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Well...the take away point then would be that those CA gun laws are actually working. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
What do you think? Are the CA gun laws a model for the whole US? They lead the way on much it seems...ha ha!
Yep, sounds like their gun restrictions are actually working.
I won't pretend to know California's gun laws but a quick google search said that they "banned assault weapons" in 1989 - 1990 timeframe and the data provided in your stats doesn't cover anything before 1999 so how could you ever deduce how effective the ban was? I don't have the numbers and I am sure if I would just GTS I could find them but I suspect California is one of our nations leaders in firearm homicide even with their ban...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Actually...this is fresher data and pretty interesting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state
Oh, they are. Way way higher than Utah.Quote:
Originally Posted by PunchKing
I bet data is out there. Goggle!
Why does the UK care so much about the US? Maybe they are still bitter... HA HAQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Oh and there it was in with that data. It looks like Cali is number 1 with 1220 in 2011...
Sounds like the results of disarming society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
And yes--I do think that if Mexican citizens were more frequently armed, they would be less likely to be victims.
And I don't smoke anything...but thanks for implying.
So would you say that there is no shortage of guns in Mexico, despite a ban?
Would you also say the vast majority of guns in Mexico are in the hands of criminals?
When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns? Mexico's situation is brutal, especially the drug trade. The well armed border patrols and Mexico military haven't been able to deal...can't imagine.
I don't think the Mexico situation has to do with disarming the society. Its a full on drug war. Brutal.
Back to California, though. Their data is interesting. They seen a fairly steady decline in homicides over the last 10+ years, as has the U.S. Their decline in homicide has been fairly dramatic, though.
One of the years, 2008 or so, shows an interesting county by county breakdown of homicide. The highest rate took me by surprise. San Francisco. And, counties near the border with Mexico were lower than those above.
I can't really see data that shows their gun law changes made an impact (other than maybe the rate of decline of homicides), maybe there's a study out there.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/C...rd-3739037.php
And this was pre-obama II
and Newtown
So Mexico's statistics are not relevent, but Australia and the UK are somehow?:ne_nau:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Sounds like listening to what you want to hear.......
And we also shouldn't always compare the AR15 that a standard citizen buys is the same gun that the military issues which is what is stated a lot. You can put a Lamborghini body on a Honda civic but that still doesn't make it a Lamborghini. I am still happy that we live in the US and can still have these discussions to hear opinions. I do believe we all new to be a little more open minded about how to deal with situation. There is usually choice A or B, but we really new to be looking at C or D
Kinda like Wyoming's proposed legislation.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/wyomin...s#.UPBTYG__pAG
Gun nut + Constitution nut = Civil War II - The Sagebrush Rebellion!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
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Actually you have it wrong... if you look at the .223 and 7.62x39 bullets and and make the reasonable assumption they were fired from an "assault rfle" (or at least a rifle)... they are over the rational average of 3.something percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
And I only looked at the chart for about 2 minutes.... I'm sure we can both spend hours framing the stats to support whatever argument we care to make.
:roll: You call them nuts, I call them patriots...Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
FWIW: There are several states proposing similar laws.... South Carolina has a proposed law that any firearm or firearm accessory manufactured in the state is excluded from Federal law. Several other stares are discussing similar laws.
So where do you stand on the issue? Certainly your house in Mt. Carmel is surrounded by gun nuts.........Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Do you have a sign in your front yard--"gun free zone"?:lol8:
Why do you ask? Still feeling irate at me? Thinking about a 2nd Amendment solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Don't assume too much.
There are WAY more gun-owners in this country than there are gun nuts.
Tom
South Carolina tried that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
It didn't go too well, for anyone. Well, except maybe the slaves, but it really did not go so well for them either.
Playing well to the gun-nut/Constitution-nut choir is one thing. Actually passing the laws is another. Being able to enforce the laws is an entirely different thing. The bills are based on a specific, popular (among some) interpretation of the Constitution, that is not supported by the jurisprudence. But heck, the gun-nuts changed the Second Amendment to a personal right (Heller v. D.C.) helped by careful and clever packing of the Supreme Court with Federalists, so I guess anything is possible. Wonder who President Palin will appoint to the Supreme Court - Wayne LaPierre?
Tom
Yeah... the good ol' days.... by the way... how is that War on Drugs going for the Feds? By my last count 18 states had told the Feds to do screw themselves with regards to Marijuana. When are the Yankee's going to march on the rebels?Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Hell, if the Feds can't stop a bunch if high, peace loving, stoners, how are they ever doing to deal with armed patriots?
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I've never been irate with you, you don't matter that much.:mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
And yes--I'm trying to see how you feel about your Presidents 2nd amendment solutions.(at this point proposed solutions)
I can spell them out if your not certain what they are.....
MY second Amendment solution is to leave it alone!
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
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Originally Posted by 2065toyota
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