Assault Weapons?

[accadacca]

Dude is just batshit crazy...

[Brian in SLC]

As a ~10 year veteran of the US Army, and ardent gun owner, I'm an tired and sickened by this conversation. I think its clear there was no AR-15 used in CT; in fact, I'm not even positive the shootings occurred but instead were a drill by Homeland Security (plenty of YouTube videos to represent this case).

I think its clear that a Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle was used and that the shootings really did occur. Really.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...188031071.html

Asshats and etadik, eh?

Hmmm.

[Sombeech]

I think its clear that a Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle was used and that the shootings really did occur. Really.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...188031071.html

Asshats and etadik, eh?

Hmmm.

This article notes what was seized, not necessarily how either weapon was used.

[Iceaxe]

I think its clear that a Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle was used and that the shootings really did occur. Really.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...188031071.html

Asshats and etadik, eh?

Hmmm.

All I have to say is if you believe anything about Sandy Hooks that has been released by law enforcement, government or media to date you are an idiot.

After Columbine it took the FBI 10 years to get the truth of what happened and wade through all the lies, misinformation and cover ups that occurred. To this day most people have no clue what really happened at Columbine and the amount of deceit that occurred, but only know the false stories that were spread immediately after the massacre.

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

[accadacca]

SLC police chief talks gun control in Washington
By Dave CawleyJanuary 28th, 2013 @ 9:15pm



SALT LAKE CITY -- Salt Lake City's police chief sees easy access to firearms as one of the primary factors in the rash of mass shootings that have taken place across the United States in recent years and is supportive of proposed restrictions.

Chief Chris Burbank joined fellow law enforcement officials in addressing the topic with President Barack Obama Monday at the White House. Burbank serves as vice president for the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association and is in Washington, D.C. for the group's annual winter conference. He received the invitation only a short time before the meeting.

"It involved the leadership of the Major Cities Chiefs," Burbank said. "Unfortunately there were many people in the room who had experienced some violence in their own city."

That included the police chiefs from Newtown, Conn.; Aurora, Colo.; Oak Creek, Wis.; and Tucson, Ariz. among others.

"Kind of an infamous group, unfortunately," Burbank said. "Salt Lake City of course we had our own Trolley Square incident and then I honestly believe that we had another potential incident that because of a circumstance we were able to resolve and that was the shooter at one of our downtown hotels."

That is in reference to an Aug. 27, 2010 shootout between an AWOL soldier and Salt Lake City police officers outside the Grand America Hotel. The soldier, 28-year-old Brandon S. Barrett, arrived at the hotel in fatigues and body armor, carrying a .223-caliber assault rifle, two handguns and nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

Hotel security denied him access to the building's upper levels. Officer Uppsen Downs then confronted Barrett across the street from the hotel, shooting and killing him.

While Barrett was a military member with firearms training, Burbank said he believes the public's access to such weapons is part of the larger problem.

"We need to do something to stem the violence, and part of that is access to firearms," he said. "I am not here to say, nor is any chief in the country, that firearms are completely to blame for it but it is certainly part of the problem."

President Obama offered weight to the perspective of law enforcement officials at the outset of the meeting, saying they are "where the rubber hits the road" when it comes to gun violence. He also used the opportunity to push for congressional action on universal background checks for gun buyers and a renewed ban on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

Salt Lake City's chief sees that as a valid approach.

"I agree with the president from his position that if there is some way that we can save even one life or that we can prevent a tragedy like this from occurring then we certainly owe it to the nation to look at that and find out if that is an avenue that we need to take," Burbank said.

Also present at the meeting were leaders of the Major County Sheriffs' Association, along with Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Burbank said he did not come away from the meeting with the sense that any of the federal officials are interested in seizing weapons from the hands of law-abiding gun owners.

"There's not a piece of legislation that I've seen that said anyone, federal government or otherwise, is going to come and take firearms away," he said. "It all talks about future restrictions on access."

Both Burbank and Obama pointed out that gun violence is not only restricted to the so-called "active shooter" attempting to kill many people at once in a crowded area. Burbank, for his part, said too many people die each day in shootings.

"There needs to be some responsibility of not only police chiefs and sheriffs, but of politicians and the public in general needs to stand up and say

[oldno7]

Father of Sandy Hook child, killed in massacre.

[oldno7]

This conversation is going on and the FBI director isn't sure if it's o.k. to kill Americans on US soil.

[oldno7]

And so--Now this administration has a problem with another Amendment -- VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

[Iceaxe]

[Brian in SLC]

All I have to say is if you believe anything about Sandy Hooks that has been released by law enforcement, government or media to date you are an idiot.

Yeah, there's a gob of misinformation out there, quite confusing. I'm betting the source for some or most of it is self serving, though.

Note that CT updated the guns seized to help with any confusion:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

Clear as mud.

[Iceaxe]

Yeah, there's a gob of misinformation out there, quite confusing. I'm betting the source for some or most of it is self serving, though.

Talk about self-serving and meeting an agenda...

"Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine"

Is a quote from the report you linked. I have never heard professional law enforcement or military use the term "high capacity" when talking among their peers, it would be simply "30 round magazine". As we all know "high capacity" is a term coined by the pro gun control crowd as a scare tactic. I'll bet dollars to donuts the official report reads.

"Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with 30 round magazine"

There is no need to toss in the scary "high capicity" term among professionals.

YMMV

[Brian in SLC]

The misinformation and disinformation machine is amazing. On both sides.

Yeah, "high capacity" and "30 rounds" is pretty redundant. And, its a common and fairly standard magazine size.

I dunno. Watching the coronor give report was pretty gutteral. I'm not sure how any rational and/or reasonable person could see that and think this whole thing was faked.

Be interesting to track down the sources of all these conflicting stories. The "he didn't use a Bushmaster" story has a bunch of traction. I wonder where that comes from? Does anyone have a vettable source?

[Iceaxe]

Be interesting to track down the sources of all these conflicting stories. The "he didn't use a Bushmaster" story has a bunch of traction. I wonder where that comes from? Does anyone have a vettable source?

I have no doubt the shooter had a Bushmaster (or a Bushmaster look-a-like).... my question from the conflicting stories would be "was the Bushmaster actually used or fired"?

Brian, you should read the book Columbine... one of the interesting parts of the book was the FBI agent who wrote the book tracked down the source of the miss-informationm and conflicts. I promise the book will not be a waste of your time and will answer some of the questions you have about Sandy Hooks.

[Brian in SLC]

I I promise the book will not be a waste of your time and will answer some of the questions you have about Sandy Hooks.

Actually, would probably raise more questions than answers!

Yeah, everyone I've talked to who read it said it was worthy. I'm in a book club (yeah, makes my man card vibrate a bit) and in the middle of Wind Sand and Stars right now (my pick), with several other reads I don't have time for stackin' up. Ugh.

[Iceaxe]

I have the audiobook version of Columbine in MP3 format if anyone wants to borrow my copy.

[rockgremlin]

Let me get this straight.... you guys walk around with a small hand-held devise capable of access all the worlds knowledge.... and you use this devise ramble on about guns?

[Iceaxe]

Let me get this straight.... you guys walk around with a small hand-held devise capable of access all the worlds knowledge.... and you use this devise to defend the US constitution.

Fixed that for you!

You're welcome.


Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

[Brian in SLC]

Rock to the G, that is one great avatar!

I can't get the standard redneck voice from Southpark out of my head..."Obama's gunna take our guuuuuns."

[Iceaxe]

I have now received letters back from all my congessmen. They were all similar to the one posted below. I also wrote the Utah Governer, Obama and Biden... none of them have responded to my letters yet.

January 30, 2013

Dear Mr. Burrows,

Thank you for contacting me about your Second Amendment rights. I am an advocate of constitutional rights, and value the time you took to express your thoughts.

I support the Second Amendment. As a proud member of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus, I will do all in my power to ensure that the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens are not infringed. As a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder myself, I value my right to bear arms, but also my duty to bear them responsibly.

It is deeply saddening when senseless acts of violence occur. These acts of violence, as terrible as they are, should not be used as justification to revoke rights outlined in the United States Constitution, and upheld and preserved by the highest court in the land.

Again, thank you again for contacting my office. Please feel free to sign up for e-updates by visiting www.chaffetz.house.gov. You may also follow me on Twitter @JasonInTheHouse.

Sincerely,
Jason Chaffetz
Member of Congress

[Iceaxe]

Bill Clinton warned the Democratic Party they would be making a big mistake to go after firearms. In a recent speech he told the party they would be losing a large number of seats at the mid-term elections if they didn't back off. This is the same Bill Clinton who signed the original Assault weapons ban and watched his party lose the House and Senate at the mid-term election.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo saw a double-digit drop in his approval rating after an aggressive push for new gun control laws, a sign of potential trouble ahead if Cuomo opts to make a push for the White House in 2016. Cuomo’s approval rating fell to 59 percent from an all-time high of 74 percent in the survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University.

More on Cuomo here: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...n-control-push