Medical Marijuana in Utah

[twotimer]

Ahhhh...pick a side. There's winners and losers. In the meantime, anybody wanna get high?

[Scott Card]

I see what you did there...couching your response in dictionary format...

The problem as I see it are those two words that I highlighted: Right and Wrong. So, so subjective. Your right might be my wrong, and vice versa. And if my wrong doesn't impact you or anybody else, then why are you poking your beak in?

Actually, I cut and pasted from the dictionary. The point was that morality is defining right and wrong. Legislators define "right and wrong" and we call it "law". You are correct about definitions of right and wrong. My definition may not be your definition of right and wrong or good and bad. That is why I may vote one way and you may vote another way. America is just awesome that way! We vote for who we think will best represent our values, our morality, our definition of right and wrong.

[uintafly]

I think I will avoid responding to the ad hominem and other fallacious comments in your statement. I will however tell you that I care, just like you care, about rights, our community, and our country. I care based upon my life experience and what I believe is best for my community and my country. I don't believe that unrestricted use of marijuana is good for society. Yep, there it is, my opinion. :)

Not to keep poking you, but where is the ad hominem? Nothing in my post was really directed at you, other to ask why you care what other people do. And I do think the anti pot folks use the same arguments about the good of society as the anti gay marriage and anti death with dignity folks.

[Sombeech]

there is a consistent accusation that I'm against the legalization of Marijuana, only because I'm offering countering argument points. (Same thing with Gay Marriage or any other hot topic)

I'm not against marijuana.

I'm not against marijuana

I'm not against marijuana

But if you want it legalized, the articles about kids with seizures won't do the trick because there are dozens of existing legal medications, INCLUDING EXISTING LEGAL cannabis products already.

And to push the "Mormon Church is super controlling of Utah", then when it looked like it might pass to backpedal away from that accusation like you never said it, , well that point doesn't change minds either.

You guys sure have spent a lot of time arguing against me for the merits of Marijuana when I never EVER EVER EVER said I oppose it. I've used and abused it many times, much more than the average Utahn. Those days are in the past though, but I'm still not taking a side. Explain how it's going to benefit lives where there is NO other alternative.

But I'll tell ya what, every time I'm accused of opposing it because of some suggestion that I think I'm better than others because of morals or religion, well that's just enough to make me choose a side and work against you. If we've learned anything about Trump vs Hillary, it's that the persistent labeling of conservatives as bigots and racists will only motivate them more to come out and vote. Same thing here, if we are going to be labeled as religious prudes, that's going to make me want to actually cast a vote, in the negative.

[Scott Card]

Not to keep poking you, but where is the ad hominem? Nothing in my post was really directed at you, other to ask why you care what other people do. And I do think the anti pot folks use the same arguments about the good of society as the anti gay marriage and anti death with dignity folks.

I think it was all the "you's" . :)

[rockgremlin]

there is a consistent accusation that I'm against the legalization of Marijuana, only because I'm offering countering argument points. (Same thing with Gay Marriage or any other hot topic)

I'm not against marijuana.

I'm not against marijuana

I'm not against marijuana

But if you want it legalized, the articles about kids with seizures won't do the trick because there are dozens of existing legal medications, INCLUDING EXISTING LEGAL cannabis products already.

And to push the "Mormon Church is super controlling of Utah", then when it looked like it might pass to backpedal away from that accusation like you never said it, , well that point doesn't change minds either.

You guys sure have spent a lot of time arguing against me for the merits of Marijuana when I never EVER EVER EVER said I oppose it. I've used and abused it many times, much more than the average Utahn. Those days are in the past though, but I'm still not taking a side. Explain how it's going to benefit lives where there is NO other alternative.

But I'll tell ya what, every time I'm accused of opposing it because of some suggestion that I think I'm better than others because of morals or religion, well that's just enough to make me choose a side and work against you. If we've learned anything about Trump vs Hillary, it's that the persistent labeling of conservatives as bigots and racists will only motivate them more to come out and vote. Same thing here, if we are going to be labeled as religious prudes, that's going to make me want to actually cast a vote, in the negative.

Nothing to refute here.

My apologies if it felt like I was misrepresenting you.

That is all.

[uintafly]

I think it was all the "you's" . :)

rhetorical yous.

[accadacca]

Herbert calls special legislative session on medical marijuana for Monday

https://www.ksl.com/article/46438414...ana-for-monday

[Iceaxe]

Herbert calls special legislative session on medical marijuana for Monday

https://www.ksl.com/article/46438414...ana-for-monday

That's because Prop 2 is the law until they gut it. For the next 48 hours pot is actually legal for some people in the state of Utah. The sky is falling... the sky is falling....

[DirkHammergate]

This is pretty funny.... wanna be Governor.

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/loca...fore-election/

[DirkHammergate]

The main changes

The compromise bill sponsored by Hughes proposes significant changes to how medical marijuana could legally be recommended, sold and consumed. It removes a hotly contested provision allowing patients living a certain distance from a dispensary to grow up to six marijuana plants. It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an "affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card.

[accadacca]

The main changes

The compromise bill sponsored by Hughes proposes significant changes to how medical marijuana could legally be recommended, sold and consumed. It removes a hotly contested provision allowing patients living a certain distance from a dispensary to grow up to six marijuana plants. It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an "affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card.

Following the comments on Fox 13...it would seem the changes were so drastic that the LDS church needs to be taxed, run out of town and burned at the stake!

[accadacca]

Gov. Gary Herbert has signed into law a medical marijuana bill to replace the ballot initiative that voters approved on Nov. 6.

The Medical Cannabis Act was passed through both houses of the Utah Legislature during a special session Monday and signed into law Monday night.

After signing the bill, Herbert released a statement saying, in part: "This is a historic day. With the passage of the Utah Medical Cannabis Act, Utah now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country."

[Sombeech]

So in the end, will patients have access to Medical Marijuana? If so, that's a win, right? After all, that's what the campaigns were fighting for.

I hardly think people will be satisfied at that though.

[double moo]

I like that this passed so that it can be of benefit to those who need it. My bitch is this... legislature wont do shit about it until enough people sign a petition to get it on the ballot. Then they go into high gear to try to negotiate an alternate plan, hoping to derail the ballot initiative. At the same time the opponents go apeshit trying to slander the bill, then to try to persuade the majority to vote no on religious grounds. When the dust settles WE THE PEOPLE vote to go with the proposition. And our elected officials are flipping us the bird and doing what they believe they know is best for us. I don't really care about the specifics of the bill... or the compromise... I care that we just got screwed by the man without so much as a reach around.

I'd be just as pissed if the compromise allowed recreational pot... the issue is circumventing the Democratic voting process. Worse is that they do the special session now, not after the new crop of legislators is sworn in, not after we let it run for a bit then try to resolve the holes in the law. This is worse than "executive order" issues as the entire legislative body is in on it (except the 13 who voted against).

The lawsuits are lining up - so now we get to waste tax dollars to defend our dumbassery.

Rant over.

[rockgremlin]

I like that this passed so that it can be of benefit to those who need it. My bitch is this... legislature wont do shit about it until enough people sign a petition to get it on the ballot. Then they go into high gear to try to negotiate an alternate plan, hoping to derail the ballot initiative. At the same time the opponents go apeshit trying to slander the bill, then to try to persuade the majority to vote no on religious grounds. When the dust settles WE THE PEOPLE vote to go with the proposition. And our elected officials are flipping us the bird and doing what they believe they know is best for us. I don't really care about the specifics of the bill... or the compromise... I care that we just got screwed by the man without so much as a reach around.

I'd be just as pissed if the compromise allowed recreational pot... the issue is circumventing the Democratic voting process. Worse is that they do the special session now, not after the new crop of legislators is sworn in, not after we let it run for a bit then try to resolve the holes in the law. This is worse than "executive order" issues as the entire legislative body is in on it (except the 13 who voted against).

The lawsuits are lining up - so now we get to waste tax dollars to defend our dumbassery.

Rant over.

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Blatant miscarriage of the democratic process.

[Scott Card]

X2

Blatant miscarriage of the democratic process.

But, this constitutional democratic republic of a state is working perfectly.

[rockgremlin]

But, this constitutional democratic republic of a state is working perfectly.

When the legislators can just do whatever they want to the Propositions that the people put forward and a majority voted for -- where's the democratic process in that?

Why even put forward a Proposition at all if the will of the people is just going to be trampled?

[Sombeech]

So help me understand, in the end will medical marijuana be available to those who need it? If so, what's the problem? That was the sole purpose, right?

I hate politics as much as the next guy, except for the memes, but from what I'm hearing from the good folks at Bogley, it sounds like this medicine will be available to those who qualify. Or is this not correct? Serious question, because I'm not reading political articles like everybody else.

[Scott Card]

Here you go, 'Beech. From KSL.com:

"Gov. Gary Herbert announced Monday evening he had signed the bill, saying Utah "now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country."

"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah will be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed pharmacist in medical dosage form. And this will be done in a way that prevents diversion of product into a black market."

Here is the link to the article at KSL.com. It addresses the promised lawsuits also:
https://www.ksl.com/article/46439801...omise-into-law