Assault Weapons?

[Iceaxe]

As I have have watched guns and ammunition sale at record rates this past week I understood what was happening... these people are stock piling so they have the ability to defend the freedoms granted to them in the bill of rights. They are not going to surrender or compromise those rights without a fight.

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[Byron]

I've been surfing around looking specifically at liberal sites, reading the comments posted. Forget the freaks in the media, I want to know what real people think about this...

I'm surprised to see, even among the most liberal articles, the comments are mostly pro ownership. I'm trying to find someone with a reasonable reason to back their anti gun ideas....and I really can't find one. I really think there must be a psychological definition for fear of guns...like fear of the dark, or spiders, etc...I've always considered that these people who scream the loudest about this, have this affliction...they get physically ill at the sight of a gun.

Things like "Our schools shouldn't have guards because it will intimidate and distract the kids". What? It seems to me that it would "intimidate and distract" anyone bent on ill intent. C'mon...can't they do better than that?

It seems that we're all in agreement around here. I'd really love to hear some anti gun advocate really bring something with some meat on it...I can't find it. If anyone can post something they propose that makes one go "Hmmm..." then put it up and let's examine it.

Too bad all these knuckleheads give us is criticism about alien shoulder mounted cannons. Obviously, that woman actually believes those things exist! And she's a member of Congress...yikes.

[Brian in SLC]

I'm surprised to see, even among the most liberal articles, the comments are mostly pro ownership. I'm trying to find someone with a reasonable reason to back their anti gun ideas....and I really can't find one. I really think there must be a psychological definition for fear of guns...like fear of the dark, or spiders, etc...I've always considered that these people who scream the loudest about this, have this affliction...they get physically ill at the sight of a gun.

Folks on the ends of the "gun" bellcurve will often have a fair amount ignorance about each other. Its an interesting thing. I'm a fairly liberal gun owner, and, have friends on the extreme ends of this debate. Some can't even have a rational discussion about it at all before it boils up into an emotional name calling deal.

I think most of the folks I know who are very anti gun, will use this to further their cause. Yeah, they're hugely ignorant about firearms (heck, some even refer to "magazines" as "clips"...har har). They hate the gun culture and the embracement of violence and see adding more people with guns in schools as a really bad idea. I did get a kick out of the "put teachers in gun stores" response.

[Iceaxe]

Brownells sells 3.5 years’ worth of magazines in 72 hours.

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/20/brown...s-in-36-hours/

Interesting article on what is happening in retale. Last Wednesday I tried to find some S&W magazines for some of the custom pistols my dad builds and sells. There were none to be had anywhere in the country. Brownell's is one of our usual suppliers.

[Brian in SLC]

Crazy stuff. Legislation should take months, and, even years, if the will for it is sustainable at all (and it may not be, given the timing of the election cycle). Law of supply and demand.

After the 1994 ban expired, there was a brief rush, and, after the last couple election cycles, a bit of a rush, then, the supply outstripped the demand. Prior to a couple weeks ago, there was a glut and the prices especially for an AR or mags, which were both plentiful, were at a fairly low level and you could get just about anything.

Be interesting to watch. Amazing economics in play for sure.

Some interesting stuff:

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[oldno7]

And yet--even he who screams the loudest and willing to fund a ban, personally,STILL has no clue.

[2065toyota]

I just got done cleaning and fully loading every gun and clip I have. Not really sure why, but mostly just because I can and wanted to. Also came to wonder if the Ruger 10/22's aren't the gun of choice?

[oldno7]

So, when you are arguing for the reason to ban 30 rd magazines, maybe your argument might hold more weight if you held up a magazine and YOU weren't breaking the law!!!! 30 rd magazines are BANNED in Washington DC. The ban seems to be working well.

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[2065toyota]

I own a high powered pellet gun that has a side load plastic 12 load clip. Guess I better go bury that one also

[Byron]

And yet--even he who screams the loudest and willing to fund a ban, personally,STILL has no clue.

What a fu**ing moron. Like I said earlier, I keep waiting for one of these people to say something reasonable...and they say WE'RE the ones with our heads in the clouds?

[oldno7]

cnn is on it!!!!

looks like obama will go to any length to get his message out. Now it appears he has adopted biden


President Obama Sets January Deadline For Gun Proposals(CNN) -- The nation will have a set of recommendations to address widespread gun violence within weeks, President Obama announced Wednesday.

Vice President Joe Obama will lead an inter-agency group to come up with "concrete proposals no later than January -- proposals that I then intend to push without delay," the president said.

[oldno7]

So, when you are arguing for the reason to ban 30 rd magazines, maybe your argument might hold more weight if you held up a magazine and YOU weren't breaking the law!!!! 30 rd magazines are BANNED in Washington DC. The ban seems to be working well.

“No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. A ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’ means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition,” D.C.code states. Violations may include a $1,000 fine or imprisonment for up to a year.

Washington D.C. police investigating whether NBC moderator violated law


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CNN producer Larry LazoWashington (CNN) – Washington Metropolitan Police Department is investigating whether NBC’s David Gregory violated D.C. gun laws when he displayed what he described as a 30 round magazine as part of an interview during Sunday’s “Meet the Press.”
“So here’s a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 bullets. Now isn’t it possible that if we got rid of these, if we replaced them and said well, you can only have a magazine that carries five bullets or ten bullets, isn’t it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?” show moderator Gregory asked Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

It’s not known whether the magazine Gregory had in his hand was authentic or a prop. D.C. police spokeswoman Gwen Crump told CNN the department is investigating the matter and would have no further comment at this time.
Possessing a large capacity ammunition device, such as a magazine, isillegal in the District of Columbia if the device holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The code also specifies the large devices are illegal regardless of whether or not they're attached to a firearm. Gregory showed the magazine Sunday without a firearm attached.
NBC’s studios, from which “Meet the Press” is broadcast, are located within city limits. The network did not respond to CNN’s requests for comment.
In the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, gun control advocates have been pushing for a limit on high capacity magazines. Such a restriction is one of the items President Barack Obama mentioned last week when he announced an administration effort to curb violence.
“I don’t believe that’s going to make one difference,” LaPierre told Gregory during the show.
Several conservative commentators first raised the issue of whether Gregory had broken D.C. law by using the magazine.

[Iceaxe]

[2065toyota]

But if the guns are illegal the bad guys wont have them either so we'll all be happy

[rockgremlin]

But if the guns are illegal the bad guys wont have them either so we'll all be happy

Good one. I think that was the funniest thing I've seen on this forum all year....aside from that "Cat Hijack" thread.

[hank moon]

Seems pretty clear that an assault rifle ban isn't going to change anything.

If we as a society decide to ban these weapons ONCE AND FOR ALL because it is a good idea for the future, then 100 yrs from now (if we are still here), it will have had a positive effect. I think a lot of folks using the argument that gun control measures "won't do anything" are working from a short term view.

[rockgremlin]

If we as a society decide to ban these weapons ONCE AND FOR ALL because it is a good idea for the future, then 100 yrs from now (if we are still here), it will have had a positive effect. I think a lot of folks using the argument that gun control measures "won't do anything" are working from a short term view.

Still seems like squinting at an ideal situation that is almost never going to happen.

Banning assault rifles in the U.S. -- OK, I'm on board. I can see how that could happen. Hell, I almost agree with it.

Banning assault rifles in every nation of the world -- IMPOSSIBLE.

How are you going to enforce your ban on North Korea, China, Israel, Russia, etc, etc, etc? Good luck with that.

[oldno7]

If we as a society decide to ban these weapons ONCE AND FOR ALL because it is a good idea for the future, then 100 yrs from now (if we are still here), it will have had a positive effect. I think a lot of folks using the argument that gun control measures "won't do anything" are working from a short term view.

Short term??
Ever hear of the Bill of Rights??
Went into affect in 1791!!
Seems it has worked rather well for 221years....
The Bill of Rights are Amendments to the Constitution, to protect the rights of the "people".

Would love to see your documentation showing the ban of any particular weapon will have a "positive effect"

Once again--I would be glad to attach links if you are un familiar with the Bill of Rights.

[hank moon]

How are you going to enforce your ban on North Korea, China, Israel, Russia, etc, etc, etc? Good luck with that.

clarification: my post refers only to a U.S. ban.

[oldno7]

Heres the 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.