Assault Weapons?

[Sombeech]

"Utah has a high suicide rate. If we want to prevent suicides in Utah, perform background checks," Holyoak said.

Wow, pretty strong promise, can it be backed up?

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[accadacca]

Great video showing what could happen.

[Brian in SLC]

Wonder what the date of the video is?

Seems amazing to me that in 2010/2011 58 people were killed by guns in homicides. Total. .1 per 100k.

Interesting to consider the British situation. Not sure its apples to apples for us here in the colonies...

From the wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom

A Home Office study published in 2007 reported that gun crime in England and Wales remained a relatively rare event. Firearms (including air guns) were used in 21,521 recorded crimes.

In the year Apr 2010 to Mar 2011 there were 11,227 recorded offences involving firearms, broken down as follows.
By weapon type:

• Long-barrelled shotgun = 406
• Sawn-off shotgun = 202
• Handgun = 3,105
• Rifle = 74
• Imitation firearm = 1,610
• Unidentified firearm = 957
• Other firearm = 670
• Air weapons = 4,203

Only those items proven to be "imitations" (which includes BB/soft air types) or air weapons are classed as such, otherwise they are placed by default in the main "live" categories, e.g. an imitation pistol not proven to be such would be counted as a live "handgun." "Other firearm" includes CS gas (223 crimes), pepper spray (118), and stun guns (149).
By crime type:

• Violence against the person:

• Homicide = 60
• Attempted murder/GBH with intent = 757
• Other = 3,317 (1,212 of which involved imitations)

• Robbery = 2,965
• Burglary = 151
• Criminal damage = 3,287 (2,916 of which involved air weapons)
• Other = 690^[80]

[Brian in SLC]

[Byron]

OMG!!! This video is AWESOME!!!! Mow 'em down!

[2065toyota]

This attachment I cannot 100% verify and am not willing to spend much time. If it is wrong or offends anybody, then disregard it

[Brian in SLC]

Another fake founding fathers quote...heavy sigh...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/opinio...-gun-quotation

http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...bertyquotation

[2065toyota]

Another fake founding fathers quote...heavy sigh...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/opinio...-gun-quotation

http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...bertyquotation

So you are using CNN and Monticello.org to refute a quote. I can't argue 100% that its a true statement from Jefferson, but if I was going to use something I would at least use Wikipedia. There you have at least a 50/50 chance of fact

[2065toyota]

Henry Waxman Facts:

HR 4296 - Regulation of Semi-Automatic Assault Weapons - Key Vote

National Key Votes

Henry Waxman voted Yea (Passage) on this legislation.
Read recent statements Henry Waxman made in this general time period.


HR 6842 - Repealing Portions of the D.C. Firearm Ban - Key Vote

National Key Votes

Henry Waxman voted Nay (Passage) on this legislation.
Read recent statements Henry Waxman made in this general time period.








S 397 - Firearms Manufacturers Protection Bill - Key Vote

National Key Votes

Henry Waxman voted Nay (Passage) on this legislation.
Read recent statements Henry Waxman made in this general time period.


HR 424 - Minimum Sentences for Gun Crimes - Key Vote

National Key Votes

Henry Waxman voted Nay (Passage) on this legislation.
Read recent statements Henry Waxman made in this general time period.

[Brian in SLC]

So you are using CNN and Monticello.org to refute a quote. I can't argue 100% that its a true statement from Jefferson, but if I was going to use something I would at least use Wikipedia. There you have at least a 50/50 chance of fact

100%? My bet is you can't argue it at all.

The "fact" that Monticello has a page refuting it doesn't deter you from thinking its a real quote? Wow.

[2065toyota]

[ratagonia]

So you are using CNN and Monticello.org to refute a quote. I can't argue 100% that its a true statement from Jefferson, but if I was going to use something I would at least use Wikipedia. There you have at least a 50/50 chance of fact

Monticello.org - good source. Reputable. Lays out the argument well, has footnotes to original sources. Hard to do better than that.

Tom

[2065toyota]

I got back involved in this thread in a moment of weakness. Monticello could be, I don't know. It was hard to past the CNN referral though

[Rob L]

Why are they called "assault" weapons unless they are intended to be used to assault people?

[Iceaxe]

Why are they called "assault" weapons unless they are intended to be used to assault people?

If you are asking a serious question... An "Assault Weapon" is a military weapon that is not easily avaiable to the American public... the term is applied by pro gun control groups to numerous semi-auto (hunting and sporting) rifles sold in the US to try and inflect fear and terror into those who are ignorant on the subject.

[Brian in SLC]

So...assault weapon?



Says, "restricted military/government law enforcement/export use only". But, legally ownable by a civilian, yes? Its a Colt LE6920.

And, the clones of the above share how many interchangeable parts? 100%?

Are these, then, by your definition, "assault rifles"? If not, then, what's the diff?

Military version of the above is an M4? Has the same except, what, a couple parts (shorter barrel, auto sear)? Photo below?



Civilian version:



If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is it still only a kitten?

Ha ha.

[2065toyota]

The point really is, that even if it is a duck. How is banning them going to serve any purpose when these types of firearms really aren't even the problem?

[Brian in SLC]

The point really is, that even if it is a duck. How is banning them going to serve any purpose when these types of firearms really aren't even the problem?

Ahh..."the problem". Mass shootings? Which is the only demographic of homicide by firearm that hasn't seen a fairly constant decline over the last couple of decades?

Unfortunately, they kinda are "a" problem. Maybe not "the" problem.

[Iceaxe]

Says, "restricted military/government law enforcement/export use only". But, legally ownable by a civilian, yes? Its a Colt LE6920.

That was stamped on all outlawed "assault rifles" during the last ban. The firearms covered by that ban were pretty arbitrary, but you already know that.

The historical military definition of an assault rifle has always included full auto capabilities.

The Ford or Chevy you drive to work is not a NASCAR racer, even if it passes your walks and quacks test...

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3