Cue the Anti-AR15 Crowd in 3, 2, 1.....

[devo_stevo]

Then there is this video, apparently responding to those 3 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1weciiIKo

[Sombeech]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/llLHyJ1spEM/maxresdefault.jpg

[twotimer]

This whole thing is just a freak show. Try to imagine being one of these parents seeing these morons in charge of everything. My God. I have a saying that I frequently use...

"Everything in my life goes swimmingly well until I have to depend on other people". Yeah, I know it sounds cynical, but lowered expectations are what you really should expect.

Here's another one..."If you go thru life expecting other people to do what YOU would do, you're going to be sorely disappointed"...pleasant surprises do happen occasionally, though.

This Sheriffs Dept. reminds me of those bought off clowns in the movie "Walking Tall".

[rockgremlin]

Then there is this video, apparently responding to those 3 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1weciiIKo


Well, either the claims against him are patently false, or Sheriff Israel's wife is in a hopeless state of denial.

[devo_stevo]

Well, either the claims against him are patently false, or Sheriff Israel's wife is in a hopeless state of denial. Exactly. I really couldn't tell you who to believe anymore. I wasn't there and have no first hand knowledge of the event. It does appear that there is some bad blood between him and several other people that goes way back, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.

It's just nuts.

[Sombeech]

Then there is this video, apparently responding to those 3 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1weciiIKo


When the sheriff gets home from work, his wife comes to him with a surprise and says "Look what I did, I made a video defending you!"

Oh.... honey, you um, you didn't have to do that, you shouldn't have done that

[rockgremlin]

When the sheriff gets home from work, his wife comes to him with a surprise and says "Look what I did, I made a video defending you!"

Oh.... honey, you um, you didn't have to do that, you shouldn't have done that


A homemade video keeping you out of federal prison is the best anniversary present a wife could ever give.

How many foot massages and boxes of chocolates would be required to repay that debt?

[oldno7]

Time to ban the m1 garand, semi auto. Weapon of war since mid 1930


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ6Lh6IsNpQ

[oldno7]

ban revolvers--it's for the children---If ya can't do it with 6 shots...Nobody needs an 8-SHOT revolver..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM

[oldno7]

ban cowboy guns---cause


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uW1s3XbXL4

[oldno7]

,.,.

[devo_stevo]

Way to keep it classy. :facepalm1:

[oldno7]

Way to keep it classy. :facepalm1:

I'm open to criticism.. What part is over the line?

No one blamed the planes that flew into the World trade centers:ne_nau:

They were tools, used at the hands of madmen to achieve their goal.

[devo_stevo]

I get what you're saying. I understand and tend to agree with the sentiment. It just lacks taste. That is all.

[Iceaxe]

https://scontent.fslc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28238703_2129259127294929_9201051523825029879_o.pn g?oh=569829837c9a5a9aba7a56cc76cf127c&oe=5B4208E8

[oldno7]

I get what you're saying. I understand and tend to agree with the sentiment. It just lacks taste. That is all.

Thx.

Not looking for taste just showing hypocrisy from the left.

[twotimer]

I can get the bad taste part...but I didn't see it that way because it drives home the point of security. Aside from securing the schools, they actually have to kill the guy that got in and is murdering people. That's gonna take people with guns, period.

I'm all for armed teachers...but they need to hit the range at least once a month and score well. Have some training on entering a room that's being brutalized. It's fight or flight...we don't want them shaking themselves silly and dropping the gun or shooting all over the place like Pulp Fiction.

It would be nice to have some cops that don't run chicken shit, too. I certainly understand that running into a building to assassinate someone (or somebody's) is pretty damn heavy...But don't take the job unless you can go all animal.

Pretty heavy stuff, killing people. Even if it's to kill a killer. Better make sure you've got your shit together.

[Iceaxe]

You guys do know that Utah teachers and anyone else with a CCP has been able to carry on utah campuses for several years now don't you?

I know several teachers that carry, but the real deterrent is Utah schools are not soft targets. Anyone entering with the intent of harm has no clue where the resistance will come from.

I'm pretty happy with Utah's approach to the problem and best of all it costs taxpayers zero. YMMV

[oldno7]

.,.,.

[accadacca]

What do you think of Georgia's lawmaker telling Delta that if it stops giving discounted fares for NRA members, Georgia will take away Delta's tax breaks on fuel? Delta is the largest employer in the state.

[Sombeech]

You guys do know that Utah teachers and anyone else with a CCP has been able to carry on utah campuses for several years now don't you?

I know several teachers that carry, but the real deterrent is Utah schools are not soft targets. Anyone entering with the intent of harm has no clue where the resistance will come from.

I'm pretty happy with Utah's approach to the problem and best of all it costs taxpayers zero. YMMV

Yeah, I used to carry when I worked in the schools. A few principals told me they supported it too. Some superintendents and principals tell their employees NOT to carry. It's really not their call, though they think it is.

So the whole idea that we can get legislation to allow teachers and school employees to carry concealed, it's not needed, guns are already in Utah schools. We don't hear much about it because they're doing it the right way, concealed, that's the idea, nobody knows.

I do have to chuckle at the hysteria from some on the Left, freaking out because teachers are going to be forced to carry guns. Can you imagine somebody being forced to carry a gun against their will? ha ha ha ha

[Sombeech]

What do you think of Georgia's lawmaker telling Delta that if it stops giving discounted fares for NRA members, Georgia will take away Delta's tax breaks on fuel? Delta is the largest employer in the state.

It will be interesting to see how the Left views this tax break for Delta on fuel. Is Delta part of the group of evil rich corporations that need to pay more in taxes, or are they the good guys and they deserve the tax break because of their NRA stance. The "raise 'em taxes" group is in a pickle on this one, what way are they going to swing on Delta's tax cuts?

[accadacca]

Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines and require gun buyers to be 21

[uintafly]

It will be interesting to see how the Left views this tax break for Delta on fuel. Is Delta part of the group of evil rich corporations that need to pay more in taxes, or are they the good guys and they deserve the tax break because of their NRA stance. The "raise 'em taxes" group is in a pickle on this one, what way are they going to swing on Delta's tax cuts?

Nice little strawman you've built there. If the caricature of the left that you and many on this board have created was anywhere near reality I'd hate them too.

The dipshit politician in Georgia though does highlight how stupid politicians can be. What you have is a guy threatening to use the government to harm a company because they won't offer discounts to another non government organization that he happens to support. Plenty of companies still offer discounts to NRA members. Should gun control states start taxing them higher?

[Sombeech]

Nice little strawman you've built there. If the caricature of the left that you and many on this board have created was anywhere near reality I'd hate them too.

It's a valid question though, right? Those that want the rich corporations to pay more taxes, where do they stand on this topic?

Unfortunately, most people can't think for themselves nowadays. They see questions like this and they need to refer to their favorite TV show, news outlet, radio show, and/or facebook political groups before they can make a decision themselves.

That's a tough question and I don't know the answer, what does ____________ think about it? I'll rely on their expertise in the matter and then I'll fortify my newfound position on this topic.

This goes for both Left and Right. So many people hear a new political topic and don't know which side they are on until they listen to their old reliable guidance counselors to find out what their own opinion should be. This is why so many people flip flop on illegal immigration. When Obama is president, we've got all kinds of statements by he and his administration about how illegals need to be stopped, prosecuted, build a wall, etc... but now that Trump says the same thing, the opinion changes on the matter.

[Scott P]

Those that want the rich corporations to pay more taxes, where do they stand on this topic?

If they (anyone from any side) did so only because the company refused favors or discounts for anyone who happened to share political beliefs of the politician, that would be wrong no matter who did it. That would be different than raising (or decreasing) tax rates across the board and for all companies.


When Obama is president, we've got all kinds of statements by he and his administration about how illegals need to be stopped, prosecuted, build a wall,

When did Obama say a wall should be built?

[oldno7]

He did advocate for stronger fences.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4hY1KDdozQ

[Iceaxe]

When did Obama say a wall should be built?

The great and mighty Bill Clinton did. The law the judge upheld yesterday supporting Trump was actually a law requested by Clinton and passed so his administration could build the initial wall south of San Diego.

[oldno7]

Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines and require gun buyers to be 21

Dicks is simply running a business based off risk/reward, in an attempt to improve profits--Capitalism

They believe they will get higher returns by eliminating an item, I favor the ability to make such choices--capitalism.

I don't agree with their decision and will choose not to spend my money there--Capitalism

[Iceaxe]

Funny.... but I noticed Dick's owned Field and Stream stores are still selling AR-15's and high capacity mags. This is nothing but semantics to try to appease the Subaru driving, tree hugging, rock licking libtards to keep shopping there since we all know they don’t shop at Field and Stream.

[oldno7]

,,..,,

[Iceaxe]

^^^I'll take the 7th grade math teacher protecting me in an active shooter situation over no protection at all... and I'm betting just about everyone that found themselves in such a situation would agree...

[Sombeech]

When did Obama say a wall should be built?

This is strange, it's not like it was 50 years ago, I mean look at this shee-hat. WTF

This comes down to the practice I mentioned prior, many of these same people cannot form their own opinion, or they don't dare to. First they must hear a topic, and then find out what "their side" says about it, then they will gladly take up a stronghold position on where the party does. These aren't independent thinkers. It's like the husband asking his wife if it's ok to laugh or clap at something.

I'm not accusing you, Scott, of this. You're clearly independent an intelligent enough to form your own opinion without the need to check if you're in line with your familiar sources. But man oh man, we sure do see this growing on both sides.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u3nKXwDRE

[Scott P]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/metro/blue/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Scott P http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/metro/blue/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?p=594574#post594574)
When did Obama say a wall should be built?



This is strange, it's not like it was 50 years ago, I mean look at this shee-hat. WTF

Yes, I already know about all that. I was asking about Obama specifically, not Hillary, Bill, etc. Where did he ever say a wall should be built?

Obama did vote for a fence even during the Bush Administration. Here is the bill:

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

Yes, Obama has said much about immigration and securing our borders. Here is what he said in 2014:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/20/remarks-president-address-nation-immigration

Still, I am not aware of Obama ever saying a wall should be built. I know he has said a fence, tighter security, etc. I did phrase it in the form of a question just in case there was an off chance that he did say we should build a wall and I wasn't aware of it, but I still haven't ever seen/heard anything pertaining to building a wall from Obama. In the video you posted, he doesn't say anything about a wall. In the video makes statements about a fence, security at the borders, etc., but not the wall.

(PS, I'm not picking on you; I only questioned one statement).

And, yes, I already know that both sides are hypocritical. Pick your video:

https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+hypocrisy&rlz=1C1CHVN_enUS584US584&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje7a-quMrZAhVK5GMKHWltBTIQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1280&bih=709

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHVN_enUS584US584&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=vid&ei=D5aXWoG4C8zUjwP18KH4Ag&q=democrat+hypocrisy&oq=democrat+hypocrisy&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i20i263k1j0l3.50575.52280.0.52617.8.8.0.0.0 .0.145.768.6j2.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.8.764...0i7i30k1j0i7i5i30k1j0i8i7i30k1j0i8i3 0k1j0i13k1.0.vyuhSZlLYE8

[accadacca]

Walmart bans gun sales to anyone under 21 after Parkland, Florida school shooting

[rockgremlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u3nKXwDRE


I strictly oppose building a wall between U.S. and Mexico. Not because I believe it's immoral, but because quite simply it's an incredibly expensive and horribly ineffective option that just won't work -- at least not the way Trump believes it will.

Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars devoted to building something that almost any motivated Mexican can thwart or avoid with ease. No thanks.

[Scott P]

I strictly oppose building a wall between U.S. and Mexico. Not because I believe it's immoral, but because quite simply it's an incredibly expensive and horribly ineffective option that just won't work -- at least not the way Trump believes it will.

Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars devoted to building something that almost any motivated Mexican can thwart or avoid with ease. No thanks.

I agree. Further, most illegals are those who overextend their visas.

[Sombeech]

I agree. Further, most illegals are those who overextend their visas.

So only a minimal amount of illegals will be affected by the wall then?

[Scott P]

So only a minimal amount of illegals will be affected by the wall then?

Some will be affected, but most won't.

As with Rockgremlin my opposition to the wall is the cost. It seems like a huge waste, especially for the reasons mentioned.

[Iceaxe]

So only a minimal amount of illegals will be affected by the wall then?

The wall is a lot more than just illegal aliens, it's also about drug interdiction and controlling your borders among other things.

I don't know exactly what the answer is but there are certainly places that a border wall makes sense.... or... you can deal with the problems that come with an open border, pick your poison.

https://i2.wp.com/www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Mexico-border.jpg

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kcur/files/styles/x_large/public/201706/Nogalesborderwall_flickruserRyanBavetta.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^Looks like:


San Diego/Tijuana


Nogales/Heroic Nogales

[Iceaxe]

San Diego/Shit Hole

Nogales/Shit Hole

FTFY

:cool2:

[Iceaxe]

https://i.imgflip.com/sg5f5.jpg

[twotimer]

There's all kinds of nasty shit coming over the border. I think these walls and tighter security is a must. I'm mostly concerned with terrorists or agents of other nations just getting right in. I think we've been dodging a bullet with out southern border for a long time. We've got a third world/corrupt nation right next door that might soon be getting a lot more socialist...meaning even more jacked up. Check out the politics down there.

[Scott P]

I'm mostly concerned with terrorists or agents of other nations just getting right in.

Terrorists are more likely to enter through Canada.

From Mexico, drugs are a much bigger problem.


We've got a third world/corrupt nation right next door

Corrupt, yes; third world, no. By world standards, Mexico is fairly rich country.

[twotimer]

Terrorists are more likely to enter through Canada.

From Mexico, drugs are a much bigger problem.



Corrupt, yes; third world, no. By world standards, Mexico is fairly rich country.Canada huh? What makes you say that?

When is the last time you were in Mexico? Did you travel outside the touristy areas? I was in La Paz in January and it's a shithole. There is fun, outdoorsy stuff to do there, but the city is a filthy mess away from where the gringos hang out. Yes, I know you've traveled the world and are infinitely wise with these things. Perhaps our eyeballs interpret things differently.

No need to respond to what I just said, Scott. Please ignore the question marks as I'm not interested in your focused on minutiae Professor Peterson opinion. I'm for "The Wall"...period.

[Scott P]

Canada huh? What makes you say that?

Would you believe Fox News?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10/17/with-focus-on-mexico-border-criminals-terrorists-may-be-entering-via-canada.html

It's a lot easier for terrorists to cross the Canadian border than the Mexican one.


When is the last time you were in Mexico? Did you travel outside the touristy areas?

I was there in November. See the trip log:

https://www.summitpost.org/2017-trip-log/992318

Before that, the next most recent trip was 11 months earlier. See the December trip log:

https://www.summitpost.org/2016-trip-log/963348

The only touristy area we visited was the Aztec pyramids. We almost never go to touristy areas.


Perhaps our eyeballs interpret things differently.

Of course they do. Perspective. I was comparing Mexico to the World rather than just to the US. Mexico is not as developed as the US, but it's far more developed than much of the world and far cleaner and more developed than it was in the early 1990's, which when I started going there.

Also, the neighborhoods I grew up in and that my parents still live in aren't any better than an average neighborhood in Mexico.

A lot of illegal immigrants cross the border into Mexico because the standard of living is higher there than it is in places such as Guatemala and Honduras. A lot of counties in latin America consider Mexico to be a "rich" country.

So to sum it up, Mexico is not as developed as the US. It is still more developed than much of the world.

I still wouldn't want to live in much of Mexico because of the corruption and crime rates in many of the areas. If corruption could be curtailed, it would be a much better place.



No need to respond to what I just said, Scott.

Too bad; I responded anyway. :bootyshake:

[twotimer]

A wall, a fence, a moat full of alligators...whatever. Just build it.

How does that work with your logical detail? Different eyeballs, indeed.

[uintafly]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/business/2018/03/02/major-retailers-boycott-utah-outdoor-gear-company-over-guns/

Looks like no more Camelback, Gyro or Bell at REI for a while. The funny thing about boycotts like this is how few independent brands there actually are in the outdoor industry. A huge portion of the brands are just subsidiaries of larger investment firms. If REI started digging into all of their suppliers I would bet they would find a lot worse connections than ammunition sellers.

[tallsteve]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/business/2018/03/02/major-retailers-boycott-utah-outdoor-gear-company-over-guns/

Looks like no more Camelback, Gyro or Bell at REI for a while. The funny thing about boycotts like this is how few independent brands there actually are in the outdoor industry. A huge portion of the brands are just subsidiaries of larger investment firms. If REI started digging into all of their suppliers I would bet they would find a lot worse connections than ammunition sellers.

REI needs to understand that boycott's work both ways and that many of their customer base are gun supporters and very well may boycott them in return. I'll start. I won't be buying anything from REI.

[oldno7]

From Kentucky Governor--Matt Bevin.

I don't think he is wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=475&v=F6XTVuUP0Ho

[gholt]

Well spoken. He is point on.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

[oldno7]

I'll go on record, though, and state these war/crime in the street games are fine with competent parents there to supervise.

But for a outcast, single parent kid, they are his bible and separating real life from fiction isn't possible.

In my view--depends on the kid, depends on the family or lack there of.

[Iceaxe]

What do you think of Georgia's lawmaker telling Delta that if it stops giving discounted fares for NRA members, Georgia will take away Delta's tax breaks on fuel? Delta is the largest employer in the state.BOOM!!!

Delta's dumbass knee jerk reaction will now cost them millions of dollars. There is a good lesson to be learned from this.... Don't make big decisions based on emotions at the moment. If Delta had of made this choice several weeks removed from the Florida shooting, or just declined to renew when the next contract came due, no one would have really batted an eye.

Georgia scraps Delta tax break after NRA split.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/02/georgia-governor-signs-bill-nixing-delta-tax-break-after-nra-split.html

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

[uintafly]

BOOM!!!

Delta's dumbass knee jerk reaction will now cost them millions of dollars. There is a good lesson to be learned from this.... Don't make big decisions based on emotions at the moment. If Delta had of make this choice several weeks removed from the Florida shooting, or just declined to renew when the next contract came due, no one would have really batted an eye.

Georgia scraps Delta tax break after NRA split.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/02/georgia-governor-signs-bill-nixing-delta-tax-break-after-nra-split.html

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

Sweet, just what we need, the government giving and taking economic tax incentives out based on the political leanings of the companies! What could possible go wrong?

[devo_stevo]

Sweet, just what we need, the government giving and taking economic tax incentives out based on the political leanings of the companies! What could possible go wrong?
Yep. Pretty much fool proof. Until the next governor, or president, has a different ideology and goes the other way on these issues. Then they're dictators and all that.

Any time you give someone the power to do something, you also give the next guy the same power. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.

[Iceaxe]

Guns 101...

https://youtu.be/G1pFQUKO9ks

[Iceaxe]

Sweet, just what we need, the government giving and taking economic tax incentives out based on the political leanings of the companies! What could possible go wrong?

Hey... all I'm saying is knee jerk reactions are never well thought out and always come back to bite you in the ass...

Delta is paying for a knee jerk reaction right now, I'm betting GA will pay for their knee jerk reaction somewhere down the road.

[Iceaxe]

FWIW - Delta's decision to take away the NRA discount for members flying to the national convention will cost them $38 million.

Delta had only sold 13 NRA discounted tickets.

[hank moon]

....

[accadacca]

"We believe that it is the job of companies that manufacture and sell guns and ammunition to work towards common sense solutions that prevent the type of violence that happened in Florida last month." —REI

[Iceaxe]

REI was just added to my never visit again list.

[oldno7]

Dont do facebook but was sent this link.

I stand with this guy

https://www.facebook.com/NickFreitasVA/videos/1575471789187997/?t=1

[oldno7]

Tallsteve, given that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to keep and bear — but not to acquire — arms, I wonder at the strong reaction against modest attempts to reduce the sale of certain firearms? .

Let me get this straight--It's o.k. to type mis information on the computer---BUT you cannot acquire a computer to do such?:crazy:

You can sit down and wright an essay on paper, with a pen--- BUT you cannot acquire paper and pen?:roflol:

You can freely exercise your freedom of Religion--BUT you can't acquire a church:2thumbs:

You can go ahead and hand out newspapers---BUT you can't have a printing press.

You can stand in front of a camera and recite your version of the news---BUT you can't have a tv station.

You can stand around on streets and protest, with SIGNS---BUT--you can't acquire SIGNS.

[middlefork]

"We believe that it is the job of companies that manufacture and sell guns and ammunition to work towards common sense solutions that prevent the type of violence that happened in Florida last month." —REI

And therein lies the problem. Did they suggest any? No. Why not? because they can't come up with any that will make a difference.

21 and over to purchase. How many mass shooters are over the 21 year age limit?
Expanded back ground checks. They passed the current ones or the system failed to identify them.
Magazine limits are ridiculous it is just a matter of a little practice to switch out magazine no matter how many cartridges they hold.

For sure let's hear all those common sense solutions and how they apply the the current situation.

[Iceaxe]

Dont do facebook but was sent this link.

I stand with this guy

https://www.facebook.com/NickFreitasVA/videos/1575471789187997/?t=1This guy uses facts, reason and commonsense.... The left will never listen to a word he says.

[Iceaxe]

given that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to keep and bear — but not to acquire — arms,

Without a doubt this is one of the most dumbass posts I have ever read...

...so now you are trying to tell me freedom of the press is OK, but we can outlaw selling the ink and paper required to print.

You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.

[hank moon]

....

[Iceaxe]

^^^You reworded the same dumbass remark... got it.

So now you're saying you have no right to be able to acquire paper and ink... Just keep inserting paper and ink for guns and ammo and you will understand what a dumbass those who support the Constition think you are.

***insert eyeroll here***

[oldno7]

That is not at all what I meant, so let me re-word:

The 2nd guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. This implies that any arms that you already own, you can keep and bear. And you can buy guns if you can afford them. It does not guarantee that you will be able to acquire them.

As to "arms" - today this is largely meant to mean "guns" Note that switchblade knives (for example) are much more highly regulated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade#State_laws) than guns, yet arguably less of a threat. Not enough interest for an "NSA," I reckon.

Yet, it is EXACTLY what you wrote.

You can buy beer, too, IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, then go drive into someone and kill them while drunk.

And you wonder why the common folks grows tired of you socialist with no clue as to what you talk about.

I'm so relieved you are able to tell us what the 2nd amendment says--"today".

I'll stick with it's original content--it has been backed by Supreme court rulings.

Oh--and today, freedom of the press, is "largely meant to mean" inkwells and quills, right?

[Iceaxe]

Freedom of the press most certainly does NOT cover computers and the internet because the founding fathers could never have dreamed of such items.

/End Sarcasm

[twotimer]

And therein lies the problem. Did they suggest any? No. Why not? because they can't come up with any that will make a difference.

21 and over to purchase. How many mass shooters are over the 21 year age limit?
Expanded back ground checks. They passed the current ones or the system failed to identify them.
Magazine limits are ridiculous it is just a matter of a little practice to switch out magazine no matter how many cartridges they hold.

For sure let's hear all those common sense solutions and how they apply the the current situation.KABOOM!!!

[Iceaxe]

So I was curious if any other country has the right to keep and bear arms similar to the US, and the answer is NO.

There is no other country where citizen are as free to own and use firearms, in this regard the US is truly unique.

Only 3 counties have the right to keep and bear arms written into their constitions, the US, Mexico and Guatemala. The latter two have constitutional restrictions.

The US is the only country with the right to keep and bear arms with no constitutional restrictions.

Six other countries used to have the constitutional right to keep and bear arms but those rights have since been rescinded.

In all other counties gun ownership is at the government's pleasure.

[Scott P]

You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.

Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.

In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats. Trump has said several times that he wants to change the Constitution.

Most politicians (or so it seems) want to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they choose to follow, despite their oaths.

[Iceaxe]

Trump has said several times that he wants to change the Constitution.


Unless something has changed that I don't know about the president has zero power to change the Constition as that power is delegated to Congress.

I also see nothing wrong with discussing changes to our government, just call me when any of the hairbrained ideas discuss by either side begin to gain any serious traction.

[Scott P]

Unless something has changed that I don't know about the president has zero power to change the Constition as that power is delegated to Congress.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that he didn't/doesn't want to change it. Trump has said several times that he does, especially concerning the 14th Amendment on Birthright Citizenship. One of his campaign promises was to end Birthright Citizenship.

Obviously, it was a dead promise since it would require Congress to change the Constitution to do so, but it doesn't mean that he didn't say that he wanted to do it.

I would post links and videos (including from Fox News), but I'm pretty sure that you can find them yourself and I am pretty sure that you have already heard him say so in debates.

[Iceaxe]

So Trump is a normal human being?!?!?

I'm sure there are changes to the Constition we would all like to make if given the opportunity.

But what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

FWIW - I'd like to see a term limit amendment.

[Scott P]

So Trump is a normal human being?!?!?

I'm sure there are changes to the Constition we would all like to make if given the opportunity.

Which bring us back to your quote:

You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.

[Iceaxe]

Which bring us back to your quote:

You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.Supporting the Constitution has nothing to do where with wanting change so long as you support and uphold what is.

[Iceaxe]

For example.... I've never seen Trump fail to support the 14th amendment or attempt to undermine it.

Too bad the same can not be said for Obama and the 2nd.

Now my question... why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?

[twotimer]

Now my question... why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?Yeah, it's kinda frustrating. It's like they want to pummel you with your own words by bypassing the gist of what your saying. Blowing right past little hidden meanings, double entendres and such.

It's hard being friends with folks that do that...you never know when they'll call you out on the way you phrase things. It's rude and condescending...I tend to avoid people who have that habit.

[Scott P]

For example.... I've never seen Trump fail to support the 14th amendment or attempt to undermine it.

Maybe so, but I didn't say that he did. I said that he promised that he would (which was obviously a dead promise). It seems that you are twisting what I said.

[Iceaxe]

Yawn... we're back to a liberal spinning semantics.

Do we really need to define the meaning of the word "it" every time we use it in a post?

How about you make yourself useful and answer my question "why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?"

[Scott P]

"why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?"

Probably because they are human. Also, conservatives do the same thing; don't say that they don't. You did an OK job in clarifying your position before the ranting part.

Trump is just a side note though. I still stand by my original statement:

Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.

In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats.

So, you answered with:

Supporting the Constitution has nothing to do where with wanting change so long as you support and uphold what is.

I accept and agree with that statement. We are in agreement. Our real disagreement is that (if not, feel free to correct me) you are implying (and have implied several times in the past) that it is only liberals who are trying to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support and follow. I disagree with this and say that it is both sides.

I can further expand my statement above from the below:

Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.

In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats.

To:

Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time. In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats. As far as I have seen recent years, they have also been caught undermining or failing to support the Constitution more than Democrats.

Do you agree or disagree with this statement? If you disagree why?

I can start by pointing out why I feel that way. I'll start with the separation of Church and State. There have been many court ruling against many conservative politicians on the Separation of Church and State.

Further, there are still seven states in the US that have laws saying that atheists can't run for office. Six of those states are conservative. Is this Constitutional?

You can call me a flip flopper, but in recent years I have actually changed my viewpoints on some issues because I read the Constitution more often. One of those issues is gay marriage. Anyone can read my past Bogley post on the issue and see that I was strongly against gay marriage and making it legal. Obviously, gay marriage hasn't somehow become anymore appealing to me, but reading the Constitution only, and not other sources including my own thoughts and opinions, I just didn't/don't see how it can/should be banned. So, I changed my position.

So, if you disagree with my statements, convince me that what I said wasn't true. Unlike many, I am willing to change my positions if I find out that I am wrong.

Do you disagree or agree with my bolded statement above and why?

[Iceaxe]

^^^I disagree with your bold comment because part of it is just wrong or incorrect.

There is nothing wrong with proposing changes to our constitution as that is how it was written and designed to work.

On the other hand the Democrats numerous attempts to undermine the 2nd Amendment are disgraceful.

And I'm not happy with either parties abuse of the 4th Amendment.

[Iceaxe]

Word!
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[accadacca]

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[Iceaxe]

^^^The grammar and spelling used in that meme is atrocious.

:nono:

[rockgremlin]

^^^The grammar and spelling used in that meme is atrocious.

:nono:


:roflol: Oh, Mr. Axe -- When it comes to spelling and grammar errors you're one of the worst offenders on this site. :lol8:

[accadacca]

Yeah, I only scanned it and took a screenshot. Funny though that the hippies are still selling it.

[Iceaxe]

I happy I'm not branded as a coward before the entire nation, I imagine that's got to be difficult to live with, or maybe cowards are just happy to be alive and don't really give a shit.

Cop who didn't enter school during shooting lied about thinking gunshots were coming from outside.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/09/cop-who-didnt-enter-florida-school-during-shooting-apparently-lied-about-thinking-gunshots-outside.html

[Iceaxe]

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[Sombeech]

See if you can spot me and some of my footage :cool2:

This is my wife's Australian cousin Zoe Daniel. Shane is my brother in law. Parts of this special are shot at Impact Guns in Ogden, and then up in Honeyville, a couple of weeks ago.


http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/why-a-teacher-with-a-concealed-gun-believes-he-can/9564788

[accadacca]

From the Outdoor Show in SLC over the weekend...

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[tallsteve]

From the Outdoor Show in SLC over the weekend...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180320/71315b64fbfd31d426836b7ed2ed6f94.jpg

Haha! In Utah, if caught, it's the equivalent to a parking ticket. I'd take that risk any day.

[rockgremlin]

^^^Yeah, I'm willing to bet that there were a lot of concealed carriers in spite of the posted rules.

[devo_stevo]

It's funny. Every year on the 4th of July, there is a guy here in Brigham City that crawls out of his parent's basement and shows up at the park where they do their fireworks display with an AR-15 on his back. The dude struts around in his flag/wolf shirt with that thing just to show off all of his freedom.

While I don't mind him carrying a gun, and I support his right to do so, he looks like a real tool. Also, if something were to go down, he'd be the first guy taken out. Seems the concealed carry idea works better for actual protection. I don't get the idea that he does this for protection though as much as he does it for attention.

[rockgremlin]

Another high school shooting just this morning in Maryland. Three injured.


https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46284004&nid=157&title=sheriff-official-3-injured-in-maryland-high-school-shooting


Possible copy cat? :ne_nau:

[Iceaxe]

Utah governor signs bill allowing locks on classroom doors
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46283746&nid=157

[devo_stevo]

Geez. So sad. It sounds like everyone's still alive at the time of that story being written. Hope it stays that way.

[tallsteve]

It's funny. Every year on the 4th of July, there is a guy here in Brigham City that crawls out of his parent's basement and shows up at the park where they do their fireworks display with an AR-15 on his back. The dude struts around in his flag/wolf shirt with that thing just to show off all of his freedom.

While I don't mind him carrying a gun, and I support his right to do so, he looks like a real tool. Also, if something were to go down, he'd be the first guy taken out. Seems the concealed carry idea works better for actual protection. I don't get the idea that he does this for protection though as much as he does it for attention.

Yeah, that's just dumb. While I support his right to do so, it's not smart. I don't get the guys parading around advertising that they have guns. Other than here, I don't post my gun stuff on social media for the most part. I don't want people to know what I have and how much I'm armed. I also would never put all kinds of gun related decals on my vehicle. It's just an invite to thieves. Gun decals on a vehicle says to me that there's something gun related inside. It may not be a gun but, maybe a nice rangefinder or several boxes of ammo.

[rockgremlin]

Yeah, that's just dumb. While I support his right to do so, it's not smart. I don't get the guys parading around advertising that they have guns. Other than here, I don't post my gun stuff on social media for the most part. I don't want people to know what I have and how much I'm armed. I also would never put all kinds of gun related decals on my vehicle. It's just an invite to thieves. Gun decals on a vehicle says to me that there's something gun related inside. It may not be a gun but, maybe a nice rangefinder or several boxes of ammo.


Not to mention "gun whackos" just paint those of us who are responsible and moderate in a bad light, and only serve to further polarize the issue. Just because I support the second amendment doesn't mean I think we should all celebrate the ability to parade an assault rifle in front of the masses. It's stupid and accomplishes nothing. Plus it frightens some people and pisses off many more.

[devo_stevo]

Not to mention "gun whackos" just paint those of us who are responsible and moderate in a bad light, and only serve to further polarize the issue. Just because I support the second amendment doesn't mean I think we should all celebrate the ability to parade an assault rifle in front of the masses. It's stupid and accomplishes nothing. Plus it frightens some people and pisses off many more.
Agreed. Like I said, the guy looks like a real idiot. And yes, it makes a LOT of people uncomfortable. I've had to explain to each of my kids as they get old enough to notice this guy that he might be within the law, but that doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. There's a right way and a wrong way to bring attention to an issue.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[Sombeech]

It's funny. Every year on the 4th of July, there is a guy here in Brigham City that crawls out of his parent's basement and shows up at the park where they do their fireworks display with an AR-15 on his back. The dude struts around in his flag/wolf shirt with that thing just to show off all of his freedom.

I'll bet I know exactly what his Kenny Powers sunglasses look like too.

He's so ready to make eye contact with anybody, ready to spout that memorized line of law and constitution to anybody that questions him, while holding out his cell phone in VERTICAL video mode.

Heavy breathing

Fast talking, sweating. Walking the same pattern while having nowhere to go.

And disappointed he couldn't "own" a cop on video at the end of the day.

[Sombeech]

Utah governor signs bill allowing locks on classroom doors
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46283746&nid=157

Yeah he may not know that all of the classrooms I've ever worked in already have doors that lock. Heavy doors too.

And some teachers in Utah already carry concealed.

I just hope they don't waste any of our money "allowing teachers to start carrying concealed in Utah". Knee jerk reactions miss the existing circumstances.

[oldno7]

I'll bet I know exactly what his Kenny Powers sunglasses look like too.

He's so ready to make eye contact with anybody, ready to spout that memorized line of law and constitution to anybody that questions him, while holding out his cell phone in VERTICAL video mode.

Heavy breathing

Fast talking, sweating. Walking the same pattern while having nowhere to go.

And disappointed he couldn't "own" a cop on video at the end of the day.

So he's a democrat?:ne_nau:

[devo_stevo]

I'll bet I know exactly what his Kenny Powers sunglasses look like too.

He's so ready to make eye contact with anybody, ready to spout that memorized line of law and constitution to anybody that questions him, while holding out his cell phone in VERTICAL video mode.

Heavy breathing

Fast talking, sweating. Walking the same pattern while having nowhere to go.

And disappointed he couldn't "own" a cop on video at the end of the day.So you've seen him before. That pretty much nails it.

[Sombeech]

So you've seen him before. That pretty much nails it.

I haven't, yet I've got a crystal clear image in my mind.

[rockgremlin]

Geez. So sad. It sounds like everyone's still alive at the time of that story being written. Hope it stays that way.


One dead so far. And I think the shooter was killed as well.

[accadacca]

BTW...Utah just passed a new law to allow locks on school classroom doors.

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[rockgremlin]

A recent example in the news of how guns were used successfully to disarm a very bad situation. This crazy baseball bat wielding dude was put in check by two bystanders packing heat:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46284185&nid=148


Examples like this are swept under the rug by most media outlets.

[tallsteve]

A recent example in the news of how guns were used successfully to disarm a very bad situation. This crazy baseball bat wielding dude was put in check by two bystanders packing heat:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46284185&nid=148


Examples like this are swept under the rug by most media outlets.

And, according to Utah law, they could have shot the guy.

[oldno7]

,,,,,

[devo_stevo]

I am not surprised, but I'm saddened a bit by the utter lack of news coverage for the shooting in Maryland yesterday. It's hard to ignore the horrible bias of the major news outlets when an armed officer saves a lot of innocent lives by using a gun, and there is nearly complete silence. I guess the NRA was right. No big body count and no horrible news, so they just don't care.

[oldno7]

A sheriff hero with a gun, did exactly what he was trained to do.

Saved many childrens lifes, no doubt.

A VERY stark contrast to the broward cowards.

[oldno7]

,.,.,.,

[oldno7]

,.,,.,

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

I could have set up stands selling Tide Pods at these marches and made millions off these Kardashian worshiping, Starbucks addicted, everyone gets a trophy, liberal media believing, live at home with mommy, safe place needing, offended at everything sheep kids.
[emoji207] [emoji23][emoji383]


Utah marchers convene to support nationwide push for safer schools, gun control
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46287188&nid=960

[rockgremlin]

^^^ Ding, ding!! Today's group of kids lobbying to change gun laws are the same ones that eat Tide pods and think Facebook is a reliable news source.

[Iceaxe]

Well there it is... the dumbest thing I've seen all year.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180326/88d202f9ea655ddf4070af9a3ce34fb5.jpg

[devo_stevo]

Wowsers

[rockgremlin]

Well there it is... the dumbest thing I've seen all year.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180326/88d202f9ea655ddf4070af9a3ce34fb5.jpg


:roll: Oh brother...

You could say that on December 31st, and it would still be the dumbest thing you've seen all year.

[twotimer]

Don't worry sweetheart, the Gestapo will take care of everything.

I'd bet ten grand she has no idea what that is.

[oldno7]

,.,.,

[tallsteve]

I like this article: http://www.breachbangclear.com/why-i-am-pro-gun-essential-liberty/

[rockgremlin]

I like this article: http://www.breachbangclear.com/why-i-am-pro-gun-essential-liberty/


That is a really good article. I particularly liked the following passage:

For all their rhetoric, the gun control people don’t want a reasoned debate. They fear a process they cannot manage through shocking imagery. Because, when you get down to it, the operative word in gun control is control. A deep examination of the nature of the Bill of Rights would be anathema to such an agenda.

No, the tactic will continue to be a chipping away, a little at a time, as opportunities for emotional exploitation present themselves. Regulation is the preferred method. It’s quieter. Legislation will only come when public outrage can be steered by the gullible “journalists” on the 24-hour news channels.

[Iceaxe]

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790

[Iceaxe]

ROFLMAO

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180326/7fc905ff8497e4236607f745d0036f26.jpg

[uintafly]

Do the current gun laws and restrictions constitute a breach of the second amendment? If not, why would new restrictions?

As for the sign, sure there are morans in every group, did we all forget the tea party signs that quickly?

[Sombeech]

I just want to know, which SPECIFIC regulation are we talking about adding?

It's very difficult to get a logical response out of that question.

[twotimer]

moransmorons...sorry.

[twotimer]

I just want to know, which SPECIFIC regulation are we talking about adding?

It's very difficult to get a logical response out of that question.Banning Assault Weapons...those nasty looking ones, in particular. Kinda like the anthem protests...what do you want to happen?

Uhhhhh....

[rockgremlin]

Do the current gun laws and restrictions constitute a breach of the second amendment? If not, why would new restrictions?

As for the sign, sure there are morans in every group, did we all forget the tea party signs that quickly?

"Morans"

Ha! I got that reference. :lol8:

[twotimer]

"Morans"

Ha! I got that reference. :lol8:Oh yeah? Whatever it was, I missed it. A dig at Mormans? Clue me in...

[Sandstone Addiction]

Doug Wright was interviewing the leader of SLC's student march this morning. He was giving her nothing but softball questions (understandable) but did finish the phone call with basically "so what now, you've had a couple demonstrations and a few more planned, but what concrete ideas do you have to actually get things changed..." He even answered her question with possible answers, but her only answer was that she wanted to meet with her Congressman and get more students registered to vote.

[Iceaxe]

Do the current gun laws and restrictions constitute a breach of the second amendment? If not, why would new restrictions?

The consensus among supporters of the 2nd Amendment is we have already surrendered a portion of our rights over the years and we are done. We'll not surrender any more rights.

The base strategy of the left throughout the years was to keep nibbling way around the edges and after a while they had accomplished a big chunk.

That strategy will no longer work. Particularly since the laws already on the books are not being enforced and the new laws being proposed will do nothing to address the problem.

Not exactly the answer you were looking for but I hope that helps you see the problem.

[emoji631]

[uintafly]

Google “get a brain morans”. I love that guy.

[twotimer]

Google “get a brain morans”. I love that guy.Alright, I got it. I must say Mr. Fly, that I'm glad you're not "that guy" :roflol:

Jeez, that's almost as bad as that black chick holding up the sign that said "I have a derem".

BTW...feel free to correct my spelling anytime!

[uintafly]

The consensus among supporters of the 2nd Amendment is we have already surrendered a portion of our rights over the years and we are done. We'll not surrender any more rights.

The base strategy of the left throughout the years was to keep nibbling way around the edges and after a while they had accomplished a big chunk.

That strategy will no longer work. Particularly since the laws already on the books are not being enforced and the new laws being proposed will do nothing to address the problem.

Not exactly the answer you were looking for but I hope that helps you see the problem.

[emoji631]

I am actually fairly indifferent to the whole gun debate. We do seem to have a gun violence problem, but once you take out suicides and inner-city shootings, the chance of being involved in a shooting is extremely small, so I don't lose too much sleep over it. I do think it's interesting though just how entrenched both sides are on this issue, when the majority of Americans are probably like me and in the middle, and don't spend much time thinking about it. The gun nuts loved to scream about the Obama taking their guns, when he actually did nothing at all to take anyone's guns. And on the other side you have the chick with the sign.

By the way, I have a Beretta 92FS that hasn't been shot for probably 3 years and is just gathering dust. Anyone know what that would be worth and where I can sell it?

[Iceaxe]

Utahgunexchange.com is where Utah citizen's buy and sell guns in Utah.

I also use gunbroker.com, but you need an FFL (or access to a FFL) to send guns through the mail.

You can certainly use those two websites to find the value of just about any firearm.

[tallsteve]

Yeah, Utah Gun Exchange is great, although it seems folks list their guns really high on that site. Could be everyone just expects some dickerin' to take place and they end up selling at about the right price. I've only sold 1 rifle through there but, it did sell rather quickly. Do a search on there for your firearm. It should give you a good price starting point.

[Iceaxe]

:-)
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[accadacca]

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[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180329/85f7a7c231fc29151b695892a66927e6.jpg

[Iceaxe]

WTF is wrong with some people?

Parkland suspect Nikolas Cruz showered with fan mail, donations: report

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/29/parkland-suspect-nikolas-cruz-showered-with-fan-mail-donations-report.html

Also... WTF is wrong with the mainstream media for glorifying this as the end result will be another loser doing the exact same thing for the adulation.

[devo_stevo]

That's beyond sad. These people have serious issues.

And yes, there is no need for the media to report this stuff. It just gives others bad ideas.

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

I hate it when this happens.....


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[Iceaxe]

Weapon of choice is the knife, so much for UK gun control....

London murder rate beats New York for month as stabbings surge

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/01/london-murder-rate-beats-new-york-for-month-as-stabbings-surge.html

[oldno7]

.,.,.

[tallsteve]

I ordered and just received a 250 round can of .223 target/plinking ammo for my AR. I opened it up and thought, "Dang. This caliber is really, really small!".

[Iceaxe]

All this talk lately about repealing or rewriting the 2nd Amendment. The Constitution doesn't need to be rewritten, it needs to be reread...

[rockgremlin]

All this talk lately about repealing or rewriting the 2nd Amendment. The Constitution doesn't need to be rewritten, it needs to be reread...


But the Constitution was written when citizens were using muskets to defend themselves from the British. The situation is very different now. It's time to change it.

[devo_stevo]

It was also written in a time when there were no computers or internet. Therefore, freedom of speech and freedom of the press shouldn't apply to the internet.

Obviously...

I see where this goes from here.

[Iceaxe]

But the Constitution was written when citizens were using muskets to defend themselves from the British. The situation is very different now. It's time to change it.We were also writing with quail pens and delivering mail by carriage so I guess we should look at all the amendments.

[oldno7]

powerful speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=176&v=vo_X53dNTS8

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180405/ae830a18be284b12a6f96b8f5e63a711.jpg

[rockgremlin]

Anything Dodge needs to be banned outright. They're killing machines...

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

,,,..,

[oldno7]

.,.,.

[Iceaxe]

Amazing how certain tragedies are silenced....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180407/fb220a38b0e28fa5d948a1401b742040.jpg

[devo_stevo]

I had the same thought. Same with the school shooting in Maryland that ended quickly when an armed and well trained officer did his job and took out the shooter before he could inflict serious damage.

There were some stories the first day, then silence. Nothing since then. This is the same thing. It doesn't fit the preferred narrative that some angry white guy got mad and took his gun to shoot some people, so they don't want to talk about it. Despicable.

[Iceaxe]

Want my guns?!? Come and try to take them.

Nothing like a little fun with friends and family.

[emoji631]

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[Sombeech]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=89277&stc=1&d=1523051248

:roflol: OMG

[double moo]

London's murder rate surpasses New York's...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti?amp

[rockgremlin]

London's murder rate surpasses New York's...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti?amp


Hmmmm...this doesn't fit the currently popular narrative.


Guns are still evil, right?

[Iceaxe]

When vans are outlawed, only outlaws will have vans....

Van plows into crowd in Toronto, nine dead, driver in custody

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/23/van-plows-into-crowd-in-toronto-nine-dead-driver-in-custody-cops-say.html

[rockgremlin]

When vans are outlawed, only outlaws will have vans....


:roflol:

I know, I know -- not really a laughing matter, but it does illustrate a valid point.

[mrfritz44]

It's no surprise there's not one mention of who the "suspect" is or his motive....but I suspect we already know, even if it's not PC to talk about it. The West seems intent on giving away what so many have sacrificed to resist and defend.

[Iceaxe]

Yup, another follower of the religion of peace and their jihad against the west.

[oldno7]

...,

[uintafly]

Welp, looks like you boys were a little off in your thoughts about the killer.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/toronto-van-attack-facebook-post-may-link-suspect-to-misogynist-incel-subculture/ar-AAwiqqf?ocid=ientp

There are a lot of weirdos out there.

[Iceaxe]

Welp, looks like you boys were a little off in your thoughts about the killer.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/toronto-van-attack-facebook-post-may-link-suspect-to-misogynist-incel-subculture/ar-AAwiqqf?ocid=ientp

There are a lot of weirdos out there.

We shall see.... Let's see how it all plays out. Sounds like the goatf**ker had a had time assimilating into western culture and fake news is trying to wrap this turd in a bow.

[oldno7]

..,,.

[oldno7]

,,...

[Iceaxe]

Just say when cupcake..... [emoji106]

Congressman wants to ban and confiscate all assault weapons.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/05/congressman-wants-to-ban-and-confiscate-all-assault-weapons-in-us/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=asmdss

[rockgremlin]

Just say when cupcake..... [emoji106]

Congressman wants to ban and confiscate all assault weapons.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/05/congressman-wants-to-ban-and-confiscate-all-assault-weapons-in-us/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=asmdss

Uh...good luck with that.

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/d54e3ac2c140ce4e7478827c40071bc5.jpg

[twotimer]

You guys have got to stop making so much sense...all the liberal types will go away and there'll be no one to argue with.

Wait...I think that actually happened.

[Iceaxe]

The funny thing to me is liberals who have worked dilengently to destroy religion have really just done nothing but turn liberalism into their religion. It doesn't need to make sense, damned the facts and commonsense, if you truly believe it is the truth and anyone that doesn't agree is evil.

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180512/a02601aac5086bab05a3badc3f4761b0.jpg

[tallsteve]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180510/d54e3ac2c140ce4e7478827c40071bc5.jpg

That's funny. In the case of my daughter it's also true. She had a really bad boyfriend who abused her, both physically and mentally. When she finally got the courage to leave, he threatened to kill her (and me and my wife). She had to get a restraining order. She was also a concealed carrier and had trained a lot. After not owning a firearm for several years I went out and bought one, too.

[Iceaxe]

Better to have and not need, then to need and not have.

My step sister also had a crazy ex boyfriend which caused the family to arm up. He would stalk her to the point it was really scary. The restraining order did nothing to slow him down.

[uintafly]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180512/a02601aac5086bab05a3badc3f4761b0.jpg

I can't help but wonder what the person who made that sign thought about gay marriage.

[tallsteve]

Here we go again.......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-shooting-santa-fe-texas-high-school-150311016.html

Do you think the media will give this as much coverage since early reports indicate a shotgun was used?

[Iceaxe]

Do you think the media will give this as much coverage since early reports indicate a shotgun was used?

It will get just as much coverage. The media loves dead children.

[accadacca]

Update: death toll is now 9 students and one teacher. Suspect is custody, a 17 year-old student.

[Sombeech]

Not to dismiss the tragedy, but I'll be interested to hear the discussion quickly drop the "assault weapon" term and steer directly to "guns" in general.

Why do you need an AR 12 Guage?

[DirkHammergate]

Not to dismiss the tragedy, but I'll be interested to hear the discussion quickly drop the "assault weapon" term and steer directly to "guns" in general.

Why do you need an AR 12 Guage?

To soon. Still working on thoughts and prayers. Give me some time, it's still to soon.

On a side note, how'd I miss this?

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/05/17/no-the-mormon-church-did-not-apologize-for-having-a-history-of-racism/

[devo_stevo]

Not even close to "too soon" for all that. Don't worry, the onion has you covered.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1826142891

[Iceaxe]

So I notice all the gun control advocates are screaming at Trump to "do something".... but not one of their wants would have prevented the Texas school shooting and would only have hurt law abiding citizens.... that is all.

[oldno7]

,.,,.

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180520/d3ad51bea5933c047b6d5c59a2a92166.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180521/4c117ca1f54d473dbe0f43a179e8478d.jpg

[uintafly]

Nothing to see here folks, move along. Your thoughts and prayers will no doubt solve the problem.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

[rockgremlin]

Nothing to see here folks, move along. Your thoughts and prayers will no doubt solve the problem.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts


well, first of all, I'm calling #Fakenews. Those high school kids in Parkland guaranteed that this wouldn't happen again. They even had rally marches and spoke at the capitol, remember?

[uintafly]

well, first of all, I'm calling #Fakenews. Those high school kids in Parkland guaranteed that this wouldn't happen again. They even had rally marches and spoke at the capitol, remember?

They forgot about the doors I guess.

[rockgremlin]

Nothing to see here folks, move along. Your thoughts and prayers will no doubt solve the problem.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts


From the link you posted:

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Howcome there haven't been any shootings in Idaho or Wyoming, where I'd estimate the majority of the residents own guns?

[Iceaxe]

From the link you posted:

89586


Howcome there haven't been any shootings in Idaho or Wyoming, where I'd estimate the majority of the residents own guns?


Looking at that map I can't help but notice the school mass shootings are much heavier in the states with the strictest gun laws... just saying....

[oldno7]

new, laser engraved pmags:2thumbs:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi0avwrnNC1/

[DirkHammergate]

Looking at that map I can't help but notice the school mass shootings are much heavier in the states with the strictest gun laws... just saying....

Denser population. I'd argue Utah's killing epidemic is teen suicide not mass shootings. Personally I think the intermountain west is a great place to live, less crazies, that might be a factor too.

[DirkHammergate]

Personally I think the intermountain west is a great place to live, less crazies, that might be a factor too.

Every time I travel to California to visit I basically want to go on a mass shooting spree because of traffic. I don't get that feeling living here.

[tallsteve]

Every time I travel to California to visit I basically want to go on a mass shooting spree because of traffic.

Great. I have to drive to California this weekend. Thanks for that.

[Sombeech]

Nothing to see here folks, move along. Your thoughts and prayers will no doubt solve the problem.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

Yeah... No. These people define "Mass Shooting" as ant incident above 1. They call a Murder-suicide a Mass Shooting.

In other attempts to skew the numbers by horribly twisting the definitions, "School Shootings" have been counted up, including BB Gun shots. Yes, air rifle, Daisy, Red Rider, BB Gun shot incidents. They are also calling it a School Shooting when NON STUDENTS, like a 31 year old male, is living in an apartment on campus, and gets shot. THAT is a School Shooting. They are calling an accidental discharge of a handgun, a School Shooting. Nobody was injured, but it counted as a School Shooting.

It sounds cliche, but you just can't trust certain sources.

[oldno7]

,.,,,.

[oldno7]

..,,.,

[Iceaxe]

You might want to read this before the mainstream media buries it....

Man opens fire inside Oklahoma restaurant before 'armed citizen' shoots, kills him, police say

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/24/man-opens-fire-inside-oklahoma-restaurant-before-armed-citizen-shoots-kills-him-police-say.html

[Iceaxe]

This is for every time I hear about America's gun culture.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/be2754517da4c07037fd172958178946.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^I don't think that graphic is accurate. I've seen numbers documenting homicide rates in Central America that were closer to 150 - 160 per 100K.

[Sombeech]

Yeah, maybe need a timeframe on that one.

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180602/0ac0f4ef05cccc2fe31c6d14175fdbea.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^ So that isn't a "Gun Free Zone" then?

Despicable.

[accadacca]

Couple months old, but I haven’t seen it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfK81QLWLHI&app=desktop

[double moo]

This is for every time I hear about America's gun culture.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/be2754517da4c07037fd172958178946.jpg

More on this graphic...

https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5

[Iceaxe]

:-)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180607/3a12f0769a5478b046b1503ed81d8ec6.jpg

[oldno7]

,,.,

[oldno7]

,.,,,.

[Iceaxe]

I'm not drunk enough for this much stupidity to start my weekend...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180608/ac3754cba75f0eaf08b6e487529579fc.jpg

[Iceaxe]

https://scontent.fslc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34779043_353926228469697_5492505079791484928_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=7ec9f585aa76ace06e86997d554ea663&oe=5BB33B85

[Iceaxe]

:-)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180615/043792c39d0839a60c732e7bbe795ce4.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Merica!

US civilians own 400 million guns.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/06/us-civilians-own-400-million-guns-compared-to-militarys-4-5-million-survey-shows/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=asmdss

[Iceaxe]

89934

[Udink]

89934
Pretty sure that's a California woman.

[twotimer]

That actually looks like a female that I rented one of my condos to. She was a 55 gallon drum with a head on it. Her name was Jeanne and she was a mean, miserable person.

She actually got into a fistfight with a guy that drives a church van. He though she was a guy and he kicked her ass. She was so freaked out that she put up alarms all over the condo and had a 4X4 piece of wood to block off the front door when she was there.

She had two Dachshuns...apparently those are "lesbo" dogs, according to my lesbian neighbor.

Anyway, Jeanne looked like that dude up there with shorter hair. Colorado woman.

[2065toyota]

90001

[twotimer]

BINGO!

[Iceaxe]

August 1st officially mark's the end of gun control...

3D-printed gun blueprints can be downloaded starting next month, ending a lengthy legal battle.

This marks the end of gun control

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/20/this-marks-end-gun-control.html

[Sandstone Addiction]

I've been looking into getting a Sig P365, but maybe I'll look into a 3D printer instead?

Seriously though (am serious about the Sig though)...it can't make a steel gun right? What goods a plastic handgun, could that even fire a 22LR safely?

[tallsteve]

I've been looking into getting a Sig P365

Cool. Me, too. I bought a full-size Sig P320 a couple of months ago and absolutely love it. I use it for OWB carry when I'm up the canyon doing trailwork or hiking by myself + it's become my nightstand ready-to-grab firearm. I like that gun so much I'm thinking of selling my S&W M&P Shield that I use for EDC and getting the P365. I like the higher round capacity the P365 offers.

90134

[rockgremlin]

^^^^ The way I understand it, the Sig P320 may be chambered to be either a 9mm, .357, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.

So, which of these options do you most prefer as your "default?"

[tallsteve]

^^^^ The way I understand it, the Sig P320 may be chambered to be either a 9mm, .357, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.

So, which of these options do you most prefer as your "default?"

9mm. For a few reasons but, primarily because my EDC gun is 9mm and I didn't want to have to start stocking a different round. 9mm ammo is cheap and readily available. I do like the interchangeability option of the P320 but, not sure I'll ever purchase a different barrel.

[oldno7]

,,,.

[Iceaxe]

And in case you missed it the nutty 9th, the most liberal court in the country, just ruled the 2nd Amendment extends beyond your home allowing you to open carry a firearm in public.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gun-carry-ruling-20180724-story.html

[rockgremlin]

And in case you missed it the nutty 9th, the most liberal court in the country, just ruled the 2nd Amendment extends beyond your home allowing you to open carry a firearm in public.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gun-carry-ruling-20180724-story.html


Interesting that the L.A. Times would report something like this. The Denver Post, Washington Post, and Seattle Times are all ignoring it. I wonder why?

[middlefork]

"The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 that Hawaiian officials had violated George Young's rights when he was denied a permit to openly carry a loaded gun in public to protect himself."

Interesting. As I understand it even Utah does not permit open carry of a loaded (one in the pipe) gun unless you have a CCP.
Although I've never worried about it in a hunting situation.

[rockgremlin]

"The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 that Hawaiian officials had violated George Young's rights when he was denied a permit to openly carry a loaded gun in public to protect himself."

Interesting. As I understand it even Utah does not permit open carry of a loaded (one in the pipe) gun unless you have a CCP.
Although I've never worried about it in a hunting situation.


Yup. That Constitutional Carry bill came up last year I think - and our wonderful gov slapped it down. :roll:

[Sombeech]

Open carry can become such a huge burden for the carrier; drawing constant attention, mentally protecting the gun at all times from somebody getting too close, hearing feedback of fear and paranoia from bystanders, keeping a prepared defensive reply at the tip of your tongue all day for anybody that asks why you are carrying.

It's not worth it. Just carry concealed.

[rockgremlin]

Open carry can become such a huge burden for the carrier; drawing constant attention, mentally protecting the gun at all times from somebody getting too close, hearing feedback of fear and paranoia from bystanders, keeping a prepared defensive reply at the tip of your tongue all day for anybody that asks why you are carrying.

It's not worth it. Just carry concealed.


I agree. Go ahead and open carry for a day and notice the added attention you'll get. You'd probably get less attention if you walked around naked, depending on who you are.

[Iceaxe]

I think you guys are missing the point of open carry by many. The idea is to get open carry thought of as normal and mainstream...

Anyone that has been to an adult Caribbean resort will understand. The first day at the resort you walk around admiring all the titties on display, but by the end of the week you walk around failing to notice them at all... same concept many hope to achieve with open carry.

YMMV
[emoji631]

[tallsteve]

Seems you don't even have to go to an adult resort to see boobies (I'm too shy to say titties!) on display anymore (not that I've ever been to one!). Just 2 days ago I was pedaling the #150 trail up AF Canyon, just north of Salamander Flat, and there was two young 20 year old girls hiking toward me. The one was totally topless, carrying her shirt in hand, and the other only had a skimpy nearly see-though t-shirt on with no bra. Twice in early June, on two separate days, I came across a couple doing the dirty deed pretty much smack dab in the middle of the trail. All young 20 year olds so, I'm just guessing that they aren't familiar with the canyon and how much traffic the trails they were on get. Talk about wildlife!

[rockgremlin]

Seems you don't even have to go to an adult resort to see boobies (I'm too shy to say titties!) on display anymore (not that I've ever been to one!). Just 2 days ago I was pedaling the #150 trail up AF Canyon, just north of Salamander Flat, and there was two young 20 year old girls hiking toward me. The one was totally topless, carrying her shirt in hand, and the other only had a skimpy nearly see-though t-shirt on with no bra. Twice in early June, on two separate days, I came across a couple doing the dirty deed pretty much smack dab in the middle of the trail. All young 20 year olds so, I'm just guessing that they aren't familiar with the canyon and how much traffic the trails they were on get. Talk about wildlife!


Sounds like I need to take up mountain biking...

[stefan]

Interesting that the L.A. Times would report something like this. The Denver Post, Washington Post, and Seattle Times are all ignoring it. I wonder why?

how do you figure they're ignoring it, rock? both the seattle times and washington post carried it the day of (6/24)


seattle times (July 24, 2018 at 11:12 am)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/

washington post (July 24, 2018 at 6:46 pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/2018/07/24/8154053e-8f6d-11e8-ae59-01880eac5f1d_story.html

:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

how do you figure they're ignoring it, rock? both the seattle times and washington post carried it the day of (6/24)


seattle times (July 24, 2018 at 11:12 am)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/

washington post (July 24, 2018 at 6:46 pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/2018/07/24/8154053e-8f6d-11e8-ae59-01880eac5f1d_story.html

:ne_nau:

Whats your favorite gun to shoot, stefan?

[rockgremlin]

how do you figure they're ignoring it, rock? both the seattle times and washington post carried it the day of (6/24)


seattle times (July 24, 2018 at 11:12 am)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/

washington post (July 24, 2018 at 6:46 pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/2018/07/24/8154053e-8f6d-11e8-ae59-01880eac5f1d_story.html

:ne_nau:


Whoops, my bad. :oops:

My only defense is that I checked at 9:30am

[twotimer]

Hmmm...looks like stefan may be tuning into Scott P 2.0.

May sure you've got those dates and times right, boys and girls.