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Brian in SLC

09-30-2017, 06:39 PM

Kindergarten or President? You decide...

Fake News CNN and NBC are going out of their way to disparage our great First Responders as a way to "get Trump." Not fair to FR or effort!

I will be going to Puerto Rico on Tuesday with Melania. Will hopefully be able to stop at the U.S. Virgin Islands (people working hard).

The Fake News Networks are working overtime in Puerto Rico doing their best to take the spirit away from our soldiers and first R's. Shame!

Despite the Fake News Media in conjunction with the Dems, an amazing job is being done in Puerto Rico. Great people!

The Governor of Puerto Rico, Ricardo Rossello, is a great guy and leader who is really working hard. Thank you Ricky!

Just spoke to Governor Kenneth Mapp of the U.S. Virgin Islands who stated that #FEMA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FEMA?src=hash) and Military are doing a GREAT job! Thank you Governor!

Congresswoman Jennifer Gonzalez-Colon of Puerto Rico has been wonderful to deal with and a great representative of the people. Thank you!
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To the people of Puerto Rico:Do not believe the #FakeNews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNews?src=hash)!

My Administration, Governor @RicardoRossello (https://twitter.com/ricardorossello), and many others are working together to help the people of Puerto Rico in every way...

......#FakeNews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNews?src=hash) critics are working overtime, but we're getting great marks from the people that truly matter!

We must all be united in offering assistance to everyone suffering in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the wake of this terrible disaster.

Results of recovery efforts will speak much louder than complaints by San Juan Mayor. Doing everything we can to help great people of PR!

I will be in PR on Tues. to further ensure we continue doing everything possible to assist & support the people in their time of great need.

Very important that NFL players STAND tomorrow, and always, for the playing of our National Anthem. Respect our Flag and our Country!

Because of #FakeNews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNews?src=hash) my people are not getting the credit they deserve for doing a great job. As seen here, they are ALL doing a GREAT JOB!pic.twitter.com/1ltW2t3rwy (https://t.co/1ltW2t3rwy)

The media could not be played.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK & IGNORE THE FAKE NEWS!
I want everybody on the ground in PR & USVI assisting in Hurricane Maria relief efforts to know that we are grateful & thankful to all of you! Ignore the FAKE NEWS & keep up the GREAT WORK! THANK YOU!

In analyzing the Alabama Primary race,FAKE NEWS always fails to mention that the candidate I endorsed went up MANY points after endorsement!

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Iceaxe

09-30-2017, 10:30 PM

oldno7

10-01-2017, 06:49 AM

yea, kindergarten status for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

been to 57 states, one to go:crazy:

rockgremlin

10-02-2017, 03:35 PM

Damn... some days you just can't catch a break...

Miley Cyrus Backtracks On Vow To Leave America Because Trump Was Elected

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/09/29/miley-cyrus-backtracks-on-vow-to-leave-america-because-trump-was-elected.html

That chick is currently in freefall. Might be worse than Britney and Madonna. Have you seen her most recent lesbian photoshoot? Good Lord...:facepalm1:

Iceaxe

10-09-2017, 07:00 PM

If you are interested in seeing who voted for Trump and who voted for Hillary the charts at the following links are very interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/gun-ownership-partisan-divide.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=keywee&mccr=dommob&kwp_0=544470&kwp_4=1954227&kwp_1=819455

rockgremlin

10-09-2017, 08:07 PM

accadacca

10-09-2017, 09:01 PM

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Iceaxe

10-10-2017, 01:20 PM

Rural, gun owning, married working class white folks vote for Trump.

AKA: The Deporables..... :roflol:

accadacca

10-11-2017, 07:34 PM

#1 ON TRENDING
Eminem Rips Donald Trump In BET Hip Hop Awards Freestyle Cypher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=LunHybOKIjU

Iceaxe

10-11-2017, 08:33 PM

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Sombeech

10-12-2017, 07:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_FV1CBgjNU

Iceaxe

10-12-2017, 07:47 AM

^^^Chaz Bono called and wants his beard back.

ROFLMAO

Iceaxe

10-13-2017, 06:41 PM

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Iceaxe

10-14-2017, 09:48 AM

Boom....

https://youtu.be/3jFJTZkMc40

rockgremlin

10-14-2017, 11:26 AM

Boom....

https://youtu.be/3jFJTZkMc40

Yeah, I've always been impressed with eminem over the years. He's been able to stay relevant as a white boy in the rap genre for decades.

But...

I gotta say - this latest parking lot outburst was pathetic. Like he was trying so hard to devise some edgy lyrics and they just weren't coming. That's the first time I've seen him not just rusty, but utterly awful.

oldno7

10-16-2017, 06:53 PM

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Sombeech

10-17-2017, 07:24 AM

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This right here is worth voting for the guy. Even though I believe he's led a life of what some would (and do) call a slimeball from New York, if certain people and groups get upset by his actions, I find it very satisfying.

uintafly

10-18-2017, 09:33 AM

This right here is worth voting for the guy. Even though I believe he's led a life of what some would (and do) call a slimeball from New York, if certain people and groups get upset by his actions, I find it very satisfying.

You just summed up America in one post. As long as the guy is on my team I love him warts and all, if he is on the other team he is a 100% pure a$$hole. People in Detroit loved Laimbeer. Everyone else hated him. Not a right or a left thing, not even a political thing. We just love having our side win.

Sombeech

10-18-2017, 01:32 PM

You just summed up America in one post. As long as the guy is on my team I love him warts and all, if he is on the other team he is a 100% pure a$$hole. People in Detroit loved Laimbeer. Everyone else hated him. Not a right or a left thing, not even a political thing. We just love having our side win.

It's not that I love the guy. It's that I love when certain people are up in arms. Trump gets hate from every single demographic in the world, any kind of group you can think of.

He looks funny as hell, there's plenty of comedic material available just on his looks and personality. He's a jackass. He's an asshole. He's a jerk. He's made money through some slimy venues. But the dude works, he gets shit done and he gets it done in the first few months.

And when certain people are in agony from his actions, I know deep down in my soul that he must be doing it right. He has accomplished much more than any of the other "more qualified" candidates, and they are embarrassed by it, as it shows the world that they're all talk.

If Hillary won, and she got all of her stuff accomplished (what was it, anyways?) she would deserve the same kind of respect for doing her job instead of just talkety talk.

Trump is an embarrassment as a person in many aspects, but damn that dude knows how to get shit done and piss of the right people, providing so much comedic relief.

Sombeech

10-19-2017, 11:54 AM

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accadacca

10-20-2017, 09:34 PM

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uintafly

10-23-2017, 07:59 AM

Don't let Trump see that cover. It will soon be gracing the walls of his golf courses. :roflol:

accadacca

10-24-2017, 10:10 PM

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Iceaxe

10-25-2017, 04:27 PM

I'll just leave this here....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/a77d4e52cae775b6bb33a52275708fa7.jpg

twotimer

10-25-2017, 05:19 PM

They were so smug and cocksure they thought they had it in the bag...left their back door wide open.

How the worm has turned, eh?

oldno7

10-26-2017, 07:33 AM

,.,,

Sombeech

10-26-2017, 10:14 AM

I'll just leave this here....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/a77d4e52cae775b6bb33a52275708fa7.jpg

LOLz, so I wonder if the whole thing will drop now

oldno7

10-26-2017, 10:25 AM

....A white bronco moment coming:haha:

Iceaxe

10-26-2017, 11:18 AM

Obama's huge claim to fame when leaving office was "at least no major scandals on my watch"...

It looks like Obama might have to conveniently forget this one just like he did with the Fast & Furious Gun Running conducted under his DOJ.

Iceaxe

10-26-2017, 09:14 PM

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oldno7

10-27-2017, 02:11 PM

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hank moon

10-29-2017, 08:15 PM

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Iceaxe

10-29-2017, 09:37 PM

:-)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171030/8f6c1115fd0536841ee623cc381d5327.jpg

oldno7

10-30-2017, 07:18 AM

"I kind of thought conservatism and the Party of Lincoln stood for something more than one man’s fragile ego and the people determined to protect it."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/453210/trump-republican-snowflake-caucus-loyalty-not-agenda-important-trump?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=171027_G-File&utm_term=GFile

It's obvious that your blind to reality, then.

This has NOTHING to do with Trump as a man.

This has to do with taking back our country from 8 years of being run by an individual hell bent on destroying a Republic.

Have you noticed, zero is living up to his name--almost zero legacy left:2thumbs:

Have you noticed the swamp is draining from both sides of the isle?

didn't think so.

The only thing a conservative likes about Trumps ego, is the fact it pisses off you and your ilk.......

THAT makes it very acceptable...

uintafly

10-30-2017, 07:41 AM

Iceaxe

10-30-2017, 07:45 AM

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oldno7

10-30-2017, 09:19 AM

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hank moon

10-30-2017, 10:51 AM

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Scott P

10-30-2017, 10:59 AM

Have you noticed the swamp is draining from both sides of the isle?

I haven't noticed the draining of the swamp unless the purpose of draining the swamp is to see what scum is left at bottom of the swamp that can be appointed to the cabinet.

devo_stevo

10-30-2017, 11:04 AM

It really is amazing. The people most likely to mock “snowflakes” and ask if you’ve been “triggered” have the most Pavlovian responses to criticism of Trump. They can’t seem to handle hearing anyone pointing out Trump’s personal, ideological, political, or managerial failings. To use their lingua franca, it is the stuff of “butthurt.”

I don’t think there’s a single reason for this. It’s more like an arsenal of psychological defense mechanisms. Off the top of my head:

There’s the kneejerk anger at having it pointed out that your hero is out of his depth and that all of your assurances of superhuman skill and winningness were so much naïve piffle. There’s the blind tribal fury of saying things that lend aid and comfort to liberals. And we can’t leave out the discomfort, particularly acute among those with a long record of claiming ideological purity, of having the extent of their capitulation exposed.

Which brings us to the enabling. Everyone understands Trump can’t help himself. The rest of us, therefore, should make allowances for that and not provoke him. “You should have known Dad would fly off the handle!” So Trump is held to one standard and everyone else to another. Ted Cruz is right that the Republicans have work to do. But who has taken his eye off the ball more than anyone else in Washington? Hint: It’s not Jeff Flake, it’s not Bob Corker, and it’s not Ben Sasse. It’s most emphatically not Mitch McConnell, who gave Trump his biggest win — Justice Gorsuch — and who is doing yeoman’s work to get conservatives on the lower courts.

It’s the guy who’d rather fight Gold Star families and rant about the NFL. It’s the guy who talks about revoking licenses for the press and talks about Confederate generals as “our heritage.” But just as there’s no reasoning with Dad when he gets into the Dewar’s, there’s no talking Trump out of his Twitter when he gets into one of his “moods.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/453210/trump-republican-snowflake-caucus-loyalty-not-agenda-important-trump?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=171027_G-File&utm_term=GFileThis is exactly the kind of crap that makes people hate politics. This post right here could easily have been written about supporters of Obama and their lack of "tolerance" of all people who disagree with them all the while preaching "tolerance" to the world and telling everyone about how much smarter they are than the rest of the unwashed masses.

Absolute drivel. Both sides of the political spectrum spew this bile at the other side and ignore their own shortcomings the entire time. It's sickening and as long as this continues, the country will continue to be divided and congress will never get anything done. Riots and protests will continue, and hate crimes will increase in frequency.

All I can say is, lighten up Francis!

hank moon

10-30-2017, 11:15 AM

This is exactly the kind of crap that makes people hate politics. This post right here could easily have been written about supporters of Obama and their lack of "tolerance" of all people who disagree with them all the while preaching "tolerance" to the world and telling everyone about how much smarter they are than the rest of the unwashed masses.

Absolute drivel. Both sides of the political spectrum spew this bile at the other side and ignore their own shortcomings the entire time. It's sickening and as long as this continues, the country will continue to be divided and congress will never get anything done. Riots and protests will continue, and hate crimes will increase in frequency.

All I can say is, lighten up Francis!

No disagreement in the general thrust, but public officials and their behavior are more responsible for making "people hate politics" than anything else.

devo_stevo

10-30-2017, 12:15 PM

That's very true. The folks in Washington are happy to subject us all to laws and rules that they consider themselves above. I've long said that if congress had to pay for and use the health insurance that they stuck the rest of us with, they would do something about the problems. But they won't because it's not in their own interest. There are plenty of examples of this disingenuous behavior our there in the public sector. Not just insurance.

accadacca

10-30-2017, 06:07 PM

“Officials want to know if the Obama administration was involved in the sale of U.S. uranium to Russian companies. One informant could be a game changer.”

DirkHammergate

10-30-2017, 06:41 PM

This is exactly the kind of crap that makes people hate politics. This post right here could easily have been written about supporters of Obama and their lack of "tolerance" of all people who disagree with them all the while preaching "tolerance" to the world and telling everyone about how much smarter they are than the rest of the unwashed masses.

Absolute drivel. Both sides of the political spectrum spew this bile at the other side and ignore their own shortcomings the entire time. It's sickening and as long as this continues, the country will continue to be divided and congress will never get anything done. Riots and protests will continue, and hate crimes will increase in frequency.

All I can say is, lighten up Francis!

Both sides are in an echo chamber. They talk and feed into what they want to hear on Facebook (or really any format) and get reinforced by their side. Take something you don't have an interest in at all, talk about it for 24 hours on Facebook with a friend then check out your ad feed. It's alarming.

DirkHammergate

10-30-2017, 06:43 PM

Also, I love that I have messengers icons that have not existed in years.... hilarious.

Iceaxe

10-30-2017, 07:03 PM

Is this the first shoe to fall??? Doesn't seem to be anything in the indictment linking the trump clan, but maybe it still comes down the road. I wonder if this will effect tax reform at all?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-rick-gates-indicted-by-federal-grand-jury-in-russia-probe.htmlI think the other shoe is about to drop, which is why Tony Podesta just resigned as head of the Podesta Group. The Podeda brothers are going to get rolled up in the Russia investigation. Their business partner in the Ukraine was Manafort.

Mark my words... The democrats will eventually regret the day they released the Russian unicorn.

/bookmarked

DirkHammergate

10-30-2017, 07:47 PM

I think the other shoe is about to drop, which is why Tony Podesta just resigned as head of the Podesta Group. The Podeda brothers are going to get rolled up in the Russia investigation. Their business partner in the Ukraine was Manafort.

Mark my words... The democrats will eventually regret the day they released the Russian unicorn.

/bookmarked

If they were all found to have illicit activities with Russia they should ALL go down. Russia is Russia and should be and always considered an enemy of the State by all parties.

Udink

10-30-2017, 08:30 PM

Today is the first time in a long time that Stefan and DirkHammergate have posted. Coincidence, or Russian conspiracy?

Scott P

10-30-2017, 08:51 PM

rockgremlin

10-30-2017, 09:05 PM

Today is the first time in a long time that Stefan and DirkHammergate have posted. Coincidence, or Russian conspiracy?

Yeah, where has Dirk been this whole time?

Iceaxe

10-30-2017, 10:08 PM

Am I the only one who is sick of hearing about Russia (from both sides)? Add the NFL and statues to the list.

I want to hear about health care getting better and fixing infrastructure. What happened to the promises of negotiating with pharmaceutical companies to make prescriptions more affordable?

Healthcare is going to have to totally crater before it gets fix. It's going to get a lot worse before it can get better. Our Senator's and Representatives are going to make us do this the hard way.

But in other news....

The economy is finally rolling along at a nice pace. Anyone with their head not stuck up their ass should be banking coin right now.

Unemployment is nearing record lows.

The stock market is hitting record highs and making record gains.

Inflation is way down.

The court system is being stocked with Constitutional/conservative judges, which will resonate through our history and chart our American course for the next 50 years

Tax reform is on deck next.

I'm finding it hard to bitch... yes I'd like to see more, and yes I'd like to kick a couple of people right in the nuts starting with John McCain, but for the most part I'm pretty happy after only 9 months.

Anyhoo.... lots of positives and lots of shit getting done. If the news outlets you listen to fail to report on any of it and only wants to chase the Russian unicorn perhaps you should reconsider where you obtain your news?

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oldno7

10-31-2017, 05:18 AM

If they were all found to have illicit activities with Russia they should ALL go down. Russia is Russia and should be and always considered an enemy of the State by all parties.

Is she Dirk's enemy?:ne_nau:

I could understand you wanting her to go down...

Sombeech

10-31-2017, 07:16 AM

Also, I love that I have messengers icons that have not existed in years.... hilarious.

Whoa, DIRK HAMMERGATE IS BACK.

Hey I forgot those icons existed, I think you're the only one that used them :haha:

DirkHammergate

10-31-2017, 02:40 PM

Whoa, DIRK HAMMERGATE IS BACK.

Hey I forgot those icons existed, I think you're the only one that used them :haha:

I'm a big believer in transparency and being available to all... It's a "Man of the People" kind of thing. Thus the years long layoff.

Iceaxe

10-31-2017, 05:22 PM

The attacker shouted ALLAHU ACKBAR! CNN is still trying to determine what his motive may be...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

Iceaxe

11-01-2017, 02:39 AM

Just to recap....

The economy has maintained a brisk 3.0 percent growth for the third quarter.

Inflation is below 2.0 percent.

The recent jobs report shows wages increasing at an encouraging rate.

Unemployment is at 4.2 percent, which is the lowest it's been in over 16 years.

The stock market is up 29.6% from a year ago.

That's a lot to like......

#MAGA

Sombeech

11-01-2017, 09:25 AM

The attacker shouted ALLAHU ACKBAR! CNN is still trying to determine what his motive may be...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

Yes, but which alt Right conservative Trump cell did he belong to, exactly? That's the question.

DirkHammergate

11-01-2017, 09:42 AM

Yes, but which alt Right conservative Trump cell did he belong to, exactly? That's the question.

It's called The Echo Chamber.

accadacca

11-01-2017, 05:44 PM

For the first time in more than three years, the U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of 3%.

Iceaxe

11-01-2017, 05:54 PM

For the first time in more than three years, the U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of 3%.

3 years!?! Try 8 years as the economy never hit 3% for the year when Obama was in office. Trump is going to nail down 3% for the year in his first year, and if he manages his tax cut he'll nail it for his first term.

hank moon

11-01-2017, 07:20 PM

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Iceaxe

11-03-2017, 06:51 AM

The US added 261,000 new jobs in October.

#MAGA

Iceaxe

11-03-2017, 09:24 PM

Thoughts? If I were a Bernie supporter I'd be really upset...

Donna Brazile Bombshell That DNC Was Rigged.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/03/big-three-networks-skip-donna-brazile-bombshell-that-dnc-was-rigged-for-clinton.html

Iceaxe

11-04-2017, 09:13 AM

So today is the big day... today is the day Antifa says they are going to overthrough Trump... Let's just sit back and see how well this plays out...

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oldno7

11-06-2017, 11:59 AM

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oldno7

11-06-2017, 12:11 PM

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Sombeech

11-06-2017, 12:19 PM

So today is the big day... today is the day Antifa says they are going to overthrough Trump... Let's just sit back and see how well this plays out...

I missed it, why today? What's going on today?

Iceaxe

11-06-2017, 12:55 PM

I missed it, why today? What's going on today?It was Saturday and it was a massive failure.

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Iceaxe

11-06-2017, 04:41 PM

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Sombeech

11-07-2017, 07:03 AM

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He's feeding them the evidence of his collusion.

Iceaxe

11-08-2017, 06:44 PM

One year ago today 63 million deplorables cast their vote for Donald J. Trump electing him as the 45th POTUS [emoji631]
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Sombeech

11-08-2017, 06:49 PM

Dang, 1 year ago today it happened. So many people feared for the gay marriages, that they would be forced to split up, and even fear for their safety. Remember that? Homosexuals forced to divorce their spouse because of a law created by Trump.

I was watching American Horror Story, Cult, and this was in the first episode. I almost shat myself laughing at the unrealistic fears invented.

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twotimer

11-08-2017, 06:55 PM

We live in a bizzaro world, man.

tallsteve

11-09-2017, 07:16 AM

Dang, 1 year ago today it happened. So many people feared for the gay marriages, that they would be forced to split up, and even fear for their safety. Remember that? Homosexuals forced to divorce their spouse because of a law created by Trump.

Yup. 1 year ago last night, I was sitting in rehearsal for a musical at a semi-professional theater company and some of my fellow actors were literally sobbing and in tears. They thought exactly what you stated. I told them nothing was going to happen and their fears were unfounded. What got me was that we were told that if we voted for Trump to please don't openly celebrate the victory because people were hurting. Several of us non-Hillary voters, sat kinda grouped together and silently tasted their delicious tears of sorrow.

rockgremlin

11-09-2017, 08:10 AM

What got me was that we were told that if we voted for Trump to please don't openly celebrate the victory because people were hurting.

Ridiculous :facepalm1:

Iceaxe

11-09-2017, 08:43 AM

What got me was that we were told that if we voted for Trump to please don't openly celebrate the victory because people were hurting.

That stupid request would have resulted in me marching around the room waving an American flag. But I'm not really known for caring about liberal feelings.

tallsteve

11-09-2017, 08:55 AM

That stupid request would have resulted in me marching around the room waving an American flag. But I'm not really known for caring about liberal feelings.

I would have done exactly that but, doing so would have banned me from working at this theater ever again and I enjoy it too much to push it out of my life. Oh, the tolerance of the self proclaimed tolerant.

oldno7

11-09-2017, 09:09 AM

I would have done exactly that but, doing so would have banned me from working at this theater ever again and I enjoy it too much to push it out of my life. Oh, the tolerance of the self proclaimed tolerant.

Ahhh----the fascism of the anti fascist...

oldno7

11-09-2017, 09:12 AM

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oldno7

11-09-2017, 09:13 AM

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oldno7

11-09-2017, 09:15 AM

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Iceaxe

11-11-2017, 04:15 PM

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accadacca

11-17-2017, 07:53 PM

Trump with the National Champion Utah Utes Ski Team.

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Sombeech

11-18-2017, 04:42 PM

Trump with the National Champion Utah Utes Ski Team.

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OMG look at this white group with no diversity this only colludes with Trump's racism because the ski team doesn't have any blacks.

Well, so how many blacks tried out for the ski team?

None, but that's not the point.

accadacca

11-18-2017, 06:39 PM

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accadacca

11-19-2017, 10:49 AM

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twotimer

11-19-2017, 06:14 PM

Trump with the National Champion Utah Utes Ski Team.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171118/db508ef656196a43ba35101f9719eb81.jpgWhen I first saw this picture, I thought they might be trying to guess how long Trumps dick was.

The chick on the right seems quite optimistic...the one on the left, not so much.

Scott P

11-19-2017, 08:15 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171119/6097cbe753e1a408abaafd15024297a2.jpg

These guys aren't too bright. Why would any relatively wealthy person from a rich country go to a less developed country and go shoplifting? They were caught shoplifting from at least three stores. They deserved at least some jail time.

Having been to China, I can say that those guys don't mess around. There is a reason China has such low crime rates. When you step of a plane in China, there is a big banner that says drug trafficking is punishable by death.

Still, China is no North Korea and they generally really like Americans. The last thing is want to do there is start committing crimes though.

double moo

11-20-2017, 07:54 PM

My brother lives in Shenzen, Shekau actually, and has for the past 10 years. 3 years ago he was put in jail for 3 weeks for a traffic violation - "to make an example for the foreiners". Total shithole of a jail - he has some pretty harrowing stories for the time he spent there. I was hoping these priveledged athletes would get to spend a little time there too.

Sombeech

11-20-2017, 08:45 PM

DirkHammergate

11-29-2017, 06:52 PM

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/21/lavar-ball-donald-trump-happy-thanksgiving-mobile-moment-sot-cuomo-intv-ctn.cnn

accadacca

12-02-2017, 07:49 AM

BREAKING: Former national security adviser Michael Flynn admitted a senior member of Trump's transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in 2016.

Iceaxe

12-02-2017, 08:02 AM

BREAKING: Former national security adviser Michael Flynn admitted a senior member of Trump's transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in 2016.#FakeNews

There is nothing illegal about talking with Russia, there is nothing illegal about colluding with the Russians.

Flynn is in trouble for lying under oath, not talking to Russia.

Just curious accadacca... what do you hope to gain with this Russian unicorn? Even if Trump is found guilty of something he will never be impeached (See Bill Clinton lying under oath about playing nasty with Lewinsky).

Iceaxe

12-02-2017, 08:15 AM

And back in the real news....

It looks like Trump is going to get his tax cut. With stocks booming, the economy catching fire and a tax cut in his pocket Trump is going to continue to be a dominating force.

Just remember I've been predicting for over a year that the 2018 election is going to be a blood bath in the Senate for Democrats.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171202/7defb2d13a0c0a2d5ae783f8491db6f2.jpg

accadacca

12-02-2017, 11:48 AM

North Korea: Trump is 'begging for nuclear war'

http://www.good4utah.com/news/politics/north-korea-trump-is-begging-for-nuclear-war/873482606

Brian in SLC

12-02-2017, 12:01 PM

#FakeNews

There is nothing illegal about talking with Russia, there is nothing illegal about colluding with the Russians.

Flynn is in trouble for lying under oath, not talking to Russia.

Just curious @accadacca (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=3)... what do you hope to gain with this Russian unicorn? Even if Trump is found guilty of something he will never be impeached (See Bill Clinton lying under oath about playing nasty with Lewinsky).

Depends on what the colluding was about...

If Russian hackers illegally hacked into email servers, for example, and had dirt...and the Trump team either sponsored that hacking or took advantage of that...wouldn't that be illegal?

Kinda like buying a car you know is stolen. Trump bought an election he knew was stolen.

Funny...folks stick a fork in Hillary for "selling US uranium to Russia" (which is fake news) but they give the Trump team a pass for their super shady dealings with Russia? Crazy.

Amazing the number of ties to Russa Trump has.

Painting of DaVinci that just sold for nearly a half a billion? The seller has huge (huuuge) ties with Trump.

Its just strange. Flynn gets let go by the Obama folk. Gets a paid junket by Russia to Russia. Hires on with the Trump team. Post election...he's chattin' with the Russians. Obama boots the Russians and implements sanctions. Flynn's back chattin' with the Russians and the Trump folks. Trump tweets how smart Putin is. That's...just...f'n crazy.

And folks are ok with all that?

Trump is Putin's bitch, bought and paid for, many times over.

And...that's ok, 'cause, Trump is your guy?

Just...wow.

Iceaxe

12-02-2017, 12:52 PM

Brian, you are missing my point.

If the Trump organization did something illegal they will find someone besides The Donald to fall on the sword (see Clinton playbook, page 1).

If Trump is discovered lying under oath nothing will come of it so long as the GOP controls the house or Senate. (see Clinton playbook, page 2).

If this investigation starts getting to close to Trump the story will be spun into a complicated labyrinth of smoke and mirrors along will legal entanglements that will never be unravelled until long after Trump is dead. (see Clinton playbook, page 3).

This has nothing to do with Trump being your guy or not. It has to do with understanding how things actually work in the real world and not a utopia .

As for my personal view it has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat, because I consider the whole lot of them to be some of the most corrupt people on the planet. YMMV

oldno7

12-02-2017, 03:51 PM

after the election I'll have more flexibility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Iceaxe

12-02-2017, 04:05 PM

Russian collusion uncovered?!?

It appears president elect Trump might have attempted to get the Russians to postpone the December 2016 UN resolution involving Israel until after he took office.

If true... half the country will want to impeach Trump... The other half will want to give him a medal...

Iceaxe

12-02-2017, 08:03 PM

#FakeNews makes headlines... again...

After erroneous Flynn report, ABC News suspends Brian Ross

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46209815&nid=157

DirkHammergate

12-03-2017, 08:33 AM

I believe Dirk said this recently.... The current state of politics is that it's an echo chamber. People are going to get the message they're looking for.

#fakenews is weakest and most troubling argument I've seen in my adult lifetime. A free press is written into the Bill of Rights and I have little respect for anyone that jumps on that bandwagon. That goes for those students in Berkeley that dis-invites a guest that doesn't meet their "Group-Think" standards. Totally embarrassing considering the University's past.

accadacca

12-04-2017, 06:40 AM

Air Force One arrives this morning in Salt Lake City.

The president’s itinerary is as follows:

10:50 a.m. Trump arrives at the Roland R. Wright Air National Guard Base, which is just east of the Salt Lake City International Airport.

11:20 a.m. Trump will meet with leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at Welfare Square at 751 W. 700 South in Salt Lake City.

11:45 a.m. Trump tours Welfare Square.

12:40 p.m. Trump speaks at the state Capitol.

1:35 p.m. Trump departs from the Roland R. Wright Air National Guard Base.

rockgremlin

12-04-2017, 07:50 AM

^^^You'd think his itinerary would be less transparent in the interest of security. :ne_nau:

Sombeech

12-04-2017, 08:35 AM

From the Onion :haha:

88498

Iceaxe

12-04-2017, 09:46 AM

^^^You'd think his itinerary would be less transparent in the interest of security. :ne_nau:

I was downtown for a Regan visit and the one thing I noticed is they do NOT drive the roads you would expect. Look at a map and plot the route you would take and then know they will not be driving on any of those roads.

accadacca

12-04-2017, 10:43 AM

Protesters are lining the streets!

rockgremlin

12-04-2017, 11:02 AM

Protesters are lining the streets!

I've never understood this behavior. What....do people think that if they protest loud enough Trump will just forget everything change his plans?

"What?! They're protesting?! Well, turn this limo around. I guess we're going back to Washington..."

Besides, are all liberals just unemployed or something? There's plenty of causes I'd like to march around the streets protesting, but I've got a job. Aint got time for that shit.

accadacca

12-04-2017, 12:15 PM

I've never understood this behavior. What....do people think that if they protest loud enough Trump will just forget everything change his plans?

"What?! They're protesting?! Well, turn this limo around. I guess we're going back to Washington..."

Besides, are all liberals just unemployed or something? There's plenty of causes I'd like to march around the streets protesting, but I've got a job. Aint got time for that shit.

https://www.facebook.com/ksltv/videos/10156308546418676/

accadacca

12-04-2017, 12:17 PM

And more protestors: https://www.facebook.com/GetGephardt/videos/1899242030116022/?hc_ref=ARQqqXEW-SJPbCc6vccTIArkweiahJqnxRZHa3-r6vdL7WTbLCiOfFdQdUHRBcAjY8I

Iceaxe

12-04-2017, 12:40 PM

And more protestors:

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Damn.... when I single I had house parties with larger crowds then that.

The one thing they did get correct is.... "This is what democracy looks like". To quote Barack Obama "Elections have consequences".

tallsteve

12-04-2017, 12:41 PM

...and, if they dislike Trump so much, wouldn't they want him to get out of the State as fast as possible? Seems like all they did was keep him in the State longer by slowing down his departure a tad.

Sombeech

12-04-2017, 12:46 PM

Liberals are weird.

"Hey Trump stay out of our lands"
---OK Utah here's your land back

DirkHammergate

12-04-2017, 01:13 PM

Liberals are weird.

"Hey Trump stay out of our lands"
---OK Utah here's your land back

True.... plus we hate Jesus.

accadacca

12-04-2017, 02:30 PM

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Damn.... when I single I had house parties with larger crowds then that.

The one thing they did get correct is.... "This is what democracy looks like". To quote Barack Obama "Elections have consequences".
Decent sized groups at several locations:

https://media.deseretdigital.com/file/4490464778?resize=width_1200&type=jpg&c=6&a=e0717f4c

https://media.deseretdigital.com/file/f43f6c8525?resize=width_1200&type=jpg&c=6&a=e0717f4c

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQOfOeFU8AArx1U.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQOlhCzVoAAZd-2.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQOr3ofVAAAabYE.jpg:large

accadacca

12-04-2017, 02:38 PM

88500

88501

88502

88503

rockgremlin

12-04-2017, 03:09 PM

^^^ I didn't see any Proclamation changes that protect mining and drilling....WTF? :ne_nau:

Maybe cuz there's nothing to mine there, perhaps? Just a wild guess...

...and this lady wants to talk to the manager:

88504

Sombeech

12-04-2017, 06:00 PM

...and this lady wants to talk to the manager:

:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::r oflol::roflol::roflol:

Iceaxe

12-06-2017, 06:15 AM

Another promise kept....

Trump forges ahead on Jerusalem-as-capital despite warnings

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46211115&nid=235

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/89d419472812a994bcc8172877d8618b.jpg

Scott P

12-06-2017, 11:16 AM

Iceaxe

12-06-2017, 12:33 PM

How does this benefit the US?:ne_nau:I find this funny coming from a guy that says Trump doesn't keep his promises.

Do you mean other then actually enforcing the law? If you don't like the law then change it, but don't ignore it. We are a land of laws, we do not get to just obey the laws we like.

Scott P

12-06-2017, 01:07 PM

I find this funny coming from a guy that says Trump doesn't keep his promises.

Do you mean other then actually enforcing the law? If you don't like the law then change it, but don't ignore it. We are a land of laws, we do not get to just obey the laws we like.

That doesn't answer the question on how this will help the US. I also know that Trump didn't make that law (it was passed in 1995). I'm just asking what advantage to the US there is to doing so. Notice that it is phrased in the form a question.

Also, I never said that Trump didn't keep all of his promises. I said that about health care, but not everything.

accadacca

12-06-2017, 04:15 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171207/bb05fb5ae7d5e93f41e5d512b11a9458.jpg

Iceaxe

12-06-2017, 04:36 PM

How does this benefit the US?:ne_nau:

This benefits the US because the American public gets exactly what they have been asking for the past 22 years.

A better question would be how is doing the same dumbass thing we have been doing the past 22 years and getting nowhere helping the American public?

See what I did there? :haha:

The first thing I was taught in military school was "do something".... charge, retreat, or get the hell out of the way.... but whatever you do just do something, because anything is better than sitting around with your thumb up your ass doing nothing.

Scott P

12-06-2017, 06:54 PM

This benefits the US because the American public gets exactly what they have been asking for the past 22 years.

A better question would be how is doing the same dumbass thing we have been doing the past 22 years and getting nowhere helping the American public?

See what I did there? :haha:

The first thing I was taught in military school was "do something".... charge, retreat, or get the hell out of the way.... but whatever you do just do something, because anything is better than sitting around with your thumb up your ass doing nothing.

See, you just should of said that in the first place. I was just wondering your rational, especially since you aren't religious (many support Israel for religious reasons, though many non-religious people do as well).

Anyway, my own thoughts are as follows:

It is true that the law passed in 1995, but at the time the world was arguably more stable than it ever has been historically (which is to say that there were still many problems). Clinton and Bush II both pledged (and then broke the promises) to move the embassy, but for better or worse nothing ever came of it because of security concerns. US citizens have become less decisive or neutral on the matter.

Al Qaeda and ISIS will be pissed off no matter what we do, so we shouldn't care what they think. That said though, before moving the embassy to Jerusalem, we should focus on ridding the world of ISIS and Al Qaeda. Then maybe we should think about moving the embassy. The former is much more important and should be our focus.

As it stands now, it doesn't seem that much (or anything) is to be gained by moving the embassy. At a minimum, it could and probably would increase the danger level to the embassy staff. If I was an ambassador or other embassy staff, I'd certainly feel more secure in Tel Aviv, but would do my duty regardless.

Plus Tel Aviv is only ~33 miles from Jerusalem. That's about the distance from Salt Lake to Provo. Tel Aviv is also the major air and transportation hub. Is it really worth the extra security risk for the sake of a 33 mile distance?

I just can't think of any advantages, other than the physiological support of Israel for moving the embassy. Of course if there is an advantage that I'm missing, feel free to point it out. You are right that the decision to move the embassy was made 22 years ago though.

In my own opinion, we have every right to move the embassy, but there are a lot more important things to focus on.

twotimer

12-06-2017, 08:48 PM

In listening to the anal-ysis on the radio today, it takes that bargaining chip off the table for the Palestinian leaders...punishment for them dragging their feet all these years.

We take this off the table, and then threaten something else important until they finally (at least) recognize Israel's right to exist and come to the negotiations with real intent. Seems sensible to me and it's what I would do...

"Hey assholes, we're going to bite off chunks until you come around". Make a choice or suffer. Enough of this going nowhere, decades long "peace process".

Also, it's sending a loud message to Iran and their proxies that we've got Israel's back.

I love it...Trump not being content with just going along with the program. Clinton would have played both sides just like Barry did.

Iceaxe

12-06-2017, 09:42 PM

Of course if there is an advantage that I'm missing, feel free to point it out.

Actually the US already maintains a large compound in Jerusalem which they conduct state business out of. Trump could simply have hung a US Embassy sign over the door and called it good, but he didn't.

I think TwoTimer nailed it, Trump is using the Embassy as a negotiating tool. Anyone that has read Trumps book "Art of the Deal" knows exactly what he is doing. Trump just took away much of the Palestinians leverage and forced them to the table before they lose all their leverage. The clock is now working against the Palestinians... tick - tock....

Say what you like about Trump, but the guy understands money and he understands negotiations.

Scott P

12-06-2017, 10:01 PM

Actually the US already maintains a large compound in Jerusalem which they conduct state business out of.

Yes and we have a consulate there.

Trump just took away much of the Palestinians leverage and forced them to the table before they lose all their leverage. The clock is now eorkong against the Palestinians.

Say what you like about Trump, but the guy understands money and he understands negotiations.

We'll see. Obviously every reasonable person, including myself, wishes Trump the best outcome in this regard. I think everyone that knows history expects that this is to take a bargaining chip away from the Palestinians.

On a different note, the elephant in the room is being ignored. It has been going on a long time and long before Trump came into office. The elephant it Turkey (although that sounds funny in a way). Turkey has the most powerful army in the Middle East, but the country is mostly ignored. In addition, Turkey, especially by Middle East standards and since the 1940's has been a strong ally of the US fight on terrorism. It was also the first country in the region to recognize Israel. In recent years both Turkish-Israeli relations and US-Turkish relations have been deteriorating for several years. This should be very concerning to anyone following what is going on in the Middle East. Although we don't have to do anything just to please Turkey, the move of the embassy could further sour relations.

I do see more negatives than positives in moving the embassy, but obviously I hope for the best as everyone else should as well.

No reasonable person would want this to fail just to make Trump look bad. In all likelihood, and hopefully it won't be much of an issue.

Still, I think there are more important issues (such as ISIS and Al Qaeda) than doing things like moving the embassy. As far as I'm concerned, that should be and hopefully is the #1 priority.

Brian in SLC

12-06-2017, 10:35 PM

I think TwoTimer nailed it, Trump is using the Embassy as a negotiating tool. Anyone that has read Trumps book "Art of the Deal" knows exactly what he is doing. Trump just took away much of the Palestinians leverage and forced them to the table before they lose all their leverage. The clock is now working against the Palestinians... tick - tock....

Say what you like about Trump, but the guy understands money and he understands negotiations.

I might disagree. He's a terrible negotiator. Bankruptcy...defaulting on the Deutchbank loan, etc.

The only people he successfully negotiates with are Russians...but, what we don't know...is who owns his marker, or, when the chickens come home to roost.

So...this announcement...what was the quid pro quo? What did Trump (and the US) get? Nada. He just gave away all his negotiating power. He coulda brokered a deal...but...didn't. Just gave up the farm. Nada in return.

That Hatch and Lee support this doesn't bode well for them back home either. When the BYU/church properties start seeing...issues....well,, we'll see.

Interesting stuff...

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1972/05/the-future-of-the-holy-land?lang=eng

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_Jerusalem_Center

Holy war...?

http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/12/06/gehrke-steve-bannons-attack-wasnt-just-targeting-mitt-romney-it-pitted-alabamas-evangelicals-against-mormons/

Who's the puppet master?

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/02/russia-strategic-vision-israel-iran-syria.html

Interesting to ponder the long term strategy.

Who benefitted from cheap oil? Who got hurt?

Whacky, crazy stuff.

I think previous administrations were smart to straddle the line...and not to step too far to one side of it. Well, that die appears to have been cast.

We shall see...

Iceaxe

12-06-2017, 10:52 PM

Brian, your total lack of business knowledge surprises me. Trump owns over 500 companies and less then a dozen have gone bankrupt. That is an amazing track record for any businessmen.

Also, claiming bankruptcy is not always a bad thing for a company as it allows them room for other options.

Closing a business is not always a bad thing. No reason to toss money down a black hole when it can be invested in more lucrative endeavors.

You need to understand that when Trump was a citizen his loyalty was with his company and not outside interests or banks. In fact a company owner is required by law to do what is best for his company and its share holders. What is best for a company is seldom what is best for outside interests.

As for Palestine no one has been able to broker a deal in 22 years and they were all using the same tactics. Trump didn't give away his negotiating power, he took away the Palestinians time. In business time is always the most important item, much more then money. You can make deals on money, you can add or subtract money, but you can never change time.

Brian in SLC

12-07-2017, 09:37 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-businesses-failures-successes-2016-10/#24-projects-the-times-concluded-didnt-work-out-1

http://www.businessreviewusa.com/leadership/5635/A-roundup-of-Donald-Trumps-business-successes-and-failures

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff

The guy who actually wrote "Art of the Deal" has some interesting comments...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-israel-evangelicals/push-by-evangelicals-helped-set-stage-for-trump-decision-on-jerusalem-idUSKBN1E104U

Scott P

12-07-2017, 04:44 PM

I was reading through Trump's twitter feed and noticed that a bunch of women are posting pictures of their naked boobs and saying that their tits would make a better president.

If you want to see the uncensored version, you will have to go to the tweets themselves:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/938102355878440960

There are more similar photos form other women on other tweet responses as well. I'm surprised that they have lasted a few days.

oldno7

12-08-2017, 05:10 AM

Lets get this thread back out of the gutter'.
Who was it that was complaining about no women here??
The hypocrisy is hilarious....

Sombeech

12-08-2017, 07:25 AM

There are more similar photos form other women on other tweet responses as well. I'm surprised that they have lasted a few days.

If you are surprised that nudity is allowed on public social media posted by Liberals, you may have forgotten all the crap posted in the last few years like Free The Nipple, and the silly Breastfeeding social awareness stuff, then the "Still not asking for it" crap posted by the fat naked women, and then the anti Trump protests where they dressed up as a bunch of pussies.

This is the world my kids are growing up in.

Scott P

12-08-2017, 09:48 AM

If you are surprised that nudity is allowed on public social media posted by Liberals, you may have forgotten all the crap posted in the last few years like Free The Nipple, and the silly Breastfeeding social awareness stuff, then the "Still not asking for it" crap posted by the fat naked women, and then the anti Trump protests where they dressed up as a bunch of pussies.

This is the world my kids are growing up in.

I'm not surprised someone posted it, but that Trump or someone else didn't delete it. The Twitter feed is moderated.

I also wanted to troll a little late at night.

Who was it that was complaining about no women here??

That would be nice, but I believe it's a lost cause. They aren't coming back and that ship has sailed.

Besides, I made a comment earlier in one of the threads that most of the posts on Bogley are garbage. I was including my own posts in that statement as well.

Sombeech

12-08-2017, 01:39 PM

I also wanted to troll a little late at night.

Damnit you have my respect

Iceaxe

12-08-2017, 08:25 PM

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171209/7d072e7bb553998b0cd9316014fcdcd7.jpg

Iceaxe

12-09-2017, 01:00 PM

More winning.....

PM announces on state TV Iraq's war against IS has ended

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46214338&nid=235

USAUSAUSAUSAUSA

#MAGA

Scott P

12-09-2017, 01:56 PM

More winning.....

PM announces on state TV Iraq's war against IS has ended

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46214338&nid=235

USAUSAUSAUSAUSA

#MAGA

That would be great, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet. We've all heard "Mission Accomplished" before. I'm skeptical that ISIS is gone from Iraq, even if I want it to be true.

twotimer

12-09-2017, 06:14 PM

Well, they might not be farting daisies over just yet, but at least ISIS no longer controls large areas of the country. So that's just straight up progress.

I can only imagine the hellfire we've been unleashing on those dudes in the last year. We don't hear diddly squat about it 'cuz the liberals are obsessed with the Russian Unicorn.

When Barry was the prez, they reported on every airstrike because they wanted to make him out like a tough guy. I'll give him credit for the Bin Laden hit, though.

double moo

12-09-2017, 06:33 PM

When Barry was the prez, they reported on every airstrike because they wanted to make him out like a tough guy. I'll give him credit for the Bin Laden hit, though.

I believe he waited several months until it was more politically expedient to give the go ahead...

Iceaxe

12-09-2017, 07:45 PM

That would be great, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet. We've all heard "Mission Accomplished" before. I'm skeptical that ISIS is gone from Iraq, even if I want it to be true.

No one said ISIS is gone, they said the war was over as there is no physical ground left for Iraq (with US support) to retake. Iraq understands there is still a lot of work left, but ISIS has now been reduced to a shadow organization with no base from which to operate in Iraq. That's a big win anyway you want to slice it.

Iceaxe

12-12-2017, 03:26 PM

As the election is long over I renamed the thread from Presidential Election to President Trump.

Feel free to post your hate or love here...

Iceaxe

12-12-2017, 03:28 PM

About frickin' time...

Trump to send astronauts back to the Moon — and eventually Mars

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46215367&nid=1313

DirkHammergate

12-12-2017, 07:16 PM

About frickin' time...

Trump to send astronauts back to the Moon — and eventually Mars

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46215367&nid=1313

Weird? Why?

double moo

12-12-2017, 08:24 PM

To satisfy the environmentalists who feel we littered the place in the 60's.

double moo

12-12-2017, 10:00 PM

better take some jumper cables.. there's a nice dune buggy that has sat for nearly 50 years... cool barn find.

Iceaxe

12-13-2017, 02:28 AM

better take some jumper cables.. there's a nice dune buggy that has sat for nearly 50 years... cool barn find.Just imagine what that bad boy would be worth at Barrett-Jackson :-)

oldno7

12-13-2017, 04:57 AM

,.,.

DirkHammergate

12-13-2017, 07:26 PM

About frickin' time...

Trump to send astronauts back to the Moon — and eventually Mars

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46215367&nid=1313

Maybe he should concentrate on saving a majority in both Houses of Congress.

Iceaxe

12-13-2017, 07:38 PM

Maybe he should concentrate on saving a majority in both Houses of Congress.

Hopefully the Republican's learned yesterday what the Democrats learned on November 8, 2016... which is... there is no guarantee of winning when you run a highly flawed candidate that is a disgrace to the human race, even if the deck is stacked totally in your favor.

Iceaxe

12-15-2017, 11:01 AM

Probably the smartest move Trump has made to date was hiring Sarah Sanders to be his spokesman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1E4sQzEcR8&t=7s

Iceaxe

12-15-2017, 04:58 PM

Boom!!!

Barring a major train wreck this is a done deal....

Huge tax bill heads for passage as GOP senators fall in line

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46218046&nid=151

uintafly

12-15-2017, 08:17 PM

Not quite as funny as George Carlin's version.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?tid=ss_tw-amp&__twitter_impression=true

oldno7

12-16-2017, 07:40 AM

Probably the smartest move Trump has made to date was hiring Sarah Sanders to be his spokesman.

,,,,,

Brian in SLC

12-16-2017, 08:00 PM

88560

Iceaxe

12-16-2017, 08:13 PM

I think Brian is a little confused...

https://youtu.be/OYZrhlasN6o

DirkHammergate

12-17-2017, 07:04 AM

,,,,,

So... If I called out the elephant in the room which would be she's as big as an elephant. It would trigger a tick in you that says "FAKE NEWS!"

I'm starting to garner some sympathy for Sarah but part of me says she's got to own it.

Best thing he's done to hire her?

Probably.... I can't think of anything he's done that make MAGA. He's rimming Putin and China, openly hoping John McCain dies, fleecing every mildly retarded voter that voted for him last year and golfs way more that Obama. Plus, he hates Steph Curry.

Iceaxe

12-17-2017, 08:12 AM

I can't think of anything he's done that make MAGA.

You must have missed the part where Neil Gorsuch became a member of the Supreme Court. That action alone makes Trump a great president to his supporters, anything else he accomplishes after that is just a bonus.

accadacca

12-17-2017, 09:55 AM

Putin calls to thank Trump for the CIA tip on bombings, Kremlin and White House say

Iceaxe

12-17-2017, 12:13 PM

Putin calls to thank Trump for the CIA tip on bombings, Kremlin and White House sayWTF are you trying to say?!?

That reads like a man with a mouth full of muffins talks.

accadacca

12-17-2017, 12:15 PM

WTF are you trying to say?!?

That reads like a man with a mouth full of muffins talks.

Got it from USA Today.

Putin thanks Trump for CIA tip on terrorist attacks, Kremlin and White House say

https://usat.ly/2AKumOf

Iceaxe

12-17-2017, 12:20 PM

Got it from USA Today.

Putin thanks Trump for CIA tip on terrorist attacks, Kremlin and White House say

https://usat.ly/2AKumOfIt makes sense when you follow the link... without the link it was just gibberish.

oldno7

12-17-2017, 01:16 PM

....

oldno7

12-17-2017, 01:19 PM

,,,

twotimer

12-17-2017, 06:27 PM

You must have missed the part where Neil Gorsuch became a member of the Supreme Court. That action alone makes Trump a great president to his supporters, anything else he accomplishes after that is just a bonus.Yeah, no kidding. If we're lucky, another one will kick off before Trump is out. And you'd better. believe it would be another rock ribbed conservative, perhaps even more so than Gorsuch. Screw this "moderate" shit for the liberals. Trump would throw the middle finger at them.

The Democrat party doesn't exist outside the high shaking heads of the liberal media conglomerates. What they're doing is a coup attempt...the way I see it. Crazy shit, man.

Thank God those Dem agents tripped all over their dicks with this FBI stuff...nothing is going to stick to Trump because of it. It's all corrupt as hell but thankfully they're stupid and sloppy.

Iceaxe

12-17-2017, 07:05 PM

Yeah, no kidding. If we're lucky, another one will kick off before Trump is out.

Please let it be Ginsburg.... Please let it be Ginsburg.... Please let it be Ginsburg....

Scott Card

12-17-2017, 10:51 PM

Please let it be Ginsburg.... Please let it be Ginsburg.... Please let it be Ginsburg.... Have you seen her? I think she may already be dead. Does anyone know if she has a son named Norman?

tallsteve

12-18-2017, 06:44 AM

Have you seen her? I think she may already be dead. Does anyone know if she has a son named Norman?

:roflol: I just spewed Diet Dew out of my nose.

oldno7

12-18-2017, 09:46 AM

....

oldno7

12-18-2017, 09:47 AM

,,,,

twotimer

12-18-2017, 06:04 PM

Have you seen her? I think she may already be dead. Does anyone know if she has a son named Norman?Oh yeah, she'll hang on 'till the final death rattle. She knows damn well whoever replaces her she wouldn't give the time of day to. I reckon McCain is going to beef it before she does.

Scott P

12-18-2017, 11:18 PM

Here's one of Trump's latest Tweets and I agree with him (though the 7 trillion figure seems a bit high):

88570

I hope he does get this done.

oldno7

12-19-2017, 12:48 PM

Probably.... I can't think of anything he's done that make MAGA. .

Well--You can rest assured gas prices will stay low, due to opening anwr:2thumbs:

Did reduce a couple plots of real estate in Utah:2thumbs:

Has reduced a pile of business regulations:2thumbs:

All but eliminated any isis strongholds:2thumbs:

Many upper court judges, including SCOTUS:2thumbs:

eliminated the tax penalty for no zero care:2thumbs:

far too many to list---MAGA

Sombeech

12-19-2017, 01:42 PM

Here's one of Trump's latest Tweets and I agree with him (though the 7 trillion figure seems a bit high).

At least it's not 7 Brazillion dollars

Iceaxe

12-19-2017, 03:15 PM

Here's one of Trump's latest Tweets and I agree with him (though the 7 trillion figure seems a bit high):

FWIW - The $7 trillion number comes from what has already been spent on the war on terror and what will be spent in the future. It is a realistic high end estimate but does include the cost of homeland security.

That's if you were at all interested in where the number comes from. I believe the US has spent about $2.5 trillion on the Iraq and Afghan wars combined to date. Some future costs like care for wounded veterans needs to be included.

twotimer

12-19-2017, 03:35 PM

I thought he might have counted every nickel since the Crusades.

twotimer

12-19-2017, 03:38 PM

Well--You can rest assured gas prices will stay low, due to opening anwr:2thumbs:

Did reduce a couple plots of real estate in Utah:2thumbs:

Has reduced a pile of business regulations:2thumbs:

All but eliminated any isis strongholds:2thumbs:

Many upper court judges, including SCOTUS:2thumbs:

eliminated the tax penalty for no zero care:2thumbs:

far too many to list---MAGAHe may not have the Congress flowing with him, but I'm sure he's keeping himself busy enough.

"Bring me more shit to fix", ya know?

tanngrisnir

12-19-2017, 04:40 PM

Here's one of Trump's latest Tweets and I agree with him (though the 7 trillion figure seems a bit high):

88570

I hope he does get this done.

Yeah. No mention of the people who died or were injured in the wreck. Just pure political grandstanding and bluster.

Scott P

12-19-2017, 05:45 PM

FWIW - The $7 trillion number comes from what has already been spent on the war on terror and what will be spent in the future. It is a realistic high end estimate but does include the cost of homeland security.

That's if you were at all interested in where the number comes from. I believe the US has spent about $2.5 trillion on the Iraq and Afghan wars combined to date. Some future costs like care for wounded veterans needs to be included.

To put it in perspective, 7 trillion would be approximately $55,635 per US household.

Iceaxe

12-19-2017, 05:54 PM

To put it in perspective, 7 trillion would be approximately $55,635 per US household.Yeah... but the cool thing is the world operates on the US dollar and we can always just print more money ;-)

uintafly

12-20-2017, 08:32 AM

Yeah... but the cool thing is the world operates on the US dollar and we can always just print more money ;-)

Truth. Lots of fun stuff on this one: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Iceaxe

12-20-2017, 11:19 AM

#Winning

It's a done deal: Congress wraps up massive tax package

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46220988&nid=151

Sombeech

12-20-2017, 12:31 PM

#Winning

It's a done deal: Congress wraps up massive tax package

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46220988&nid=151

"when the final vote was announced. One Democrat yelled, "Do over!""

:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

uintafly

12-20-2017, 02:20 PM

oldno7

12-20-2017, 02:21 PM

This is what MAGA looks like..

AT&T to give $1000 bonus' if Trump tax plan is signed.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/12/20/at-t-to-give-employees-1000-bonuses-after-trump-signs-tax-bill.html

oldno7

12-20-2017, 02:24 PM

devo_stevo

12-20-2017, 02:36 PM

Say what you will about Trump (Lord knows I have), but this is a massive accomplishment for Trump and the GOP. Even if you think the new tax code is a massive giveaway to the rich, you have to admit it's going to look real good to his base. Who knows what it will do long term to the national debt, but will probably spur on the economy for a few years anyway.

Based on the online calculators I can find, I will save between $8,000 and $10,000 next year. Not a windfall by any stretch but I will take it.I don't think that anyone in either party is worried about the national debt anymore. They should be.It's to the point now that it will never be paid back. It's not even possible anymore. In fact, if there is anything that is going to bring the USA to its knees, I'm betting the crippling amount of debt that we have is what does it. You can't possibly borrow money like that and get ahead in any real way.

Fortunately, the government doesn't function like the rest of us. We'd already be wearing concrete shoes at the bottom of a nearby body of water if we owed people that much money and didn't pay up. It's insane.

As far as the tax bill goes, simply lowering the corporate rate will free up more cash for hiring new people and creating jobs than anything else would. That's awesome. I'm betting tax revenue goes up because of all the extra people in the workforce because of that alone. I say bravo.

twotimer

12-20-2017, 02:45 PM

The Democrats are insane. You would think they would get on board with this thing and try to salvage what's left of their party. Oh that's right...their party doesn't exist outside the liberal mass media. Check out Savannah Guthrie freaking out on Paul Ryan this morning. For crying' out loud.

Before the election, I would have never imagined that the liberal power brokers would end up being such foolish buffoons. They won't be able to sell another Obama. What an amazing turn of events...I'm thrilled, quite frankly.

oldno7

12-20-2017, 02:53 PM

Soo nice to get rid of the likes of bicycle boy and pajama boy and have able bodied Americans running the show.

rockgremlin

12-20-2017, 03:17 PM

And not one dem signed:roflol:

Boeing,Third Bancorp,Wells Fargo--and the list grows--All compensating employees.

Can you say tax generator....

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/12/20/gop-tax-bill-at-t-boeing-among-corporations-rewarding-employees.html

Comcast to invest over $50 billion in the next five years as a result of the tax cuts...

Maybe now they can fix my shitty wi-fi...

oldno7

12-20-2017, 03:44 PM

And the hits keep coming...MAGA

Donald Trump threatens to cut aid to countries over UN Jerusalem vote

twotimer

12-20-2017, 03:52 PM

And the hits keep coming...MAGA

Donald Trump threatens to cut aid to countries over UN Jerusalem vote

Trump has got some balls. If Europe and all these other countries want to fund the Palestinian Mafia, I say let them.

All these democrat skeletons are falling out of closets. Now we've got Hezbollah cocaine and money laundering to the DNC. The laundering tied to the agents trying to get Trump.

oldno7

12-20-2017, 04:05 PM

And soon--the FBI, DOJ, Trump Dossier tied to hillary and dnc is about to implode.

Andrew McCabe forgot everything yesterday under oath and conflicted prior fbi testimony.

MAGA

Iceaxe

12-20-2017, 04:43 PM

And the hits keep coming...MAGA

Donald Trump threatens to cut aid to countries over UN Jerusalem vote

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the US got completely out of the UN. But then I would miss Nikki Haley verbally kicking the shit out of those who oppose us.

I'm still trying to decide if Nikki Haley or Ivana Trump will be our first female US President.

kiwi_outdoors

12-20-2017, 07:12 PM

just saw the Republicans fawning over the President and his fantastic leadership - what a sickening display of loathsome toadiness from elected officials..

Iceaxe

12-20-2017, 07:44 PM

just saw the Republicans fawning over the President and his fantastic leadership - what a sickening display of loathsome toadiness from elected officials..
And this is different from how the Democrats were always fawning over Obama how?!?

Enquiring minds want to know....

twotimer

12-20-2017, 08:26 PM

just saw the Republicans fawning over the President and his fantastic leadership - what a sickening display of loathsome toadiness from elected officials..Well at least nobody has put a halo over his friggin' head like Rolling Stone did with Obama.

Yeah, the ass kissing is a bit thick...but I'm actually digging' it because more of these congressmen are realizing it would be smart to get on the Trump Train.

Not only is he draining the swamp, the swamp is draining itself, too. Franken, for example. This is all good stuff, IMO.

Iceaxe

12-20-2017, 09:24 PM

Obama care is dead!

And DirkHammergate said Trump hasn't accomplished anything.

One thing I noticed almost no one is talking about is this tax cut just chopped Obama care off at the knees. With the elimination of the healthcare mandate (tax) there is no funding for Obama care.

I figured that's what the Democrats should really be bitching about instead of poor people who pay no taxes not getting a bunch of money from the tax cut.

Iceaxe

12-20-2017, 10:13 PM

Say what you will about Trump (Lord knows I have), but this is a massive accomplishment for Trump and the GOP. Even if you think the new tax code is a massive giveaway to the rich, you have to admit it's going to look real good to his base. Who knows what it will do long term to the national debt, but will probably spur on the economy for a few years anyway.

Based on the online calculators I can find, I will save between $8,000 and $10,000 next year. Not a windfall by any stretch but I will take it.
From what I can tell this tax cut is going to be great for me as all three of my business are "pass-through's" (S-Corps and LLC's), which means I get a 20% deduction on that money.

My house is also paid for, which means we just take the standard deduction, because without a mortgage itemizing is seldom in your benefit, so the doubling of the standard deduction also plays in my favor.

Keeping a lot more of my hard earned money in my pocket, the stock market booming and setting records almost daily, the economy finally igniting after being stalled for 10 years. What's not to like?

#MAGA

uintafly

12-21-2017, 06:04 AM

From what I can tell this tax cut is going to be great for me as all three of my business are "pass-through's" (S-Corps and LLC's), which means I get a 20% deduction on that money.

My house is also paid for, which means we just take the standard deduction, because without a mortgage itemizing is seldom in your benefit, so the doubling of the standard deduction also plays in my favor.

Keeping a lot more of my hard earned money in my pocket, the stock market booming and setting records almost daily, the economy finally igniting after being stalled for 10 years. What's not to like?

#MAGA

Yeah, that last minute pass through income deduction was a nice little change for you. It's gonna finally be enough to get me not being so lazy with my money and pick up some investment real estate this year. The price is high right now, but there is still so much demand for housing along the Wasatch Front that multifamily is still probably a decent investment.

This should also render a final verdict on supply side economics. Has there ever been an industrialized country with tax rates this low? If the economy is still cranking along 3-5 years from now, it will be hard to argue with the success. It's going to be an interesting few years, but like Devo Steve points out, the debt is at some point going to be an issue. Sure would be nice if we could at least stop the deficit for a few years.

I also get a chuckle out of people paying no or almost no taxes complaining that they aren't getting enough of a break on this. I see no good reason why any tax credit should ever be refundable after someone has a tax bill of $0.

Iceaxe

12-21-2017, 07:11 AM

but like Devo Steve points out, the debt is at some point going to be an issue. Sure would be nice if we could at least stop the deficit for a few years.

I used to worry about the National Debit until I began to understand it better and stopped listening to those using it as a scare tacit.

The scary part is every person in the US is responsible for $60,890 of the debit. The part they always fail to tell you when quoting that number is every person in the US also has $393,391 in assets by the same measure.

Anyhoo... if anyone is really interested in understanding what I'm talking about here is a good article from Forbes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelfoster/2017/11/08/federal-debt-is-reaching-20-trillion-and-i-dont-care/

[emoji631]

Sombeech

12-21-2017, 08:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIkgMS5hdAc

devo_stevo

12-21-2017, 08:43 AM

I used to worry about the National Debit until I began to understand it better and stopped listening to those using it as a scare tacit.

The scary part is every person in the US is responsible for $60,890 of the debit. The part they always fail to tell you when quoting that number is every person in the US also has $393,391 in assets by the same measure.

Anyhoo... if anyone is really interested in understanding what I'm talking about here is a good article from Forbes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelfoster/2017/11/08/federal-debt-is-reaching-20-trillion-and-i-dont-care/

[emoji631]While this may be true for now, there will come a day when it's very much not true. The current trends of overspending on cars, houses, and other consumer goods by Americans is going to catch up with all of us. As the national debt climbs higher and higher at an ever increasing rate, the average net worth of the average household will fall. When that ratio flips, we'll see some real problems.

Either way, it's a mess that will end in real problems for the US one of these days.

oldno7

12-21-2017, 09:33 AM

Much more MAGA

World leaders rebuking the United States at the United Nations shouldn’t expect the American people any longer to “pay for the privilege of being disrespected,” U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley warned Thursday.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nikki-haley-warns-un-americans-dont-want-to-pay-for-the-privilege-of-being-disrespected/article/2644143

oldno7

12-21-2017, 09:40 AM

I believe this goes hand in hand with what Devo says about our debt.
If we first take care of our problems first, we will be in a much better position to relinquish the debt.
If we keep spending billions on countries who hate us, it is a lose.

Time to drop the UN!
We do not need them AND they cannot survive without us.

If Trump would work towards us dropping out it would be a yugely big deal...

oldno7

12-21-2017, 09:51 AM

And now this is coming back up for a look.

Uranium one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436

Iceaxe

12-21-2017, 10:09 AM

And now this is coming back up for a look.

Uranium one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436
Obama's big claim to fame "no major scandals under my watch", is going to come around and bite him on the ass.

/bookmarked

Iceaxe

12-21-2017, 10:16 AM

While this may be true for now, there will come a day when it's very much not true. The current trends of overspending on cars, houses, and other consumer goods by Americans is going to catch up with all of us. As the national debt climbs higher and higher at an ever increasing rate, the average net worth of the average household will fall. When that ratio flips, we'll see some real problems.

Either way, it's a mess that will end in real problems for the US one of these days.I don't disagree the US debit is a major issue, I'm just saying it's not as scary as some would like you to believe.

The US debit scared the crap out of me when I was 25 because I was told my generation would eventually have to pay it. As I'm nearing retirement age I can now see we are just going to kick the can down the road and make it someone else's problem. I'll be dead and long gone when the bill eventually comes due.

Let the whiny candyass Millenials figure it out when it's their turn as they think they have the answer for everything... LMAO

nelsonccc

12-21-2017, 11:52 AM

Iceaxe

12-21-2017, 12:02 PM

Same here. Using the calculator for my family and the firm shows a major wind fall for us. We've hired 5 people in the last month and gave out $10K bonuses to most of the upper staff. #MAGAAll my employees received one full months wage for their Christmas bonus. It's been a couple years since we have been able to be so generous.

I guess I should mention to them that Trump is partially responsible for the bonus as a couple of them were big Hillary supporters.

rockgremlin

12-21-2017, 12:42 PM

...a couple of them were big Hillary supporters.

I didn't know stefan was a mechanical engineer...:haha:

nelsonccc

12-21-2017, 02:02 PM

All my employees received one full months wage for their Christmas bonus. It's been a couple years since we have been able to be so generous.

I guess I should mention to them that Trump is partially responsible for the bonus as a couple of them were big Hillary supporters.

We had a young intern that was a big Bernie supporter. She was so mad that we had Fox News playing the conference room all the time that she eventually quit. She was bright and fun to work with but completely intolerant of any ones views, politically, that were different that what she believed. Really weird. She would essentially foam at the mouth when discussing Trump and could not believe that most of us had voted for him over Hillary. She was so certain Hillary was going to win that she'd been rubbing it in our faces and had a huge Hillary party on election night with a cake and Hillary shirts. One of the sweetest moments of my life was walking into the office the next day and seeing her eyes were red from crying all night. I ordered Trump bobble head the next day and put it in the break room, she quit shortly after that.

devo_stevo

12-21-2017, 02:12 PM

I can't tell you how much I love that story. <3

oldno7

12-21-2017, 03:59 PM

Think some of this annual expense being cut, might help our debt?

rockgremlin

12-21-2017, 04:24 PM

We had a young intern that was a big Bernie supporter. She was so mad that we had Fox News playing the conference room all the time that she eventually quit. She was bright and fun to work with but completely intolerant of any ones views, politically, that were different that what she believed. Really weird. She would essentially foam at the mouth when discussing Trump and could not believe that most of us had voted for him over Hillary. She was so certain Hillary was going to win that she'd been rubbing it in our faces and had a huge Hillary party on election night with a cake and Hillary shirts. One of the sweetest moments of my life was walking into the office the next day and seeing her eyes were red from crying all night. I ordered Trump bobble head the next day and put it in the break room, she quit shortly after that.

Might be one of the best Bogley TR's ever posted to date...:2thumbs:

oldno7

12-21-2017, 04:24 PM

The unofficial list helps to counter the impression in the mainstream media and among congressional Democrats that outside the approval of Supreme Court Neil Gorsuch and passage of the tax reform bill little was done.
Administrations typically tout their achievements broadly at the end of each year, but Trump plans to list jobs added, regulations killed, foreign policy victories won, and moves to help veterans and even drug addicts.
And in a sign of support for conservatives, the White House also is highlighting achievements for the pro-life community.
Below are the 12 categories and 81 wins cited by the White House.
Jobs and the economy

Passage of the tax reform bill providing $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.
Increase of the GDP above 3 percent.
Creation of 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.
Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs.
A rebound in economic confidence to a 17-year high.
A new executive order to boost apprenticeships.
A move to boost computer sciences in Education Department programs.
Prioritizing women-owned businesses for some $500 million in SBA loans.

Killing job-stifling regulations

Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates. He beat that big and cut 16 rules and regulations for every one created, saving $8.1 billion.
Signed 15 congressional regulatory cuts.
Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of environmental regulations.
Signed an Executive Order cutting the time for infrastructure permit approvals.
Eliminated an Obama rule on streams that Trump felt unfairly targeted the coal industry.

Fair trade

Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.
Worked to bring companies back to the U.S., and companies like Toyota, Mazda, Broadcom Limited, and Foxconn announced plans to open U.S. plants.
Worked to promote the sale of U.S products abroad.
Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.
Ended Obama’s deal with Cuba.

Boosting U.S. energy dominance

The Department of Interior, which has led the way in cutting regulations, opened plans to lease 77 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico for oil and gas drilling.
Trump traveled the world to promote the sale and use of U.S. energy.
Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.
Ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to kill Obama’s Clean Power Plan.
EPA is reconsidering Obama rules on methane emissions.

Protecting the U.S. homeland

Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and announced plan to end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant to bring in dozens of family members.
Made progress to build the border wall with Mexico.
Ended the Obama-era “catch and release” of illegal immigrants.
Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.
Doubled the number of counties participating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement charged with deporting illegals.
Removed 36 percent more criminal gang members than in fiscal 2016.
Started the end of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program.
Ditto for other amnesty programs like Deferred Action for Parents of Americans.
Cracking down on some 300 sanctuary cities that defy ICE but still get federal dollars.
Added some 100 new immigration judges.

Protecting communities

Justice announced grants of $98 million to fund 802 new cops.
Justice worked with Central American nations to arrest and charge 4,000 MS-13 members.
Homeland rounded up nearly 800 MS-13 members, an 83 percent one-year increase.
Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions created new National Public Safety Partnership, a cooperative initiative with cities to reduce violent crimes.

Accountability

Trump has nominated 73 federal judges and won his nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
Ordered ethical standards including a lobbying ban.
Called for a comprehensive plan to reorganize the executive branch.
Ordered an overhaul to modernize the digital government.
Called for a full audit of the Pentagon and its spending.

Combatting opioids

First, the president declared a Nationwide Public Health Emergency on opioids.
His Council of Economic Advisors played a role in determining that overdoses are underreported by as much as 24 percent.
The Department of Health and Human Services laid out a new five-point strategy to fight the crisis.
Justice announced it was scheduling fentanyl substances as a drug class under the Controlled Substances Act.
Justice started a fraud crackdown, arresting more than 400.
The administration added $500 million to fight the crisis.
On National Drug Take Back Day, the Drug Enforcement Agency collected 456 tons.

Protecting life

In his first week, Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that blocks some $9 billion in foreign aid being used for abortions.
Worked with Congress on a bill overturning an Obama regulation that blocked states from defunding abortion providers.
Published guidance to block Obamacare money from supporting abortion.

Helping veterans

Signed the Veterans Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act to allow senior officials in the Department of Veterans Affairs to fire failing employees and establish safeguards to protect whistleblowers.
Signed the Veterans Appeals Improvement and Modernization Act.
Signed the Harry W. Colmery Veterans Educational Assistance Act, to provide support.
Signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act of 2017 to authorize $2.1 billion in additional funds for the Veterans Choice Program.
Created a VA hotline.
Had the VA launch an online “Access and Quality Tool,” providing veterans with a way to access wait time and quality of care data.
With VA Secretary Dr. David Shulkin, announced three initiatives to expand access to healthcare for veterans using telehealth technology.

Promoting peace through strength

Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.
Worked to increase defense spending.
Empowered military leaders to “seize the initiative and win,” reducing the need for a White House sign off on every mission.
Directed the revival of the National Space Council to develop space war strategies.
Elevated U.S. Cyber Command into a major warfighting command.
Withdrew from the U.N. Global Compact on Migration, which Trump saw as a threat to borders.
Imposed a travel ban on nations that lack border and anti-terrorism security.
Saw ISIS lose virtually all of its territory.
Pushed for strong action against global outlaw North Korea and its development of nuclear weapons.
Announced a new Afghanistan strategy that strengthens support for U.S. forces at war with terrorism.
NATO increased support for the war in Afghanistan.
Approved a new Iran strategy plan focused on neutralizing the country’s influence in the region.
Ordered missile strikes against a Syrian airbase used in a chemical weapons attack.
Prevented subsequent chemical attacks by announcing a plan to detect them better and warned of future strikes if they were used.
Ordered new sanctions on the dictatorship in Venezuela.

Restoring confidence in and respect for America

Trump won the release of Americans held abroad, often using his personal relationships with world leaders.
Made good on a campaign promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
Conducted a historic 12-day trip through Asia, winning new cooperative deals. On the trip, he attended three regional summits to promote American interests.
He traveled to the Middle East and Europe to build new relationships with leaders.
Traveled to Poland for the annual. G-20 meeting where he pushed again for funding of women entrepreneurs.

twotimer

12-21-2017, 04:28 PM

I love what he said in regards to blowback from the U.N. vote...

"We don't care".

oldno7

12-22-2017, 06:36 AM

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oldno7

12-22-2017, 06:37 AM

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Scott P

12-22-2017, 09:50 AM

Think some of this annual expense being cut, might help our debt?

That map/chart is very telling. Our biggest aid recipient is a tiny county about the size of San Juan County.

Here's a question: Trump has said other countries should start paying more for their national defense (and in my opinion, he's right). Should Israel be included also?

Iceaxe

12-22-2017, 02:20 PM

Everytime some dumbass tells me this tax cut is for the rich I send them this video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1E4sQzEcR8&t=7s

Iceaxe

12-22-2017, 02:46 PM

That map/chart is very telling. Our biggest aid recipient is a tiny county about the size of San Juan County.

Here's a question: Trump has said other countries should start paying more for their national defense (and in my opinion, he's right). Should Israel be included also?

Their are methods of paying your fair share other than money.....

The US supports Israel for practical reasons. The US's alliance with Israel is because of two key factors, intelligence sharing and ideological unity.

Israeli intelligence and insights into Middle Eastern affairs is unparalleled throughout the world and benefits the US in multiple ways. So we give Israel $3 billion and they give us unprecedented intelligence, or we could cut Israel off the payroll and take the intel shop in house, which would result in us paying $6 billion for shitty intel.

Also.... Israel is really an important ideological ally. They are the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and they share our societal values. Just like the US, Israel has regular and open elections with peaceful transitions of power. That is an important factor in a region bursting with failed and failing states.

:soapbox:

Scott P

12-22-2017, 04:03 PM

Israeli intelligence and insights into Middle Eastern affairs is unparalleled throughout the world and benefits the US in multiple ways.

Don't forget that they also spy on the US and often only share intelligence when it is to their own benefit.

or we could cut Israel off the payroll

Asking them to pay more of their share isn't the same as cutting them off. I phrased it in the form of a question.

They are the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and they share our societal values.

As far as "sharing our societal values", it is weird how both parties pick and choose those values that they believe other countries share with us.

For example, Republicans say that the Democrats are evil because they (overall) support abortion rights and universal healthcare. Yet, Israel has the most liberal abortion laws in the world (anyone, any age, for any reason can get a 100% government paid abortion with no questions asked) and has universal healthcare.

Meanwhile, the Democrats say the Republicans are bad for not supporting more women's rights, but in recent years they have softened their stances on Middle Eastern Countries that don't support women's rights.

It is also interesting that in the US, in polls at least, the Jewish religion (followed by Catholic and Evangelical Christian) is the most respected of all religions regardless of political affiliation (with Muslims, Atheists, and Mormons at the bottom).

The reasons for this between the parties are very different though. In general, a lot of Republicans believe that the Jews are the chosen people of God and thus hold them in high esteem for that reason. A lot of Democrats like the Jews because the Jewish vote always goes Democrat and overall a majority of US Jews hold the Republican party in low esteem.

The complexity of it among both major parties, is to say the least, interesting.

twotimer

12-22-2017, 04:13 PM

So we give Israel $3 billion and they give us unprecedented intelligence, or we could cut Israel off the payroll and take the intel shop in house, which would result in us paying $6 billion for shitty intel.

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:soapbox:KABOOM!...the only thing I expect from Trump in regards to the U.N. is that he'll trim some fat.

Iceaxe

12-22-2017, 04:19 PM

KABOOM!...the only thing I expect from Trump in regards to the U.N. is that he'll trim some fat.Yeah... somehow that dollar spent for valve received in return went right over Scott's head.

Scott P

12-22-2017, 04:40 PM

Yeah... somehow that dollar spent for valve received in return went right over Scott's head.

No, apparently my point went over your head. My post was phrased in the form of a question.

Trump has said that other countries should pay more for national defense. I asked if Israel should be included in that statement. Rest assured, I read your answer. Obviously, your answer to the question is "no, Israel shouldn't be included in Trump's statement".

As for me, I never haven't given my own answer yet. I was asking about everyone else's.

Unless they have been there, most Americans don't have a clue what Israel or the Middle East is really like.

twotimer

12-22-2017, 04:55 PM

As for me, I never haven't given my own answer yet. I was asking about everyone else's.

Unless they have been there, most Americans don't have a clue what Israel or the Middle East is really like.I've never been there, but I work of a lot of people that have.

I have hundreds of Jewish clients. There are two types, conservative and liberal. The liberal ones hate the government of Israel and want desperately to take it over. But the conservative ones, like the people that live in Israel itself, won't let that happen because they know it would spell doom. The conservative ones want those guns loaded and ready at all times.

If the liberals actually ever succeed in ruling Israel, you would see all the hate for that country disappear in the media. They already tell you you're supposed to love them.

Two factions vying for power...that's all it is.

Scott P

12-22-2017, 05:47 PM

I have hundreds of Jewish clients. There are two types, conservative and liberal.

There are American Jews who are politically conservative, but they are definitely in the minority (unless you are speaking of religiously conservative vs. non-Orthodox). Here are the results for the Jewish vote for the presidential election dating back to 1916, directly from the Jewish virtual library. 1920 is the last time the vote from American Jews went for a Republican President.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections

Only a small percentage of American Jews vote for conservatives and it has been like that for a long time.

The liberal ones hate the government of Israel and want desperately to take it over. But the conservative ones, like the people that live in Israel itself, won't let that happen because they know it would spell doom. The conservative ones want those guns loaded and ready at all times.

If the liberals actually ever succeed in ruling Israel, you would see all the hate for that country disappear in the media. They already tell you you're supposed to love them.

While it is accurate to say that many American Jews don't support Zionism, it is very inaccurate to say that the majority of American Jews (the vast majority of which are politically Liberal and religiously non-Orthodox) hate Israel or hate Israel's government.

twotimer

12-23-2017, 04:47 AM

twotimer

12-23-2017, 05:06 AM

Yeah... somehow that dollar spent for valve received in return went right over Scott's head.So many of them have such concern for the humanity of it all that they're blinded by the barbarians at the gate.

They want it all..."Why can't we get along" they say. Well, the other guys wanna slit you throats and rape your daughters, that's why.

Scott P

12-23-2017, 10:28 AM

While it is accurate to say that many American Jews don't support Zionism, it is very inaccurate to say that the majority of American Jews (the vast majority of which are politically Liberal and religiously non-Orthodox) hate Israel or hate Israel's government.

I never mentioned a "majority" of anything.

Here is what you said (exact quote):

The liberal ones hate the government of Israel and want desperately to take it over.

The vast majority of American Jews are liberal. It's not even a close call. This cannot be argued. So yes, your comment did (incorrectly) say that the majority of American Jews hate the government of Israel.

So many of them have such concern for the humanity of it all that they're blinded by the barbarians at the gate (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.offeredby.net%2Fsilver%2Frdm .cfm%3Ftrkid%3D23851S1411499950&mid=185200&cat_id=100001162&atom=100001165&prod_id=&oid=7961079391&pos=1&b_id=18&bid_type=8&bamt=cfbf9532e1e82faa&cobrand=1&ppr=a45a43eae781c614&af_sid=87&mpid=NF0A356JXDCM1&brandId=270544&keyword=gate&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=10&af_creative_id=2975&af_id=615103&af_placement_id=1).

They want it all..."Why can't we get along" they say. Well, the other guys wanna slit you throats and rape your daughters, that's why.

The reality is that plenty of people want to kill and rape others. Since I have been stabbed and my sister was raped (multiple times) when I was there, it should be obvious that I am not oblivious to this. Still to think that 100% of people living in one region or another are bad or good is true naivety. Islamic terrorism is currently the biggest threat to world peace.

I also know my history and will bet anyone here that I will beat them in a history or geography test (of your choosing). Any takers?

Historically, it has been mostly (but not always) the Republicans who have supported the Islamic terrorists groups, especially under Operation Cyclone. Before you say (probably after having to look it up) that Carter was the one that started Operation Cyclone, you would be right. It was however Reagan and Bush Sr. (whom I still respect despite his gross error of supporting Operation Cyclone) that did the majority (but not all of) of the arming and supporting of the terrorists groups who's predecessors still have terrorism roots today.

Does this mean that everyone should hate Republicans or Democrats and that it's all (which ever party you don't like)'s fault? No, of course not. It does mean that we should try and learn from our mistakes though.

It is naive to ignore history, especially while trying to point the finger and claim that things are going over other's heads.

Here are some indisputable historical facts that many now days have forgotten, but that should be studied in order to help understand the history of what has happened and how it affects the present (I'm missing a lot here; this isn't a cut and paste job, but just some important things I can think of off the top of my head). Intentionally, I'm not going to tie everything together here, because you guys should really study up on your history.

More Recent History

Some of the reasons for creating the modern state of Israel were founded on antisemitism. After WWII, a majority of Jews wanted to relocate to the United States and the UK. They were denied and told to go to Israel.

The lands composing the State of Israel were already populated at the time of the creation and the people displaces have roots dating back thousands of years.

Part of the reason Israel was founded is because several western nations feared terrorism from hard line Jewish groups, such as Irgun (if you aren't familiar with the King David Hotel bombing, for example, look it up). At the time, hard-line Jewish groups were targeting both Arab and western interest, especially the UK (not that that UK wasn't poking it's nose in everything else at the time).

The original state of Israel was founded with the intention of making it a socialist state. It was only later, but a somewhat quickly (in historic terms) transition to capitalism.

Palestinians are Semitic by genetics and are considered to be second-class Muslims by most Islamic countries because of this and their persevered historical tenancy towards historical heresy and because of their Jewish heritage. Most Palestinians are descendants of Jews who happened to stay behind during various conquest.

Some Islamic countries recognized and supported Israel, the two major players being Turkey and Iran.

When modern Israel became a nation, Israel viewed Iran as it's strongest (or at least potentially most faithful) ally. Iran was originally against the Palestine Partisan Plan, because they (accurately) predicted that it would increase violence and lead to many generations of fighting, but they were very quick to recognize and ally with Israel as soon as it was created. It was the US (CIA) and the UK who really ****ed this up in 1953 with the coup d'etat that eventually led to the Iranian revolution of 1979. The major motivation behind the coup d'etat was over oil.

The reason most American Jews are Democrat isn't because they hate Israel. Anyone who thinks so really need to study up on this.

Some Points that Should be Remembered about Modern Israel

If it weren't for religion, most people in the region would probably want to be occupied by Israel. The standard of living in Israel is much higher than in rest of the surrounding region. They enjoy more freedom too. If given the choice, I'd much rather live in Israel than anywhere else in the region.

Many Arabs want to live in Israel and either migrate there illegally or attempt to.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians and Israelis live in peace with one another. Tens of thousands of Palestinians actually cross the border every day to work in Israel and exit the country at day's end. Many Palestinians and Israelis are friends with each other. It is the ones that aren't that are the problem.

While some people picturing Israel may think of things like praying at the Wailing Wall, overall, Israel is a non-religious country. A lot of people there are Jewish by culture, not by religion. At least half of Israeli Jews identify as hilony.

Preaching Christianity in Israel is punishable by prison time.

Israel has had human rights violations, but overall is a humanitarian country. Israel has taken in a lot of people in need, including from famine.

In recent times, Netanyahu has been very unpopular in in Israel, though his approval has improves a little.

More History Pre-Creation of Modern Israel

Most of the European Jews or former European Jews left the Israel region in the 300's AD. Another large number of them left in the 600's when the Byzantine Empire banned Judaism in Jerusalem. The ban was lifted for a short time period when the Arabs conquered Palestine. Christianity was the primary religion in the region until Islam took over.

The people who stayed through the various Arab and Christian conquest became the Syrians, Lebanese, and Palestinians. They are currently Arabs by culture, but not by blood lines.

Many Jews were massacred in Europe during the Black Death of the 1300's because the Jews were blamed for causing it. Many Christians thought that the Jews were poisoning water wells while others simply thought that the Black Death was a punishment from God and that massacring the Jews would please God. Pope Clement VI stepped in to protect the Jews and said that anyone who blamed the Jews for the Black Death was under the influence of the devil. A lot of Jews fled to Poland since Poland was tolerant of the Jews. Other than during the Partitions of Poland in the late 1700's, things went well until the Nazi invasion of Poland in WWII. Most of us know the history of what happened then.

twotimer

12-23-2017, 11:23 AM

Yikes!

Iceaxe

12-23-2017, 01:52 PM

I also know my history and will bet anyone here that I will beat them in a history or geography test (of your choosing). Any takers?

Yeah... I'll play, my knowledge of military history is pretty sharp.

But lets do a quick recap before we begin...

You (@Scott P) asked the simple question "Trump has said other countries should start paying more for their national defense (and in my opinion, he's right). Should Israel be included also?"

To which I replied, "There are methods of paying your fair share other than money....." and pointed out that the current arrangement actually benefits the US and provides the US a better product at a cheaper price than if we purchased it elsewhere or used other methods.

At which point you (@Scott P) went into a rant filled with liberal opinions mixed with facts, which were explained from the liberal point of view.

I believe that brings us up-to-date, did I miss anything?

So let me take over the narrative for a moment, In 1948 Israel came to exist for a bunch of reasons and by 1967 had evolved into the country we now all know.

In 1967 Israel was attacked by Egypt supported by Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, PLO, Sudan and Tunisia. The Egyptian coalition got their ass kicked in 6 day, which is why it's called the 6 Day War. Calling the war an major ass kicking is probably an understatement as the Israeli's lost less then 1000 soldiers and the Egyptian coalition lost over 20,000 soldiers and massive amounts of territory. The war should really have been called The 6 Day Ass Kicking.

During the 6 day ass kicking Israel captures the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. After the ass kicking just about everyone except Israel and the US wants to pretend the 6 Day War never happened and thinks Israel should just return the territory won as if the attack on Israel was just a big joke.....

But I can tell you right now it is NEVER going to happen....

By 1982 Israel had withdrawn from the Sinai Peninsula for various reasons. But Israel still controls the other areas captured and is not giving them back except by force no matter what the UN says or how many resolutions the UN passes or where the US Embassy is located....

At this point you are welcome to share your liberal opinion of why Israel should give back control of the captured areas, why the US should not locate their embassy in the Israeli capital, and why the US should not support Israel.....

:popcorn:

accadacca

12-23-2017, 05:41 PM

Gag gift for my father in law...

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Scott P

12-24-2017, 12:21 AM

Yeah... I'll play, my knowledge of military history is pretty sharp.

That's good and I'll take your challenge.

At which point you (@Scott P) went into a rant filled with liberal opinions mixed with facts, which were explained from the liberal point of view.

There was no rant, just some points to ponder. If there are mistakes, then kindly point them out. As far as I know (and I know a lot about history), everything I said was correct. Also, despite your claim of "liberal opinions", liberals and conservatives are probably equally ignorant when it comes to world history.

So let me take over the narrative for a moment, In 1948 Israel came to exist for a bunch of reasons and by 1967 had evolved into the country we now all know.

The first part of the sentence is correct, but Israel has had many changes since 1967. For example, it is becoming less religious and more secular. I assume you mean borders though.

In 1967 Israel was attacked by Egypt supported by Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, PLO, Sudan and Tunisia

Israel struck first as a preemptive self defense strike. Egypt was however in violation of their promise to keep the Straights of Teran open and had moved many of its military forces to the Israeli border.

The Egyptian coalition got their ass kicked in 6 day, which is why it's called the 6 Day War. Calling the war an major ass kicking is probably an understatement as the Israeli's lost less then 1000 soldiers and the Egyptian coalition lost over 20,000 soldiers and massive amounts of territory. The war should really have been called The 6 Day Ass Kicking.

During the 6 day ass kicking Israel captures the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. After the ass kicking just about everyone except Israel and the US wants to pretend the 6 Day War never happened and thinks Israel should just return the territory won as if the attack on Israel was just a big joke.....

But I can tell you right now it is NEVER going to happen....

By 1982 Israel had withdrawn from the Sinai Peninsula for various reasons. But Israel still controls the other areas captured and is not giving them back except by force no matter what the UN says or how many resolutions the UN passes or where the US Embassy is located....

All of the above is true.

At this point you are welcome to share your liberal opinion of why Israel should give back control of the captured areas, why the US should not locate their embassy in the Israeli capital, and why the US should not support Israel.....

I might be inclined to share that opinion if it were my opinion, but it is not, other than perhaps the worry that relocating the embassy would put our staff in danger because it is in a less secure location. You just assume that the above is my opinion. I haven't really expressed mine yet, but here it is.

I also think that it would be very dangerous for the entire region if the US didn't support Israel. If Israel lost US support, it is my belief that there would be a big possibility that they would be attacked. If Israel were attacked and felt that they could be annihilated, then there is a good change that they will use their nukes in defense or retaliation. I'm guessing that we both believe (correct me if wrong) that Israel has nukes, regardless if it hasn't been "officially declared". The US support of Israel is probably one of the main reasons that this hasn't happened yet.

I do not view Israel as perfect, but I do believe in their right to exists. Even if someone believed that the creation of modern Israel is wrong, almost everyone involved in that choice is dead and most people living in Israel were born there. It should be time to let the past die. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

So, yes, the US should support Israel. We should hold it in equal regard, but not above our other important allies.

My main reason for bringing up some history points in that Americans in general should really know their history better (it sounds like you do know yours pretty well). There are a lot of misconceptions among Americans as to how Israel, the Middle East, and other countries are in general. To be fair, there is a lot of misconception of what the US is like from other countries as well. I have been to 50 countries and you wouldn't believe some of the weird questions about the US that we have been asked.

My only real disagreement about what was said was the comments about liberal Jews (which are the majority of American Jews) hating Israel's government. That statement holds no truth as least with most American Jews. While it could make an interesting thread about why American Jews are liberal and vote democrat, that's probably beyond the scope of a thread on Trump. I'll start the thread after the Christmas holidays if people really are interested in such discussion.

Anyway, we should definitely take on each others challenge of a history contest. If possible, geography as well. Your terms; however you want to do it.

It would be good if Americans knew more about history and geography. To me they are much more important than they are given credit for. Most of the mistakes the US has made have been made in the past.

If you want to know the truth, the only thing you really offend me with is the constant referral of me as a liberal. In recent years I almost always side with the liberals on environmental and public land issues, often on foreign policy, much of the time on education, and sometimes health care, but I am far from being a true liberal. I am more liberal than you on many issues, but there is plenty I disagree with liberals (such as free welfare; with rare exceptions, I don't think it should be free-it should be worked for).

Although I share several viewpoints with liberals and some with conservatives, but I really do resent being called either. I have said many times that both parties are becoming more extreme and that partisanship is slowly destroying this country. I can also say that countries that are either too far left or too far right/conservative are not places I would want to live. I would assume that most here would (even if reluctantly) agree, even if they aren't on the same political spectrum.