Cue the Anti-AR15 Crowd in 3, 2, 1.....

[oldno7]

Texas senator files measure to turn entire state into a “gun sanctuary,” nullifying ALL federal gun control laws

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/03/11/texas-senator-files-measure-to-turn-entire-state-into-a-gun-sanctuary-nullifying-all-federal-gun-control-laws/


Maybe 2 can play this sanctuary game...

[twotimer]

The Sherrifs of six counties here in Colorado have already done it...they don't want to kick in the doors of someone that's been deemed "mentally ill" by the state to confiscate their guns. Probably because half the hillbillies out there are already nuts.

[Iceaxe]

When politicians do not obey their oath, How the hell can we expect criminals to obey gun laws?

[oldno7]

...,

[oldno7]

..,,.

[Iceaxe]

Good parenting...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190319/3feadc94dc917c1982c21fffbfc9bd90.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190321/53e758dfafc5289a2e5a6b67bd1ca1c7.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.rallyforourrights.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/wwnc-counties-1-1024x538.jpg (https://www.rallyforourrights.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/wwnc-counties-1-1024x538.jpg)

[twotimer]

OK...so they've now banned all "Military Style Assault Weapons" in New Zealand, along with magazines and any parts to covet a firearm to semi auto. Looks like the shooter got exactly what he wanted...socialism.

Yep...blame the gun. This will just make it all the more easier for guys like him to operate without resistance.

I saw a screen shot from the video he made...all those people lying on the floor, cowering in fear and hoping not to get shot. Too bad they didn't have somebody there to shoot the SOB as soon as he stepped into the door. I'll never understand how they'll leave the door to the chicken coop wide open and then get pissed at the fox for helping itself.

[accadacca]

NZ prime minister said the man arrested in the attacks had purchased his weapons legally and enhanced their capacity by using 30-round magazines "done easily through a simple online purchase."

[BruteForce]

And just like that, without due cause, without public involvement, NZ has decided that law abiding gun owners are now criminals.

Sure wish governments would focus more on the criminals with guns than law abiding folks with guns..

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190321/a62bf785e468c3119e1c328d1a2d34cb.jpg

[Sombeech]

I still do not understand the expectation that somebody planning a mass shooting would want to voluntarily turn their gun in.

[oldno7]

It's easy---socialism cannot exist in a country where the citizenry is armed, it can't.

This has always been the plan of the left, just recently they have become emboldened due to the ignorant mis understanding of what socialism is.

When those who think they understand it, finally get it(socialism), it will destroy them, their families and a once great country.

ignorance is not bliss here, it's lethal.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190321/5fe3fc3381cc44b16c91d2d102f440d9.jpg

[tallsteve]

Oh my gosh. This guy just posted pics of his wife's newly completed AR15 build on the facebook AR15 Builders Forum page. He says the build took over a year to complete and it was made to drive the left, anti-gun crowd crazy. This couple lives in Utah somewhere. Not for me but, I'm laughing so hard!

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[tallsteve]

The selector switch:

Safe Space
Triggered
Fully Libtard

:roflol:

[devo_stevo]

That's awesome. I'm surprised such a group is allowed to exist on Facebook.

[Iceaxe]

That's awesome. I'm surprised such a group is allowed to exist on Facebook.

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[twotimer]

I think I just fell in love with that gal.

[tallsteve]

That's awesome. I'm surprised such a group is allowed to exist on Facebook.

There's all kinds of gun groups on facebook. I belong to several. There's just a very strict "No Sales" policy.

The rifle pictured is a 6.5 Grendel for long distance, hence the longer barrel and smaller capacity magazine. They also built a .223 at the same time.

[BasinCruiser]

Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!

[oldno7]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/partsman/ZZZZ/12279015_10153623783520432_1173520061588399705_n_z psnq3fuzob.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/partsman/media/ZZZZ/12279015_10153623783520432_1173520061588399705_n_z psnq3fuzob.jpg.html)

[Iceaxe]

NZ opened a website for people to sign up to turn in their guns. Americans trolled them so hard they shut it down within 24 hours.

Well played #MAGA

[emoji631]

[Sombeech]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/partsman/ZZZZ/12279015_10153623783520432_1173520061588399705_n_z psnq3fuzob.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/partsman/media/ZZZZ/12279015_10153623783520432_1173520061588399705_n_z psnq3fuzob.jpg.html)

Let's talk about Jesus :roflol:

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/SzTT9M9.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190327/9ed4c84190a8d8390a1d1e0860e55e70.jpg

[Iceaxe]

The Federal bump stock ban went into effect on Tuesday... to date not one single bump stock has been surrendered to authorities.... that is all.

[BasinCruiser]

The Federal bump stock ban went into effect on Tuesday... to date not one single bump stock has been surrendered to authorities.... that is all.


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[Iceaxe]

This should be fun.... I love liberal tears...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/e33f26373b2fd281e4a427d7deb7dac6.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Truth...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/2745e5cfa9798976eb20c1fe6f4c0f11.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190331/7129ac48118339cd471b81f1f681a815.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Truth...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190401/00c8ee980b368f0b27faa82522b46dc2.jpg

[oldno7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27bYMrXcAQG2C-.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27bYMrXcAQG2C-.jpg:large)

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/download_jpeg-896928.JPG (https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/download_jpeg-896928.JPG)

[BasinCruiser]

If you lost your bump stock last week in a boating accident , do you remember where it was lost?

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http://concealednation.org/2019/04/breaking-largest-boating-operation-ever-in-san-francisco-bay-thousands-try-to-recover-high-capacity-magazines-lost-in-boating-accidents/

[oldno7]

nice to see a few court cases turning positive for a change...



Judge Dismisses Brady Group Suit Against Cabela’s

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/04/01/judge-dismisses-brady-group-suit-against-cabelas?fbclid=IwAR11C3mCEXLqENfvtmArrfijwAKn1ndFy lyQUjRmWNkun5UtNFCP88sZOwQ&avad=55963_c1579f625&utm_source=AvantLink&utm_campaign=41227&utm_medium=cl_NA

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Wounded knee?

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[rockgremlin]

Wounded knee?

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From the Wounded Knee Wiki:


On the morning of December 29, the U.S. Cavalry troops went into the camp to disarm the Lakota. One version of events claims that during the process of disarming the Lakota, a deaf tribesman named Black Coyote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Coyote) was reluctant to give up his rifle, claiming he had paid a lot for it. Simultaneously, an old man was performing a ritual called the Ghost Dance. Black Coyote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Coyote)'s rifle went off at that point, and the U.S. army began shooting at the Native Americans. The disarmed Lakota warriors did their best to fight back.

By the time the massacre was over, between 250 and 300 men, women, and children of the Lakota had been killed and 51 were wounded (4 men and 47 women and children, some of whom died later); some estimates placed the number of dead at 300. Twenty-five soldiers also died, and 39 were wounded (6 of the wounded later died). At least twenty soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor). In 2001, the National Congress of American Indians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Congress_of_American_Indians) passed two resolutions condemning the military awards and called on the U.S. government to rescind them.

The Wounded Knee Battlefield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Battlefield), site of the massacre, has been designated a National Historic Landmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Historic_Landmark) by the U.S. Department of the Interior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Interior). In 1990, both houses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(legislature)) of the U.S. Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Congress) passed a resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_(law)) on the historical centennial formally expressing "deep regret" for the massacre.

[Iceaxe]

"Bury my heart at wounded knee" by Dee Brown is a great book that should be required reading by all Americans.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

https://iotwreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/guncontrol.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/RQB6GYQ.jpg

[twotimer]

That's a great question...I reckon they don't want anybody to have guns, not even the cops.

I remember when I was a kid being told that the "Bobbies," or police in England didn't have firearms...implying that their society was so peaceful that they didn't need them.

Times sure have changed.

[BasinCruiser]

It’s similar to the other question they never can answer: Hwy do politicians continue to fight over new ways to take guns from law abiding citizens, but they can’t come up with one way to take guns from criminals and terrorists?

[oldno7]

nice rally in Illinois today.

Not a democrat rally---many people actually showed up.

The dems been kickin' the hornets nest for quite awhile.

seems the hornets might take offence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBBqhMPtaGI

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

from the rally...

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/24999/20190410_193445-1_jpg-908383.JPG (https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/24999/20190410_193445-1_jpg-908383.JPG)

[oldno7]

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55619232_2584083374941037_5926827200853573632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=223e5cc02f4aa1508b2d5e574c39187c&oe=5D399520 (https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55619232_2584083374941037_5926827200853573632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=223e5cc02f4aa1508b2d5e574c39187c&oe=5D399520)

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Swallow well is so out of touch. Nobody is asking how he’ll take guns from law abiding citizens. We are asking how he’ll take guns from criminals and terrorists.

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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/44LYnkm.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/tN8TcMK.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/6UcbM10.png

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

I saw this assad cracked up laughing....

.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190508/f4660a3c6b925f2d6cc4cf24afdc47a9.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/21/16/448B1A1100000578-4907174-image-a-4_1506007946551.jpg

[uintafly]

What does her shirt say? I keep getting distracted when I try to read it.

[Iceaxe]

What does her shirt say? I keep getting distracted when I try to read it.

Just curious... have you ever noticed that's never an issue with the anti gun crowd?

Or perhaps it's all in the eye of the beholder. Like when I was young my dad would always say "there is no such thing as an ugly girl driving a Corvette".

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

But trust them when they say.. "no one really wants to take your guns"

.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190509/bdc55979f561e8f485406f613a209639.jpg

[uintafly]

Just curious... have you ever noticed that's never an issue with the anti gun crowd?

Or perhaps it's all in the eye of the beholder. Like when I was young my dad would always say "there is no such thing as an ugly girl driving a Corvette".

I haven't noticed. But I will start paying very close attention.

[oldno7]

I haven't noticed. But I will start paying very close attention.

Like joe close?:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

If society had any true wish to stop these school shootings, We would make them a Capital offense, mandatory death sentence, no appeal.

Jury trial within a month of the crime.

All court cases in district would be pushed back to accommodate a very speedy trial.

Sentence carried out on mainstreet of effected town, day after court verdict.

Media not allowed in court, but o.k. at execution site.



My guess is liberals would prefer the kids get killed and then push their gun confiscation agenda,

rather than kill a convicted school shooter.

[tallsteve]

While I agree in theory with ^, I think it would actually make things worse. If shooters know they'll die regardless, either during the event or right after a speedy trial, then they'll figure out how to make it a bigger mass casualty event. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna take out more people in a bigger blaze of glory. I'm not sure it's a big enough deterrent.

[oldno7]

No--I think a national broadcast of this could be a deterrent, 2-3 of these on tv should do it.

https://i.imgur.com/PTHzjaK.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190510/ccaf77928a029cc609cbbda88ccae340.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

I think this adequately sums up the sad state of our media today :

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[BasinCruiser]

Anti-gun liberals:ReLAx gUn nUTs. NOBody iS taKIng aWAy yOUr GunS. We JuST WaNT cOMmON sENsE gun cONtroL.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-americans-should-be-thrown-in-jail-if-they-wont-give-up-their-guns

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Nobody’s wants to take your knives. We just want some common sense knife control.

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oh, and spoons.

[oldno7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7nw0NCW0AAhanR.jpg:large

[Iceaxe]

Just for the record....

This shooting occurred in a gun free zone....

Not one single currently proposed gun control measure would have stopped this shooting...

That is all.....

Virginia Beach police identify all 12 victims of shooting at municipal complex

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-beach-police-identify-12-victims-shooting

[BasinCruiser]

Why throw useless details like facts into this? Don’t you care about the lives that were lost because of these war machines that can be as easily bought on the internet? (End sarcasm)

The MSM will conveniently gloss over the facts, and move straight to their made up talking point that there has already been 150 mass shootings in the US already in 2019.

[oldno7]

Wait until the left find out about these.....

https://i.imgur.com/WawRoxx.png

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/46582/222_jpg-966682.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/46582/VB_png-966683.JPG

[oldno7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BsM89XoAE_G02.jpg:large

[BasinCruiser]

Trump may be good for the economy and national sovereignty, but his liberal colors are showing through with regards to personal freedom and liberty.

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[oldno7]

Agree, folks dont understand how suppressors work or the sound barrier.

[twotimer]

Trump may be good for the economy and national sovereignty, but his liberal colors are showing through with regards to personal freedom and liberty.

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You may be right about this, but then again...I reckon somebody he trusts will wise him up. He had to throw 'em a bone with the bump stocks, maybe he'll throw this one, too.

But them again, I've never owned a bump stock or a "silencer".

[oldno7]

For sale at PSAhttps://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/u/buildthewall-10.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/555/21192377_1416596165062620_4035508808088738581_n-456046_JPG-976179.JPG

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/3j5uvqhtns331.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

“Why can’t we get rid of these military assault rifles? You gun nuts are crazy to think the government will then become tyrannical and use them on you when you have been stripped of them. “

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[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190623/67eea7c2cc15ee91447c0039175b1b48.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

The Dems need a break in the news cycle after the Mueller hearing and Trumps ‘racist’ remarks towards Elija Cummings and everyone looking at what a craphole Baltimore is under him. Queue a news distraction in 3, 2, 1....

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https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/breaking-active-shooter-california-festival-least-11-hit-mass

[tallsteve]

One report I read said the festival is a gun-free zone/festival. Just another example of how gun-free zones are the most unsafe spaces in the country. Sad.

[DirkHammergate]

The Dems need a break in the news cycle after the Mueller hearing and Trumps ‘racist’ remarks towards Elija Cummings and everyone looking at what a craphole Baltimore is under him. Queue a news distraction in 3, 2, 1....

Funny but I could walk outside my building in downtown SLC and see the same garbage in Baltimore but I don't see Trump blaming Chris Stewart or Rob Bishop or whoever the hell congress person represents SLC... oh yeah, there's 3 of them.

[Sombeech]

Funny but I could walk outside my building in downtown SLC and see the same garbage

Dude let's get you moved out of that cardboard box and into a Bogley suite

[Iceaxe]

Funny but I could walk outside my building in downtown SLC and see the same garbage in Baltimore but I don't see Trump blaming Chris Stewart or Rob Bishop or whoever the hell congress person represents SLC... oh yeah, there's 3 of them.Why is this in a thread about mass shootings and gun control?!?

I fail to see any connections...

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

Why is this in a thread about mass shootings and gun control?!?

I fail to see any connections...

Climb-Utah.com

Due to the trend of SLC electing liberal mayors, and with the recent batch of liberal candidates chomping at the bit for the job, gun control and mass shootings are around corner. Just as DH mentions, one of the first symptoms is manifesting itself in the garbage that he can see outside his SLC apartment.

[twotimer]

Yep...just be patient, Dirk. It's only a matter of time considering the dummies and dirtbags are electing your increasingly "progressive" officials. I can't figure if your post is completely ignorant or completely clever.

[DirkHammergate]

Yep...just be patient, Dirk. It's only a matter of time considering the dummies and dirtbags are electing your increasingly "progressive" officials. I can't figure if your post is completely ignorant or completely clever.

And it came to pass, Jesus saith I will thoughts and pray for you...

[accadacca]

I heard it was a gun free zone at this Walmart in Texas?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190804/06154bad1189a164780a4e4f3199e94e.jpg

[accadacca]

9 dead, 26 injured in a shooting in Dayton, Ohio

https://cnn.it/31nsDeN

[DirkHammergate]

And it came to pass, Jesus saith I will thoughts and pray for you...

And it came to pass, Jesus saith oh well, whatever, nevermind

[Iceaxe]

How many times do we have to see a crowd of defenseless people die before we realize being defenseless isn't the answer?

Climb-Utah.com

[DirkHammergate]

Due to the trend of SLC electing liberal mayors, and with the recent batch of liberal candidates chomping at the bit for the job, gun control and mass shootings are around corner. Just as DH mentions, one of the first symptoms is manifesting itself in the garbage that he can see outside his SLC apartment.

Good analysis, to bad your thoughts can’t be written in crayon. Riddle me why Salina Utah doesn’t have a homeless problem yet The greater Salt Lake area does?

[Iceaxe]

The everyone gets a trophy method of parenting has proven to be a mass failure. It's time to start teaching personal accountability again...

This guy walked into a mall and killed 20 people for nothing and their response is “Gun Control”. We’re being shot at! We don't want gun control, we want a gun to shoot back!

Evil doesn’t live in a vacuum; it doesn’t care about your gun laws.

This psycho drove hours to another city just so he could slaughter people while wearing hearing protection.

He was more worried about protecting his hearing than he was the lives he was about to take.

This is pure evil we are dealing with here and you want us to face this type of evil with GUN CONTROL LAWS, that’s ridiculous!

Stop blaming the gun!

America has ALWAYS had guns and we haven't had these problems.

The problem is we’ve raised a generation of kids who are entitled, who lack personal accountability, and believe their feelings are the only things that matter.

When they explode and kill a bunch of people, instead of demonstrating what personal accountability looks like by blaming the person, we blame the gun as if the gun drove to El Paso and did the shooting on its own.

Keep America Tactical

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

I'll be honest, I haven't read one single article about the incidents in Texas and Ohio.

Why should I? Are the articles -- any article -- going to be objective and portray the facts without trying to sway the reader's opinion with ludicrous statistics and biased data? How many times has the finger of blame been pointed at Trump and the NRA? I'm sick of reading about these incidents from the perspective of a liberally biased media.

So I choose not to....:fitz:

[oldno7]

And it came to pass, Jesus saith I will thoughts and pray for you...

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[twotimer]

That's friggin' funny!

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190806/737bb74642eaa7d324499682d8bc5e88.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190806/4f0456ad591421bb528fdb3922ecff91.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[tallsteve]

From the LA Times. I thought for sure they'd lay all blame on guns and/or Donald Trump.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data?fbclid=IwAR22FuYw5tRGTOwqdmZS5PBk8mBhesikdHIF nQTvqUwlU3kMyudK-g-EuN8

[rockgremlin]

From the LA Times. I thought for sure they'd lay all blame on guns and/or Donald Trump.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data?fbclid=IwAR22FuYw5tRGTOwqdmZS5PBk8mBhesikdHIF nQTvqUwlU3kMyudK-g-EuN8


It actually is a pretty good Op-Ed piece. One thing that stuck out was the fact that mass shootings are contagious:

"Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters. They are socially contagious (https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Feducat ion%2F2019%2F04%2F18%2Fschool-shootings-didnt-start-columbine-heres-why-that-disaster-became-blueprint-other-killers-created-columbine-generation%2F%3Fnoredirect%3Don%26utm_term%3D.3c46 262e0a19&data=02%7C01%7Csue.horton%40latimes.com%7C9faec9c0 ad834e96599f08d71896915a%7Ca42080b34dd948b4bf44d70 d3bbaf5d2%7C0%7C0%7C637004907274451172&sdata=ZErdJ%2FtGSWdEMXqKKGFJxqHM0t%2B%2FQUGLdBpgJP 2o93o%3D&reserved=0). Perpetrators study other perpetrators and model their acts after previous shootings."


If we could somehow convince the media to not splash these stories all over the world, then it might cut down the incidence rate of mass shootings. But good luck with that -- a mass shooting is such low hanging fruit for the media that there's no way they can resist.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

for the un believers....

In my own native state of Massachusetts, the battle for American freedom was begun by the thousands of farmers and tradesmen who made up the Minute Men -- citizens who were ready to defend their liberty at a moment's notice. Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of America, cannot succeed with any lesser effort.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/life-of-john-f-kennedy/john-f-kennedy-quotations/commemorative-message-on-roosevelt-day

[tallsteve]

A bit off topic. In my quest to be prepared I am taking a Stop the Bleed training class tonight. I'm already first aid and CPR certified because of the volunteer work I do with the Forest Service but, I'm always looking for more training and this course deals more with penetrating bleeds during mass casualty events.
Course description: "Uncontrolled bleeding is the number one cause of death after a mass shooting and similar mass casualty events. Severe bleeding can cause shock or death within five or 10 minutes — before medical help arrives. That’s why the Utah Valley Hospital is hosting a “Stop the Bleed” class to teach members of the public how to stop bleeding in cases of mass injuries.Stop the Bleed is a national injury prevention initiative aimed at teaching members of the public how to control a major hemorrhage before EMS crews arrive — because no matter how quickly emergency responders arrive, bystanders will always be first on the scene."

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/calendar/south/uvrmc/stop-the-bleed/

[rockgremlin]

A bit off topic. In my quest to be prepared I am taking a Stop the Bleed training class tonight. I'm already first aid and CPR certified because of the volunteer work I do with the Forest Service but, I'm always looking for more training and this course deals more with penetrating bleeds during mass casualty events.
Course description: "Uncontrolled bleeding is the number one cause of death after a mass shooting and similar mass casualty events. Severe bleeding can cause shock or death within five or 10 minutes — before medical help arrives. That’s why the Utah Valley Hospital is hosting a “Stop the Bleed” class to teach members of the public how to stop bleeding in cases of mass injuries.Stop the Bleed is a national injury prevention initiative aimed at teaching members of the public how to control a major hemorrhage before EMS crews arrive — because no matter how quickly emergency responders arrive, bystanders will always be first on the scene."

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/calendar/south/uvrmc/stop-the-bleed/


Fascinating.

What's the best course of action when your leg is shot and the femoral artery is severed? Everything I've ever seen or read says you bleed out in just a few minutes.

Is that still the case or has some breakthrough technique been recently adopted?

[BasinCruiser]

93082

[rockgremlin]

93082


Wow...

Just, wow.......:eek2:

[oldno7]

FBI Insider: El Paso Shooter Told Officials It was the Democrat Debate on Free Healthcare to Illegals — Not Trump! — That Triggered His Mass Shooting


Steve Hooper is a 30 year veteran of the FBI. Hooper said the El Paso shooter, during interviews, says he was triggered after watching the DNC debate where all the candidates raised their hands to provide “health insurance” to illegal immigrants.
It was the insanity at the Democrat Presidential debates that triggered the shooter, not Trump’s language.

[twotimer]

A bit off topic. In my quest to be prepared I am taking a Stop the Bleed training class tonight. I'm already first aid and CPR certified because of the volunteer work I do with the Forest Service but, I'm always looking for more training and this course deals more with penetrating bleeds during mass casualty events.
Course description: "Uncontrolled bleeding is the number one cause of death after a mass shooting and similar mass casualty events. Severe bleeding can cause shock or death within five or 10 minutes — before medical help arrives. That’s why the Utah Valley Hospital is hosting a “Stop the Bleed” class to teach members of the public how to stop bleeding in cases of mass injuries.Stop the Bleed is a national injury prevention initiative aimed at teaching members of the public how to control a major hemorrhage before EMS crews arrive — because no matter how quickly emergency responders arrive, bystanders will always be first on the scene."

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/calendar/south/uvrmc/stop-the-bleed/Well I certainly hope you're nearby when I get bit by a shark, errr...hit by an asteroid, uh...a casualty in a mass shooting.

Curious class...I would reckon you'd just put pressure around where it's squirting and hope the EMS gets there quick. If it's a gaping wound I would figure more or less the same thing...cover it with something clean if you can and put on a little pressure.

If you can give a basic rundown of anything particularly interesting from this class...do tell.

[rockgremlin]

FBI Insider: El Paso Shooter Told Officials It was the Democrat Debate on Free Healthcare to Illegals — Not Trump! — That Triggered His Mass Shooting


Steve Hooper is a 30 year veteran of the FBI. Hooper said the El Paso shooter, during interviews, says he was triggered after watching the DNC debate where all the candidates raised their hands to provide “health insurance” to illegal immigrants.
It was the insanity at the Democrat Presidential debates that triggered the shooter, not Trump’s language.


You got a source for this? Because it would seem that information like this would likely get screened by a liberally biased media.

[Iceaxe]

Sounds about right....


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190807/247d1d9e15e0f4024ba78d665db754c3.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

You got a source for this? Because it would seem that information like this would likely get screened by a liberally biased media.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/fbi-insider-el-paso-shooter-told-officials-it-was-the-democrat-debate-on-free-healthcare-to-illegals-not-trump-that-triggered-his-mass-shooting/

[Sombeech]

Luckily, officers were already on the scene when the shooting started. They are firing back SECONDS after it starts. Imagine if the cops were 10 minutes away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZzJNrVzA-E

[uintafly]

If the easy access to guns has no effect on mass shootings, what do you guys think makes the US so prone to these when compared to the rest of the 1st world?

[rockgremlin]

If the easy access to guns has no effect on mass shootings, what do you guys think makes the US so prone to these when compared to the rest of the 1st world?

I think the points brought out in the aforementioned article does a pretty good job at outlining some of the major contributing factors:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data?fbclid=IwAR22FuYw5tRGTOwqdmZS5PBk8mBhesikdHIF nQTvqUwlU3kMyudK-g-EuN8

[oldno7]

CONFIRMED: Democrat Dayton Shooter Was Part Of ANTIFA,https://bigleaguepolitics.com/confirmed-democrat-dayton-shooter-was-part-of-antifa-participated-in-armed-protest-this-year/

[middlefork]

Fascinating.

What's the best course of action when your leg is shot and the femoral artery is severed? Everything I've ever seen or read says you bleed out in just a few minutes.
Is that still the case or has some breakthrough technique been recently adopted?

After years of being vilified, tourniquets are being recommended for severe bleeding on extremities.Direct pressure is about the best you can do elsewhere.

[uintafly]

I think the points brought out in the aforementioned article does a pretty good job at outlining some of the major contributing factors:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data?fbclid=IwAR22FuYw5tRGTOwqdmZS5PBk8mBhesikdHIF nQTvqUwlU3kMyudK-g-EuN8

Lots of contributing factors but only one of them is uniquely American..... Easy access to firearms.

[rockgremlin]

^^^Well, sure. But access to firearms isn't the most compelling reason. If folks want to get guns, they're gonna find a way to get guns. Even if guns were 100% outlawed in the US folks would still find a way to access them.

How do you think gang members in the US have so many guns? Is it because they're going through all the proper channels and passing background checks? Not a chance. They're getting them illegally -- a practice that will continue even if guns are banned.

[Goat]

If we took away easy access to guns (which is an American characteristic) these terrorists would just switch to something else, probably bombs.

[Iceaxe]

Lots of contributing factors but only one of them is uniquely American..... Easy access to firearms.


You appear to not understand a very important American concept... The Second Amendment is not about and has never been about saving lives, it's about maintaining the historic amount of freedom we enjoy.

The question you should be asking is are you willing to trade your freedom for security? And if so what will the end result look like? Who will provide the security and how will they provide it? What will the loss of freedom actually cost?

Americans already traded a large amount of their freedom and privacy away in the hope for security after 9-11, are you willing to trade more?

[emoji631]

Climb-Utah.com

[rockgremlin]

Here's an interesting interview between Joe Rogan and Bernie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rnLBylKOs

[uintafly]

You appear to not understand a very important American concept... The Second Amendment is not about and has never been about saving lives, it's about maintaining the historic amount of freedom we enjoy.

The question you should be asking is are you willing to trade your freedom for security? And if so what will the end result look like? Who will provide the security and how will they provide it? What will the loss of freedom actually cost?

Americans already traded a large amount of their freedom and privacy away in the hope for security after 9-11, are you willing to trade more?

[emoji631]

Climb-Utah.com

I understand the concept quite well actually, and never called for banning of guns. I just wish we'd be honest and admit that it's a tradeoff we are willing to make. More guns = more freedom = more deaths.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and theater goers, shoppers, concert goers, kindergartners and coworkers.

[Sombeech]

The basis is, do you believe the possession of a gun gives somebody the urge to kill? Or does somebody have the urge to kill and so they obtain what is available, guns, vs explosives, vs vehicles, vs mass poison, vs a box cutter on an airplane.....

[tallsteve]

The basis is, do you believe the possession of a gun gives somebody the urge to kill? Or does somebody have the urge to kill and so they obtain what is available, guns, vs explosives, vs vehicles, vs mass poison, vs a box cutter on an airplane.....

Yep. Plus, if you look through the annual murder data from the CDC, pretty much every state in the union has more murders committed by the use of hands, feet, knives, blunt instruments (hammers, baseball bats, etc) than the entire rifle category combined (which includes AR's). People bent on committing murder will figure out a way to do it with whatever instrument they have on hand.

[oldno7]

Very smart woman, very good, logical read.

Why Red Flag Laws Are Not A Good Solution To Mass Shootings (https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/06/red-flag-laws-not-good-solution-mass-shootings/)


https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/06/red-flag-laws-not-good-solution-mass-shootings/

[oldno7]

Kinda curious

When was the last call to ban automobiles?

Some drive them drunk and kill people.

[Sombeech]

forget automobiles, why isn't Alcohol banned since it's involved with almost every one of these incidents?

[uintafly]

The basis is, do you believe the possession of a gun gives somebody the urge to kill? Or does somebody have the urge to kill and so they obtain what is available, guns, vs explosives, vs vehicles, vs mass poison, vs a box cutter on an airplane.....

No but it does give them an easy means to do it. Especially when considering moment of passion domestic type killings and suicides. It takes a lot more planning, work ,expertise and time to figure out a way to poison a classroom of school kids than it does to grab your moms gun and head to the local elementary school. I'm not saying any type of gun control would eliminate gun deaths or murder, but it's at least slow it down.

Just like with cars, you will never eliminate vehicle deaths but at least we make some effort in controlling it (licenses, insurance, speed limits, etc.)

[tallsteve]

"Stop the Bleed" class report: It was informative, I learned a lot and glad I went. The class lasted for an hour and a half. I learned how to use and apply a combat application tourniquet (CAT). This type of tourniquet is what the hospital and EMT's use on a daily basis. They covered the different and recommended types of wound bandages. I learned how to properly pack a wound, which is not the same as just applying pressure. I learned how to apply a chest seal. I think they covered everything pretty good without actually taking us to the ER or out into the field to "practice" on actual injuries. I learned I need to add a few more or different items to my trauma kit, like a good pair of medical shears and a CAT. I keep my trauma kit items in the small pouch I've linked below, which stays in my Jeep and I carry on me when I hike, do trailwork, go shooting, etc. I think I'm going to put together another smaller kit that I can attach to my mtn. bike. It'll include a CAT, QuikClot gauze, a couple rolls of sterile gauze and some gauze bandages and tape.

https://www.amazon.com/CONDOR-EMT-Pouch-Multicam-2-5-Inch/dp/B005E0YGBA/ref=sr_1_20?keywords=condor+small+pouch&qid=1565196941&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-20

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195QI218/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/QuikClot-Advanced-Clotting-Hemostatic-Bleeding/dp/B00HJTH5L2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1524352637&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=quick+clot&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=actiselfprot-20&linkId=033296deccc81284af3d728b7c977ad2
https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/SOF-Tourniquet-Gen-4

https://www.amazon.com/North-American-Rescue-Hyfin-Chest/dp/B00KQS2NGK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=chest+seals&qid=1565056284&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-2&linkCode=sl1&tag=actiselfprot-20&linkId=e93381314adae2a9bac3ee84701b9226&language=en_US

I noticed IHC had a bunch of Stop the Bleed courses coming up in the Salt Lake valley here soon. Just google it. They are free.
For you boaters out there, our instructors said they have seen more boating accidents this year than ever before which are requiring tourniquets. So, keep one or two in your boats and know how to use them.

[rockgremlin]

forget automobiles, why isn't Alcohol banned since it's involved with almost every one of these incidents?


They tried that already.

Didn't work. Criminals were more than willing to fill the demand.

[devo_stevo]

Here's an interesting interview between Joe Rogan and Bernie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rnLBylKOs
This is great. Thanks for posting it. Here's the thing. I think that when you get Bernie away from all of the other crazies and talk to the guy, I don't think that he wants anything different than what I want for the country. I would assume that most people are this way. All they want is for people to be able to go out and do what they want to do and feel safe while doing it.

I diverge from his views when he starts to talk about how to fix it, though (there are a few things that I agree with, but not all).

This is why I hate the news media and political debates and all that crap. It's not real. It's all designed to highlight the bad parts of someone else's views and shine a light on how awesome you are because they are terrible. All that while at the core of it, we are all trying to get the same things. We just have to listen to each other and agree to have an adult conversation without acting like big babies if we don't get our way.

[oldno7]

Many here and in this country have little knowledge as to what a right is--as guaranteed by the Constitution

The Constitution did not give citizens any rights, it merely protected the ones we are born with, (inalienable).

[devo_stevo]

Many here and in this country have little knowledge as to what a right is--as guaranteed by the Constitution

The Constitution did not give citizens any rights, it merely protected the ones we are born with, (inalienable).
I'm with you on this. I am not in favor of gun bans. This is one of the things I disagree with Bernie about. He mentioned the assault weapon ban of '94 to '04. He seems to think that was so awesome. There is no evidence that it helped at all. The number of shootings didn't go down in any measurable way that can be attributed to the ban.

Like I said. It would be nice to be able to sit down and have a grown up conversation without everybody getting all butthurt because someone doesn't think just like you.

[oldno7]

The "right" to keep and bear arms



A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The conversation from this side, is and will always remain----shall not be infringed.

Theres solid history to back the thought process behind the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

To compare the United States to any other nation is non sequitur.

The 2nd amendment guarantees who we are and that we remain that way--Free.

All the talk and acceptance of socialism only draws more emphasis to the need for our 2nd amendment, to the Constitution.


Theres so many easy solutions to the violence problem and most are already law, which due to political correctness, we CHOOSE not to enforce.

[devo_stevo]

Theres so many easy solutions to the violence problem and most are already law, which due to political correctness, we CHOOSE not to enforce.
A-freaking-men to this. I haven't heard a single argument for a new law that would have prevented any of the shootings that we've had so far. Just enforce the laws that are already out there. We don't need more than we have already.

[tallsteve]

If you don't already follow John Correia, from Active Self Protection, on facebook and youtube, you should. Mostly he analyzes real-life defensive shooting videos. Here, he's discussing violent video game and psych meds in relation to violence. What he says here is the same conclusion I've come to after reading many of the studies he references.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi6HDIskBZs&fbclid=IwAR1v-00_WOLsssmXIbNDAYWFgSTuzT_NMLu_yLw4QsOOMohz3C_v7eg xJH0

[Iceaxe]

I understand the concept quite well actually, and never called for banning of guns. I just wish we'd be honest and admit that it's a tradeoff we are willing to make.

Now I see the flaw in your thinking!

As it's NOT a tradeoff that many are willing to make. And unless you can get 75% of the states to agree it's just not going to happen. What part of "Shall not be infringed" are you having trouble understanding?

I accept the risks, but maybe I'm just old school because I also accept personal responsibility. I prefer to have the security of my family and myself under my control and not that of others.

[Scott Card]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and theater goers, shoppers, concert goers, kindergartners and coworkers.
:nono: Well, Thomas Jefferson had it right by placing the "." after the word "tyrants." Your additions to this quote of adding theater goers, shoppers, concert goers, etc. creates a false moral equivalency (bad argument) to patriots and tyrants. Those two, patriots and tyrants, are moral opposites. One good, one bad. Adding your categories of people to the statement makes no sense and is not persuasive. Perhaps you meant to say "murderer" and "cop"? That would be more equivalent to tyrant and patriot. You may get a few tugs of the heart strings but your statement just doesn't fly.

Interesting thing about the real quote is that Thomas Jefferson also said that the blood of patriots and tyrants is the "natural manure" of the tree of liberty. Here is a piece of the letter from Jefferson to William Stevens Smith written shortly after the completion of the Constitution, but before any state had ratified it.

http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/100

[twotimer]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and theater goers, shoppers, concert goers, kindergartners and coworkers.And Thanos was right? Why the heck do you care? Generally I think you're a pretty cool guy, but you pooped all over your shoes with this one.

I was listening to Howard Stern about 30 years ago and he had one of Elvis Presley's bodyguards on. The guy told the story (apparently well know) about how when Priscilla divorced him and started dating Elvis's karate instructor, Elvis said to his "posse"..."I want him dead".

Well, it took about a week for these guys to find a legit hitman willing to do the job, but by that time, Elvis had calmed down and said "Forget it". He then said that if they had the killer quick, that karate dude would have been dead.

That's analogous to why we have the Three Day Waiting Period...which I think is probably a good idea. Gives a guy who walked in with the wife blowing the plumber time to chill. But he could just as well use a knife or a club?

The "Red Flag" laws might deny a few freaks their guns, but killings surely aren't going to stop. We can thank our liberal psycho media making sure the body count stays high...that's who I blame for this nonsense.

Trump will throw 'em a bone...that's all.

[dougrz]

I just wish we'd be honest and admit that it's a tradeoff we are willing to make. More guns = more freedom = more deaths.

But it doesn't. Juarez across the border from El Paso had 3000+ murders in 2016 vs El Paso's 17. With full on Mexican gun control. Violence is cultural.

I recall reading stats that showed subbing our minorities, the US murder rate is lower than Europe. Even with guns.

[dougrz]

Trump will throw 'em a bone...that's all.

If he does even a bone, I'll likely walk away. I will not accept being spit on by the corporate wing of the party. So the only unifying issue is corp tax cuts? Which I'm all for. But I care about immigration, the 2nd Am, and China trade as well. All of which the corp wing disagrees with me on. Half the coalition can't diss the other half when the serious chips are down and expect support for their cause anymore.

[oldno7]

Heres is a real cure for all of this

https://i.redd.it/xyj7axpjk2f31.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/oUx6tmK.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/ay8b9ffnhje31.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13081/1EBNnUVtXoAAGSon__2__jpg-1043701.JPG

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/v29v99ekvue31.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/1l1jrw5md3f31.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164879/67409001_731400167316802_363012216405884928_n_jpg-1046621.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241636/67737900_10220061644961617_2339891104754696192_n_j pg-1046689.JPG

[oldno7]

http://magaimg.net/img/8o2u.png

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/pv1zstg415f31.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^BTW, there wasn't a "Big drop in mass shooting deaths" during the assault weapons ban. That is a myth that is perpetuated by uneducated libtards.

There, I said it...

[twotimer]

Heres is a real cure for all of this

https://i.redd.it/xyj7axpjk2f31.pngI do this when I go on vacation...I don't pay attention to jack. However, after a few days I'll tire of music while I'm on the move and tune into NPR just to see what's going on.

I was on a road trip during the Kavanaugh thing...what a circus that was!

The problem with "just turning it off" is that if you invest, or are thinking of making moves like that, you must pay attention to what's going on...and then you're bombarded with the nonsense. Clicking it off is easier said than done.

[twotimer]

You're right Kurt...these "Red Flag" laws certainly are open for abuse. Once passed, that's it...and then when the Dems regain control they'll just expand on the already existing law. Those idiots did that with lead paint back in 2010...used the Chinese toy thing as an excuse.

Not familiar with the laws regarding lead paint on your house and what has to be done just to remodel? Everybody that owns a home built before 1978 got screwed. Better hope they don't find lead!

Seems reasonable though...considering these guys post up their intentions. I remember 5 or 6 years ago a black dude who was a teacher up at a school in Oregon?...he killed 6 or more people he had worked with. I think it was a hostage situation for a while?

Anyway, after it was all done the investigators discovered that he'd been posting about killing these people for a week on Facebook...but no one apparently saw it, because he literally had zero friends.

I won't abandon Trump if he throws them a bone...

[oldno7]

I'm open to someone being able to logically explain, how turning innocent citizens into criminals is something to strive for.

What if those who claim to represent "us", did that and not the criminals.

Somehow--the urge to do "something" equates to--lets just do the wrong thing...

[Iceaxe]

Red Flag laws are pure bullshit if they don't include due process.

If the laws do not include due process there is no doubt the Red Flag Laws will be misused.

:flag:

[twotimer]

Red Flag laws are pure bullshit if they don't include due process.


:flag:That may be exactly what Trump is throwing down right now..."Make these things friggin' air tight and MAYBE it's considerable, we're only after the psychos".

One or two things are going to happen here...something or nothing. If it's "something" then I would hope the Prez is thinking what I just wrote.

But then again, I learned a long time ago that if you expect other people to do what you would do, then you're going to be sorely disappointed. But every now and then wonderful exceptions do occur.

[Iceaxe]

Just throwing this out there....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190809/78d728701290d9754fc7f5f82c2b3795.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[twotimer]

Ahhh, yes...it is a complicated web, indeed. This whole thing just may blow over like the rest of them do.

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190809/903714a1648d1a1001da03f66cef9bed.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

They Will Still Hate You Even If You Disarm


Remember, everything the mainstream media tells you at the behest of the liberal elite is a lie and a scam designed to increase their power and wealth by diminishing your power and wealth. Global warming? It’s such a crisis that they need to fly their private jets to fabulous resorts to discuss how you must trade in your Ford Expedition for a Schwinn and how millions of people like you who support their families in the petroleum industry better learn to code. And now the crisis of two left-friendly mutants out of 335 million people means you need to be disarmed. Oh, and you’re also racists so you should be disenfranchised too.
CARTOONS (https://townhall.com/political-cartoons) | STEVE KELLEY (https://townhall.com/political-cartoons//)
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Weird how the liberal solution to every problem is always to make you less free.


https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/08/08/they-will-still-hate-you-even-if-you-disarm-n2551257

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could this be all or part?

IT'S THE MORALITY, STUPID


When he was 14 years old, William J. Murray was the plaintiff in one of the key anti-school prayer cases on behalf of his atheist mother, Madalyn Murray O’Hair. Today, Murray is a born-again Christian, (https://www.wnd.com/author/wmurray/) ruing the terrible decision and its consequences.
He once told me, “I would like people to take a look at the Baltimore public schools today versus what they were when I went to those schools in 1963 and my mother took prayer out of the schools. We didn’t have armed guards in the hallways then when we had God in the classroom. But I’ll guarantee you there are armed guards [now]. In fact, the city school system of Baltimore now has its own armed police force.”
We lack a fear of God in our land. Young people have no idea that after they die, they will have to give an account to Jesus, whom the founders called in the Declaration of Independence, “the Supreme Judge of the World.”

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/its-the-morality-stupid/#qqjUUGj17LPJzdxH.99

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[Sombeech]

Here's an interesting interview between Joe Rogan and Bernie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8rnLBylKOs

OK I watched and listened, I agree with Bernie on some points. But let's ban "assault weapons" and what happens to the 10 million that are out there already? This is what they don't get, you can ban all you want, they aren't fading into Thanos dust. Make them illegal, there are still 400 million guns owned by people right now.

Even Bernie says Law Enforcement could never come door to door and collect guns. Gun bans do NOTHING to eliminate guns.

[oldno7]

times---they are a changin'
Todays class of dems, would hate JFK!
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[rockgremlin]

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Omigosh this is hilarious! :roflol:

[oldno7]

Love that word....




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[Iceaxe]

This is what is wrong with current Red Flag laws....

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[Iceaxe]

It's already against the law in every state to shoot someone.... so how are more laws going to stop mass shootings?

[rockgremlin]

Hey Gang!! Kamala Harris to the rescue!!

Kamala wants to re-instate the assault weapons ban, among other things. :roll:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46615566/nra-singles-out-kamala-harris-for-ridiculous-gun-reform-plan

[Sombeech]

Assault Weapons ban [happens]

AR-15 rifles start to fade into dust, "Mr Stark I don't feel so good"

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[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

kids obviously crazy
#redflag 12 year olds

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little bit of language----but articulate, language:mrgreen:

Colion Noir


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=246&v=qtvjXc0lsbo

[Iceaxe]

^^^I have followed Colion Noir for years on YouTube. The guy is very bright and articulate along with being a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

Climb-Utah.com

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[Iceaxe]

Thankfully Armalite is an American company.

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[oldno7]

Joe Biden admits, he wants your ar-15


Colon Noir



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq4vPgyRQY8

[Iceaxe]

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[twotimer]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433230/54CD435A-51CD-4320-905D-D6AD65AD36A9-456789_JPG-1060581.JPGMy God, could you imagine experiencing this? Looking into a pit of bodies knowing that you'll soon be one of them. They were probably in a state of shock. I would imagine the ones who fought back were tortured to death...so it was better to take the bullet.

Every single one of us here has it made in the shade, man. And there's so many whinny, pissed off, gnarled out people that can't even appreciate it. Makes absolutely no sense to me.That's why I'm not liberal...there's too many of those in that camp.

[dougrz]

Every single one of us here has it made in the shade, man. And there's so many whinny, pissed off, gnarled out people that can't even appreciate it.

You've articulated the most basic characteristic of leftists. A deep unhappiness about life and ingratitude for this country. Which leads to their demands for radical change.

[oldno7]

Shooter Walks Free As Police Tackle, Arrest AR-15

LOS ANGELES, CA—There was an attempted shooting earlier today but luckily, the police were close by.

They managed to tackle the shooter's AR-15 to the floor. They pinned it to the ground and kicked it a few times for good measure, though it did not appear to be resisting arrest.
Bewildered, the shooter shrugged and slowly backed away.
"Honestly I was kinda hoping to make a name for myself," he told reporters later. "But they just blamed the gun. So... well, I guess I won't be famous after all."
"At this point, we aren't looking for any further suspects," an FBI official told reporters as the AR-15 was read its rights and hauled away in the back of a police cruiser. "It seems the AR-15 acted entirely of its own volition, without any human operator who might have behavioral or mental issues."

https://babylonbee.com/news/shooter-walks-free-as-police-tackle-arrest-ar-15

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[Iceaxe]

The Odessa, Texas shooter was a 2 time felon not allowed to own a gun, that didn’t stop him, #FakeNews is silent on that little fact.... why am I not surprised.

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[accadacca]

Walmart to no longer sell certain ammunition, ask customers to open carry in its stores

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/09/03/walmart-stop-selling-ammunition-call-congress-new-laws/2198475001/

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Walmart Discontinues Auto Part Sales To Prevent Car Accidents

BENTONVILLE, AR—In a bold move intended to curb the thousands of deaths from vehicles each and every day, Walmart has decided to stop selling auto parts, sources confirmed Tuesday.

According to shocking reports, people have purchased car parts at Walmart and then those cars have been involved in accidents, proving a direct correlation between selling auto parts and causing deaths.
"We can no longer be complicit in an industry that kills over 3,000 people a day," said a spokesperson for Walmart. "Every time we sell a muffler, steering wheel cover, or flame decal, we are potentially causing the death of a person, and we cannot er."support that any long

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[BruteForce]

And now, Walmart joins the PC crowd by caving to their employees pending protest and claiming to just want to help.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/walmart-to-stop-selling-ammunition-for-assault-style-weapons-11567530289

[rockgremlin]

For the sake of argument, let's assume all guns are outlawed all across the board....handguns, assault rifles, everything. But the mass shootings continue with outlawed guns.

What then? Who can the lefties blame then?

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For the sake of argument, let's assume all guns are outlawed all across the board....handguns, assault rifles, everything. But the mass shootings continue with outlawed guns.

What then? Who can the lefties blame then?

It's not blame they seek,rather unfettered control.

it is impossible to rule over and control an armed society.

[BasinCruiser]

(Gasp). Are you guys aware of the dreaded gun law loophole, that allowed a restricted person to buy an AR from a private seller, and then go on to commit a mass shooting? If only we required ALL gun sales to require a background check (gun registration), we could stop all of this madness. :facepalm1:



https://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-loophole-allowed-west-texas-mass-shooting-suspect/story?id=65363861

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[uintafly]

For the sake of argument, let's assume all guns are outlawed all across the board....handguns, assault rifles, everything. But the mass shootings continue with outlawed guns.

What then? Who can the lefties blame then?

What if they do stop?

[Sandstone Addiction]

Has anyone ever sold a firearm in a private sale and wondered what is going to happen after it walks out your door?

I always require at least a valid Utah Drivers Licence, prefer that the buyer have a valid Utah Concealed Carry permit, over 21, and buyer must sign a bill of sale with the buyers address on it. I've had a few sales go south when I asked them for their address which was fine with me. But, still I wonder if whatever I just sold is going to be on the news someday and investigators knocking on my door.

For that reason, I would actually like the ability to conduct a background check on buyers.

So, if the lawmakers "have to do something" they should do it right the first time. The Utah Shooting Sports Council had a solution that I believe would protect buyers and sellers and I support. They suggest that the local police departments be required to conduct background checks at the station for NO charge. And since the buyer is right there, if the person knowingly tries to purchase a firearm illegally, they could conveniently be arrested and prosecuted...unlike the current method of just walking out the door. No reason Unified Police or Sandy Police couldn't rent a table at the gun shows and do the same thing. Goodbye dreaded "Gun Show Loophole".

I do realize that this could potentially be just another stepping stone to tighter gun laws when it doesn't curb violence, but if they "have to do something" I think this makes the most sense.

What do y'all think?

[dougrz]

I do realize that this could potentially be just another stepping stone to tighter gun laws when it doesn't curb violence, but if they "have to do something" I think this makes the most sense.

What do y'all think?

It's the proviso which kills it for me. We know what they want in the end. But a more basic issue is this: why does a private sale need to go through a govt office? It's a constitutional right.

[Iceaxe]

What if they do stop?

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Good one! I just blew my afternoon whiskey out my nose...

[Iceaxe]

With all the gun control talk I have yet to hear one poloticition say how they are going to take guns away from criminals, they only say how they are going to take them away from law abiding citizens.

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[BasinCruiser]

Sandstone, in reading about how the Odessa shooter had failed a background check at an FFL, and then went to buy a rifle through a private, this very circumstance went through my mind. If victims’ families are trying to go after gun manufacturers who produced the guns that were used in these shootings, then it won’t be long til they go after whoever sold or otherwise produced the gun to the perp. What protection is there for a private gun seller if the gun they sell is then used in an illegal act?

i completely, categorically object to any kind of registers. It just opens the doors to even more tyranny, corruption, abuse, etc. I think, instead that we need stated protection that private gun sellers can’t be prosecuted or sued if they don’t reasonably have knowledge of the background, mental condition, or mindset of the person to which they sold their guns to.

It it almost makes you question, with the potential liability and issues, is it really worth the risk of selling a gun for the few hundred $ you’ll get for the potential of having your entire life turned upside down if that person then commits a crime with it?

I know now that there is insurance companies that specialize in protecting and representing you as a ccw carrier if you’re involved in a self pretection incident. Would they cover you also in a situation like this where the gun you sold someone was used to commit a crime?

[oldno7]

Colion----


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romney would be the first to raise his hand

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stupid facts...


Four years after allowing universal ‘concealed carry’ law, Maine rated the safest state in the nation for crime


Since 2015, residents of the state of Maine have been allowed to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit, and now the results are in: crime has fallen to the point where the state is now rated the safest in the nation from the threat of crime. The Maine Examiner reports:
When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.
One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.
Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.
They were wrong, as wrong as the San Francisco Board of Supervisors labeling the NRA a “terrorist organization (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/us/san-francisco-nra-terrorist.html).” And for the same reason, the notion that a physical object, not human beings, causes evil. The US News &World Report rankings of the safest states (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety) has named Maine as the safest state in the nation.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/four_years_after_allowing_universal_concealed_carr y_law_maine_rated_the_safest_state_in_the_nation_f or_crime.html

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This was likely done in satire. But, you know there are gun grabbing maniac liberals that will believe it.
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