Newbs in over their heads

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Originally Posted by USofCS

When it came to safety issues I would usually say something. For instance this weekend we were in Alcatraz and a group was passing us which was fine. We were at the second rappel and they were going to head down our set up. I noticed one of the ladies did t have their harness double backed so I kindly informed her that she would want to fix that. The response I got was " Oh I undid it for comfort after the first rappel.". A very weird response as a very weird thing to do if it was true, but either way she went down the next rappel with it doubled back so I didn't care.

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Hey!

I did that, first rappel, Monday's canyon. Lynn Hill setup: started putting harness on, got distracted. Went last, mostly downclimbed it, the anchor was "light", so I was mostly vertical. Taking the rope out, I noticed my harness was not fully buckled. YIKES!!!

Alpine Bod has certain advantages...

Tom

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Originally Posted by Brian in SLC

Sorry, but, I have to chuckle...

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You're taking what I said out of context. I don't preach these things to people on the Internet. And I don't go around telling everyone their business. I only require it of the people in my groups because I know they have the gear and, as conceited as it may sound, they are my liability. If they get hurt it becomes my problem. If anyone in another group gets hurt, it really only affects me as much as I let it.

After my own noobs in-over-their-heads incident in Englestead if I came across something that seemed unsafe I would at least ask some follow up questions...

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Originally Posted by Bootboy

You're taking what I said out of context. I don't preach these things to people on the Internet. And I don't go around telling everyone their business. I only require it of the people in my groups because I know they have the gear and, as conceited as it may sound, they are my liability. If they get hurt it becomes my problem. If anyone in another group gets hurt, it really only affects me as much as I let it.

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I don't think its really out of context at all. You kinda are preaching. Your the OP on this issue. Comments about dynamic ropes, cotton clothes, I require this and that... Its a form of preaching and...here, on the 'net.

Not sayin' its a bad thing. Just at odds with some of your persepective maybe.

I absolutely feel responsibilty towards folks I recreate with. Sure. But, liable? If someone forgot their helmet (uhhh, me). I'd offer up mine and go without rather than say, hey, you can't go. That additional risk is acceptable to me. I might be more aware and manage it better, hopefully.

And, in hot weather, give me cotton. A wet cotton t-shirt dries out slower and keeps me cooler longer. Hot at night? Give me a thin cotton sheet to sleep in.

And, if I ran into folks in a canyon who needed assistance, I'd pitch in. Whether they were in my group, newbs, or not.

I guess we're all trying to figure out whether or not to tell some folks their business...me included. I probably need charm school...

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Brian in SLC

I don't think its really out of context at all. You kinda are preaching. Your the OP on this issue. Comments about dynamic ropes, cotton clothes, I require this and that... Its a form of preaching and...here, on the 'net.

Not sayin' its a bad thing. Just at odds with some of your persepective maybe.

I absolutely feel responsibilty towards folks I recreate with. Sure. But, liable? If someone forgot their helmet (uhhh, me). I'd offer up mine and go without rather than say, hey, you can't go. That additional risk is acceptable to me. I might be more aware and manage it better, hopefully.

And, in hot weather, give me cotton. A wet cotton t-shirt dries out slower and keeps me cooler longer. Hot at night? Give me a thin cotton sheet to sleep in.

And, if I ran into folks in a canyon who needed assistance, I'd pitch in. Whether they were in my group, newbs, or not.

I guess we're all trying to figure out whether or not to tell some folks their business...me included. I probably need charm school...

Cheers.

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Yeah, what he said.

There are times in intervene. There are times to gently offer some coaching. There are times to grimace and keep your mouth shut. There are times to run away. yada yada... the key is having the wisdom to be able to tell the difference.

Tom

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Originally Posted by ratagonia

Yeah, what he said.

There are times in intervene. There are times to gently offer some coaching. There are times to grimace and keep your mouth shut. There are times to run away. yada yada... the key is having the wisdom to be able to tell the difference.

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