

South Korean President Moon says Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize

No way, he hasn't dropped as many bombs as Obama yet.

[Iceaxe]

It's a little early to start handing out awards.... but.... If Trump actually pulls this off he deserves a couple Nobel Peace Prizes as he will have solved one of the world's most dangerous and complex problems that has baffled the "experts" and everyone else for over 65 years.

[Iceaxe]

FWIW... if we are betting on who will be the first female president of the US my money is currently on Nikki Haley...

Haley 'taking names': Report reveals which nations have America's back at UN – and which ones don't

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/01/haley-taking-names-report-reveals-which-nations-have-americas-back-at-un-and-which-ones-dont.html

[DirkHammergate]

Gotta love the pearl clutchers on the right and their faux outrage over jokes from a comedian. Poor little snowflakes need to learn to take a joke. :roflol:



Is it me?? Or does Sarah look a lot more f*ckable these days? Seriously, she's got a nice face. I bet she's fun.

[DirkHammergate]

Hey, I'm on the record here if this gets done in Korea I'll give all the credit to Dennis Rodman. I mostly think they have no power and he's realizing the people are hungry.

Actually, I will give Trump credit for flipping the script. Sometimes it takes a moron/village idiot. It would be great if this happened.

Now back to pusifying ourselves with Syria and Vladimir asschaps.

[Iceaxe]

WAM BAM!!!

Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump: 'C'mon man!'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/federal-judge-accuses-muellers-team-lying-trying-to-target-trump-cmon-man.html

[Iceaxe]

"We'll give you $150 billion if you pinky swear you're not building nuclear weapons" was never a good plan.

What's next for Iran nuclear deal after Trump ditches accord

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/08/whats-next-for-iran-nuclear-deal-after-trump-ditches-accord.html

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Another win for Trump and all America.

American prisoners held in North Korea on their way home after Pompeo visit, Trump says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/09/american-prisoners-held-in-north-korea-on-their-way-home-after-pompeo-visit-trump-says.html

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

ala benghazi

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

I have a serious question for those that hate Trump... Which do you hate more? The peace or the prosperity?

[Iceaxe]

Sarah Sanders is awesome....

Sarah Sanders says whining kids best practice for dealing with CNN's Jim Acosta

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/13/sarah-sanders-says-whining-kids-best-practice-for-dealing-with-cnns-jim-acosta.html

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

^^^Trump is Obama's legacy. I don't think Trump would ever of happened if not for Obama.

[Iceaxe]

Another promise kept!

US opens embassy in Jerusalem, recognizing city as ‘true capital’ of Israel

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/14/us-opens-embassy-in-jerusalem-recognizing-city-as-true-capital-israel.html

[oldno7]

No balls prize:lol8:
how true

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these never get old

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[Iceaxe]

^^^AWESOME^^^

[oldno7]

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[Sombeech]

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Hold my Diet Coke HA HA HA HA

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[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/3e25fe0836a058bfe7bd1be93ee7d5e3.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^I was honestly surprised when I heard Barry make the claim that it was basically impossible to bring jobs back. It seemed fatalist and uncharacteristic of a president who had traditionally been eager to confront and overcome challenges and problems within the U.S.

What ever happened to "Yes we can!?"

He went from "Yes we can" to "No we can't, it's impossible."

[Iceaxe]

And the magic wand was a telephone... imagine that....

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/70266303057ca666ab063fb0fe22f01b.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Trump snatches another win from an Obama defeat.

Backchannel, 'Dracula' help free Josh Holt in Venezuela
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46328427&nid=1422

[Iceaxe]

The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER: Two Different Versions:

OLD VERSION

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:

Be responsible for yourself!

MODERN VERSION

The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving..

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green ...'

Occupy the Anthill stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the Black Lives Matter group singing, We shall overcome.

Then Reverend Al Sharpton has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper while he damns the ants. He later appears on MSNBC to complain that rich people do not care.

The ACLU & Liberal Left condemn the ant and blames President Trump, President Bush 43, President Bush 41, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight.

Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer exclaim in an interview on The View that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having; nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and given to the grasshopper.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.

The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2018.

[emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

:-)
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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Short interesting read....

Obama was shell-shocked by Trump win, asked 'What if we were wrong?'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/31/obama-was-shell-shocked-by-trump-win-asked-what-if-were-wrong-new-book-says.html

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

More winning!

US unemployment falls to nearly 1969 levels; hiring solid

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46331844&nid=151

Every day Obama looks like a bigger douche.... remember his "those jobs are not coming back" comment.

Current projections are Obama will eventually land somewhere below Jimmy Carter on the list of presidential success.

[accadacca]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Wow.... just when you think Liberals can't get any dumber....

Media’s ‘Melania missing in action’ narrative took Trump Derangement Syndrome to new heights

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/05/media-s-melania-missing-in-action-narrative-took-trump-derangement-syndrome-to-new-heights.html

[oldno7]

this form should help the butthurt liberals.

[uintafly]

Wow.... just when you think Liberals can't get any dumber....

Media’s ‘Melania missing in action’ narrative took Trump Derangement Syndrome to new heights

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/05/media-s-melania-missing-in-action-narrative-took-trump-derangement-syndrome-to-new-heights.html

Today's birtherism! This kind of stupid crap is why the left is going to be kicked in the balls again in November. How about they report on Pruitt using tax money as his personal piggy bank instead of this crap. I know a pretty well rounded group of people from all sides of the spectrum, but I don't know any actual humans who think this is an actual story.

[Iceaxe]

This Trump derangement syndrome is hilarious.... talk about living rent free in someone's head.

[twotimer]

Today's birtherism! This kind of stupid crap is why the left is going to be kicked in the balls again in November. How about they report on Pruitt using tax money as his personal piggy bank instead of this crap. I know a pretty well rounded group of people from all sides of the spectrum, but I don't know any actual humans who think this is an actual story.A lot of people see the corruption as hand and glove with politics...it's practically expected. That's why no one gives a shit that the Russians were running around D.C. with briefcases full of cash. On what planet do these people play by the rules? It's a place called Bizzaroworld in the minds of those that obsess with this stuff.

The media is nothing but tabloid trash. It reminds me of the National Enquirer and those others that my grandmother had all over her place back in the day. I remember thinking the media in England was absolutely horrible 30 years ago...now ours is, too.

I really don't take any of this shit seriously. I don't think nearly as many people as you would hope really do. It's been a circus freak show and it'll remain that way...just go with the flow, live your life, be happy and cruise thru life with the blinders on. It works great.

[Iceaxe]

Trump for the win!

Trump promised to be the jobs president and has delivered big time. There are now more jobs in the US then there are unemployed....

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/676191002

[oldno7]

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[Scott Card]

Trump for the win!

Trump promised to be the jobs president and has delivered big time. There are now more jobs in the US then there are unemployed....

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/676191002
I'll be more impressed if he will become the "fix welfare" and "fix immigration" president to fill those jobs.

[twotimer]

I'll be more impressed if he will become the "fix welfare" and "fix immigration" president to fill those jobs.I eat breakfast regularly at the greasy diner nearby and there is a guy named Russ that eats there frequently, too. He's 68 and in pretty good shape, still working.

He owns a landscaping business. 40 yrs here in Denver. Does nothing but commercial...new construction, landscape maintenance and snow removal. Has 20-30 guys working year round. They're mostly Mexicans that have the H1B (or something like that) visa. He said it's hard to get enough bodies these days because Trump is trying to keep the criminals out. He said before Trump, he had super sketchy guys showing up for work. He told me that the other big outfits aren't getting enough Mexican workers either. Said it's his biggest hardship right now.

I asked him what he paid. $9 to start, moving up to $12 real quick if they're good. Plenty of work out there.

Does welfare pay more than $12 an hour these days?

[Iceaxe]

The problem is why work for $9-12 an hour when welfare pays $15.

[oldno7]

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[Sandstone Addiction]

Funny video...although, not funny at the same time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrozAyk_Wc

[Iceaxe]

Anyone following this? It's truly comical.... it reminds me of the first time I went out to dinner with my kids and then at the end of the meal I informed them they both had full time jobs and it was about time they picked up the check for a change.... truly a priceless moment....

Trump says US is like a 'piggy bank that everybody is robbing' on trade

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/09/trump-says-us-is-like-piggy-bank-that-everybody-is-robbing-on-trade.html

[twotimer]

Trump's on it. This Korea thing ought to be interesting.

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

^^^For the win^^^
[emoji106]

[accadacca]

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[oldno7]

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[twotimer]

Friggin' funny, man.

[twotimer]

....,,From '04 to '15 I spent Jan. and Feb. on the big island. Just living out of a rental car, camping and hitting a motel or B+B once in a while. Great island to relax and hang out.

Anyway, I'm very familiar with the lava, having hiked to it in the park and just outside the boundary...no man's land. This whole area that's getting blasted right now has had a date with death and everyone there knew it. It's on the Eastern Rift Zone and it's spewed big flows in the last 100 years. They built a subdivision right along the northern edge of the big crack, hoping that would save them. Nope.

Disposable houses, really. A real bummer is that this eruption buried some awesome snorkeling and a hot spring. A campground, too. The history of Kilauea is interesting.

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aXr3IMKj-g

[twotimer]

Have a seat, young man. We're going to talk.

[Sombeech]

Did Justin T really have a fake eyebrow? What's up with that?

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gfprd27VJI&app=desktop&persist_app=1

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

If Trump pulls this off it will be historic! On par with Regans "tear down this wall".

I can't wait to hear the left "it's not fair to take their nukes and leave them without healthcare temper tanturm"

Kim Jong Un to start denuclearization 'virtually immediately'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-to-hannity-kim-jong-un-to-start-denuclearization-virtually-immediately.html

[oldno7]

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[uintafly]

If Trump pulls this off it will be historic! On par with Regans "tear down this wall".

I can't wait to hear the left "it's not fair to take their nukes and leave them without healthcare temper tanturm"

Kim Jong Un to start denuclearization 'virtually immediately'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-to-hannity-kim-jong-un-to-start-denuclearization-virtually-immediately.html

Lot's of "if's" still, but it's a little disheartening to see so many poo poo the whole summit because they hate Trump. I mean, I dislike Trump as much as the next guy, but if he can get us to a point with decent relations with NK, props to him. Even if nothing comes of it, I can't see how giving it a shot isn't good. It's not like our tactics over the past few decades have ever helped.

[accadacca]

At the local hick store...

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[twotimer]

That's a cool hat. I'd buy it. Hell, the reason I voted for Trump was to prevent these freaks from calling the shots.

[oldno7]

:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

[rockgremlin]

I love that Hillary is watching this on some crappy 20" analogue screen on a t.v. tray jammed in the corner. :roflol:

Probably shopped, but still funny.

[accadacca]

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[rockgremlin]

^^^ Is this for real?

You either love him or hate him with this behavior. There's no middle ground. He's probably the most polarizing president this country has ever had.

[twotimer]

Yeah it's for real. And he's right. De Niro is bat shit crazy.

Who has ever attacked a Prez like the way they do Trump? He could either hit back or ignore it. I'm glad he lets it fly. Works for me.

[Iceaxe]

You either love him or hate him with this behavior. There's no middle ground. He's probably the most polarizing president this country has ever had.

Actually Lincoln was the most polarizing President of all time. Don't forget his election resulted in a Civil War.

But Trump is definitely near the top. Funny part is if you study Lincoln's presidency you will see numerous parallels with Trump. Lincoln was vilified by the press and opposition on a scale easily equal to Trump. And now Lincoln is regarded by many as one of our greatest presidents ever.

Go figure. [emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

Those playing along at home will remember I posted this back in February.....

So yesterday a friend made the comment....

Nobody had heard of Abraham Lincoln in 1854. Where is such an American leader today? Please step out of the mist.

This comment really got me thinking. If a Lincoln stepped out of the shadows today two out of every three people reading this post would not be able to stand him. Which is kind of funny when you think that such a hated individual was actually the one that united the country.

At the time Lincoln was more hated than Trump. Lincoln was also one of the few presidents who was treated less fair by the press than Trump. I'm not saying Trump is Lincoln, I'm just pointing out what would happen if another Lincoln stepped out of the shadows today. The media and the majority would treat him similar to how they treat Trump. Anyhoo... food for thought.

[stefan]

fox news vs fox news on NK

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/974751660311490561/video/1

[rockgremlin]

fox news vs fox news on NK

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/974751660311490561/video/1

:roflol:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[uintafly]

fox news vs fox news on NK

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/974751660311490561/video/1

Hilarious. Fox is basically state tv at this point.

[devo_stevo]

Hilarious. Fox is basically state tv at this point.
That was pretty funny, I'll agree with that. Your statement about Fox being state run tv is exactly what's wrong with our country, because from 2008-2016, one could say the same for CNN, NBC, or a number of other cable news channels. And you could make a video just like that using any one of them.

Everyone is so invested in there own ideas and politics that even when someone does something that will likely benefit all of us, we're never happy about it if it's "the other guy".

[rockgremlin]

That was pretty funny, I'll agree with that. Your statement about Fox being state run tv is exactly what's wrong with our country, because from 2008-2016, one could say the same for CNN, NBC, or a number of other cable news channels. And you could make a video just like that using any one of them.

Everyone is so invested in there own ideas and politics that even when someone does something that will likely benefit all of us, we're never happy about it if it's "the other guy".


Sadly very true.

About the only thing capable of breaking the two party system is a major economic crisis followed by a fringe party taking control of the white house. Which is how Hitler was able to be voted into power. His first two attempts at Chancellor failed miserably...until the U.S. stock market crashed, and then all of a sudden the National Socialist German Workers' Party (or Nazi Party) looked very attractive.


#Godwin's Law

[accadacca]

89799

[Linda]

LMAO.... I didn't even think of that. I was just going to blame it on the Russians.

I would go for Russians, their hackers are badass!

[oldno7]

..,.

[rockgremlin]

^^^OMG that's too funny. :lol8:

[Iceaxe]

Boom!!! There is that little fact...

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[uintafly]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/06/18/mormon-church-deeply-troubled-by-forced-family-separations-at-border/

[devo_stevo]

This is apparently the law of the land currently. We haven't heard much about it because no president has enforced it as much as Trump has and it was inconvenient for the press to report on it when a democrat was in office.

I'm not fond of what is happening to these families. I also hate the way it's being reported on. Congress has kicked the immigration can down the road so much, it's in a state of crisis. The whole reason that it hasn't been fixed is because it's been ignored or treated as a secondary issue for so long.

I suspect that Donald Trump is not a fan of the way this works and he's doing what Abraham Lincoln might do in his shoes:
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[Sombeech]

Shame on the illegal immigrant parents for bringing their kids to be exposed to such horrors.

[twotimer]

This is all bullshit. These people that are seeking asylum can just as easily do it in Mexico...right?

Yeah, yeah...more people, that's what we need! Most of them poor and spewing babies like crazy.

But hey, someone has to mow the lawns and clean the toilets. I paint houses for a living and I've seen it... these jobs are what they do. The only other "white boy" painters like me are all (like myself) older guys...no new young fresh ass kickers. A lot of sub contracting going on. A lot of blow and go work. All the old craftsmen are fading away.

Maybe we'll end up like Saudi Arabia...the poor are servants and it's the have and have nots. I've heard San Francisco looks like that.

[Iceaxe]

Something Trump does better then any politician I've ever witnessed is spin the narrative to make the other guy look really bad....

He did it with Crooked Hillary... he did it with the NFL and kneeling during the National Anthem... he did it with our Israelian Embassy... he did it with the Iran Deal... he did it on jobs... yadda, yadda....

Anyone want to place a bet against him going it again on immigration? The guy has amazing intuition and he always begins these attacks by chumming the water with bait his opponent just can't pass up... you think they would learn... but nope, they never see the hook...

[uintafly]

Shame on the illegal immigrant parents for bringing their kids to be exposed to such horrors.
At least tell me you see the irony in spending last week celebrating the courage and sacrifice of a group of people leaving their homes and traveling across a continent in order to have a better life.

[oldno7]

At least tell me you see the irony in spending last week celebrating the courage and sacrifice of a group of people leaving their homes and traveling across a continent in order to have a better life.

No irony when the continent you are crossing, happens to be one with which you are a LEGAL citizen.

We are a country of laws, there is and always has been a correct way to immigrate here.

Doing it any other way is illegal--

Very often, criminal behavior causes one to lose contact with ones family....

[oldno7]

whiny snowflakes are probably too young to remember this roundup.

[Sombeech]

At least tell me you see the irony in spending last week celebrating the courage and sacrifice of a group of people leaving their homes and traveling across a continent in order to have a better life.

LOL they were actually LEAVING the United States.

And, they were leaving because the murderous anti Mormon bigots were so intolerant, they were killing them because of their beliefs. Plenty of parents and children died on the journey, and you compare that to kids being temporarily held for paperwork.

[oldno7]

solution:nod:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

:lol8::lol8:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

clinton and obama on immigration--


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v=RXwnlsNFXIY

[uintafly]

LOL they were actually LEAVING the United States.

And, they were leaving because the murderous anti Mormon bigots were so intolerant, they were killing them because of their beliefs. Plenty of parents and children died on the journey, and you compare that to kids being temporarily held for paperwork.

Umm no, actually I compare it to leaving El Salvador and trying to figure out a way to get to the US border to seek asylum. As bad as things may have been in 19th century Missouri, I'd take it over where these kids are coming from.

For the most part these aren't people being caught crossing the boarder, but are turning themselves in and asking for help. I understand the idea that we can't just open the boarders and let everyone who wants in, but I don't see how people can defend the policy of taking kids and putting them in cages.

[Iceaxe]

The only reason the separation of children from their parents at the border is an issue is because Russia didn't work, gun control didn't work and Stormy Daniels didn't work.

The Democrats need something to distract from heir high level crimes and this is just the latest craze.

And just for the record... there has been a 314% increase in adults showing up at the border with kids they are not related to, that is not family, that is child trafficking.

:soapbox:

[Sombeech]

but I don't see how people can defend the policy of taking kids and putting them in cages.
Yeah Trump is such an asshole he figured out how to cage kids since 2014
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[Sombeech]

Umm no, actually I compare it to leaving El Salvador and trying to figure out a way to get to the US border to seek asylum. As bad as things may have been in 19th century Missouri, I'd take it over where these kids are coming from.


Sounds like El Salvador is a Shithole.

It makes waiting safely in a fence for a bit sound like easy street.

Or would a drywall room with a locked door be better?

[oldno7]

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[Sombeech]

In all seriousness though, what should happen with these kids at the border?

[Iceaxe]

For the most part these aren't people being caught crossing the boarder, but are turning themselves in and asking for help. I understand the idea that we can't just open the boarders and let everyone who wants in, but I don't see how people can defend the policy of taking kids and putting them in cages.

You are wrong, families presenting themselves at a border crossing and seeking asylum through proper channels were never (with some legal exceptions) being separated. Those caught crossing illegally with children were being separated.....

....but not like liberals don't always try and muddy the waters and confuse thee issue..... same thing as when liberals try and confuse illegal immigrant with (legal) immigrant. They are always trying to confuse the less educated or poorly informed.

Anyhoo.... doesn't matter now, Trump just signed an executive order (alla Obama) stopping the practice. But the problem with executive orders as we have all seen as they can be undone by the next guy with the stroke of a pen.

CONGRESS needs to fix this, blaming this on any President is stupid as there is little he can do, this is Congresses problem and they need to get off their ass and fix this.

YMMV
:flag:

[Iceaxe]

In all seriousness though, what should happen with these kids at the border?

Are you asking about those seeking asylum legally by presenting themselves at a border crossing and requesting asylum? Or those caught trying to cross the border illegally?

For those attempting to cross legally there is already a pretty good system in place.

[uintafly]

Are you asking about those seeking asylum legally by presenting themselves at a border crossing and requesting asylum? Or those caught trying to cross the border illegally?

For those attempting to cross legally there is already a pretty good system in place.

Those on the ground seem to disagree. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

An excerpt
TM: So, just so I make sure I understand: the parents come in and say, “We’re persecuted” or give some reason for asylum. They come in. And then their child or children are taken away and they’re in lockup for at least six weeks away from the kids and often don’t know where the kids are. Is that what’s happening under zero tolerance?
AC: So the idea of zero tolerance under the stated policy is that we don’t care why you’re afraid. We don’t care if it’s religion, political, gangs, anything. For all asylum seekers, you are going to be put in jail, in a detention center, and you’re going to have your children taken away from you. That’s the policy. They’re not 100 percent able to implement that because of a lot of reasons, including just having enough judges on the border. And bed space. There’s a big logistical problem because this is a new policy. So the way they get to that policy of taking the kids away and keeping the adults in detention centers and the kids in a different federal facility is based on the legal rationale that we’re going to convict you, and since we’re going to convict you, you’re going to be in the custody of the U.S. Marshals, and when that happens, we’re taking your kid away. So they’re not able to convict everybody of illegal entry right now just because there aren’t enough judges on the border right now to hear the number of cases that come over, and then they say if you have religious persecution or political persecution or persecution on something that our asylum definition recognizes, you can fight that case behind bars at an immigration detention center. And those cases take two, three, four, five, six months. And what happens to your child isn’t really our concern. That is, you have made the choice to bring your child over illegally. And this is what’s going to happen.

[Iceaxe]

Those on the ground seem to disagree. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

An excerpt
TM: So, just so I make sure I understand: the parents come in and say, “We’re persecuted” or give some reason for asylum. They come in. And then their child or children are taken away and they’re in lockup for at least six weeks away from the kids and often don’t know where the kids are. Is that what’s happening under zero tolerance?
AC: So the idea of zero tolerance under the stated policy is that we don’t care why you’re afraid. We don’t care if it’s religion, political, gangs, anything. For all asylum seekers, you are going to be put in jail, in a detention center, and you’re going to have your children taken away from you. That’s the policy. They’re not 100 percent able to implement that because of a lot of reasons, including just having enough judges on the border. And bed space. There’s a big logistical problem because this is a new policy. So the way they get to that policy of taking the kids away and keeping the adults in detention centers and the kids in a different federal facility is based on the legal rationale that we’re going to convict you, and since we’re going to convict you, you’re going to be in the custody of the U.S. Marshals, and when that happens, we’re taking your kid away. So they’re not able to convict everybody of illegal entry right now just because there aren’t enough judges on the border right now to hear the number of cases that come over, and then they say if you have religious persecution or political persecution or persecution on something that our asylum definition recognizes, you can fight that case behind bars at an immigration detention center. And those cases take two, three, four, five, six months. And what happens to your child isn’t really our concern. That is, you have made the choice to bring your child over illegally. And this is what’s going to happen.
#FakeNews

If you read this they are again mingling those seeking asylum through legal channels and those caught illegally crossing the border, and then requesting asylum.

Muddy the waters and confuse the issues to keep the idiot's screaming its Trumps fault.

And the bottomline has still not changed.... Congress needs to quit weaponizing the issue and fix the problem...

[emoji631]

[twotimer]

Holy shit! Oldno layin' it down.

I suppose we'll see if there are enough pissed off, tweaked out people to elect some Dems later on, eh? Cuz this is what it's all about.

Personally, I think the Democrats along with the liberal mass media have been making absolute fools of themselves. The Democrat Party is a friggin' joke.

I'm definitely conservative, but I'll always listen to my friends and clients with different views...but they're political representatives appear straight up crazy. I can only imagine that they must be losing moderate voters in droves.

A little more than 4 months from now.

[oldno7]

But--but--

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[oldno7]

refresher

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[Iceaxe]

If Trump really wants to get the wall built he should come out tomorrow in favor of open borders... LOL...

[Sombeech]

If the illegals started voting Republican / Conservative, you'd see Cuck Schumer grab some mortar and bricks and start building the wall himself.

[uintafly]

If the illegals started voting Republican / Conservative, you'd see Cuck Schumer grab some mortar and bricks and start building the wall himself.

fakenews. Since you know, illegals can't vote and all.

Also it needs to be said that very few people on the left are actually calling for open borders. But it does make a sweet strawman for you guys.

[Iceaxe]

fakenews. Since you know, illegals can't vote and all.

Also it needs to be said that very few people on the left are actually calling for open borders. But it does make a sweet strawman for you guys.

Well that is one of the BIG problems for Democrats at the moment.... the Democrats have no clear and unified message on immigration, or anything else for that matter, outside of obstruct Trump.

The Democrats better get their shit together or this November is going to be a cold and lonely month for them.

:popcorn:

[twotimer]

fakenews. Since you know, illegals can't vote and all.

Also it needs to be said that very few people on the left are actually calling for open borders. But it does make a sweet strawman for you guys.I find it difficult to find just what it is that they're calling for? Makes that straw man pretty easy to build.

Can you tell us just what it is that the Dems want in regards to the border? Please...

I can tell you what my party wants: A secure border where very little if any non-citizens aren't getting thru along with an immigration policy that brings in more educated/skilled people.

Fewer people coming in that need federal or state assistance means there's more for those that where actually born here that need it. We really don't need to IMPORT more of that, for Christ's sake. How about the gangs and heavy drugs? The left is demonizing the border guards!

I'm sorry...do I live in a fantasy world and all of this is in my head? Perhaps you can straighten me out, eh? What do the Dems want?

[devo_stevo]

Well, I can tell you what they don't want. They obviously aren't happy that Trump stopped "tearing apart families". It's amazing. Trump signs an order (that they have been clamoring for) and when I wake up this morning, all of the headlines are about how horrible Trump is for signing an executive order. You just can't please them.

All I can say is that congress better get off their butts and start doing something.

[Sombeech]

Can you tell us just what it is that the Dems want in regards to the border? Please...


No, nobody can.

[twotimer]

All I can say is that congress better get off their butts and start doing something.I think the Republicans have been ready to deal for a long time. They're bringing more money for border security (the Wall) to the table and it's not coming off. I think they also are ready to grant "amnesty" to millions...kinda Reaganesqe. The Dems say "F-you".

I don't know what the Dems want. I don't even know what they would bring to the table right off the bat.

Like I said, the Democrat Party is a friggin' mess. Who's speaking for them?

[Iceaxe]

For anyone that cares to actually educate themselves on what was actually happening with children at the border here is a good article on KSL.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46346597

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Obama was a good president!!

[oldno7]

Obama was a good president!!

what were his top 5 achievements that made him good?

[Iceaxe]

Obama was a good president!!If by good you mean let everyone walk over the top of him and by extension the American people I totally agree.

Obama was good for Iran, ISIS, the EU, Mexico, China....

[Iceaxe]

I have a quick and simple fix to the border issue.... If you don’t want families separated, secure the border so that illegal immigrants don’t have to be captured by Border Patrol and separated.

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what were his top 5 achievements that made him good?

1) Cut Unemployment rate from 10 to under 5 % during the economic sh*tstorm when he took office.
2) Created the ACA which covered 20 million additional Americans. As flawed as it may be, it's not going anywhere and when it gets ironed out and working as it should it'll be Obama that gets the credit.
3) 86'd Bin Laden
4) Supported LGBTQ's marriage equality rights (fyi - Millennials couldn't give a sh*t about who marries who and much of the antiquated right wing moral values arguments).
5) Successfully saved the American Auto Industry.
6) Made measurable improvements in increasing renewable energy and increases in fuel standards.

I could name a bunch more but I've come to the realization on this board that one person's accomplishments could be also viewed as one person's failure.

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...continuing the list...

7) BENM

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[Iceaxe]

1) Cut Unemployment rate from 10 to under 5 % during the economic sh*tstorm when he took office.
2) Created the ACA which covered 20 million additional Americans. As flawed as it may be, it's not going anywhere and when it gets ironed out and working as it should it'll be Obama that gets the credit.
3) 86'd Bin Laden
4) Supported LGBTQ's marriage equality rights (fyi - Millennials couldn't give a sh*t about who marries who and much of the antiquated right wing moral values arguments).
5) Successfully saved the American Auto Industry.
6) Made measurable improvements in increasing renewable energy and increases in fuel standards.

I could name a bunch more but I've come to the realization on this board that one person's accomplishments could be also viewed as one person's failure.

Descent list.... #1, #3 and #5 I agree with.

But....

#2 is history as it no longer has the funding required to support it. Healthcare is a lot like immigration in that Congress needs to fix this mess and stop trying to use it as a weapon against the other party. The only thing Obama did with the ACA is shift the problem of paying for healthcare from one group to another. Many that had good healthcare have now been saddled with shitty healthcare. Socialism makes everyone equal, and by that I mean equally poor.

#4 did nothing but confuse the issue. Obama is as much damage as good so I'll call it a toss up.

#6 shows you really have no understanding energy outside of reading the media talking points. 80% of my work is in mining and energy and what was done to the energy industry could best be described as a SNAFU at best.

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#5???

at the taxpayers cost, gm and it's unions should have been allowed to go broke.
There is no such thing as too big to fail.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/30/taxpayers-gm-bailout-losses/8522681/

#2 will go down in history as the largest scam on the average wage earner, rising premiums and annual costs, all subsidized.

#6 is laughable but thanks--I needed that:roflol:

#1 un employment fell. What policy helped that?

#3 yep, he was president when bin laden died.

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#7) Didn't chase a porn star around a hotel room in tighty whities, mind you, "I really don't care". Look, see what I did there??

[Iceaxe]

#5???

at the taxpayers cost, gm and it's unions should have been allowed to go broke.

Nope! If we had of let the US auto industry go belly up it would have pulled this country into another Great Depression. It's all the large and small satellite businesses and industries that through no fault of their own who would have also been sucked into bankruptcy that was the major issue.

History has taught us the biggest mistake by our government during the Great Depression is they didn't step in soon enough.

The government really had only two choices, fix a big problem at the moment or fix a massively huge problem a year down the road.

YMMV

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Nope! If we had of let the US auto industry go belly up it would have pulled this country into another Great Depression. It's all the large and small satellite businesses and industries that through no fault of their own who would have also been sucked into bankruptcy that was the major issue.

History has taught us the biggest mistake by our government during the Great Depression is they didn't step in soon enough.

The government really had only two choices, fix a big problem at the moment or fix a massively huge problem a year down the road.

YMMV

It's all speculation at this point--we will never know.

I prefer capitalism, ymmv

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I never heard a word about any potential buyers for GM...so we'll never know if new owners could have turned it around. Probably not, as they were so far down a hole. Besides, a liberal administration was bound to stand behind the union there.

Letting it hit the skids would have taken down tons of parts suppliers. I've heard that they repaid most, if not all of the money they borrowed. Anyway, I'd love to read a factual book detailing how that all went down...who was calling the shots.

These days, they need to vastly improve their trucks. Never bought any of their stock or products.

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problem was--new buyers can't come in when the United States and UAW owns the company.

Letting it go under, would have certainly crushed UAW.

But as Byron says, liberals ARE pro union and that was not an option--at the time, although I believe it would have been a good one.

Letting weak, financially un responsible companies thrive on the US taxpayer is not ideal.(solyndra, et al)

[Iceaxe]

GM and Chrysler both repaid their loans ahead of schedule and with interest. The basic issue was the US government was probably the only one big enough to bail them out... in hind sight this was executed to prefection.

If GM and Chrysler had of failed it would have taken 20 or 30 very difficult years for the country to dig out of the massive hole created.

Pure uncheck and unregulated capitalism has it's pitfalls...

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