Assault Weapons?

[Iceaxe]

And heres the level of campaigning the brady bunch has gone to.

So it's better to be raped than to shot the SOB trying to rape you?!?

I don't think so....

Anyhoo... that's what I took away from that message. Some people are just a waste of good air and the planet is a better place without them. YMMV

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[Brian in SLC]

Anyhoo... that's what I took away from that message. Some people are just a waste of good air and the planet is a better place without them. YMMV

What I took away from it was yet more propaganda that's not true. That poster did NOT come from the Brady Campaign.

Where the hell you guys did up this crap from, really? Its not just mildy offensive to spread lies like this. Ignorance and stupidity. Vet your sources!

When the truth isn't enough to support an arguement, search the 'net for any ol' thing I suppose.

[Iceaxe]

Yes... I understood the joke... I was just commenting on the picture/ad/whatever....

[Iceaxe]

Alright.... I'm outta this thread. If ya'll want my guns, come and get'em... I'll be handing them over bullets first.

One Man's nightmare is anther man's fantasy.....

[rockgremlin]

I'm utterly flabbergasted this thread is 15 pages and counting. Any bets on where it'll end?

I'm betting on pg. 28 or thereabouts...

[Bootboy]

I would beg to differ:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-12-2...ion-car-stereo

Disgusting. I'd like to shoot each of them in the face personally.

[Byron]

Yeah, I'm done with this thread too...there just aren't enough sissies to make it interesting.

[Sandstone Addiction]

A few simple phone calls from you can make a big difference (although an email is better)...


Help Stop the Federal Semi-Auto Gun Ban and Magazine Ban




All gun owners need to immediately contact their Congressmen and tell them specifically to:



Vote against any renewal of the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”


Vote against any renewal of the so-called “high capacity magazine” ban.


Vote against any new federal gun control.




Call and e-mail the entire Utah Congressional delegation. Their contact information is listed below.




The USSC does not ask for your help unless it is absolutely necessary. We do not bug you to contact legislators based upon every Internet rumor or anti-gun bill that has no chance of passing.


This time the threat is real, it is big, and it is likely to become law. The anti-gunners are exploiting the Newtown mass murder to pass a so-called “assault weapon” ban. This ban is not like the 1994 “assault weapon” ban; it is worse. The new bill being prepared by Dianne Feinstein lists over 100 guns by name and defines an assault weapon as basically any semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine.


To understand the anti-gunners logic consider the Glock 17. This gun, which was not banned in 1994, is functionally similar to the TEC-9 that was banned. The only difference between the two guns is the TEC-9 is scary looking because it has the appearance of a fully automatic machine gun, which it is not. The anti-gun fanatics are now arguing that since both guns are functionally similar both should be banned under the new bill.


The 1994 law banned scary looking semi-automatic guns, the new law will ban all semi-automatic guns that accept detachable magazines. That means everything from your 1911 to Ruger 10/22 and M1 Carbine will be labeled an assault weapon and banned.


This bill will require owners of existing weapons to register them with the ATF as if they were machine guns. This would entail a $200.00 registration fee per gun and other onerous requirements.


The bill being proposed would also label as “high capacity” all standard capacity magazines that hold over ten rounds. Such magazines would be banned.


Many pro-gun NRA “A” rated Senators such as Mark Warner of Virginia and Joe Manchin of West Virginia already appear to be wavering. In the House of Representatives over 122 Republicans are ready to sign on to the ban.


You can have a huge impact protecting your gun rights. All of Utah’s Congressional delegation has been solidly pro-gun but they will be coming under intense pressure from an electorate that watches Piers Morgan on CNN and believes that these modern sporting weapons are fully automatic machine guns designed to mow down children.


They need to hear from you as soon as possible. Send and e-mail and phone each legislator. Put their phone numbers in your cell phone contact list and call them once a week until the gun ban bill comes up for vote early next year. Pass along this e-mail to every gun owner you know.


Remember these gentlemen have all been solid gun supporters. Be polite and simply ask them to oppose the renewal of the assault weapons ban, the high capacity magazine ban, and any new federal gun control.


We do not have e-mail addresses for the Utah Congressional delegation but you can click on the links to go to their web page where you can e-mail them.


Note that Chris Stewart takes office on January 3rd, 2013 and does not yet have an office phone. The e-mail link is to his campaign web site. You can also post to his Facebook page.




Senator Orrin Hatch
202-224-5251
801-524-4380
E-mail form http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/i...fm/email-orrin






Senator Mike Lee
202-224-5444
801-524-5933
E-mail form http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/ind...-lee?p=contact




To find out what house district you live in go to: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/




1st Congressional District
Representative Rob Bishop
202-225-0453
E-mail form http://robbishop.house.gov/contact/zipauth.htm


2nd Congressional District
Representative Chris Stewart
http://www.chrisstewartforcongress.com/contact/




3rd Congressional District
Representative Jason Chaffetz
202-225-7751
801-851-2500
E-mail form https://chaffetz.house.gov/contact-me/email-me




4th Congressional District
Representative Jim Matheson
202-225-3011
801-486-1236
E-mail form https://mathesonforms.house.gov/contact-form









Utah Shooting Sports Council
PO Box 17561
Salt Lake City, UT 84117

[PunchKing]

I have used http://www.congress.org/news/ to contact my representatives both at the national and state level, top right of the page is a space to contact lawmakers. I assume that the message gets to them but since you rarely every see any feedback from an elected official I can't say it as definite.

[accadacca]

You are all pussies.

[accadacca]

[Sombeech]

[accadacca]

Jesse Ventura Pwned Piers Morgan in Gun Control Debate Live on CNN

[Brian in SLC]

Hipster stat dude seems to be trying to re-direct the conversation away from homicide rates by firearms and instead on violent crime rates. A bit apples to oranges methinks.

Another stat not covered is mass shootings by firearms.

Not that his points aren't valid. But, with regard to the conversation about especially school shootings, it doesn't really address that issue.

I've not been to the UK, but, my bet is if you get in a scrap in a pub there, someone will be a victim of violent crime. Here? Chances are you'll be shot. Folks don't really duke it out much anymore. They get a gun. Societal differences.

[accadacca]

[hank moon]

Folks don't really duke it out much anymore. They get a gun. Societal differences.

Americans can't stand to "lose," ya know...

[Sombeech]

Maybe @Rob L can chime in on this one, but I've also been to a few British Pubs, not that this gives me any more right to make claims than google, but there can be some pretty nasty brawls. And a lot of the time it's not just 1 on 1. The pubs are more like community gathering places where most visitors know most of the others. So when a brawl breaks out, there is a tendency to involve 80% of the guests. And yes, guns occasionally make their appearance.

But here in the states there are MANY times where a gun is not involved in the bar fight. I would disagree with your point that chances are you'll be shot. It's still the small minority. How many guns have been fired inside the bar?

And from those statistics.... how many ASSAULT RIFLES have been fired inside the bar?

Isn't it interesting how the school shooting sparked the debate about how AR-15 rifles are so easily accessible, but it turns out that weapon wasn't used at all? And that has not slowed down the debate at all.

[Rob L]

Maybe @Rob L can chime in on this one, but I've also been to a few British Pubs, not that this gives me any more right to make claims than google, but there can be some pretty nasty brawls. </snip>

Well you must have been to ones that I don't frequent !!! All very genteel. Where were you?

[ratagonia]

Hipster stat dude seems to be trying to re-direct the conversation away from homicide rates by firearms and instead on violent crime rates. A bit apples to oranges methinks.

Another stat not covered is mass shootings by firearms.

Not that his points aren't valid. But, with regard to the conversation about especially school shootings, it doesn't really address that issue.

I've not been to the UK, but, my bet is if you get in a scrap in a pub there, someone will be a victim of violent crime. Here? Chances are you'll be shot. Folks don't really duke it out much anymore. They get a gun. Societal differences.

If anything, the takeaway from the UK comparison (for me) was that criminals are a lot less effective there.

Very difficult to compare "violent crimes" rate country to country, as small changes in how things are classified can make a big difference. But "murder" rates are more straightforward. Hipster Dude seems to ignore that UK murder rate is 1/4 of US murder rate. A lot of stuff in the USA ends up with death that in other countries ends up with a hospital visit. Not only bar fights, but domestic violence and suicides too.

T

[Iceaxe]

Easy enough to compare the US to the UK.... just use the official government numbers from both and not the propaganda numbers presented by both the pro and anti gun groups....

It's also easy enough to see where the money and effort to fix the problem should be spent....

This is one of those video's everyone should watch, no matter your current stance on gun control.