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[oldno7]

3 - I wouldn't rappel on a square knot. There are so many other knots that are more secure, and some are easier to tie.
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Really? Maybe theres a way to make a square not more secure and use it in a canyoneering scenario.
What if it was a very useful knot, but you just haven't seen how it works?
Could you have possibly "jumped to a conclusion without critical analysis"?

[moabfool]

Really? Maybe theres a way to make a square not more secure and use it in a canyoneering scenario.
What if it was a very useful knot, but you just haven't seen how it works?
Could you have possibly "jumped to a conclusion without critical analysis"?

There are levels of critical analysis. There's the level to which a person should aspire to keep from looking like a fool or really hurting themselves or others. That's the level that keeps you safe while driving and tells you not to click on the link for the free laptop. That level takes a questioning attitude and a healthy uneasiness. Then there's the level that's borderline obsessive. That's the level that requires you to know the molecular structure of bacon fat without a reference book. Okay, you can know that, but it becomes weird when you think other people will admire them for that knowledge. That level is reserved for people who wear pocket protectors and need a human to geek translator. No thanks. I prefer women over Star Wars.

But since you called me out here goes. I know that I can join two ropes using a double overhand (Euro Death Knot or EDK), a flemmish bend (back passed figure 8) with or without the backing double fishermen (with is preferred), a water knot with backing double fisherman, a triple fisherman knot, or a (wait for it) square knot backed up by double fishermen. Here's the thing, since I know and trust the EDK (doubled to prevent rolling) I really don't need to use the others. I'm sure there's one instance where knowing 17 different ways to join a rope may come in handy, but the greater danger lies in knowing something half-way, screwing it up, and getting yourself or another hurt or killed.

[mmac]

I prefer women over Star Wars.

I prefer women who love Star Wars.

[Don]

I prefer women who love Star Wars.

+1

[tanya]

Woman? She looks 16 at the most.

[hank moon]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)

with "absolutely no other choice " I guess I'd trust it

and I thought it was a pine knot...

no prob rapping on a short side!

[moabfool]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)

Okay, just for fun I've decided to get really critical, not critical of the knot, but critical of the question. I'm laughing as I write this so don't take it personally. This is just for the fun of rhetoric.

If I had "absolutely no other choice" I would rappel on shoe laces tied together with granny knots. If the choice is between certain death or near certain death I'll choose near certain death almost every time.

I don't know if you've ever seen that crappy movie "Vertical Limit" (note the use of prejudicial language). I've only seen it once so pardon me if I don't get this exactly right. The way hot, mad skilled climber chick is on this tiny ledge over a massive chasm. If she stays on the ledge she dies. If she tries to escape she probably dies. She has but one choice, jump for a dyno move and hope her injured hand finds the hold. The gamble worked and she got out alive. What cracked me up was the audible gasp that went up in the theater when she tried it. I just gave her a golf clap for having massive chops. What the rest of the audience missed was the fact that if she didn't try the move she was dead anyway. She had "absolutely no other choice."

Another example is from real life. In the amazing documentary "Touching the Void" (note the use of prejudicial language) a counter intuitive decision saved a live. The scene: A badly injured mountaineer lies on an ice bridge after he has fallen in a crevasse. He calls for his partner, the only help that could possibly save him. His partner is not there. He can not ice climb due to two shattered hips. He can either die where he lies or make a terrible decision, a decision that seemingly can only make his bad situation worse. After weighing his options (and droping several f-bombs) he decides to rappel further into the crevasse. That decison ultimately saved his life.

So, would I rappel on that knot? NO! Would I rappel on that knot if I "absolutely had to?" Yes. But since I can never think of an instance where I would "(have) absolutely no other choice," and since I have a moderately sized bag of tricks I'm still saying no.

Woman? She looks 16 at the most.

WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

[tanya]

Originally Posted by tanya
Woman? She looks 16 at the most.



WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

No clue but I think he has daughters about that age. I have one that just turned 17 the other day as well as a 13 and 15 year old. That child looks about the age of my soon to be 14 year old. They are gorgeous, but luckily males much older than them creep them out.

[JP]

He just stole it from a website.

I actually saw Penn & Teller reel in the liberals on their show Bullshit. Either way, the kid proved the same point others have made. Bandwagon morons will follow BS causes.

[moabfool]

Originally Posted by tanya
Woman? She looks 16 at the most.



WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

No clue but I think he has daughters about that age. I have one that just turned 17 the other day as well as a 13 and 15 year old. That child looks about the age of my soon to be 14 year old. They are gorgeous, but luckily males much older than them creep them out.

I guess I'm not a funny today as I thought. Ice has joked about that sort of stuff in the past, but he may have changed his tune. May your daughters always be grossed out by creepy old guys. I guess it all comes back to honest, critical analysis.

[JP]

You need a few of these

[tanya]

I don't tread into the basement much to read those posts, luckily or have just not read the threads he has done it on. The only one I really remember is him defending his posting of older women saying he is not turned on by kids, and thus was posting photos of women more his age (that no one really was into) but then I avoid most of the man talk on here. I really don't know.

I do think though that men don't stop and think that posting pictures of girls so much younger than them is really sick. I can't imagine being turned on by a boy. What is it men see in little girls? Honest question everyone!

There are few things I actually defend but kids are one even though many confused kids dress up begging for attention from older men.