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11-17-2010, 06:47 PM #1
Don't Touch My Junk - TSA going too far?
Summary of what happened:
The guy opts out of the full body scan just like we can each legally do, and then is told he'll have a pat down where the guard would be touching his groin. The man says "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested". This didn't go too well with TSA.
Full incident:
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11-17-2010 06:47 PM # ADS
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11-17-2010, 07:02 PM #2
November 24 is National Opt Out Day. Anybody flying then?
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11-18-2010, 07:56 AM #3
Don't worry bro. Ron Paul is on the case.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...tml#more-70061
[QUOTE]November 17, 2010
[B] [URL="http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/70061.html"]Ron PaulYour safety is not my responsibility.
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11-18-2010, 09:07 AM #4
This has gone much to far..... I'm willing to accept some risk of an attack in order to retain my rights and freedom.....
Freedom is never free.....
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11-18-2010, 11:27 AM #5●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
●Hiking Treks (my younger brother's website): hiking guides @ www.thetrekplanner.com
"He who walks on the edge...will eventually fall."
"There are two ways to die in the desert - dehydration and drowning." -overhearing a Park Ranger at Capitol Reef N.P.
"...the first law of gear-dynamics: gear is like a gas - it will expand to fit the available space." -Wortman, Outside magazine.
"SEND IT, BRO!!"
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11-18-2010, 12:40 PM #6
i'd be tempted just opt out of the scan and the pat down and drop my trousers right there in line and let everyone take a look. that would probably scare enough of them to drop the policy.
i'll gladly give up some security to maintain my rights.But if I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.
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11-18-2010, 01:53 PM #7
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11-18-2010, 02:03 PM #8
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11-18-2010, 03:02 PM #9
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11-18-2010, 03:32 PM #10
Whoa! This is going to be the first time Cirrus and I agree on a subject. I shall mark the occasion and open a box of wine in his honor.
Your safety is not my responsibility.
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11-18-2010, 05:59 PM #11
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11-18-2010, 06:47 PM #12
Awesome post Kev
TSA is nothing but another way for our government to waste money by the boat load all in the name of the war on terror.
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11-18-2010, 06:49 PM #13
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11-18-2010, 07:52 PM #14
So those who reject the idea of the TSA or security handling...
How would you like to see it changed or done?●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
●Hiking Treks (my younger brother's website): hiking guides @ www.thetrekplanner.com
"He who walks on the edge...will eventually fall."
"There are two ways to die in the desert - dehydration and drowning." -overhearing a Park Ranger at Capitol Reef N.P.
"...the first law of gear-dynamics: gear is like a gas - it will expand to fit the available space." -Wortman, Outside magazine.
"SEND IT, BRO!!"
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11-18-2010, 08:02 PM #15
You are missing the point.... I don't want it changed or done.... I want it eliminated, I want my rights and freedom restored and I'll accept the risks.....
If what is going on is not an illegal search of the innocent I don't know what is.... I want my government to protect my right to privacy is what I want...
The new TSA measures recently enacted clearly violate the right of U.S. citizens, guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment, to protection from unreasonable searches. Mo McGowan, a former high-ranking TSA official recently admitted on Fox News that they do in fact violate Fourth Amendment rights. TSA then compounds the issue should you attempt to refuse both the scan and the pat-down, by preventing you from leaving the security area and arresting you if you continue to refuse. Their logic for this is that anyone who would refuse to be checked at the time it’s about to happen is automatically even more suspect.... yet another case where the government operates under the fallacy that privacy is only desired by those with something nefarious to hide.
An example of how airport security should be handled is Israel, a country that has been dealing with terrorist threats on airplanes much longer than the U.S., and certainly is more likely to encounter one on any given day. Israel doesn’t use full-body scans or pat-downs, they evaluate the people, not the stuff people are carrying. They scan bags and use metal detectors, of course, but mostly they use "soft" techniques, and they are extremely effective and quick.
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11-18-2010, 08:47 PM #16
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11-18-2010, 09:29 PM #17
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11-18-2010, 09:42 PM #18
Totally agreed. The post 9/11 security procedures are what I have always called "feel-good, do-nothing". I do not feel safer because some clown wearing a uniform and badge makes everyone take off their shoes, and pulls random people (usually some old lady with a walker) out for a closer shakedown. I don't feel safer because no one can bring even an UNOPENED BOTTLE OF WATER onto the plane. The measures are completely irrational, based not on fact or logic, but dreamed up by someone(s) who has a complete hard-on for power trips over others. I have never enjoyed flying, but now I detest it because of these lame-assed measures. I also wonder at what point every single passenger getting on an airplane is now viewed with suspicion as a possible terror suspect? WTF, man?
The bottom line is that if some terrorist whackjob is bound and determined to die for their cause, nothing will stop them. They could shove a bunch of C4 up their ass, or swallow something, and take down a plane that way.
I'm with Kevin, Ice, and you, Denali: let me get on the damn friggin' plane, just like I used to 10 years ago. I'll take my chances that the plane won't get blown up by someone. And by God, if by chance someone is on my plane and starts yelling "ALLAH AKBAR!", while brandishing some weapon or threat to take it down, I'll go down doing whatever I could to stop the SOB...along with the rest of the passengers, I'm sure.
Life is not safe, and I don't appreciate people trying to sanitize it for me. I don't need or want "the government" trying to limit my freedoms under the guise of trying to "protect" me. Whether it's the NPS thinking of shutting down Angel's Landing because more than a few people have fallen to their deaths, or telling me I can't smoke pot [which I don't do anyway], it's intrusive and pointless.
If I were flying on Nov 24, I'd definitely "opt out". TSA:Sonya
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11-18-2010, 10:11 PM #19
Btw Shane - not missing any point. Just theorizing.
Thanks for sharing. I will add, that something worse than poor security - is a false sense of security.
Israel doesn’t use full-body scans or pat-downs, they evaluate the people, not the stuff people are carrying.●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
●Hiking Treks (my younger brother's website): hiking guides @ www.thetrekplanner.com
"He who walks on the edge...will eventually fall."
"There are two ways to die in the desert - dehydration and drowning." -overhearing a Park Ranger at Capitol Reef N.P.
"...the first law of gear-dynamics: gear is like a gas - it will expand to fit the available space." -Wortman, Outside magazine.
"SEND IT, BRO!!"
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11-18-2010, 10:14 PM #20TSA then compounds the issue should you attempt to refuse both the scan and the pat-down, by preventing you from leaving the security area and arresting you if you continue to refuse. Their logic for this is that anyone who would refuse to be checked at the time it’s about to happen is automatically even more suspect....●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
●Hiking Treks (my younger brother's website): hiking guides @ www.thetrekplanner.com
"He who walks on the edge...will eventually fall."
"There are two ways to die in the desert - dehydration and drowning." -overhearing a Park Ranger at Capitol Reef N.P.
"...the first law of gear-dynamics: gear is like a gas - it will expand to fit the available space." -Wortman, Outside magazine.
"SEND IT, BRO!!"
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