NFL & National Anthem

[accadacca]

We may need a separate thread to talk about this one. It’s blown up!

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Steelers won't participate in anthem, will stay in locker room

Jaguars owner takes part as both teams protest before London game

Raiders' all African-American O-line to protest during anthem

[accadacca]

The NFL ratings will suffer like they did last year. People watch sports to relax and for an outlet, not to hear about politics. Many will turn it off or choose not to attend games.

Trump forced the NFL commissioner to take a stance and he chose to side with the players. In doing so, he took a stance against those who this offends.

It is certainly their right to protest. I just don’t understand how these protests solve any problems or make things better. They do not bring any unity when the act itself offends and is seen as disrespectful by many.

Can someone explain how these protests are going to help make the United States less divisive?

[Iceaxe]

I believe Trump starts these little shit storms intentionally. The media is now off chasing the NFL squirrel and has completely forgotten about the Russian unicorn, replacing Obama Care and everything else that reflects badly on Trump.

Trump is a master at manipulating the media. He has attacked a subject that is controversial, and where half the country will support him as many see this as nothing more than disrespecting the National Anthem.

[accadacca]

Browns, Colts, Patriots booed during anthem protests

[accadacca]

Look: NFL teams take varying approaches to national anthem in Week 3

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1381735

[oldno7]

probably difficult for some to watch, it stands for something.(flag)
It's not just a symbol, it's who we are and where we came from.
This is why some are trying so hard to destroy our history.

(little History lesson, for those inclined)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=683&v=YaxGNQE5ZLA

[Iceaxe]

Normally I cheer against the Cowboys, but at least for this weekend I'm a Cowboys fan.

Jerry Jones: Cowboys will stand for the flag or "your ass is off the team".

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[twotimer]

So the Raiders are all sitting there with foul expressions as some chick belts out the National Anthem...you can see "F-you, honkey!" all over their faces and their getting ready to beat the shit out of each other in front of thousands of white folks.

Once again, the blacks and their bootlicking sycophants are fighting a battle that they can't win. They can't even clearly define what it is they're bent about...except to throw up the finger at our "racist" country. That ain't gonna work...not in the big picture. They've got to refine themselves somehow.

They're defending a bunch of criminals and thugs. They sell poison to each other and kill each other's kids. They should have more concern about the gang members than the cops.

I think these athletes are spoiled rotten dumb asses.

[gholt]

Agreed

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[Scott P]

So the Raiders

I don't even know that much about football, but I do know that almost everyone hates the Raiders.

[Iceaxe]

Raiders got their ass handed to them tonight.... It seemed only fitting....

[Iceaxe]

Just a thought. Had Trump tweeted in support of those that SIT during our National Anthem, every one of those NFL players would have been standing today with their hands over their hearts.... Just saying...

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[accadacca]

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[hank moon]

I don't even know that much about football, but I do know that almost everyone hates the Raiders.

Shauna Burrows is a huge Raiders fan - or...was?

[Iceaxe]

Shauna Burrows is a huge Raiders fan - or...was?She still is, but she refused to watch the game when the Raiders refused to stand for the National Anthem. I'm betting the NFL takes a hit in the ratings over this as I'm thinking a large number of fans feel as she does. Many in her family have served in the military and I know none of them were happy about what they consider disrespect to those who served.

[Iceaxe]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2017/09/24/nascar-owners-trump-protests-response-petty-ganassi-childress/698122001/

High five to NASCAR.

[uintafly]

If only people were as upset about cops killing unarmed black men as they were about a peaceful protest, maybe this could have been all avoided. Also, I am sure all of you outraged folks proudly stand at home with your hand over your heart anytime you hear the anthem. You know doubt follow the rest of the rules about the flag as well, no clothes, not used to sell crap, not on plates, etc.

The fact is this country still suffers from serious systemic racism. And while no doubt all of the middle and upper class white people on the internet could easily overcome the generations of oppression, lack of access to quality schools, healthcare, etc., etc. etc., maybe the America you live in is a little bit different from the America for the average African American. From the beginning Kaepernick said this wasn't a protest of the anthem, the flag and especially the military, but is done to bring attention to a serious problem in the country. I have also seen a ton of active a past members of the military give their support to the protest, so it can't be all that offensive.

Did anyone else see the irony of a bunch of white people in Alabama getting outraged because a few black guys refused to stand when told?

I do agree with Iceaxe that Trump knew what would happen and did it to distract from the all the negatives surrounding the administration: the graft of Mnuchin and Price, impending healthcare failure #3, Mueller, Kushner's private email use.....

[Iceaxe]

If only people were as upset about cops killing unarmed black men as they were about a peaceful protest, maybe this could have been all avoided. Also, I am sure all of you outraged folks proudly stand at home with your hand over your heart anytime you hear the anthem. You know doubt follow the rest of the rules about the flag as well, no clothes, not used to sell crap, not on plates, etc.

Actually I do respect all the rules of the flag.... and I do agree the blacks have a legit bitch.....

But let's take your argument one step further.... if the black community was as outraged and would step up and do something about the thousands of young black men killing each other in the streets every year it would be a more productive battle and more lives would be saved... just saying...

[Sombeech]

These players (people that get paid millions to play a game) are expressing themselves on their privileged platform in front of millions, to express their opinion.

Then the President has the same Constitutional right to express his opinion on his privileged platform in front of millions, and these rich fortunate game players get their feelbads hurt.

What should really happen is a new rule saying White honkees can't tackle these poor rich black fellas.

[uintafly]

Actually I do respect all the rules of the flag.... and I do agree the blacks have a legit bitch.....

But let's take your argument one step further.... if the black community was as outraged and would step up and do something about the thousands of young black men killing each other in the streets every year it would be a more productive battle and more lives would be saved... just saying...

Lots of people have and continually do. Take for instance Colin Kaepernick who is well on his way to completing his $1,000,000 pledge. http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/

Hell, I would bet athletes on average provide more charity time than most other professions.

[oldno7]

Can't argue with a thing this man says,

https://www.facebook.com/newlypress/videos/1892036181060754/

[oldno7]

or this guy.

https://www.facebook.com/JamesTHarrisMedia/videos/1543146489096348/

[twotimer]

From the beginning Kaepernick said this wasn't a protest of the anthem, the flag and especially the military, but is done to bring attention to a serious problem in the country. IBut real quick after he took that knee he came out sportin' socks that depicted cops as pigs. That's when this whole thing really shit the bed.

He screwed the whole thing up.

[accadacca]

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[Iceaxe]

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[uintafly]

But real quick after he took that knee he came out sportin' socks that depicted cops as pigs. That's when this whole thing really shit the bed.

He screwed the whole thing up.

The Castro shirt wasn't helpful either, but an imperfect messenger doesn't change the message.

I thought this was a good perspective from a vet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNJUsE7pEs4

By the way Ice, your wife missed nothing when she skipped the Raiders game. Their offensive line looked as bad as byu and Amari Cooper's 1 catch fir 6 years really torpedoed by fantasy team. So much for the Raiders being good this year.

Also ratings seemed to be a bit mixed with SNF being down and MNF being up, and the average up 3% from last year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/26/monday-night-football-ratings-up-for-the-season-way-up-for-week-3/

[oldno7]

but an imperfect messenger doesn't change the message.





What is the message??

[Sombeech]

We keep hearing about all of these unarmed black men shot by white cops, as if there were some lopsided statistic compared to white men shot by cops.

Well, there are some definite biased statistics, because there are more unarmed white men shot and killed by police than there are black men.

That, and the whole "Hands up don't shoot" movement was started because of the lie boosted by mainstream media.

So I've gotta ask, what is this message about cops killing black men?

[uintafly]

What is the message??

I am guessing they are sick of police practices like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/?utm_term=.8ab540651503

The shooting are the extreme cases and may be few and far between, but the everyday harassment isn't. Quick anecdotal story from me. I've been pulled over probably half a dozen or so times in my life. Every time for an obvious infraction, except one. On that occasion I was pulled over for "failure to signal", and I have no idea if it was legit or not. But I happened to be driving with a black friend, and after the cop asked for my docs, he then when ahead and asked for the ID of my passenger as well. Goes to the cruiser, comes back, has my buddy get out of the car, does a full pat down and starts giving him 20 questions. Meanwhile I am comfortably sitting in my car. Ends up that his name was supposedly similar to someone with outstanding warrants and we go on our way. Maybe it was a one off and had nothing to do with him being black, but there sure seems to be a lot of stories like that. Ever had a cop check the ID of your passengers for a traffic violation? Ever been quizzed because your name is similar to someone else's? Ever been taken out of a car and given a pat down because you were driving with someone who didn't use their turn signal? Those were all a one time thing for me.

[oldno7]

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I am guessing they are sick of police practices like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/?utm_term=.8ab540651503

The shooting are the extreme cases and may be few and far between, but the everyday harassment isn't. Quick anecdotal story from me. I've been pulled over probably half a dozen or so times in my life. Every time for an obvious infraction, except one. On that occasion I was pulled over for "failure to signal", and I have no idea if it was legit or not. But I happened to be driving with a black friend, and after the cop asked for my docs, he then when ahead and asked for the ID of my passenger as well. Goes to the cruiser, comes back, has my buddy get out of the car, does a full pat down and starts giving him 20 questions. Meanwhile I am comfortably sitting in my car. Ends up that his name was supposedly similar to someone with outstanding warrants and we go on our way. Maybe it was a one off and had nothing to do with him being black, but there sure seems to be a lot of stories like that. Ever had a cop check the ID of your passengers for a traffic violation? Ever been quizzed because your name is similar to someone else's? Ever been taken out of a car and given a pat down because you were driving with someone who didn't use their turn signal? Those were all a one time thing for me.

So if a higher number of whites are targeted and shot than blacks, the nfl protest is for them too?

[oldno7]

Theres a disproportionate number of blacks killed by other blacks, is this protest to help them??

[Brian in SLC]

So if a higher number of whites are targeted and shot than blacks, the nfl protest is for them too?

I don't believe the data supports your statement. As a percentage, more blacks are shot than whites by cops. And, if you're involved in an officer to officer shooting, the officers shot by other officers were 9 out of 10 times more likely to be black or Hispanic.

Based on the percentage of population of whites and blacks, blacks are more than 2.5 times as likely to be shot and killed by a cop than a white person.

You can crunch the numbers yourself if you'd like:

https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings/blob/master/fatal-police-shootings-data.csv

[oldno7]

seriously--the washington post???wtf

here, try the real fbi numbers, make up your own story.(your good at it)

these are 2016 statistics.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

and not to get off target--what is the nfl protest about??

I know what kapernicks protest was..

apparently brian favors the undefined(as of yet) nfl protest.

[Brian in SLC]

seriously--the washington post???wtf

here, try the real fbi numbers, make up your own story.(your good at it)

these are 2016 statistics.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

That data is for arrests. You got FBI data on police shootings? Or any data from any source?

The arrest data itself is interesting. Arrest mirror the populations as percentages much closer than being shot. Especially being shot if you're unarmed...

Demography of the US is 73.6% white and 12.6% black.

From your referenced table 21A, in 2016, 69.6% of arrests were white, 26.9% were black.

Its interesting to look at arresting charge and percentages. Murder, robbery, gambling, suspicion and curfew are skewed toward the black population.

I don't see where the FBI compiles data on race and police shootings. They compile data on police being shot. But, not data on police doing the shooting. At least not that I could find.

If you don't like the Washington Post data, what data on police shootings works for you?

I checked at least the Utah data against the database and it seemed accurate. You look at the data and surmise that it was not accurate? Even that poor feller with the shovel in the Ave's was in there from 2015.


and not to get off target--what is the nfl protest about??

I know what kapernicks protest was..

apparently brian favors the undefined(as of yet) nfl protest.

I favor an undefined protest by the NFL? What's that even mean?

What do I think the NFL protest was about? Team solidarity in light of the "great divider's" comments.

What do you think the NFL protest is about?

Honestly, I felt like the league let this issue get away from them a bit. The players wear a uniform and sign a contract. If they don't want to honor that contract...up to them. But, the owners/team/league shoulda cleared the air on this last year. That chicken came home to roost as the player that got the most attention for this doesn't have a job.

“players are encouraged but not required (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2016/08/27/kaepernick-doesnt-stand-national-anthem-49ers-issue-statement/) to stand during the National Anthem.”

You pays your money and you takes your chances. If you want to not stand for the pledge or the anthem, up to you, but, you suffer the consequences. I don't feel that sorry for the Kapernick feller. Maybe after his career he shoulda got into politics not during. Big risk. Maybe he took one for the team or the greater good. I'm not so sure.

But, the league, who made the rules these guys sign up to, didn't enforce (or watered down) those rules. So, they kinda either turned a blind eye or accepted the kneeling thing. Which, a lot of people had an issue with.

Saw an interview last night with Tommie Smith. A raised fist and a bowed head. Little stronger statement than taking a knee and bowing a head. Enormous image. And, we're still talking about it.

Helluva time to be alive...(and...wild timing on Ken Burns' Vietnam series...).

[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

The NFL has really screwed the pooch on this one. The NFL for many years has been the only major sport not in decline as viewers/fans have found other interests thanks to the internet and satellite TV.

This time the NFL has taken sides in a battle that is impossible for them to win as Trump has brilliantly wrapped himself in the flag and painted anyone taking a different stance as anti-American an unpatriotic. Not to mention turning the spotlight off on a couple items not currently going in his favor.

This is the beginning of the NFL's rating slide and they will never recover. Expert's have been predicting for years that the NFL would eventually follow the other major sports into decline and this is the trigger. Some viewers will switch stations because of the National Anthem controversy and never return. The NFL has finally managed to screw the unscrewable pooch.

/bookmarked

[oldno7]

Cards are falling.

nfl sunday ticket

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20829346/directv-offering-refunds-fans-wishing-cancel-nfl-sunday-ticket-package

[twotimer]

I'm listening to local talk radio and this is the hot topic...EVERYBODY'S pissed!

On Sunday I was working and had the radio set up to listen to the game, as I have for decades when I work on that day.

The voice of the Broncos says "Twenty five men of the 53 man roster just took a knee" and right at the moment, I wanted the Broncos to get their asses kicked...and they did.

I'm done with them. I won't even listen to the big game next week. It's just ruined until something drastic happens. The owners have to know that if they let this slide, some of these guys will start doing whatever the hell they want and the drama will never end.

I think the tell will be next week...if these players were smart, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM would stand for the anthem. They could proclaim "point made" and get a little damage control in, too.

We'll see what happens, huh? It's all just going to wiggle around 'till Sunday. Thursday night might give a clue...

[accadacca]

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[twotimer]

I say the top one is photoshopped.

[accadacca]

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[Iceaxe]

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The top picture is Daytona 2016... And holly time machine.... The bottom picture is Charlotte 2000. FWIW - both Dale Earnhardt #3 and Adam Petty #45 were killed in separate racing accidents in the spring of 2000.

Fans in the infield can can cheer for the driver of their choice and fly any flag they wish. Just like the tailgate party at any other sport. However NASCAR does discourage fans from flying the Confederate Naval Jack. In fact NASCAR will swap any fan who wishes an American flag for any Confederate flag.

Also.... NASCAR team owners have sided with Trump and stated any team members not standing during the National Anthem will be given a bus ticket home.

[uintafly]

The NFL has really screwed the pooch on this one. The NFL for many years has been the only major sport not in decline as viewers/fans have found other interests thanks to the internet and satellite TV.

This time the NFL has taken sides in a battle that is impossible for them to win as Trump has brilliantly wrapped himself in the flag and painted anyone taking a different stance as anti-American an unpatriotic. Not to mention turning the spotlight off on a couple items not currently going in his favor.

This is the beginning of the NFL's rating slide and they will never recover. Expert's have been predicting for years that the NFL would eventually follow the other major sports into decline and this is the trigger. Some viewers will switch stations because of the National Anthem controversy and never return. The NFL has finally managed to screw the unscrewable pooch.

/bookmarked

It is fascinating (and scary) that somehow our most unpatriotic president has been able to convince the country that he is the final say on who is and isn't a patriotic American. 5 bogus deferments, insulting American POW's, colluding with a foreign power to swing the election. No matter, when your the world's bet carnival barker. And yeah, anyone who flies the stars and bars while whining about taking a knee being disrespectful is an idiot.

This won't kill the NFL but it may bring it down a notch. The combo of a million entertainment options, CTE, moving teams, shitty QB play, etc. all contribute but this certainly won't help. The ironic thing for me that I personally have no issue with the protest, but I still watch probably 25% of the amount of football I used to watch just a few years ago. I just have little interest in 90% of the games, but that goes for all sports.

I also think we should take the burning jerseys out beyond sports. Let's just start burning our shit when companies piss us off. Tom Jones calls you out for not wearing a helmet? Burn your Imlay gear! Your alma mater lets Milo on campus? Burn your diploma! You notice an "I'm With Her" bumper sticker on your dentist's SUV? Rip that filling out and burn the bastard!!! That'll teach em'

[oldno7]

sjw at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

[Iceaxe]

Of interest.... The average US Soldier makes $40k a year. The average NFL player makes $2.44 million a year.

Blue collar Joe Sixpack is Trumps base, that's also the foundation of the NFL's fan base. Joe Sixpack might not be well educated, but he is patriotic, which is evident by the general makeup of our armed forces.

[Scott P]

Of interest.... The average US Soldier makes $40k a year. The average NFL player makes $2.44 million a year.

Blue collar Joe Sixpack is Trumps base, that's also the foundation of the NFL's fan base. Joe Sixpack might not be well educated, but he is patriotic, which is evident by the general makeup of our armed forces.

That demographic fits with the military, but now with the other people making less than $50K a year. Most people making $40K voted for Clinton.

[Brian in SLC]

Blue collar Joe Sixpack is Trumps base, that's also the foundation of the NFL's fan base. Joe Sixpack might not be well educated, but he is patriotic, which is evident by the general makeup of our armed forces.

Also evident in the audible boos from the fans.

Interesting to watch tomorrow night. Gonna hit the NFL's bottom line. As a business, we'll see what they do.

[Iceaxe]

Also evident in the audible boos from the fans.

Interesting to watch tomorrow night. Gonna hit the NFL's bottom line. As a business, we'll see what they do.

More than just the NFL's bottomline is going to take a hit. DirecTV is already taking a big hit with fans requesting refunds on their NFL ticket package. That's a big ticket item for them. And how is this going to impact the numerous bars and clubs that plan their Sunday along with Monday and Thursday nights around the NFL. When how long until network TV sponsors begin requesting breaks on their purchased commercial time or stop renewing. Anything involving the NFL has pretty much been a licence to print money to date.

[uintafly]

In reality it any boycott will take a while to hit the NFL bottom line. The majority of their income comes from their TV deals which are signed, sealed and delivered already. Even if ratings plummet it doesn't hurt the NFL until the contracts are up for renegotiation. Season tix for this year are probably sold out for the majority of teams so potentially there could be a drop in revenue next year, but this year is fine. But you are still talking about only 8 home games and a limited # of seats so for most franchises they will still have enough fans willing to shell out the cash for the games especially considering the average attention span of Americans.

More interesting to me is what the NBA will do in a few weeks. That league is much more progressive and with guaranteed contracts the owners have a lot less power than NFL owners. "Republicans buy sneakers too" is MJ's famous line, but I don't get the impression that this crop of NBA superstar is afraid of controversy. LBJ already called trump a bum and was met mainly with praise.


By the way, who is going to lead the "lock him up" chant about for Kush and his private emails?

[Iceaxe]

The money teams make from actual butts in the stadium seats is of little consequence. The LA Rams and LA Chargers prove that point. It's all about the TV money.

[Scott P]

Just a thought, but the NFL discussion deserves its own thread.

[twotimer]

Nah...this thread is all about Trump. That guy is such a badass, I love it.

Watching him do his thing almost stokes the anarchist part of me. Just shake things up just for the hell of it.

Now he's on to tax reform. Those stinking, money grubbing congressmen are likely to piss on that, too. I'm glad that at least somebody is trying.

[Iceaxe]

Actually Colin Kapernick started this long before Trump came along. Trump was just the latest in a long line of people to toss gas on this dumpster fire.

[accadacca]

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[twotimer]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/744b9c4bfe9c676720b1884b72a15489.pngI'm tellin' ya, man...they just can't win. It's a tragic comedy.

[Sombeech]

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:roflol::roflol::roflol:But they was, they was!

[Iceaxe]

The NFL and the National Anthem ruckus now has it's own thread. This problem really began to blow up back in 2012 with Trayvon Martin, Black Lives Matter, Obama and his "if I had a son" speech, Colin Kaepernick... you get the idea.

[Brian in SLC]

The NFL and the National Anthem ruckus now has it's own thread. This problem really began to blow up back in 2012 with Trayvon Martin, Black Lives Matter, Obama and his "if I had a son" speech, Colin Kaepernick... you get the idea.

Started WAY before that...

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And we're still dealing with "it"...

Funny...I have a "mild" bet with the ultra liberal that the NFL will actually see a boost, money wise, with all the liberal support for their protest.

Not likely, I say...

[Iceaxe]

I agree this started long ago, I guess I'm saying the latest major eruption seems to have started with Treyvon Martin.

You could also add the O.J. deal into the mix. I remember a black friend telling me "I know O.J. is guilty as hell, but it's nice to see a black man finally get off".

I've maintained all along the blacks have a legitimate bitch, I just think they would be much better served to pick their battles a little more wisely.

[Iceaxe]

sjw at the Tomb of the Unknown SoldierEven worse in the eyes of the military, this guy was kneeling during the playing of Taps.

[Scott P]

I've maintained all along the blacks have a legitimate bitch, I just think they would be much better served to pick their battles a little more wisely.

Millions of people watch football, and look (or looked?) up to these players, so they could have made a real difference in getting their point across and raising awareness. Unfortunately they chose one of the stupidest ways to get a point across and their message has been completely overshadowed by their method of protest.

It's pretty sad that they could have made a real difference in a more positive manner. People will focus on and remember the controversy and disrespect before remembering their cause.

[oldno7]

Millions of people watch football, and look (or looked?) up to these players, so they could have made a real difference in getting their point across and raising awareness. Unfortunately they chose one of the stupidest ways to get a point across and their message has been completely overshadowed by their method of protest.

It's pretty sad that they could have made a real difference in a more positive manner. People will focus on and remember the controversy and disrespect before remembering their cause.

Do you know what the "cause" is?:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

Even worse in the eyes of the military, this guy was kneeling during the playing of Taps.

I'm thinking dis'n the military is a fools mission.

maybe a greater fools mission than dis'n the flag and country.

Be interesting to see if this guys name doesn't become internet folklore.

[oldno7]

I found a football league who will stand for the anthem.

Probably a better game anyway.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21645/lingerie-football-league-responds-nfl-protests-we-ryan-saavedra?#

[twotimer]

Bread and circuses, man. A sideshow of freaks and clowns. These shallow pundits on TV love it when they see physical action. At least no one is getting hurt...yet.

So the Packers want everyone in the stadium to link arms. Try to imagine how these players feel right now with all the cameras on them and tension everywhere. Now that's how you get things done, eh? Lots of tension...

[Brian in SLC]

Arm in arm...no kneeling..

[Iceaxe]

Arm in arm...no kneeling..^^^This^^^

My first thought when this exploded was lock arms to show solidarity while standing respectfully for the flag. Exact same message without instantly alienating half the population.

[uintafly]

Do you know what the "cause" is?:ne_nau:

A very simple google search could have solved your ignorance. http://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2017/09/25/doug-baldwin-nfl-trump-entire-anthem-protest-lead-intv.cnn


So what now? I am willing to bet that we don't see much kneeling for the rest of the season during the anthem, but the Dallas game proved that taking even taking a knee before the anthem is not appropriate. So when is fair for these guys to protest what they see as injustice? Is there a way black people can protest without upsetting the snowflakes on the right?

[oldno7]

So have any of your sjw's who are oppressed, offered help for black on black murder in large cities?

or are they too busy counting their millions?

Really, it's easy to complain but when you have the power to have the national spotlight, shone directly on

you and your cause, do you offer a solution?

Lots of problems in this world, not many problem solvers.

It sure would be nice if everyone in America had a chance/opportunity to earn millions of dollars or maybe even become President, regardless of race.

[Rob L]

It sure would be nice if everyone in America had a chance/opportunity to earn millions of dollars or maybe even become President, regardless of race.

I thought you did? (as long as you were born there, for the Presidency bit) :?:

[Iceaxe]

I thought you did? (as long as you were born there, for the Presidency bit) :?:

I'm pretty sure he just forgot to add the tag:
/sarcasm

[uintafly]

Well I have posted it before but since you seem to be a little slow OldNo7 I will do it again. Here is the guy blacklisted by the NFL putting his money where his mouth is. http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/

He's not a millionaire but did this count? http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Deshaun-Watson-gives-paycheck-to-Harvey-victims/bad695cd-54eb-4993-b183-a8dd63da9722

Again a quick google search gives this: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/16375378/nfl-players-charity-donations-jj-watt-hurricane-harvey-patrick-peterson-foundation

Interesting the trump spent all of his tweets bitching and missed the good.

[Brian in SLC]

you and your cause, do you offer a solution?

Only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

Ha ha.

Part of the problem is there isn't really an assignable cause for the spike in homicides. Blaming BLM isn't it. I'm not sure blaming cops is helpful either.

Easy access to guns, disenfranchised youth, bleak opportunity outlook, nothing to lose?

I haven't been near/around Chicago for a number of years so couldn't comment on that situation. Remember a few years back, going to St. Louis on a business trip, and decided to drive through East St. Louis for fun to see what up with that place. Whoo. Scary. Crazy to think there's that kind of place in the good ol' U S of A. Sad.

St. Louis has by far the highest murder rate in the US of any city. Over double Chicago.

Good ol' Salt Lake City (2012 data)? 4.2. St. Louis? 59.3.

SLC had a big spike in 2016. Even so, set to the #/100,000 bench mark? We're at 3.

[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

...

[oldno7]

,,,

[oldno7]

,.,.

[twotimer]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170930/ebb6f76bef2fd07ccabfb5690e02f5e8.jpgYeah, they can say what they want about him but after what he did in the last Super Bowl there's no denying that that dude is the bomb. That's all there is to it.

[accadacca]

Spilling into college...

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[Iceaxe]

I notice the liberal mainstream media failed to mention this little incident.... Saturday at the Northwestern vs Wisconsin game the Northwestern Wildcats showed those crybabies in the NFL what respect for the country is all about [emoji631]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171001/78f1743c5587a16dba5aeca9454ca0db.jpg

[oldno7]

Happening in high school as well but at least it ended fairly...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coach-kicks-players-off-team-national-anthem-protest-crosby-texas/

[hank moon]

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[uintafly]

So far no massive drop in ratings. Some spots are down some up. Hard to give much validity to the idea that the anthem has really hurt the NFL. Week 1 for instance was way down from last year almost across the board. Week 2 (before Trump's speech) had 3 million fewer viewers than this week (non including MNF which isn't yet shown). SNF and MNF are still winning their time slots. Also to put these #'s into perspective, the early London game which was an absolute abortion of a football game and started before most of the West Coast was awake had a 4 rating. The recent NASCAR playoff race in New Hampshire got a 1.3. This years Daytona 500 had a 6.6, which only beat the London Game.

The 2016 World Series averaged a 12.9, but that included a game 7 featuring the Chicago Cubs that scored a 21.8. 2016 was the first World Series to average higher that a 10 rating since 2009. So one of the most talked about World Series in recent memory could barely muster a rating higher than a week 4 Cowboys/Rams game, and that is with CBS siphoning off a 7 rating on their slate of games. I think it is safe to say the NFL isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nfl-tv-ratings-viewership-nbc-cbs-fox-espn-nfln-regular-season-playoffs/

[2065toyota]

Makes me glad I didn't do any fantasy football this year. Don't really plan on watching any of the whiners anymore. I have better things in life to be doing

[twotimer]

Trump called them out. He shamed them. He sure has a way of getting things moving. He did the same thing on the Apprentice...show me the money. Everybody was thinking it but no one would say it.

If anything good comes from this, it's that some of these players will start investing in the inner cities. That's where the rot in our country is...put your money where your mouth is.

[accadacca]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/10/07/national-anthem-protests-dont-appear-hurting-nfl-ticket-sales/715151001/

[Iceaxe]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/10/07/national-anthem-protests-dont-appear-hurting-nfl-ticket-sales/715151001/
It's funny when folks post "facts" from the same #fakenews that told us Hillary would win in a landslide.

[Iceaxe]

It appears some NFL owners are about to institute the exact policy of standing during the National Anthem that Trump suggested. Hard to imagine they would do such a thing if kneeling was not hurting their bottom line.

http://dailysnark.com/report-two-nfl-teams-attempting-create-policy-players-must-stand-national-anthem/

[accadacca]

After the national anthem was played before the Colts' contest against the San Francisco 49ers, Pence tweeted that he was leaving the game because he felt the event was disrespectful to "our soldiers, our flag, and our national anthem."

During the anthem, no Colts players displayed signs of protest, however 23 players on the 49ers sideline took a knee during the anthem, according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk.

Hours earlier, Pence posted a photo with his wife stating how excited he was to see Peyton Manning's jersey retirement ceremony.

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[ivanico1008]

Piss off with ur stupid bullshit, they have the ****ing right to kneel, your ****ing troops fighting for blood and sand ensure it, or do they?

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[Iceaxe]

Piss off with ur stupid bullshit, they have the ****ing right to kneel, your ****ing troops fighting for blood and sand ensure it, or do they?

Poslano sa mog WAS-LX1 koristeći TapatalkLame first post.... please try again, this time please bring facts and a PowerPoint presentation.

[ivanico1008]

Lame first post.... please try again, this time please bring facts and a PowerPoint presentation.Okay, what?

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[Brian in SLC]

Okay, what?

Poslano sa mog WAS-LX1 koristeći Tapatalk

Croatia?

[double moo]

Platinum Level for sure...

[Sombeech]

Piss off with ur stupid bullshit, they have the ****ing right to kneel, your ****ing troops fighting for blood and sand ensure it, or do they?

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You're absolutely right, they have the right to kneel. And by that same right, we have the right to criticize them.

Nobody's going to jail, correct? Or did I miss the story where one of these spoiled millionaire bitches got locked up for kneeling?

[twotimer]

Platinum Level for sure...Ha,ha!...I'll never forget that dude.

[rockgremlin]

Reposting from a different thread:

I was in attendance for the National Anthem at the Utah game yesterday. It was interesting to see the dynamic among the crowd in light of all of the attention this subject has received in the media.

It was amazing and a little eerie to witness how silent the crowd got when the flag was trotted out onto the field. I've never seen the crowd so engaged and respectful of the ceremony as what I witnessed yesterday. You could almost hear a pin drop. People were whispering and singing along to the National Anthem. I've NEVER seen that before. Really cool experience.

[hank moon]

....

[Iceaxe]

Cowboys and Redskins have put in place team rules banning players from kneeling during National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/jerry-jones-dan-snyder-banned-players-kneeling-anthem/

[oldno7]

gee-you never seemed bothered when obama would send his wife and kids to Hawaii on one plane(with security)
Then he would come later on AF1

Worried about tax money being spent(not likely, considering the source)
Or just trolling, which you suck at:roflol:

[oldno7]

Cowboys and Redskins have put in place team rules banning players from kneeling during National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/jerry-jones-dan-snyder-banned-players-kneeling-anthem/

They ain't putting this cat back in the bag,imo.

Damage done, especially by jones himself.

[oldno7]

and before scott p jumps in...

I know this was before the anthem, they embraced arms during=lack of respect.

jones is a money guy, first and foremost.

He gambled, time will tell if it paid off or failed.

[Sombeech]

For those calling the stunt by Pence a form of oppression, most countries would disagree, as jail time and death penalties seem to be the form of government oppression in some places.

The leader walked out of the game? Boo hoo. But if you want to see oppression, this is not the same as passive aggressiveness. Oppression is a prison sentence or death. #FirstWorldProblems

[oldno7]

,,,

[accadacca]

I guess this whole kneeling thing is really getting to some of the coaches. Probably coaching the Dolphins doesn't help either...

Video Appears To Show Dolphins O-Line Coach Chris Foerster Snorting Lines


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DZrkcpMUjk


An attempt at a transcript (*dirty language):


Hey babe. Miss you. Thinking about you. How ‘bout me going into a meeting, and doing this before I go? [snort] There’s those big grains falling, but I miss you. I miss you a lot. [snort] What do you think? Crazy? I know, babe. It’s gonna be a while before we can do this again, because I know you’re going to keep that baby[?]. But I think about you when I do it. I think about how much I miss you, how hot we got together. How much fun it was. So much fun. Last little bit before I go to my meeting. [snort] [inaudible] You think? I think not. I wish I was licking this off your pussy.


When asked about the video, a Dolphins spokesperson didn’t have much to add:


We were just made aware of the video and will have no comment at this time.


Update (Oct. 9, 10:24 a.m. ET): Foerster has resigned (http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/press-releases/article-1/Miami-Dolphins-Statements/59ac3254-7093-447a-b5a7-b9497dde6761):

I am resigning from my position with the Miami Dolphins and accept full responsibility for my actions. I want to apologize to the organization and my sole focus is on getting the help that I need with the support of my family and medical professionals.

[Scott P]

and before scott p jumps in...

I know this was before the anthem, they embraced arms during=lack of respect.

jones is a money guy, first and foremost.

He gambled, time will tell if it paid off or failed.

I'm not sure why I was mentioned as going to jump in, since I haven't said much on this topic, but since I was called out I will add the following summary concerning my thoughts on the topic.

How many times in my life I have watched the NFL = 0

How many times in the rest of my life I plan on watching the NFL = 0

Money I have spent on anything NFL = 0

How many times I would care if the whole NFL went bankrupt = 0

My opinion on choosing to kneel during the national anthem = It's a stupid way to protest. Find another way if you want people to listen to your point.

That about sums it up for me.

[rockgremlin]

Oops. Say goodbye to that dream coaching job with Miami.

That's a lot of lines all at once. Either that dude's a chronic cokehead or that's some bunk baby powder laced coke right there.

[Scott P]

Football is like a Dodge Truck. It sucks and tries to kill you.

[twotimer]

Oops. Say goodbye to that dream coaching job with Miami.

That's a lot of lines all at once. Either that dude's a chronic cokehead or that's some bunk baby powder laced coke right there.OMG, it's like a flashback. Reminds me of 1981.

I had a girlfriend (Mary) who was an accountant for these two Iranian dudes who sold and installed solar panels. They had 5 telemarketers working the phones and a crew to install. She embezzled more than 100K in two years,..and aside from a nice, oak bedroom set, the rest of it went up in coke. "Eight Balls" they were called (eighth of an ounce).

You'd think this guy would be old enough to not do that shit, but hell...he's having fun.

Yeah, the powder coated kitty.

[hank moon]

....

[Iceaxe]

Cowboys and Redskins have put in place team rules banning players from kneeling during National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/jerry-jones-dan-snyder-banned-players-kneeling-anthem/Add the Miami Dolphins to the list of teams that have banned kneeling during the National Anthem.

[accadacca]

Report: NFL to consider rule change requiring players to stand for anthem

NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said on Tuesday that anthem protests will be a topic of discussion by team owners at league meetings next week, according to Albert Breer of The MMQB.

Owners will also consider a rule change that would make standing during the national anthem mandatory, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports. The rulebook currently only encourages players to stand with a hand on their heart.

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1395017

[oldno7]

...

[Iceaxe]

Report: NFL to consider rule change requiring players to stand for anthem

This was Game, Set and Match to Trump the minute he turned the narrative away from social injustice and into a matter of patriotism. Say what you like about Trump, but the guy is a master at manipulating the media and understanding his base.

All that's left now is for the NFL to try and figure out an escape where they don't totally lose face. The NFL will now come out with some big lame ass press release about the.... owners agreed.... best interest.... moving forward..... respect.... yada, yada....



:flag:
#MAGA

[rockgremlin]

It'll be tricky for sure, because if NFL owners mandate certain behavior during the National Anthem it'll be seen as stifling the player's rights to free speech. This whole thing could seriously blow up in their face.

[Iceaxe]

It'll be tricky for sure, because if NFL owners mandate certain behavior during the National Anthem it'll be seen as stifling the player's rights to free speech. This whole thing could seriously blow up in their face.

It's not tricky at all. The NFL is a private company so they can pretty much mandate what they wish. They can treat this the exact same way they treat excessive end zone celebrations, just make it part of the rules package. Not standing for the National Anthem is a 15 yard penalty, loss of right to participate in the coin toss and/or ejection from the game... easy, peazy....

The only tricky part is the NFL attempted to give Trump the middle finger and Trump made them look like a bunch of asshats. Now the NFL needs to find a way to try and lose the hat.

FWIW - NASCAR has a rule stating you can't do anything detrimental to the sport or you are suspended indefinitely. The rule is intentionally vague and NASCAR wields it like a sledgehammer to instantly put a stop to this type of bullshit. The NFL could easily institute a similar rule.

[Rob L]

It'll be tricky for sure, because if NFL owners mandate certain behavior during the National Anthem it'll be seen as stifling the player's rights to free speech. This whole thing could seriously blow up in their face.

(my bold above)

Freedom of speech is one thing; what about freedom of expression? Is that banned in the US?

[rockgremlin]

(my bold above)

Freedom of speech is one thing; what about freedom of expression? Is that banned in the US?

Freedom of Speech/Expression -- it all pretty much falls under the same umbrella.

And sure...the NFL may be a private entity and therefore mandate whatever they want, but if they dictate how players MUST behave during the National Anthem, it will be perceived as a stifling of the player's right to free expression. Regardless of what may be objectively right or wrong, or what the NFL thinks, or what Trump thinks, the second the NFL comes out and publicly says "Thou shalt not kneel..." there will be backlash. But at the same time, the longer it goes without being addressed, the more out of control the situation gets. The NFL at this point can't just sit on their hands and hope it will resolve itself.

[Iceaxe]

The NFL f**k up when they didn't immediately get out in front of this and put a stop to it when it was just one guy.

Now the NFL will be forced to eat a turd sandwich, the big question is can they get others to help take a bite.

And I don't see much of a backlash coming from the actual NFL fans. Three teams have already prohibited kneeling and you haven't heard a peep. The extreme left will try and make a big deal out of it, but that's not football's fan base. Football is middle America.

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[Sombeech]

Again and again I see stupid social media posts about how our rights are eroding because they get criticized for kneeling. If I'm ever stupid enough to argue with stupid, I ask "Who went to jail?". Sometimes we need a wee bit reminder that hearing feedback about our stupid actions is not restricting any freedoms. Real government oppression looks like prison time and executions, and maybe some fines on the lite side of oppression, none of these have been mandated by our "oppressive fascist government".

And if the players are told to stand? They are paid to do things, they are employees of a private business. I receive money from my boss if I perform a task to his specifications. These rich little baby bitches that play a game for a living have reality blown so out of proportion they think that the country owes them more than millions of dollars to play a game and provide entertainment to us.

And strange enough, this is 1 category of millionaires that is exempt from the 1% stereotype for some reason. CEOs and rich white guys are stealing all of the money out there, but millionaire athletes are exempt from this mindset for some reason.

[Iceaxe]

Trump: 'About time' NFL demands players stand during anthem

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46122530&nid=140

[Sombeech]

That's oddhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171011/0e8c95e8f627181642c45659199dddc6.jpg

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[Scott P]

Trump: 'About time' NFL demands players stand during anthem

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46122530&nid=140

Good. It was certainly disrespectful.

Now get NASCAR to stop flying the Confederate Flag. That is also disrespectful.

[Iceaxe]

Good. It was certainly disrespectful.

Now get NASCAR to stop flying the Confederate Flag. That is also disrespectful.Ya got to keep up Scott.... NASCAR stopped supporting the Confederate flag years ago. In fact NASCAR will give anyone a free American flag in exchange for a Confederate flag. You will not find NASCAR supporting the Confederate Naval Jack in any manner, either official or unofficial.

[Scott P]

Ya got to keep up Scott.... NASCAR stopped supporting the Confederate flag years ago. In fact NASCAR will give anyone a free American flag in exchange for a Confederate flag. You will not find NASCAR supporting the Confederate Naval Jack in any manner, either official or unofficial.

OK, good.:2thumbs:

[accadacca]

NFL, NFLPA say there's been no change to anthem policy

———-


The NFL and NFLPA released a statement Wednesday about potential policy changes related to player participation during the national anthem.

Commissioner Roger Goodell stated in a letter Tuesday that he believes every player should stand for the anthem, but both governing bodies wrote Wednesday that no amendments are to be added to the league's policy during meetings next week.

Commissioner Roger Goodell reached out to NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith today and both he and player leadership will attend the League meetings next week. There has been no change in the current policy regarding the anthem. The agenda will be a continuation of how to make progress on the important social issues that players have vocalized. Everyone who is part of our NFL community has a tremendous respect for our country, our flag, our anthem and our military, and we are coming together to deal with these issues in a civil and constructive way.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Tuesday that owners would consider a rule change that would make standing during the national anthem mandatory.

In September, President Donald Trump suggested NFL owners should fire players who protested racial inequality and police brutality during the anthem at a rally in Alabama. He has since continued his offensive against the league, posting multiple rants directed at player protests.

On Sunday, Vice President Mike Pence abruptly left Sunday's game between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers, alarmed by numerous players kneeling during the anthem.

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1395935

[Iceaxe]

NFL, NFLPA say there's been no change to anthem policy

———-


The NFL and NFLPA released a statement Wednesday about potential policy changes related to player participation during the national anthem.

Commissioner Roger Goodell stated in a letter Tuesday that he believes every player should stand for the anthem, but both governing bodies wrote Wednesday that no amendments are to be added to the league's policy during meetings next week.

Commissioner Roger Goodell reached out to NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith today and both he and player leadership will attend the League meetings next week. There has been no change in the current policy regarding the anthem. The agenda will be a continuation of how to make progress on the important social issues that players have vocalized. Everyone who is part of our NFL community has a tremendous respect for our country, our flag, our anthem and our military, and we are coming together to deal with these issues in a civil and constructive way.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Tuesday that owners would consider a rule change that would make standing during the national anthem mandatory.

In September, President Donald Trump suggested NFL owners should fire players who protested racial inequality and police brutality during the anthem at a rally in Alabama. He has since continued his offensive against the league, posting multiple rants directed at player protests.

On Sunday, Vice President Mike Pence abruptly left Sunday's game between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers, alarmed by numerous players kneeling during the anthem.

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1395935
Hahaha.... so the NFL and NFLPA is trying to decide who has to eat the turd sandwich they made and how big of bite they each have to take.... got it.... thanks for the update...

[oldno7]

This Sunday will be interesting, maybe set the tone for the rest of the year.

I'm guessing that if there are any kneelers or similar, fans will start leaving, Pence set the stage.

[hank moon]

....

[oldno7]

That's a pretty low standard for the USA.

MATW ?

Almost as low as wanting to destroy the greatest Republic ever formed, with socialism.

[hank moon]

....

[jman]

,,,

That’s hilarious. I’ve been saying that meme since the beginning of time to my cowboy friends.

“Hey man, hows your 1-Star cowboys doing?” [emoji23][emoji23]




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[Scott P]

Almost as low as wanting to destroy the greatest Republic ever formed, with socialism.

All countries that are extreme left or right are horrible places to live.

[Iceaxe]

NFL Receives Terrible News From Fans As Anthem Protests REFUSE To Stop

It looks like the few weeks of NFL kneeling are taking a toll on ratings. In fact, the NFL ranked on the bottom of the totem poll last week—lower than all other major sports in the United States. This doesn’t bode well for the NFL in general as fans continue to be turned off by the way these players are kneeling for the National Anthem.

More here: https://conservativedailypost.com/nfl-receives-terrible-news-fans-anthem-protests-refuse-stop/

[Sombeech]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/354985-limbaugh-trumps-comments-on-nfl-starting-to-make-me-nervous


Limbaugh: Trump's comments on NFL 'starting to make me nervous'

... Trump should not have the power to dictate who can kneel during the anthem.

C'mon Rush, Trump isn't dictating them, he's practicing the same Freedom of Speech we're all using. If he were dictating, and somebody still knelt, there would be a consequence carried out by force, yes?

People are using their freedom of speech to say that the President cannot use his own freedom of speech.

The only ones that have the right to "dictate" the players, are the owners and coaches that are paying them to do a specific job. Trump is just echoing what the majority of the NFL fans are already saying, dictating has got nothing to do with it or we'd see some fines, arrests, or executions at this point. Criticism on social media is nowhere near governmental oppression, and if these privileged first world crybabies think it is, they could use a little education.

[oldno7]

C'mon Rush, Trump isn't dictating them, he's practicing the same Freedom of Speech we're all using. If he were dictating, and somebody still knelt, there would be a consequence carried out by force, yes?

People are using their freedom of speech to say that the President cannot use his own freedom of speech.

The only ones that have the right to "dictate" the players, are the owners and coaches that are paying them to do a specific job. Trump is just echoing what the majority of the NFL fans are already saying, dictating has got nothing to do with it or we'd see some fines, arrests, or executions at this point. Criticism on social media is nowhere near governmental oppression, and if these privileged first world crybabies think it is, they could use a little education.

Well stated:2thumbs:

[uintafly]

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nfl-tv-ratings-viewership-nbc-cbs-fox-espn-nfln-regular-season-playoffs/

Looks like some #'s up, some down. MNF, SNF and the Fox afternoon game (Dallas, GB) all up, while TNF and the morning games were down from last year.

All of the #'s still crushed last nights MLB game 5 that featured the Yankees. Even the lowest time slot is still significantly higher than the highest rated college football game of the year (OSU v. Oklahoma).
None of the decreases look any worse that weeks 1 and 2 before Trump. Ratings have trended a slight decrease last year as well. I think someone earlier hit the nail on the head. CTE will kill the game if it is to be killed. I love football, and used to look forward to coaching my sons but would never let them play now. Instead I coach baseball and they ski. If you never play or are around the game when you're young, you have to be much less likely to care when you are older.

Pence and Donald once again proved they are nothing more than carnival barkers with no real interest in running a country. Much easier to fight with ESPN and NFL players than to actually do anything productive for the country. To quote our illustrious Secretary of State, "Donald is a f%$#ing moron." But like Ice points out, at least he is distracting us from everything important.

[hank moon]

....

[Sombeech]

Republicans are — to borrow my friend Greg Lukianoff’s excellent phrase — “unlearning liberty.” For example, for many years conservatives focused on ways to protect free speech, an essential liberty under attack from intolerant campus leftists and a larger progressive establishment that labeled dissent as “phobic” or bigoted.

Yeah I keep hearing about this freedom of speech and how it's being attacked. People are telling NFL players to stop kneeling, and people are telling Trump to stop talking about it, so who's Freedom of Speech is more important?

Why do we think the mere criticism of somebody is the same as oppressing their freedom to make such stupid decisions?

When the prison sentences and government fines start, THAT is when any kind of oppression starts. Until then, it's only somebody else criticizing, with words.

It's like saying the NFL players have begun oppressing my right to stand for the anthem. We all know this isn't true, and these millionaire crybabies just need their binky so they'll shut up.

[Scott P]

When the prison sentences and government fines start, THAT is when any kind of oppression starts. Until then, it's only somebody else criticizing, with words.

I would have to agree with you on this 'Beech.

The solution is a lot simpler than people are making it out to be.

If you don't like the players kneeling, simply don't support them by watching them or going to the games. Express the opinion of why you are doing so. It's as simple as that. It's stupid that high ranking politicians (on either side) feel the need to get involved in something trivial as football games. There are a lot more important things that they should be doing.

Simply either support the players if you agree with them and don't support them, especially financially if you don't agree with them. It's as simple as that and that alone will work everything out.

[accadacca]

In related news...lots of secret twitter accounts this year. Lol

Roger Goodell's wife has been defending husband for years with secret Twitter account

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/roger-goodell-wife-jane-secret-twitter-defending-nfl-husband-account

[hank moon]

....

[oldno7]

Because shaun king is an expert on being black:roflol:

[oldno7]

All that nfl players need to do, at this point is practice one line----

would you like fries with your burger?...

[oldno7]

oooh--look, a native American on your side too.......

[oldno7]

another expert on being black

[accadacca]

Mathews said that if a new rule is put in place, he will quit playing professional football.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/af561c1d2c61aca94e66e3476ccacc92.png

http://www.wsmv.com/story/36583347/titans-wr-will-leave-football-if-nfl-makes-new-rule-on-anthem

[oldno7]

From Jim Brown



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/25/jim-brown-criticizes-kaepernick-style-protests-dont-desecrate-my-flag.html

[rockgremlin]

Mathews said that if a new rule is put in place, he will quit playing professional football.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/af561c1d2c61aca94e66e3476ccacc92.png

http://www.wsmv.com/story/36583347/titans-wr-will-leave-football-if-nfl-makes-new-rule-on-anthem

Cutting his nose off to spite his face.

[Iceaxe]

I love the way Trump holds up a shiny object (National Anthem) in one hand for the media to go nuts over, while getting some real work done with the other hand. Few realize Trump has already nominated numerous conservative judges to federal positions around the country. This alone will set this country on a strong conservative path for the next 50 years. These judges will be in power long after Trump is gone.

Trump inherited a whopping 108 court vacancies when he became president, that's double the number of vacancies Obama inherited when he took office. If Trump’s current judicial nominees are a preview of the kinds of judges he plans to nominate in the coming years, prepare for a significantly more socially conservative group of people shaping the nation’s laws.

And we can always hope that liberals are running out of aborted baby fetus blood that has been used to keep Ginsburg alive.

But the liberal media..... oh look... a squirrel.....

[accadacca]

Report: Kaepernick files grievance against NFL owners for collusion

——

Colin Kaepernick has filed a grievance under the collective bargaining agreement for collusion against NFL team owners, reports Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report.

Kaepernick has hired high-profile attorney Mark Geragos and is preparing to release a statement about his grievance soon, added Freeman.

The free-agent quarterback has remained unemployed since his release by the San Francisco 49ers in March and has garnered little interest from teams around the league.

This has caused some to suggest he's being blackballed for his national anthem protests during the 2016 season.

https://www.thescore.com/news/1398639

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/a7f3066575a3cb26776c847ee1dbb81d.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Donnie Baker is awesome.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIFZYcLi0j0

[accadacca]

Trump releases petition demanding players stand for anthem

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1402068

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171020/033f862aac0dee5e859e1c3b58e625da.jpg

[oldno7]

,,,,

[uintafly]

,,,,


You love that photo. But I can't figure out why a guy who made $45MM and has an estimated net worth of $20MM would work at McDonalds? Money he made by the way in one of the most competitive industries in the country. Personally I think retiring at 29 with an 8 figure net worth is a pretty good accomplishment. What were you doing at 29?

[oldno7]

You love that photo. But I can't figure out why a guy who made $45MM and has an estimated net worth of $20MM would work at McDonalds? Money he made by the way in one of the most competitive industries in the country. Personally I think retiring at 29 with an 8 figure net worth is a pretty good accomplishment. What were you doing at 29?

ummm- I don't know what you'll be doing when you hit 29 but I'm white so I didn't have that black privilege working for me when I was 29.

[Iceaxe]

Hey Roger Goodell, please explain this...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171027/2c07971eac9dd07364ff027999cdb399.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Now this is just totally messed up. J.J. Watt rules....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/0b0278561afcdd7d43a1efd467c778ef.jpg

[twotimer]

"Citizen of the Year", huh? OK...said by a bunch of dudes that take turns blowing each other and then get pissed that no one wants to watch.

I had a subscription to Rolling Stone until 2007, then I ditched it when I realized that Matt Taibbi was more miserable that the people he wrote about.

[Iceaxe]

The NFL's 2017 numbers are in and it's a dumpster fire. Down 10% for the year and down nearly 20% from the day kneeling for the National Anthem began.

So tell me again how protesting the National Anthem is a good thing?!?

http://bit.ly/2D3XlyF

[Brian in SLC]

The NFL's 2017 numbers are in and it's a dumpster fire. Down 10% for the year and down nearly 20% from the day kneeling for the National Anthem began.

So tell me again how protesting the National Anthem is a good thing?!?

http://bit.ly/2D3XlyF

Less people watching someone else recreate? I see that as a good thing...

Now...when's that national championship game? Anyone catch Oklahoma Georgia? What a barn burner...

[Iceaxe]

Anyone catch Oklahoma Georgia? What a barn burner...

I watched, I really wanted to see Oklahoma in the mythical national championship. I really like Baker Mayfield as he is the kind of leader I'd love to play for. You know the type... crass, wears his heart on his sleeve, can be a real ass, but always leads from the front and inspires those around him ;-)

[emoji41]

[Brian in SLC]

I watched, I really wanted to see Oklahoma in the mythical national championship. I really like Baker Mayfield as he is the kind of leader I'd love to play for. You know the type... crass, wears his heart on his sleeve, can be a real ass, but always leads from the front and inspires those around him ;-)

Me too. Heckuva story. I wonder what the details are for his leaving Texas Tech? His signing up for OK without telling anyone...wow.

What, he finished 4th, 3rd, then first for the Heisman three years in a row? Who else could they have given it too?

Coulda gone either way.

[DirkHammergate]

So tell me again how protesting the National Anthem is a good thing?!?

It's an inherent right. Just like it's a right for good "white folk" to march with tiki torches and chant "Jews will not replace us"

[Iceaxe]

It's an inherent right. Just like it's a right for good "white folk" to march with tiki torches and chant "Jews will not replace us"Actually that depends, it's a right to protest, but the NFL could have stopped it by saying "not on our time". They could have penalized players for kneeling during the National Anthem, same as they can penalize for excessive celebration or unsportsmanlike conduct.

The NFL made a huge mistake in not getting out in front of this the minute Trump was able to turn it into a matter of patriotism. The moment it became about patriotism and love of country the NFL and players had lost the battle.

[Brian in SLC]

Ohhh...Alabama...shankapotamus rex!

If they lose....holy goat, batman...

[Brian in SLC]

Revenge of the nerds!

[Brian in SLC]

Holeeeee f!

[Brian in SLC]

The Tide was not to be denied...wow...what a finish.

[Iceaxe]

The epic choke club gets a new member...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180109/cab13bad3954047edf5033ada000a328.jpg

[Iceaxe]

The destruction of a brand....

Kneeling during the National Anthem at NFL games will be studied in business schools for years to come as what not to do. The NFL ratings are a sinking ship. If players kneel during the Super Bowl the ratings will be the lowest in years.

/bookmarked

[rockgremlin]

The destruction of a brand....

Kneeling during the National Anthem at NFL games will be studied in business schools for years to come as what not to do. The NFL ratings are a sinking ship. If players kneel during the Super Bowl the ratings will be the lowest in years.

/bookmarked


Gonna have to go with something drastic to boost those ratings. Maybe Justin Timberlake can grope another prominent female singer onstage. Or perhaps trot out Miley Cyrus and have her french kiss Ariana Grande mid performance just like Madonna and Britney Spears did so many years ago.

[DirkHammergate]

The epic choke club gets a new member...

Steph Curry a choker? Weird

[Iceaxe]

Snicker-snickerhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180114/bc17caa0f14ed4007c9f6eeea083b08c.jpg

[rockgremlin]

Steph Curry a choker? Weird


Oh yeah. Go back and look at the the NBA finals between Cleveland and Golden State. Lebron was on fire and putting Curry to shame. And every time Curry tried to save face he choked. Lots of people blame his selfish, greedy play for throwing the series with the Cavs.

[accadacca]

Oh yeah. Go back and look at the the NBA finals between Cleveland and Golden State. Lebron was on fire and putting Curry to shame. And every time Curry tried to save face he choked. Lots of people blame his selfish, greedy play for throwing the series with the Cavs.

Golden State was up 3-1 and that’s the biggest part of the choke job.

[Iceaxe]

NFL considering major rule change regarding National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/report-nfl-considering-keeping-teams-locker-room-national-anthem-next-season/

[Scott P]

88696

[oldno7]

This isn't going to play out well for the felon league.

https://www.stripes.com/news/nfl-rejects-super-bowl-ad-from-veterans-group-that-asks-players-to-stand-during-anthem-1.507977

[Iceaxe]

Houston Texans refuse to sign any players who protested the National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/report-houston-texans-wont-sign-player-protested-national-anthem/

[uintafly]

Houston Texans refuse to sign any players who protested the National Anthem.

http://dailysnark.com/report-houston-texans-wont-sign-player-protested-national-anthem/

I am sure that will help them escape the cycle of perpetual mediocrity they have lived for the last decade.

[accadacca]

This will be interesting... :popcorn:

NFL adopts policy to fine teams if players and personnel don't stand for national anthem

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/05/23/nfl-adopts-policy-to-fine-club-if-players-and-personnel-dont-stand-for-national-anthem.html

[Iceaxe]

This will be interesting... :popcorn:

NFL adopts policy to fine teams if players and personnel don't stand for national anthem

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/05/23/nfl-adopts-policy-to-fine-club-if-players-and-personnel-dont-stand-for-national-anthem.html
Why would they do this? Just last year the NFL assured us that disrespecting the flag was not harming the sport.

The NFL somehow managed to screw the unscrewable pooch. Many of the fans they lost are not coming back. I've seen this many times in other sports.

Combined with the concussion problem and the fact many people will no longer allow their kids to participate in tackle football the sport will slowly die. You have witnessed the high water mark of football. It's all just a long downhill slide from here. Enjoy...

/Bookmarked

[uintafly]

Why would they do this? Just last year the NFL assured us that disrespecting the flag was not harming the sport.

The NFL somehow managed to screw the unscrewable pooch. Many of the fans they lost are not coming back. I've seen this many times in other sports.

Combined with the concussion problem and the fact many people will no longer allow their kids to participate in tackle football the sport will slowly die. You have witnessed the high water mark of football. It's all just a long downhill slide from here. Enjoy...

/Bookmarked

I agree with the high water mark comment, but I doubt it has anything to do with the protest. Also I am interested in the "I've seen this many times in other sports". Even sports like baseball and hockey that basically cancelled an entire season came back eventually.

Football, may never be quite as popular as it once was but it will be just fine for the next decade as more and more states start allowing legal betting. Gambling and fantasy football is really what skyrocketed the NFL over the past 15 years, and now that is about to expand all over the place (though never Utah).

[Iceaxe]

Football's decline will be slow and steady, but you have seen it reach it's zenith.

Baseball, basketball and hockey never did fully recover from their strikes. Baseball is a hollow shell of what it once was. It took nearly a century for it's fall from America's past time but it fell.

This also reminds me a lot of Indy Car racing. At one time Indy was the world's largest single day sporting event, but internal conflicts destroy the sport in only a couple of years.

All major sports are dying, there is just too much competition from fringe sports that can now be followed through the internet. The NFL has been immune to this decline but the National Anthem screw up was the straw that finally broke the camels back and started the downhill slide.

Which is why the NFL is now desperately trying to put the National Anthem genie back in the bottle.

YMMV

[accadacca]

I’m not convinced.

What will take over as the sports Goliath?

[Iceaxe]

I’m not convinced.

What will take over as the sports Goliath?

Football will still be the big dog for the next 30 or 40 years but the concussion syndrome is football's cancer and it will claim it's victim soon enough. It's already begun, registration for youth football is at historic lows, partcipation in high school football is slumping.

You don't have to believe it, just remember while rocking in your chair at the old folks home when football is the new baseball that I told you so.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-football-youth-decline-met-20170904-story.html

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2726124-report-shows-continuing-drop-in-high-school-football-players.amp.html

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/high-school/youth-football-participation-dropping-drastically.html

[oldno7]

I’m not convinced.

What will take over as the sports Goliath?


THUNDERDOME

[Iceaxe]

You can also add boxing to the list of once huge sports that have fallen from grace. Boxing suffered the same fate as the Indy 500.

And why do we need a goliath sport?

[uintafly]

Remind me again why they were kneeling? How often does this happen and get swept under the rug, when the guy isn't famous?

https://deadspin.com/milwaukee-police-release-video-of-bucks-sterling-brown-1826275081

[accadacca]

Not saying we need a Goliath sport, just that the NFL holds that title until another takes it from them.

[accadacca]

According to @SethWickersham there was no official vote on the national anthem policy at the NFL spring meetings.

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180528/21354ca12b1efbdd703b0fdbfbcb6437.jpg

[Iceaxe]

A soldier who never knew and never will know me died for me so I can be free. The least I can do is stand for the National Anthem.

[uintafly]

A soldier who never knew and never will know me died for me so I can be free. The least I can do is stand for the National Anthem.

And when African Americans are as free as you and me, they will probably all stand as well. I'm guessing a good # of soldiers have served over the years to help defend our right to protest and dissent.

[twotimer]

And when African Americans are as free as you and me, they will probably all stand as well.What the heck are you talking about? Please explain how blacks aren't as free as anyone else in our country.

[Iceaxe]

Pesky 13th Amendment

[emoji631]

[oldno7]

..,

[uintafly]

89666

[uintafly]

What the heck are you talking about? Please explain how blacks aren't as free as anyone else in our country.

Come on man, you're a smart guy. You can't believe that African Americans have the same American experience as white Americans. When was the last time anyone on this board was tasered for parking in a handicap spot at 2:00 AM while you ran into Walgreens? Or had the cops called on you for sitting in Starbucks, or for having a BBQ, or for sleeping in a dorm? What about being shot by a cop while being unarmed?

https://www.theroot.com/an-incomplete-list-of-things-black-people-should-avoid-1824032408

[twotimer]

Come on man, you're a smart guy. You can't believe that African Americans have the same American experience as white Americans. When was the last time anyone on this board was tasered for parking in a handicap spot at 2:00 AM while you ran into Walgreens? Or had the cops called on you for sitting in Starbucks, or for having a BBQ, or for sleeping in a dorm? What about being shot by a cop while being unarmed?

https://www.theroot.com/an-incomplete-list-of-things-black-people-should-avoid-1824032408I would say that everyone in this country has the same rights as anyone else. If the cops are nervous about approaching black folks, I personally wouldn't blame them...I'd be nervous, too. Especially since the cops chances of getting killed go up 100% when they respond to a call. I wouldn't take that job if it paid 500K a year.

I wonder how many other people, who aren't black, get their heads busted by some jacked up cop who should never have been hired. You know as well as I that we don't live in a perfect world.

I come from a dirt poor family. My highest education was the 8th grade. I was homeless or tossed around from the age of 15-19. I slept in abandoned houses, shoplifted food. I never held more than 2 grand in my hand until the age of 28.

I learned how to paint houses and made a career out of it. Now at 55 I'm a millionaire. Retirement is assured by my purchase of rental properties. I paid my dues, saved my money and worked my ass off for 25 years. Stayed out of trouble.

If I can do it, anyone can. Don't give me this BS about me having a leg up because of my skin color, either. My clients hire me and refer me because I've proven trustworthiness, show up on time and kick ass. That's all ya gotta do.

In my opinion, these people should be protesting the stupid aspects of the "black culture" and rejecting all the negative, sad sack liberals that keep pushing them to remain pissed off when they look in the mirror.

[Iceaxe]

Come on man, you're a smart guy. You can't believe that African Americans have the same American experience as white Americans. When was the last time anyone on this board was tasered for parking in a handicap spot at 2:00 AM while you ran into Walgreens? Or had the cops called on you for sitting in Starbucks, or for having a BBQ, or for sleeping in a dorm? What about being shot by a cop while being unarmed?

https://www.theroot.com/an-incomplete-list-of-things-black-people-should-avoid-1824032408We reap what we sow.

My big question has always been why have blacks not assimilated into society as other cultures have. Hispanic and Asian don't have these same problems on nearly the scale as African Americans.

[emoji631]

[devo_stevo]

I would say that everyone in this country has the same rights as anyone else. If the cops are nervous about approaching black folks, I personally wouldn't blame them...I'd be nervous, too. Especially since the cops chances of getting killed go up 100% when they respond to a call. I wouldn't take that job if it paid 500K a year.

I wonder how many other people, who aren't black, get their heads busted by some jacked up cop who should never have been hired. You know as well as I that we don't live in a perfect world.

I come from a dirt poor family. My highest education was the 8th grade. I was homeless or tossed around from the age of 15-19. I slept in abandoned houses, shoplifted food. I never held more than 2 grand in my hand until the age of 28.

I learned how to paint houses and made a career out of it. Now at 55 I'm a millionaire. Retirement is assured by my purchase of rental properties. I paid my dues, saved my money and worked my ass off for 25 years. Stayed out of trouble.

If I can do it, anyone can. Don't give me this BS about me having a leg up because of my skin color, either. My clients hire me and refer me because I've proven trustworthiness, show up on time and kick ass. That's all ya gotta do.

In my opinion, these people should be protesting the stupid aspects of the "black culture" and rejecting all the negative, sad sack liberals that keep pushing them to remain pissed off when they look in the mirror.
Great post. Pretty much nails how I feel about it.

I realize that there are people and organizations that make it difficult to get ahead simply because of the color of your skin. That's wrong and it should not happen, but it does. It's one of the things that makes the human race...human. Not defending it, just saying it's true.

Here's the thing though. The United States of America (in it's current form) provides equal rights and protections for all people regardless of skin color. If a black man, born into poverty, raised primarily by a single mother, can get into ivy league schools, get a law degree, become a respected lawyer, then a senator, then president of the United States, I'd say we live in a country where you can succeed regardless of pretty much anything.

The job of the government is not to lift anyone up, but to remove obstacles so that you can lift yourself. At least that's my view of things.

[uintafly]

We reap what we sow.

My big question has always been why have blacks not assimilated into society as other cultures have. Hispanic and Asian don't have these same problems on nearly the scale as African Americans.

[emoji631]

On the grand scale I am far far from a sjw, but the "we reap what we sow" comment is the height of "white privilege". No one on this board is ever prejudged based on bad shit that other white folk have done. But blacks get that every day, no need to trot out the mountains of studies that prove it. So we live in a society where Tamir Rice is shot and killed because other black people did bad things, and then we are shocked and outraged that they kneel during the anthem?

Devo is right that the US is supposed to provide equal rights for us all, but the players are kneeling because that isn't actually happening. The criminal justice system is the perfect example. Whites and blacks both do illegal drugs at the same level, but blacks are many more times likely to be locked up for it.

[2065toyota]

89671
Come on man, you're a smart guy. You can't believe that African Americans have the same American experience as white Americans. When was the last time anyone on this board was tasered for parking in a handicap spot at 2:00 AM while you ran into Walgreens? Or had the cops called on you for sitting in Starbucks, or for having a BBQ, or for sleeping in a dorm? What about being shot by a cop while being unarmed?

https://www.theroot.com/an-incomplete-list-of-things-black-people-should-avoid-1824032408

[Iceaxe]

89671Hahaha... I said basically the same thing an got accused of 'white privilege'.

[emoji631]

[uintafly]

Hahaha... I said basically the same thing an got accused of 'white privilege'.

[emoji631]

That's because though it makes for a nice meme, it's a dumb argument. The idea that minor infractions can be met with brutality and death isn't the way it should be. And for the most part it isn't the way it is for whites. Haven't even mentioned all of the driving while black incidents.

Remember this one? http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

[Sombeech]

No one on this board is ever prejudged based on bad shit that other white folk have done.

You mean, like being called racist? Noooooo, I've NEVER been called a racist, just for being whi-WAIT YES I HAVE

[uintafly]

You mean, like being called racist? Noooooo, I've NEVER been called a racist, just for being whi-WAIT YES I HAVE

Poor guy. That must have been so difficult. It's just the same as not being able to get a job or an apartment, or getting pulled over all of the time for no reason.

[rockgremlin]

We reap what we sow.

My big question has always been why have blacks not assimilated into society as other cultures have. Hispanic and Asian don't have these same problems on nearly the scale as African Americans.

[emoji631]

Exactly.

Why don't the Japanese have some major chip on their shoulder against the U.S. for dropping atomic bombs on them and firebombing Tokyo during the end of WW2? We blatantly killed hundreds of thousands of their civilians during that war. Additionally, we arrested any Japanese citizen who may have been residing in the US during that time, and placed them in concentration camps - one right here in Utah (Topaz).

Yet they don't seem to hold a grudge about any of that.

[Sombeech]

Poor guy. That must have been so difficult. It's just the same as not being able to get a job or an apartment, or getting pulled over all of the time for no reason.Who are you hanging out with? Because my black friends and family members do not have this problem.

[rockgremlin]

Devo is right that the US is supposed to provide equal rights for us all, but the players are kneeling because that isn't actually happening. The criminal justice system is the perfect example. Whites and blacks both do illegal drugs at the same level, but blacks are many more times likely to be locked up for it.

This is the crux of the argument.

It's easy to say that we're all equal in this country, with equal rights and opportunities, but the fact of the matter is that blacks do get treated differently just because they're black.

What is supposed to happen in this country and what actually happens are two different things.

[twotimer]

Exactly.

Why don't the Japanese have some major chip on their shoulder against the U.S. for dropping atomic bombs on them and firebombing Tokyo during the end of WW2? We blatantly killed hundreds of thousands of their civilians during that war. Additionally, we arrested any Japanese citizen who may have been residing in the US during that time, and placed them in concentration camps - one right here in Utah (Topaz).

Yet they don't seem to hold a grudge about any of that.Dwelling in misery sucks.

[rockgremlin]

twotimer

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46331582&nid=148&title=homeless-teen-graduates-top-of-his-class-at-murray-high-school

[oldno7]

ambition will get any person, of any race, either sex,and lgqtmrvsu society--a good career and advancement at any rate one chooses.

[oldno7]

White privilege is an excuse used by those too lazy to get up in the morning and put in a hard days work.

[Iceaxe]

What is supposed to happen in this country and what actually happens are two different things.

Why is there no outrage from the left over the preferential treatment the elite ruling class receives? If anyone else did what Hillary did with classified email they would be in prison.

Unfortunately there are always two sets of rules. One of the first things my parents taught me is life isn't fair, get over it, put on your big boy pants and get to work.

[twotimer]

@twotimer (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=28123)

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46331582&nid=148&title=homeless-teen-graduates-top-of-his-class-at-murray-high-schoolThis kid is certainly a savant. Good for him, he's too smart to flop around or crash and burn.

Smart to join the Navy, too. He doesn't have to worry about sleeping and eating anymore. Plus the Navy will grow him up real quick. I joined at 19.

For other young ones that are living in dysfunction, I would recommend learning a trade. Especially in home maintenance and remodeling. Anybody with a brain can become an expert within 5 years...then go out on your own. There's plenty of work.

Unfortunately, there are those that will never make more than 12 bucks an hour their entire lives. That's just the way they roll...lacking drive, ambition, work ethic mixed with pride. I think some want to pin the tail on something/someone if things aren't laid at their feet. Kinda sums up the race/lack of education excuse that's thrown up.

Oh well...I certainly expect people to be throwing their fists into the air for one reason or another for the rest of my lifetime. I just wish everyone luck and try to avoid those that are crashing into shit.

[uintafly]

Why is there no outrage from the left over the preferential treatment the elite ruling class receives? If anyone else did what Hillary did with classified email they would be in prison.

Unfortunately there are always two sets of rules. One of the first things my parents taught me is life isn't fair, get over it, put on your big boy pants and get to work.

Did you miss the 2016 election? All of the Bernie Bros who refused to jump on the Hillary bandwagon probably swung the election. Lots of people on the left would love for the Clinton clan to just stfu and leave.

I'll just say one more thing about the players protest before I chalk this thread up to one more debate won by me. I'm undefeated! Never Lost!

All of you guys saying that anyone can succeed if they work hard enough. Umm, no shit, most of those players are proof positive of that. Life is certainly harder in this country for minorities, poor people, etc. but it can all be overcome with hard work and the ability to keep fighting. But that's not what they are protesting. They are protesting police brutality and a screwed up criminal justice system that blatantly targets their community. Good for them for standing up and fighting back. It's the American way after all.

[Iceaxe]

I'll just say one more thing about the players protest before I chalk this thread up to one more debate won by me. I'm undefeated! Never Lost!

Actually Trump won this one the moment he turned kneeling for the National Anthem into a debate on patriotism.

[emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

White privilege is an excuse used by those too lazy to get up in the morning and put in a hard days work.


^^^THIS^^^

[accadacca]

Donald Trump calls off Eagles' White House visit over national anthem dispute

“The Philadelphia Eagles are unable to come to the White House with their full team to be celebrated tomorrow. They disagree with their President because he insists that they proudly stand for the National Anthem, hand on heart, in honor of the great men and women of our military and the people of our country. The Eagles wanted to send a smaller delegation, but the 1,000 fans planning to attend the event deserve better. These fans are still invited to the White House to be part of a different type of ceremony — one that will honor our great country, pay tribute to the heroes who fight to protect it, and loudly and proudly play the National Anthem. I will be there at 3:00 p.m. with the United States Marine Band and the United States Army Chorus to celebrate America.”

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[twotimer]

Donald Trump calls off Eagles' White House visit over national anthem dispute

“The Philadelphia Eagles are unable to come to the White House with their full team to be celebrated tomorrow. They disagree with their President because he insists that they proudly stand for the National Anthem, hand on heart, in honor of the great men and women of our military and the people of our country. The Eagles wanted to send a smaller delegation, but the 1,000 fans planning to attend the event deserve better. These fans are still invited to the White House to be part of a different type of ceremony — one that will honor our great country, pay tribute to the heroes who fight to protect it, and loudly and proudly play the National Anthem. I will be there at 3:00 p.m. with the United States Marine Band and the United States Army Chorus to celebrate America.”

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180605/6760fd8ee44c4d551d9990d53c0b1b69.jpgRight on! This is why I like the guy. Smack those assholes right in the mouth.

The only ugly bit of this is that those players that would like to be honored at the White House have it ruined by the stupid sissies on their team.

[Iceaxe]

Boom!

Trump fires back over nixed Eagles visit: ‘No escaping to Locker Rooms!’

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/05/trump-fires-back-over-nixed-eagles-visit-no-escaping-to-locker-rooms.html

[twotimer]

Perhaps the ones that are "protesting" can go hang out with Obama and have a "let's piss off more black folks" party. Nice job, boys...keep up the anger.

[uintafly]

lol, I saw that this morning and figured it would make your guys panties moist.

The irony of course is that not one player on the Eagles took a knee even once last year, and less than 10 players even planned on going to the white house. But facts never get in the way of good propaganda with this regime. Gotta hand it to him though, he has done a great job of equating any dissent for the government as unpatriotic and an assault on the military. Pretty good maneuver for a draft dodger and a nice distraction from the current state of the white house.

[Iceaxe]

The irony of course is that not one player on the Eagles took a knee even once last year, and less than 10 players even planned on going to the white house.

Don't tell me you're really buying that number 10 are you.... ROFLMAO

FWIW that's a #FakeNews number. File that number right under the Melania hasn't been seen in public because Trump beats her story.

But the number is really not important. What you should notice is Trump just won another battle in the NFL kneeling controversy. And yes his supporters love it....

[Iceaxe]

One of the first lessons my pappy taught me in life was "When you find yourself in a hole stop digging and put down the shovel". The NFL and its players have yet to learn this lesson.

[twotimer]

lol, I saw that this morning and figured it would make your guys panties moist.
Ah, yes...moist indeed. Dripping wet, actually!

[DirkHammergate]

Perhaps the ones that are "protesting" can go hang out with Obama and have a "let's piss off more black folks" party. Nice job, boys...keep up the anger.

I liked what the Warriors did, they went to a DC Boys and Girl club and a rec center. They didn't make a big deal about it either.

[DirkHammergate]

Perhaps the ones that are "protesting" can go hang out with Obama and have a "let's piss off more black folks" party. Nice job, boys...keep up the anger.

I liked what the Warriors did, they went to a DC Boys and Girl club and a rec center. They didn't make a big deal about it either.

[twotimer]

Heard ya the first time...and you're right (not trying to put words in your mouth) but these guys should channel their celebrity, money and influence towards positive changes. Throwing up a middle finger at all of America isn't going to work and encourages more and more to turn their backs away from them.

You want to make allies, not enemies.

[uintafly]

Heard ya the first time...and you're right (not trying to put words in your mouth) but these guys should channel their celebrity, money and influence towards positive changes. Throwing up a middle finger at all of America isn't going to work and encourages more and more to turn their backs away from them.

You want to make allies, not enemies.

Yeah, if only athletes would donate time and money for causes they believe in. Or what it they used their celebrity and platforms to stand up against what they see as injustice. :facepalm1:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2018/02/01/colin-kaepernick-not-stopping-donations-roll-past-1-million/#4b6f672c1668

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/10/18/eagles-defensive-end-chris-long-is-donating-his-salary/106760240/

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/16375378/nfl-players-charity-donations-jj-watt-hurricane-harvey-patrick-peterson-foundation

[2065toyota]

89725

[twotimer]

Yeah, if only athletes would donate time and money for causes they believe in. Or what it they used their celebrity and platforms to stand up against what they see as injustice. :facepalm1:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2018/02/01/colin-kaepernick-not-stopping-donations-roll-past-1-million/#4b6f672c1668

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/10/18/eagles-defensive-end-chris-long-is-donating-his-salary/106760240/

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/16375378/nfl-players-charity-donations-jj-watt-hurricane-harvey-patrick-peterson-foundationOK...FRIGGIN' BINGO! What's with the facepalm, dude? That's exactly what I'm talking about. Right on for those dudes!

Why don't these athletes grab the headlines instead of the fist pumpers? About the only explanation I could muster is that the middle finger in your face kinda grabs attention. Red meat for the Foxtards, eh? Well, withdraw the bird and you 'aint go no more red meat. Simple.

[oldno7]

lol, I saw that this morning and figured it would make your guys panties moist.

The irony of course is that not one player on the Eagles took a knee even once last year, and less than 10 players even planned on going to the white house. But facts never get in the way of good propaganda with this regime. Gotta hand it to him though, he has done a great job of equating any dissent for the government as unpatriotic and an assault on the military. Pretty good maneuver for a draft dodger and a nice distraction from the current state of the white house.

No knee takers in the black panther club.

Great respect for our country and flag---not!

[uintafly]

Dude, the first guy I linked gave $1million to charity after the NFL colluded to keep him without a job, because Trump did such a good job labelling him as unpatriotic.

Raise your hand if you are surprised Corporal Bone Spur doesn't even know the words to God Bless America. What are the odds he could recite the first verse of the anthem, let alone the whole song.

https://www.spin.com/2018/06/trump-god-bless-america-eagles/

[twotimer]

Dude, the first guy I linked gave $1million to charity after the NFL colluded to keep him without a job, because Trump did such a good job labelling him as unpatriotic.

Raise your hand if you are surprised Corporal Bone Spur doesn't even know the words to God Bless America. What are the odds he could recite the first verse of the anthem, let alone the whole song.

https://www.spin.com/2018/06/trump-god-bless-america-eagles/This is why people (such as you and I) never come to terms with so many things...In my world, I'm certainly glad Mr. Kap is throwing down cash for charity, but on the other hand I think he should apologize for disrespecting the nation. I would bet the money would come rolling in if he did that.

But then again, what do I know? Good luck to all the black folks, I guess...

[Iceaxe]

Dude, the first guy I linked gave $1million to charity after the NFL colluded to keep him without a job, because Trump did such a good job labelling him as unpatriotic.

If Kapernick was actually a first rate NFL QB capable of leading a team to a Superbowl win he would be starting somewhere. Plenty of felan's, wife beaters and all around assholes playing in the NFL.

Kapernick was overrated from his first start. He rode Alex Smith's coattails into the playoffs his first year and had a talent that took NFL teams a couple games to adjust to. The opposing teams adjusted and exposed Kapernick's many weaknesses, which is why he no longer has a job.

Now Kapernick might be a serviceable second string QB, but those are a dime a dozen. Why hire Kapernick as a QB2, with all his baggage, and the high probability he will destroy your team chemistry when you can hire a solid QB2 for the same cost. Why hire Kapernick as your QB2 when you can get the very professional and equally as talented Ryan Fitzpatrick for the same money?

YMMV

[Iceaxe]

I don't care who you are... this is still funny...
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[Iceaxe]

One other item about Kapernick, his wearing the"Pig Socks" is actually a bigger problem among some NFL owners then the kneeling. Lots of players kneeling these days, the owners are dealing with that, but only one asshat was wearing pig socks.

[DirkHammergate]

If Kapernick was actually a first rate NFL QB capable of leading a team to a Superbowl win he would be starting somewhere. Plenty of felan's, wife beaters and all around assholes playing in the NFL.

Kapernick was overrated from his first start. He rode Alex Smith's coattails into the playoffs his first year and had a talent that took NFL teams a couple games to adjust to. The opposing teams adjusted and exposed Kapernick's many weaknesses, which is why he no longer has a job.

Now Kapernick might be a serviceable second string QB, but those are a dime a dozen. Why hire Kapernick as a QB2, with all his baggage, and the high probability he will destroy your team chemistry when you can hire a solid QB2 for the same cost. Why hire Kapernick as your QB2 when you can get the very professional and equally as talented Ryan Fitzpatrick for the same money?

YMMV

I'm a 9er fan so I feel like I understand as well as anyone. There were always rumors he didn't actually want to play and to me, he visibly lost his fire or competitive edge. He also openly say he didn't want to be a back up. We literally stole Jimmy G away from the Patriots cause Tom Brady is a meglomaniac. As Trump would say "Bad deal..."

I side with the "if he was talented enough he'd have a job" and site that we have a budding all pro linebacker that beat the crap out of his girlfriend, who suddenly forgot what happened before the courts could get at Rueben Foster. Boy that kid sure can tackle.

As for disrespect, I'm going to say in America we have rights to do what we want to do. I'd personally not take a knee but won't infringe on someone's right to do so. I don't even think it's disrespectful if that person can give a valid reason why. Same thing with Abortion, I won't infringe on that persons right to choose but if I knocked up a woman I personally would be opposed to the idea of aborting the baby. I believe its wrong to terminate a healthy pregnancy if I was responsible for it but wouldn't attempt to dictate what others may do in that situation.

[DirkHammergate]

I've received the Bill Clinton meme like a dozen times this morning. I think Monica is quiet pretty now. I'd hit it.

[Iceaxe]

I've received the Bill Clinton meme like a dozen times this morning. I think Monica is quiet pretty now. I'd hit it.

I don't think people really ever cared that Clinton was banging an intern, I think they were a lot more upset that he was banging the fat homely intern.

....and yes I agree, Monica is much better looking now then back in the day.

[Iceaxe]

:-)
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[twotimer]

So Trump says to these guys that are kneeling, "Send me some pardon referrals."

I think that's pretty damn clever.

[Sombeech]

So Trump says to these guys that are kneeling, "Send me some pardon referrals."

I think that's pretty damn clever.

Trump knows how to play people. Genius

[Iceaxe]

So Trump says to these guys that are kneeling, "Send me some pardon referrals."

I think that's pretty damn clever.
The problem with the left is they think Trump is stupid, when in reality the guy is brilliant. So long as people keep underestimating his intelligence they will continue to lose.

[oldno7]

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