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Utah’s medical marijuana initiative is about to get swapped out with a compromise bill in the legislature
"What the public is going to see in the final special session is, from our perspective, about 90% of what was in Proposition 2"
https://fox13now.com/2018/11/14/utah...e-legislature/
We shall see... when politicians use words like "compromise", "swapped out" and "90%", I'm betting they really mean "the compromise was that 90% of the original initiative has been swapped out".Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Climb-Utah.com
BREAKING: A medical marijuana advocacy group has threatened a lawsuit over involvement The LDS Church has had with members of the Utah State Legislature in crafting a “compromise” bill to replace Proposition 2.
https://fox13now.com/2018/11/15/medi...-2-compromise/
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Originally Posted by accadacca
Yeah I kinda figured that would happen.
“The Church of Jesus Christ has caused the sponsorship, passage, and/or defeat of many public laws—state, county, and municipal—for many years. It is common knowledge that no liquor bill, sex education bill, gambling bill, or sexual orientation/gender identity bill will be passed by the Legislature without the support of The Church of Jesus Christ.” -- Rocky Anderson
It's time for the LDS church to get out of politics. It's getting them deeper and deeper into hot water, and pissing people off to the point where it is now negatively affecting their image.
Queue Sombeech in 3, 2, 1... :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
I've missed Rocky in my life. Welcome back old man, where have you been the last few years?
I know you'd rather nobody provide a contrary point of view, but we practice diversity and tolerance here.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Anybody that indulges in pot on a regular basis is a loser. If the church is trying to keep it out of Utah, that's fine with me.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of nice Mormon dudes that some doped up bums.
I don't buy the medicinal "miracle" that weed provides...you can drink two glasses of wine and it does the same damn thing.
And I don't need any of you guys coming in to school me about the "realities" of pot. I'd just laugh it off. I like the church and fully back it trying to protect their families and communities.
Sometimes ya gotta take sides, man.
^^^ Two glasses of wine don't instill a desire to eat in terminal cancer patients undergoing chemo.
And I wouldn't give my 7 year old two glasses of wine to treat his epileptic seizures.
Go ahead and queue the laughter.
People can snort bleach for all I care, but hey man, you've got your side, I've got mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
I don't know anyone who is sick and needs pot to feel better. Sure hear a lot of talk about it, though. All I know is that I'm working 20 miles away from downtown and these ate up people are popping out of the bushes. Seems to me that there's two things they want to live by...a McDonald's and a dispensary.
I reckon you've got a homeless problem in Utah, eh? Well, now there's going to be a lot more of them.
And if you have a kid who's having seizures then I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
So since you don't know of somebody personally who is benefiting from the medical aspects of MJ then medical marijuana must therefore be hogwash...all just a ruse to get high.
Damn. I thought we had you fooled!
Damn, twotimer has the same reefer madness thoughts as Jeff Sessions. I wonder if you feel the same way about guys like me that have a few beers a couple nights a week, or if it is pot specific? I never understand people that view everything in such strong black and white terms. I do a lot of business with a guy that ran a very successful company sold it a decade or so ago and has been very involved with local real estate development and rentals. Has a net worth north of $20 mill, hasn't made less than $800,000 in any of the last 4 years and is just a really nice generous guy. Successful kids, nice wife, but smokes fairly regularly so must be a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
As for the loser dopeheads that basically just sit around and get high all day, does the pot cause that or would they do that regardless? Because there seems to be a lot of losers that don't use pot.
Personally, I just don't need government bureaucrats making decisions about what I can do with my own body. I always figured I can make my own decisions and deal with the consequences. Some folks really like big government control and lots of laws and regulations, I just don't happen to be one of those guys. YMMV.
Funny thing is, I'd share a joint with ya right now. :roflol:
I just see pot tearin' a lot of people up, that's all.
How about pot doesn't create losers, it's that losers are drawn to pot... Anyhoo, food for thought.
And yes, the same could be said for alcohol.
Climb-Utah.com
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Actually....... otherwise good/sharp people can get sucked (no pun intended) into this world and become really stupid. Pot has never made any of my clients smarter. Just my experience after more than a 1000 criminal cases, mostly involving drugs and/or alcohol. It is, after all, called "dope" rather than "intelligence" for a reason. :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Nobody can argue this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
I haven't seen anyone on this thread argue that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I've seen arguments that it helps people with anxiety, chronic pain, epileptic seizures, glaucoma, and cancer patients. I could go on.
Who are you talking to about weed? So far you keep insisting that it won't make you smarter, and that voting for Prop 2 won't bankrupt big Pharma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
But nobody I know is arguing those two things. I thought that stuff was common knowledge.
Regardless, it kinda sounds like folks are getting off track again...Prop 2 is for MEDICINAL not RECREATIONAL marijuana usage. There's a huge difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...&v=0D8RRFnbOdg
Check out Sombeech in the tan butterfly collar "blast off to kicks-ville..." :roflol:
yeah I've seen the arguments that it cures cancer too :roflol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkHammergate
Well...unless you happen to live something like 100 miles away from a dispensary, then you would be “allowed” to grow it recreationally...but I mean...for “medicinal” use.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Watch out rural Utah, you are soon going to be seeing a influx of “visitors” and “new neighbors”. [emoji6]
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Originally Posted by Sombeech
Used to treat the symptoms of cancer....absolutely. Even the National Cancer Institute believes this: https://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...nd-cancer.html
As far as curing or defeating cancer itself...wellllll, yeah that's mostly speculative. But even all but the most hardened stoner will concede this.
Just curious....what narrative are you promoting anyway? That pot has absolutely ZERO medicinal benefits, and all of these propositions that have sprung up all over the U.S. are just well crafted lies to promote the widespread use of recreational MJ? Cuz that's the vibe you're putting out.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaking for myself...yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
And you don't need to be corrected, because opinions vary.
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Originally Posted by twotimer
WOW. I guess placebo is a powerful thing eh? All those folks who are/were suffering from seizures and chemo -- they're all just benefiting from the placebo effect because MJ has absolutely zero medicinal value. Crazy...
Oh yeah! I'm crazy alright...crazy man with crazy opinions. No denying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
You should take a chill pill, Mr. Gremlin. Seems like you're taking this all a bit personally. Besides, you're swingin' the big dick now, as it passed. You got to see the church get kicked in the teeth, too.
It was legal here in for years as "medicine", and my friends were joyously pouring hash oil on top of the buds.
Who is? I haven't seen people (other than a very few kooks) argue that it makes anyone smarter? To me that isn't the point though. It can't be argued that a super sized Big Mac meal is healthy, but I don't personally need the government to make my meal choices for me. There is currently an estimated 12.7 million obese kids in America. If they all become obese adults, what is the societal costs? And yet, when Michelle Obama tried to push for healthier school lunch options the right screeched about freedom. Now I am supposed to listen to these same people say pot should be illegal because of societal costs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Annual healthcare costs for obesity related illness is $190 billion though, so maybe you guys are correct and we need the all knowing government to step in and help get us into shape. We can call it the war on cellulite and create a big agency called the Fatass Enforcement Agency. Based on the glowing success of the war on drugs, I am sure we will have it whipped in just a few months.
I'm not promoting any point of view, no narrative. I'm just the guy providing a balanced check to odd claims. I've still never said whether or not I'm opposed to Medical Marijuana, or Prop 2. I'm just replying to BS claims whenever they are made.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
I'm sure we've heard the conspiracy theory that Marijuana does cure / help with cancer, but big pharma is once again suppressing it because it would cut into their profits. Of course, this line of logic, once followed through, would have to see big pharma investing in Marijuana healing properties for BILLIONS more in profit.
This was the reason the LDS church was opposed first of all, because of their stock profile invested in big pharma, I remember reading that theory many a time.
So I don't buy for one second that big pharma is opposing Marijuana and that it actually does curb cancer, because they would be all over it for the profits if nothing else. Big pharma would have the finest pot growing fields with the best strains, much better than a stoner in his basement.
If there is a decent chance it helps with Cancer, big pharma would be in a race to take all of the glory for finding the cure to cancer.
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Originally Posted by twotimer
When you say "chill pill" are you referring to an edible? :lol8:
Perhaps you're right and I need to back off. I think maybe this "Platinum Status" has gone to my head. For all of this rhetoric on behalf of marijuana you'd think that I toke up on the regular, but alas 'tis not so. I can't recall when the last time it was...
Come on man. Nobody with any brains believes that conspiracy theory. Sure, you can probably find a few nut jobs on facebook repeating it, but you can also find a few nut jobs who thought Hillary was running an underground sec ring out of a pizza place. I'd say 98% of legalization folks are either like me and think the government should mind their own business, or people that want to use it for whatever reason (medical* or recreational) and don't want to have to risk jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
*as an appetite enhancer, mild pain killer, or for the proven effects on seizures.
Well, that proves my point..... :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
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Originally Posted by Scott Card
I KNEW THAT WAS COMING!!! :lol8:
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Watch out for those damn things! I was in Hawaii a couple years ago when a girlfriend of mine came out to join me. She brought some edibles when we went backpacking in the National Park. I'd never had one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
We were going on a big dayhike and I dropped one into my morning tea...a jelly like thing about the size of a silver dollar. It dissolved and I drank it.
It hit me within 15 minutes and I spent the next 3 hours laid out in the tent. I'll never do that again.
West Wendover has approved the sale of recreational marijuana.
"I’m sure their sales are going to be high," Mayor Daniel Corona told FOX 13 after the vote, adding: "Pun not intended."
https://fox13now.com/2018/11/20/west...rijuana-sales/
I had a similar experience about 5 years ago when a coworker gave me a homemade "cookie". It took about an hour to fully hit, but when it did I legitimately couldn't move. I remember laying there and thinking "I'm pretty sure my body will keep breathing for me, but no other muscle is working so who knows." Fast forward a few years and I was skiing in Steamboat and had a friend buy a special chocolate bar. No amount of coaxing was getting me to take a bite of that thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
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Originally Posted by accadacca
Rah Roh...
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I'm 100% certain that the UHP will spend a LOT more time along that stretch of I-80. If you thought enforcement was tight along the Wyoming/Utah border trolling for fireworks, you ain't seen nothing yet!
My first edible experience was like most, I waited 45 minutes and it didn't hit, so I took another. There's a whole lotta more complicated detail to where I was and who I was with that night, but I think I barely made it out alive. Sometimes you're convinced that if you don't remember to breathe, you'll stop.
Sounds like many have been there before, it is really such a terrible feeling, but it makes me laugh to remember it. :roflol::roflol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I remember reading about some journalist who went to Colorado shortly after they legalized it. She had never smoked pot before and somehow thought it would be a good idea to take a bunch of edibles and sit in her hotel room all by herself. Sounded like she had a pretty terrible few hours and didn't think she would make it out alive.
I remember hearing about that gal, too. I recall thinking she was a total lightweight...and then I went and did the same thing.