Assault Weapons?

[oldno7]

Which ammendment determines mental illness?

maybe not determines, but would definitely give those who are mentally impaired, rights, would be the 9th amendment.

What possible rights those might be--I have no idea. The 9th was written as a catch all, or maybe--represent all, in some capacity.

The right to not take prescribed drugs?

[Iceaxe]

Instead of just sitting on my ass today I decided to do something positive... and least In a firearm sence....

This is my new toy, a S&W 6906. It's cambered in 9mm and came with two high capacity clips. I swapped out the standard spurless hammer for one with a spur from a 5906. That allows me to shoot single action and accomplice some real gun control (meaning hitting what I aim at).

Today was a good day :)

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[Sombeech]

If we can't come to consensus about gun control, then perhaps we should consider a national, mandatory gun education act. Part of social studies in the schools.

You know what's ironic is every year, sometimes twice a year, every school has the emergency fire drill. They line the students up, they know where to meet outside. Earthquake drills too. (I'm forced to participate in these too)

Do you know how many students have died in a school fire in the last 50 years?

Big Goose Egg - and it's not because everybody stood in line and walked in an orderly fashion with arms folded.

Why is the public education system ignoring the possibility of other dangers in the schools? Things that actually happen, for example?

It's just odd. I also think Gun Safety should be taught in schools. In my expert opinion, more students will own a gun than progress to be a drama industry major. So many classes that have been in EVERY school for decades that are just fun little "easy A's" for the kids. And hey, wood shop is cool, welding is cool, and even though those are strong skills to have for their industry, many of those students will never stand in front of a bandsaw again.

Why is Gun Control and Gun Safety so obviously ignored in the schools? Will it just go away?

[Don]

I think it would be irresponsible to own weapons and not have a safe (if you have children in the home)
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Seems pretty clear that an assault rifle ban isn't going to change anything. And considering that Connecticut already has an assault rifle ban, it wouldn't (clearly didn't) stop this tragedy.
So what do you think about mandatory training, mandatory registration, and mandatory safes. Particularly with handguns and assault rifles; no sales without training, registration, and proof of a safe. (Of course I'm already thinking certain professions, like cops and soldiers, should probably get a waiver on the training portion).
Also, what are your thoughts about private sales? I've bought and sold on KSL and love the convenience, but maybe we should think about ending that easy accessibility in order in implement the training, registration, and security that I already mentioned.
What are your thoughts?

[Iceaxe]

So what do you think about mandatory training, mandatory registration, and mandatory safes. Particularly with handguns and assault rifles; no sales without training, registration, and proof of a safe. (Of course I'm already thinking certain professions, like cops and soldiers, should probably get a waiver on the training portion).

The safe part would be impossible to police. I don't believe in passing laws that you can not enforce.

As for the rest... You do realize your suggestion would make no difference in 90% of the shootings don't you? as the shooter is already using an illegally acquired weapon.

As I bought my new handgun today I was reminded of a little tid-bit.... registration is much easier for anyone with a concealed carry permit. The dealer just has to verify and call in your permit number and the background check is complete.

If you are going to require some type of class before being able to purchase a gun I'd say make your military ID, hunters safety card or a CCP the must have item.

But again, the only ones paying a price and getting training would be the law abiding citizens, criminals don't give a crap.

[BruteForce]

Seems pretty clear that an assault rifle ban isn't going to change anything. And considering that Connecticut already has an assault rifle ban, it wouldn't (clearly didn't) stop this tragedy.
So what do you think about mandatory training, mandatory registration, and mandatory safes. Particularly with handguns and assault rifles; no sales without training, registration, and proof of a safe. (Of course I'm already thinking certain professions, like cops and soldiers, should probably get a waiver on the training portion).
Also, what are your thoughts about private sales? I've bought and sold on KSL and love the convenience, but maybe we should think about ending that easy accessibility in order in implement the training, registration, and security that I already mentioned.
What are your thoughts?

I definitely believe the process needs revamping.. no doubt about it. The private sale and gun show loop holes should probably be closed. I also think (at least in Utah), the CCW process is just stupid silly, where those that now can get a CCW without knowing how to properly handle a firearm. It's harder to buy a car or animal than it is to procure a weapon.

I wouldn't agree with further legislation, however (mandating a safe, registration, etc).

[BruteForce]

came with two high capacity clips.

Clips? Clips? CLIPS!?!?!

http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

[Brian in SLC]

Clips...yeah, clips. I read magazines and have a few magazine subscriptions.

Detachable box magazine?

This "magazine" thing is new. 20 to 30 years ago and before they were called "clips".

Magazine for the Winchester model 97 30-30? That ain't a clip.

Let's take back the word, "clip"!

[Iceaxe]

Clips? Clips? CLIPS!?!?!

http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

I disagree... that is one persons opinion... a large number of gun stores have their clips cataloged under "magazine".... MidwayUSA is where I normally buy extra mags and they are listed under "magazines" on their website.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?newcat...ensionid=14658

And to top it off, from Websters

Magazine - a holder in or on a gun for cartridges to be fed into the gun chamber.

[BruteForce]

Clips...yeah, clips. I read magazines and have a few magazine subscriptions.

Detachable box magazine?

This "magazine" thing is new. 20 to 30 years ago and before they were called "clips".

Magazine for the Winchester model 97 30-30? That ain't a clip.

Let's take back the word, "clip"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(ammunition)

Not to be confused with Magazine (firearms).
A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process of loading and reloading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time. Several different types of clips exist, most of which are made of inexpensive metal stampings that are designed to be disposable, though they are often re-used.
The term clip is commonly used to describe a firearm magazine, especially in newspapers, movies, and on television. Because of this usage, the Merriam-Webster dictionary now defines a clip as "a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also :a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm". However, this usage is technically incorrect. In the correct usage, a clip is used to feed a magazine or revolving cylinder, while a magazine or a belt is used to load cartridges into the chamber of a firearm. In essence, the clip stores the rounds of ammunition before being inserted into the magazine, which houses the clip inside for use by the firearm. Most weapons that use clips, such as the M1 Garand as seen above, utilize the clip by loading it directly into the firearm.<sup>[1]


Okay, I digress. Back to the regular debate</sup>

[Iceaxe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(ammunition)

You are quoting Wiki...

You do realize any 12 year old kid with a computer can chage those diffenitions don't you?

Personally I'm good with folks using either term, I know exactly what they are talking about. But I have to go now because I have to drive my mother to the pet store to get her poodle "clipped".

[Iceaxe]

[accadacca]

Good ole Ted...

Ted Nugent on gun control

[rockgremlin]

Discovery channel cancels shows about guns. "Connecticut's incident not the reason why." Ya right.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...-links-to-gun/

[Iceaxe]

Discovery channel cancels shows about guns. "Connecticut's incident not the reason why." Ya right.

This one had nothing to do with Connecticut as the decision not to renew came long before Connecticut. The show was not renewed after it's season 2 ratings fell in the toilet.

The second season of American Guns got off to a strong start in April with 1.15 HH rating, 0.87 in adults 25-54 and 0.79 in adults 18-49, up 50% from last year’s series premiere. But the ratings subsequently dropped off and, in the end, Season 2 finished down double-digits from Season 1. I hear Discovery brass also felt there was no story left to tell, contributing to the cancellation decision. American Guns joins two veteran Discovery series that have been recently cancelled: Dirty Jobs and American Chopper.

As a show 'American Guns" sucked... Paige Wyatt was the only thing that even made the show tolerable to watch...












Alright.... the mom was also pretty hot...



Right now the family is too busy selling legal firearms to be bothered with filming a lame ass reality show.

[rockgremlin]

NO WAY!! Dirty Jobs was cancelled?!?! That show was one of their staples, and one of my favorites.

They better not cancel Mythbusters or there's gonna be rioting in the streets...

[oldno7]

No hypocrisy here

[BruteForce]

That woman (Feinstein), Harry Reid, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi need to all be in the same aircraft as it plunges into an active volcano; nut-jobs and hypocrites, all of them!

[Iceaxe]

That woman (Feinstein), Harry Reid, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi need to all be in the same aircraft as it plunges into an active volcano; nut-jobs and hypocrites, all of them!

^^^THIS^^^

[Eric Holden]

That woman (Feinstein), Harry Reid, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi need to all be in the same aircraft as it plunges into an active volcano; nut-jobs and hypocrites, all of them!

Feinstein is our hero in Cali!