Global Warming? I don't know what to believe.

[rockgremlin]

Ok, now I have no clue what to believe...

Asteroid that killed the dinosaurs caused massive global warming

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2170015-asteroid-that-killed-the-dinosaurs-caused-massive-global-warming/

And this...

World Temperature Rise Nears Danger Level

With world temperature rise already 1°C above pre-industrial levels, new research shows that there is only a 0.5°C safety margin left in the system before the most vulnerable groups of people suffer severely.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/world-temperature-rise-nears-danger-level/

So? Even if true, the global climate has surpassed our puny ability to make any drastic changes. We cannot stop nor change it.

Time to stop bitching about it and adapt. Or die. No other choice.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[accadacca]

Real or fake?

The Arctic 103 years ago compared to today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181019/75c31bfe45718b3ebf938436821a7e04.jpg

[rockgremlin]

Source?

There's a decent chance that it's legit.

[accadacca]

Facebook... lol

[twotimer]

The location in Queens where Amazon is going to build it's newest giant complex is rather interesting...I reckon they're going to build some kind of watertight wall around it? Otherwise it doesn't seen they're worried much about sea level rise.

[Iceaxe]

The location in Queens where Amazon is going to build it's newest giant complex is rather interesting...I reckon they're going to build some kind of watertight wall around it? Otherwise it doesn't seen they're worried much about sea level rise.

How dare you bring actual science and combine it with commonsense in this discussion.

Climb-Utah.com

[uintafly]

Real or fake?

The Arctic 103 years ago compared to today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181019/75c31bfe45718b3ebf938436821a7e04.jpg


Truth

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/21/arctics-strongest-sea-ice-breaks-up-for-first-time-on-record

While conservation is well and good, there is no way to conserve our way out of this. In my opinion nuclear is our best chance to leave an inhabitable planet to our great grand-kids. A really good doc on the subject is "Pandora's Box", it used to be on Netflix, not sure if it still is though.

[rockgremlin]

^^^I agree with you Uintah, although most folks are terrified of nuclear.

One of the best things to happen to coal in recent years is the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan. Ever since that occurred the Japanese have been investing heavily in coal, and rumors were going around that they were looking into actually building additional coal fired power plants. In the current climate that is huge news considering coal is on the ropes, and countries are shuttering coal plants all over the world in favor of renewable.

Clean coal is not a myth! I have seen it!! (name the movie line :haha:)

[twotimer]

Check out the book "Normal Accidents"...may make you think a bit before endorsing nuke plants all over the place.

EDIT...check out how well France did.

[Iceaxe]

OOPS....

Error in major climate study revealed – warming NOT higher than expected

https://www.foxnews.com/science/error-in-major-climate-study-revealed-warming-not-higher-than-expected

[twotimer]

Whenever I think of global warming, I think of this picture. That friggin' thing is virtually right there. Blazin' away.

91095

[Iceaxe]

In my opinion nuclear is our best chance to leave an inhabitable planet to our great grand-kids.


Current estimate is it will take $200 billion to clean up the Japanese nuclear plant melt down.

It has already created 100,000 tons of highly radioactive material and it produces more radioactive material daily.

For reference the Apollo program cost $25 billion, which would be $138 billion in today's dollars. Let that sink in for a minute. The Japanese nuclear melt down will cost 1.5 times what Apollo cost, it will take at least 100 years to clean up, which really means contain the damage. In the mean time thousands of tons of nuclear waste are being produced daily that is currently stored in large containers with no method of disposal.

Now please tell me again how nuclear energy is the answer?



Climb-Utah.com

[rockgremlin]

Whatever happened to the Yucca Mountain waste storage plan? Seemed pretty bulletproof to me -- really the only problem is transportation of waste to the site.

I have a little insider information about Yucca Mtn that I gleaned from a professor while I was in college. He seemed pretty sold on the idea, and was insistent that it was being torpedoed by overzealous and irrational environmentalists.

[Iceaxe]

I'm about as far as you can get from a crazy environmentalist, but I'm not a fan of nuclear power until you find a way to dispose of the waste. And stashing it somewhere for others to deal with in 500 years is not an acceptable solution to me.

[rockgremlin]

Yucca Mountain is about as safe as you could make it. It's tectonically idle -- ie no faults, and well outside of the radius of earthquake activity. It doesn't intercept any aquifers, etc etc.

My professor was called on as one of the witnesses to testify as to the geological capabilities of Yucca Mountain. He claimed that tectonically it could reasonably be assumed stable for the next 100,000+ years. The environmentalists were adamant that the site could not be considered safe unless you could slide that number to well beyond 1,000,000 years.

[Iceaxe]

Yucca Mountain is about as safe as you could make it.

I've heard little ducks fart underwater before.... they said the same thing about Three Mile Island and Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plants.

Here is a a pretty good video 60 minutes did on Fukushima Daiichi. It's worth 15 minutes of your life to watch.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-reporting-from-fukushima/

And let's not even talk about Chernobyl, but everyone knew the Soviet's cut corners... but it still became a world problem.

Until you can dispose of the waste safely I'm against it, and burying it in the desert isn't disposing of it safely in my book. Who knows what will happen with the dump site in 500 or 1000 years. The Salton Sea was a huge desert until one day about 100 years ago the Colorado River decided to change course by a couple hundred miles. Even Lake Bonneville was fairly recent (10,000 years) in geologic time.

YMMV

[twotimer]

The French are getting ready to stash a bunch of it deep underground. They're not going to seal it up, though...French law mandates that they have access to it. They think scientist many years from now may have use for it.

Doesn't Godzilla and Rodan eat that stuff?

[BasinCruiser]

Paris is in an uproar due to the policies Macron has initiated to curb climate change. Here is a lovely vid from BO supporting Macron that has aged real well.


https://www.facebook.com/133635867204812/posts/365995290635534/

[Iceaxe]

One thing I'll say about Obama... he had an uncanny ability to alway pick a losing horse to bet on.

:roflol:

[Sombeech]

10 year challengehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190118/8cdb9b5572672253bb780ceec95a4828.jpg

[oldno7]

At least 1,500 private jets are expected to descend on Davos and nearby airports in Switzerland this week as the international financial and political elite gathers (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/20/davos-men-gather-under-a-cloud-as-globalism-in-worldwide-retreat/) to talk about global climate challenges.

[oldno7]

^^^^^^^ This smacks of the exact same hypocrisy of----Walls don't work, unless they are around my house.

[oldno7]

surely at least half of these jets will be run off solar or wind----right?

[uintafly]

At least 1,500 private jets are expected to descend on Davos and nearby airports in Switzerland this week as the international financial and political elite gathers (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/20/davos-men-gather-under-a-cloud-as-globalism-in-worldwide-retreat/) to talk about global climate challenges.



Wait, I thought this was some type of world economic forum?

Oh, and I decided to check to see if Al Gore actually said that. He sorta did: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/

The problem with people like Al Gore is they take the most extreme case scenarios and present them as the most likely case scenarios. Then science deniers take these types of statements as some kind of proof that climate change is a giant hoax.

[BasinCruiser]

If you have questions about anything, you can’t go wrong with going to the self-annointed most knowledgeable being in the universe:AOC. She knows when the earth will die due to global warming.

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https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-like-knows-when-climate-change-will-kill-us-all/

[oldno7]

Oh, and I decided to check to see if Al Gore actually said that. He sorta did: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/



You do realize that snopes has been deemed fake news:lol8:

[oldno7]

Wait, I thought this was some type of world economic forum?

.

You shouldn't do that:

Among the list of topics to be covered this week is the WEF’s Global Risk Report for 2019 which reveals environmental crises, such as failures to tackle climate change, “are among the likeliest and highest-impact risk that the world faces over the next decade.”

[oldno7]

Heres snopes getting 25,000 to change their mind by a large corporation, just one of hundreds of claims.

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

[uintafly]

You shouldn't do that:

Among the list of topics to be covered this week is the WEF’s Global Risk Report for 2019 which reveals environmental crises, such as failures to tackle climate change, “are among the likeliest and highest-impact risk that the world faces over the next decade.”

So a world economic forum that they will happen to discuss the effects of climate change on the global economy, among a shit load of other topics? Meh, I don't really see the hypocrisy here.

[oldno7]

So a world economic forum that they will happen to discuss the effects of climate change on the global economy, among a shit load of other topics? Meh, I don't really see the hypocrisy here.

And I would be shocked if you did.......

[twotimer]

Some used to stand around with a sign that said "The end is nigh". Mostly they were ignored and considered sad or pathetic. Now every time a big storm hits, some are insisting that it's Mother Nature striking back and we need to buy their products and ideology. Some are hooking up with that shit, some aren't.

There's absolutely no doubt humans are having a dramatic effect on the planet. We've been tearing it up real good for the last 300 years, especially. How will they control the population? Migration, Immigration, preserving resources? Slowing down all the concrete and asphalt? Moving billions who have little money into high tech "clean" machines? Good friggin' luck...

Maybe time will iron these things out all by themselves. The world 100 years from now may be a whole lot better overall than now...despite all those that say it's inevitable to go down the shitter.

The Global Warming Panic Carnival Barkers are just like that. Standing there in the village holding up that sign.

[rockgremlin]

I recently read about some pretty amazing technology coming down the pipe that will equal the death of fossil fuels forever. Unlimited clean energy. It's right around the corner. Things will look drastically improved in the future. I honestly believe that.

Overpopulation? I dunno, the birth rate in the U.S. and Europe is lower than the population recharge rate. That means slow to static growth...think of the economy under Obama...that's how fast the population is growing in the industrialized nations right now.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46465386/us-fertility-rate-is-below-level-needed-to-replace-population-study-says

3rd World populations are a totally different story...

[twotimer]

3rd World populations are a totally different story...That's the big rub. Look at Mexico and these Central American countries.

Did you see the story of that gas pipeline that blew up the other day? Killed 100 people. These idiots haven't got the common sense to run AWAY from a 50 ft. gasoline geyser. Half the friggin' village came out with jerry cans and buckets. Crazy!

Three billion dollars a year of stolen gas is being pilfered in Mexico by gangs. If the shit starts getting real just south of the border, we're going to have problems. The possibility of millions on the move.

I love to be optimistic, but corruption is the real ball and chain.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Four climate scientists destroy the anthropogenic global warming <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; background-color: rgb(229, 207, 163);">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&amp;v=mqejXs7XgsU


but--but--but--The "science" was settled :ne_nau:

[Iceaxe]

The sad part about this Global Warming fight is it reminds my of the government vs tobacco wars of the early 70's when both sides knew the facts yet continued to lie their ass off for monetary gains.

[stefan]

Four climate scientists destroy the anthropogenic global warming

"destroy" is an amusing term folks in the heartland institute's disinformation bubble would use.

i remember many years ago sombeech touting a "pause" in the rise of the annual global average temperature and i asked what if it continues to rise?

here is through 2017 ...

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https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

[oldno7]

Well--I'd likely go sombeech being as viable climate scientist as anybody..

So--what is it that the "scientist" above state that is not true?

Or--are they just the radical right scientist?

and you and alore are the radical left scientist.

Which means science can be manipulated.

Which means science has an agenda.

which would stand to reason that you can only trust science, if it's your guy managing the statistics--got it...:roflol:

[oldno7]

"destroy" is an amusing term folks in the heartland institute's disinformation bubble would use.

i remember many years ago sombeech touting a "pause" in the rise of the annual global average temperature and i asked what if it continues to rise?

here is through 2017 ...

91743

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/


So--In the history of our spaceball(earth), your going with 140 years of questionable data to form the basis of your opinion? Got it...:2thumbs:

[Sombeech]

Well--I'd likely go sombeech being as viable climate scientist as anybody..


Hell I don't even remember most of the tens of thousands of things I've posted, but I guess once in a while they are remembered years later by some.

[oldno7]

those radical grey haired guys in the video, use 4.65 BILLION years for data.

stephen is proving them wrong with 140 years

climate science:roflol:

[rockgremlin]

Guys -- one of the top climate scientists has already revealed that the Earth is going to end in 12 years because of global warming anyways. May as well just quit your job, cash out your retirement accounts, and move to Puerto Rico. The END IS NIGH!!!

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/420/986/8986420.PNG

[oldno7]

proof of a new ice age--well at least as good of proof as 140 years of doctored charts

[BasinCruiser]

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[accadacca]

Scientists want to help save the Earth by storing carbon dioxide in the ground

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/02/28/does-carbon-tax-credit-hold-key-fixing-climate-change/2589582002/

[rockgremlin]

Scientists want to help save the Earth by storing carbon dioxide in the ground

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/02/28/does-carbon-tax-credit-hold-key-fixing-climate-change/2589582002/

Yup...carbon sequestration. It's a concept that's been around for a while. I think it's actually being done in some parts of the world.

My question is...

For the sake of argument, let's assume that global warming is all man's fault (a notion I disagree with). So what's the end game? What supposed action will save the world from ending in 12 years (as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims).

I think at this point there's no way to stop global warming. This is a cycle that has been set into motion ever since the industrial revolution. I'm not convinced that electric cars and windmills are going to undo all of that.

I think at this point we would be better off adapting for a warmer future than trying to invent some fail safe to maintain the status quo.

Change my mind...

[Sombeech]

I think at this point we would be better off adapting for a warmer future

That would make sense though

[Iceaxe]

The problem with the current global warming scare is they are using such a small slice of time to make their point.

Just 56 million years ago, which is the blink of an eye in earth's history, the earth was much warmer then it is today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190303/2caedbf12b464c725fffd2c12e2aec83.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Why does this global warming argument sound so familiar?!?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190304/d4409c04659d3ff5ce24c60aa4d47347.jpg

[twotimer]

Why does this global warming argument sound so familiar?!?

Because people have been making money preaching this bullshit for a long time. The Jimmy Swaggarts of Mother Nature.

You know what the world oldest profession is, right? The second oldest profession?...the pimp.

[rockgremlin]

Why does this global warming argument sound so familiar?!?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190304/d4409c04659d3ff5ce24c60aa4d47347.jpg

I have an almost identical article from some liberal fishwrap that I saved over a decade ago. It was preaching doom and utter ruin of civilized society by the year 2020 unless we stopped global warming. I was saving it so I could bust it out next year and I could call Bullshit...yet again. Maybe I'll go find it and post it up 9 months early.

[rockgremlin]

I really like Louder with Crowder. He did a segment on Global Warming I mean Climate Change:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwviDPo4Rh4

[twotimer]

Mother Nature is the whore, the "Anthropogenic Climate Change Scientist" is the pimp and those that buy into the nonsense are the Johns.

There are folks out there that worship rocks, too.

[oldno7]

I think Crowder spends too much time on bogley:haha:

[devo_stevo]

Yeah, the guy's making too much sense.

[rockgremlin]

Yeah, the guy's making too much sense.


He can be annoying sometimes with his constant cutaways and overdramatic style, and you have to take what he says with a grain of salt sometimes but much of what he says makes a lot of sense and really resonates with me because I am a natural born skeptic.

I question almost everything, and I really distrust anything that can be influenced by money or power -- and the Global Warming I mean Climate Change argument that is very much driven by both. I can go out on the internets right now and find a dozen reputed, respectable "scientists" who claim that Global Warming I mean Climate Change is legit -- and an equal amount who claim otherwise.

How much money did Al Gore make from his "Inconvenient Truth?" -- A turd of a movie that has been proven false now in so many ways.

[stefan]

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Yup...carbon sequestration. It's a concept that's been around for a while. I think it's actually being done in some parts of the world.

My question is...

For the sake of argument, let's assume that global warming is all man's fault (a notion I disagree with). So what's the end game? What supposed action will save the world from ending in 12 years (as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims).

I think at this point there's no way to stop global warming. .

[oldno7]

Well--this don't fit the agenda at all


Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Scientists Expect Global Cooling (https://truepundit.com/amidst-global-warming-hysteria-nasa-scientists-expect-global-cooling/)


“We see a cooling trend,” said Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”


The new NASA findings are in line with studies released by UC-San Diego (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aaa124/meta)
and Northumbria University (http://computing.unn.ac.uk/staff/slmv5/kinetics/popova_etal_jastp17.pdf)
in Great Britain last year, both of which predict a Grand Solar Minimum in coming decades due to low sunspot activity. Both studies predicted sun activity similar to the Maunder Minimum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum)
of the mid-17th to early 18th centuries, which coincided to a time known as the Little Ice Age, during which temperatures were much lower than those of today.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/30214-nasa-sees-climate-cooling-trend-thanks-to-low-sun-activity

[oldno7]

amazing how the chicken littles have so much high dollar education but lack the ability to be smart..

Money can't buy that.

[devo_stevo]

Wait. Are you really trying to say that the sun putting out more heat makes it warmer here? Then when the sun is less active and putting out a little less heat makes it cooler here?

Hold on here....you're obviously just not as smart as you think you are....never mind. I got nothing.

[twotimer]

Whenever I think of global warming, I think of this picture. That friggin' thing is virtually right there. Blazin' away.

91095

Who knew, huh?

[rockgremlin]

Well--this don't fit the agenda at all


Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Scientists Expect Global Cooling (https://truepundit.com/amidst-global-warming-hysteria-nasa-scientists-expect-global-cooling/)


“We see a cooling trend,” said Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”


The new NASA findings are in line with studies released by UC-San Diego (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aaa124/meta)
and Northumbria University (http://computing.unn.ac.uk/staff/slmv5/kinetics/popova_etal_jastp17.pdf)
in Great Britain last year, both of which predict a Grand Solar Minimum in coming decades due to low sunspot activity. Both studies predicted sun activity similar to the Maunder Minimum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum)
of the mid-17th to early 18th centuries, which coincided to a time known as the Little Ice Age, during which temperatures were much lower than those of today.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/30214-nasa-sees-climate-cooling-trend-thanks-to-low-sun-activity


See -- this is exactly what I'm talking about. NASA aren't a bunch of MAGA hat wearing right-wingers. And yet they predict a global cooling on the horizon.

Ehh...it doesn't matter anyway. This bartender in New York said that the whole planet is going to experience a mass extinction event IN 12 YEARS.

:roflol::roflol::roflol:

[twotimer]

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Here's a picture I took of the front range today. 12 feet of global warming up there.

[oldno7]

See -- this is exactly what I'm talking about. NASA aren't a bunch of MAGA hat wearing right-wingers. And yet they predict a global cooling on the horizon.

Ehh...it doesn't matter anyway. This bartender in New York said that the whole planet is going to experience a mass extinction event IN 12 YEARS.

:roflol::roflol::roflol:

yea--wouldn't it be weird to find out that global warming and global cooling, come about from the ""SUN"":crazy:

Now that would be crazy talk

[ddavis]

See -- this is exactly what I'm talking about. NASA aren't a bunch of MAGA hat wearing right-wingers. And yet they predict a global cooling on the horizon.

Ehh...it doesn't matter anyway. This bartender in New York said that the whole planet is going to experience a mass extinction event IN 12 YEARS.

:roflol::roflol::roflol:

I've learned to check these claims, because they are invariably false. This is no different - it is false. It's an old claim that was apparently made last Nov, and debunked. Here's what the actual NASA researcher says:

Martin Mlynczak (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Mlynczak), Senior Research Scientist, NASA Langley Research Center:
The claims such as those in the Metro article are false. If you check the original story at Space Weather (https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/09/27/the-chill-of-solar-minimum/) [the source of the quotes], there is no mention of a mini ice age, nor is there any mention of consequences for weather and climate at Earth’s surface.
To emphasize, the cooling effects we are seeing in Earth’s thermosphere are a result of the current solar minimum conditions. The thermosphere is the layer of Earth’s atmosphere beginning 65 miles above Earth’s surface and is highly sensitive to solar activity. There is no relationship between the natural cycle of cooling and warming in the thermosphere and the weather/climate at Earth’s surface. NASA and other climate researchers continue to see a warming trend in the troposphere, the layer of atmosphere closest to Earth’s surface. There is no inconsistency between the science findings of a warming troposphere [where we live] and the Thermosphere Climate Index described above in the Space Weather article.


Here's what another researcher says on the same topic:

Georg Feulner (https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/feulner), Senior Scientist, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK):
[This comment taken from an evaluation (https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/the-telegraph-dan-hyde-earth-heading-for-mini-ice-age-within-15-years/) of a similar statement.]
While regional and seasonal effects might be larger, the expected global temperature response to a future grand solar minimum similar to the Maunder Minimum is a cooling of about 0.1°C. It should be pointed out that this cooling would occur on the background of current anthropogenic warming which is about a factor of 10 larger. To claim that “temperatures will fall dramatically” is thus not really justified. It is also clear from these numbers that a future grand solar minimum (which would last only for a few decades anyway) would not save us from global warming, as we have shown in a scientific paper (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL042710/abstract) and explained here (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/what-if-the-sun-went-into-a-new-grand-minimum/). The marginal temperature differences between warming scenarios with and without a future Maunder Minimum is illustrated here:
http://www.realclimate.org/images/Feulner_fig4.jpg
Figure – Rise of global temperature for two different emission scenarios (A1B, red, and A2, magenta). The dashed lines show the slightly reduced warming in case a Maunder-like solar minimum should occur during the 21st century. The blue line represents global temperature data. Source: PIK (http://www.pik-potsdam.de/).
[Read more about how the claim propagated online: False claims of a coming ice age spread through (https://climatefeedback.org/false-claims-coming-ice-age-ecosystem-unreliable-news-sites-blogs-social-media-accounts/)

[rockgremlin]

^^^In the interest of objectivity, I'll admit I bit without double-checking the source. Looked pretty legit.


But this is just another example of why the original creator of this thread "...doesn't know what to believe" anymore. There is so much noise out there parading as truth, and much of it is well disguised.


To be fair.....biting on false information is pretty common these days.... <cough,cough> Jussie Smollet <cough,cough>

[Iceaxe]

Oh No... a "Bomb Cyclone"

Notice how the church of climate change uses new scary terms for things that have always been happening in order to sell the agenda.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/us/winter-storm-blizzard-wednesday-wxc/index.html

[rockgremlin]

Oh No... a "Bomb Cyclone"

Notice how the church of climate change uses new scary terms for things that have always been happening in order to sell the agenda.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/us/winter-storm-blizzard-wednesday-wxc/index.html

UH huh. So this "Bombogenesis" is man's fault?

This remarkably cold weather system is the result of........Global Warming. :roll:

[twotimer]

I've learned to check these claims, because they are invariably false.

This is precisely why I never comment on these things and I never post up graphs or charts. Bullshit covered with bullshit abounds.

I'll make my observations by looking out the window. Their chicken little predictions wore thin a long time ago.

[twotimer]

Oh No... a "Bomb Cyclone"

Notice how the church of climate change uses new scary terms for things that have always been happening in order to sell the agenda.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/us/winter-storm-blizzard-wednesday-wxc/index.htmlIt's a friggin' blizzard. They're all just a bunch of attention whores.

[Sombeech]

Oofhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190313/6e9efe0083d674a394364e44e0aa21b4.jpg

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[EricBTTA]

He can be annoying sometimes with his constant cutaways and overdramatic style, and you have to take what he says with a grain of salt sometimes but much of what he says makes a lot of sense and really resonates with me because I am a natural born skeptic.

I question almost everything, and I really distrust anything that can be influenced by money or power -- and the Global Warming I mean Climate Change argument that is very much driven by both. I can go out on the internets right now and find a dozen reputed, respectable "scientists" who claim that Global Warming I mean Climate Change is legit -- and an equal amount who claim otherwise.

How much money did Al Gore make from his "Inconvenient Truth?" -- A turd of a movie that has been proven false now in so many ways.

You’ll find 97 percent of scientist claiming it’s happening, and 3 percent on the denial side, definently spread half and half.....

Also there seems to be a lot of money and power on the side of inaction and denial, all to benefit the major corporations of the world, particularly the oil industry


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[Iceaxe]

You’ll find 97 percent of scientist claiming it’s happening, and 3 percent on the denial side, definently spread half and half.....

The argument is not over if the climate is changing, as I think just about everyone agrees it's continually changing...

The argument is over how much man is responsible for the change and to what percentage.

And welcome to Bogley. :2thumbs:

[Sombeech]

You’ll find 97 percent of scientist claiming it’s happening, and 3 percent on the denial side


This statistic has been proven to be wildly misleading, unfortunately.

[rockgremlin]

This statistic has been proven to be wildly misleading, unfortunately.

Word. I dredged up a YouTube video about the origins of the infamous 97%. Just a few days ago in fact.

Here I'll post it again:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwviDPo4Rh4

[oldno7]

guy jumps head first into bogley with proven fake news:2thumbs:

nice

[twotimer]

Hotter 'n Hell here in Denver today...



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[Iceaxe]

guy jumps head first into bogley with proven fake news:2thumbs:

nice

He'll fit in great....

[emoji106]

[oldno7]

He'll fit in great....

[emoji106]

I was thinking maybe even a Spartacus moment....:mrgreen:

[Sombeech]

If the climate is really in trouble, why aren't the believers prepping for it?

No Climate Change Doomsday preppers.

Strange.

[twotimer]

If the climate is really in trouble, why aren't the believers prepping for it?

No Climate Change Doomsday preppers.

Strange.I've actually put this question to my "we're screwed" friends...I can't get a straight answer. They drive cars and trucks, have more kids, fly on jets, buy nice toys, throw more logs on the fire.

My best assessment is it's truly like a religion...kinda like how many Christians are really ready for the Tribulation, yet they still fervently believe.

Funny how they point fingers at people like you and me saying "denier", when it's occurred to me that it's actually THEM that are the deniers. Kinda like those that simply refuse to believe that Micheal Jackson was a pedophile. They've got "the truth" as they see it locked into their brains.

I think these people, instead of having tunnel vision for charts and graphs, should travel around a bit more...y'know? Look out the friggin' window.

[rockgremlin]

If the climate is really in trouble, why aren't the believers prepping for it?

No Climate Change Doomsday preppers.

Strange.


Exactly.

If AOC really believed the Earth was going to end in 12 years because of Global Warming, then why isn't she looking at real estate in Greenland, or stockpiling food and supplies to power through the pandemic heat wave that is going to claim all life on the planet as we know it.

Because it's bull$hit. That's why.

[twotimer]

Watch out Rock...somebody's gonna call you a DENIER because you're not in bed with all these brilliant scientists that have it all figured out.

[rockgremlin]

Watch out Rock...somebody's gonna call you a DENIER because you're not in bed with all these brilliant scientists that have it all figured out.


You know it's funny.....the very essence of science and critical thinking is to question everything.

But if you question anthropogenic global warming you're blackballed and vilified.



Now tell me --- is it really science, or has it now graduated into the realm of politics, where reality is defined by a committee and may be influenced by money and power? It really smells like the latter to me.

[stefan]

Oh No... a "Bomb Cyclone"

Notice how the church of climate change uses new scary terms for things that have always been happening in order to sell the agenda.


except it’s not a new term ...

but it is noticeable how you see a very specific “agenda” in the stuff you read.

even carlin made fun of the weather jargon meteorologists use for decades

[EricBTTA]

I've actually put this question to my "we're screwed" friends...I can't get a straight answer. They drive cars and trucks, have more kids, fly on jets, buy nice toys, throw more logs on the fire.

My best assessment is it's truly like a religion...kinda like how many Christians are really ready for the Tribulation, yet they still fervently believe.

Funny how they point fingers at people like you and me saying "denier", when it's occurred to me that it's actually THEM that are the deniers. Kinda like those that simply refuse to believe that Micheal Jackson was a pedophile. They've got "the truth" as they see it locked into their brains.

I think these people, instead of having tunnel vision for charts and graphs, should travel around a bit more...y'know? Look out the friggin' window.

Interesting perspective, there should be more for sure, but you are talking to one here, been prepping for a while now. Specifically prepping for mass crop failure, pandemic diseases, civil unrest and extreme weather/ wildfires.

These are the things that we should be prepping for. As far as I can see most of these people that you are referring to already have a defeatist attitude, I hear it all the time “the why bother crowd” figures they’re toast anyways.


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[Iceaxe]

except it’s not a new term ...

but it is noticeable how you see a very specific “agenda” in the stuff you read.

even carlin made fun of the weather jargon meteorologists use for decades


I get that it's nothing new... Except this weather pattern used to be referred to by it's correct scientific term "explosive cyclongenisis", but we all know that doesn't make for a really scary sound bite.

An a little FYI... I'm not the one with an agenda, you have me confused with mainstream media. I just enjoy pointing out their attempt to sensationalize everything... see the difference?

[twotimer]

been prepping for a while now. Specifically prepping for mass crop failure, pandemic diseases, civil unrest and extreme weather/ wildfires.

These are the things that we should be prepping for.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell now...looks like you're ready if the shit hits the fan, eh? I certainly don't blame you one bit. Widespread disease, unrest, food shortages, race riots? Personally, I think we'll probably have at least a little bit of lead up to it...so I'll stock up with fresh stuff. I'm keeping an eye on Europe, because I think if things start going south, it'll start there. I'm not worried about fire where I live.

I put the odds of the Apocalypse, one way or another, quite low. I'm 56 and have been listening to "the end is right around the corner" one way or another since I was a teenager. We used to smoke joints and talk about where to "bug out" back in the late 70s.

40 more years, that's all I ask. I'm optimistic. After that? Who knows...

[EricBTTA]

Wouldn’t say I’m ready, I don’t think anyone can be truly prepared for anything of that nature in the end. The ultimate goal in my mind is to be as ready as you possibly can be, while still enjoying your time on this rock.

Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.

-Cheers


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[Iceaxe]

Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.



^^^THIS^^^

[ddavis]

This statistic has been proven to be wildly misleading, unfortunately.

No, actually, it hasn't. NASA has a site discussing this very thing. The guy who came up with that claim used some dodgy analysis methods, as pointed out in the paper referenced below (the reference is from the NASA website). The paper does a nice summary on many (if not most) of the studies that look at consensus.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/#footnote_1) show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree* (https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/#*): Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

Reference 1: J. Cook, et al, "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002)," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 11 No. 4, (13 April 2016); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024)

Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”

It took me 5 minutes to find this. The NASA site includes statements from leading scientific organizations from around the world. You can also click on the reference and go read the paper yourself. It's worth a read, and not too difficult. The abstract and conclusion sections are pretty interesting all by themselves.

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https://climate.nasa.gov/system/internal_resources/details/original/103_shutterstock_88550854-740px.jpg



An image from the wonderful NASA website mentioned above...

[Sombeech]

No, actually, it hasn't.

Yeah, sorry. It has.

[ddavis]

Yeah, sorry. It has.

No it hasn't. The claim that it has was refuted. Thoroughly. Where are you getting your information?

[Iceaxe]

Where are you getting your information?

Yeah beech... you can't just say it's wrong without backing it up..... :popcorn:

[oldno7]

I choose to believe this "scientist" formerly from NASA

the chicken littles, choose other "scientist"

But either way, the "science or genuine lack thereof, is far from settled.

Their "science" is faith based and certainly lacks consensus to be settled!





“Until climate science is funded independent of desired energy policy outcomes, we can continue to expect climate research results to be heavily biased in the direction of catastrophic outcomes,” Spencer wrote.

U.S. government funds virtually no research into natural causes of climate change, now that human-caused global warming has become so fashionable.

Then, when global average temperatures essentially stopped rising after about 1997 (the so-called pause or hiatus), those same researchers had to look to Mother Nature to find some sort of natural cooling mechanism that they believed was canceling out the human-caused warming. This has at least had the benefit of bringing the potential role of natural climate change back into the debate.

The models are only as good as their weakest link. And the old adage about computers—“garbage in, garbage out”—remains true today.

The claim that 97 percent of climate experts agree on global warming and climate change is not true, and was based upon a study with flawed methodology. Nevertheless, I’m quite sure a fairly large majority of climate experts believe that recent warming is mostly man-made, and could be a potentially serious problem in the distant future. A recent survey of members of the American Meteorological Society found that 67 percent believe that recent warming is mostly (or completely) human-caused. That leaves 33 percent who believe that less than half of climate change is the fault of humans, which is a big difference from the 97 percent survey which would suggest only a 3 percent minority opinion.

Besides, if global warming is settled science, like gravity or the Earth not being flat, why isn’t the agreement 100 percent? And since when is science settled by a survey or a poll?

Remember, virtually 100 percent of climate research is ultimately managed by either politicians in Congress who appropriate the research funds, or political appointees heading up the funding agencies who decide in more detail what kinds of research will be supported. Congress does not provide research funds for non-problems…if the global warming threat were to cease to exist, the funding would disappear. This means the scientists also have a vested interest in keeping the global warming issue alive.

Scientists convince themselves that even if they are wrong about the science, getting humanity off of fossil fuels is the right thing to do anyway. (I’ve actually had mainstream climate scientists tell me this).

[oldno7]

NOAA’s updated data was also criticized by climate scientists with the libertarian Cato Institute. Scientists Richard Lindzen, Patrick Michaels and Chip Knappenberger argue the adjustments made by NOAA were “guaranteed to put a warming trend in recent data.”

“Adjusting good data upwards to match bad data seems questionable, and the fact that the buoy network becomes increasingly dense in the last two decades means that this adjustment must put a warming trend in the data,” wrote Michaels, Knappenberger and Lindzen, who is a top climatologist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Scientists and climate experts skeptical of man-made global warming have become increasingly critical of temperature adjustments made by government climate agencies like NASA and NOAA. Skeptics charge that agencies like NOAA have been tampering with past temperatures to make the warming trend look much more severe than is shown in the raw data.

Georgia Tech climate scientist Judith Curry also chimed in, arguing that NOAA excluded extremely accurate sea buoy data in order to erase the hiatus in warming. Curry wrote that it “seems rather ironic, since this is the period where there is the greatest coverage of data with the highest quality of measurements — ARGO buoys and satellites don’t show a warming trend.”



“Nevertheless, the NOAA team finds a substantial increase in the ocean surface temperature anomaly trend since 1998,” she wrote. “This short paper in Science is not adequate to explain and explore the very large changes that have been made to the NOAA data set. The global surface temperature datasets are clearly a moving target. So while I’m sure this latest analysis from NOAA will be regarded as politically useful for the Obama administration, I don’t regard it as a particularly useful contribution to our scientific understanding of what is going on.”

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

In 2008, Dr. Ivar Giaever joined (http://upstart.bizjournals.com/news/technology/2008/10/29/over-70-nobel-science-laureates-endorse-obama.html?page=all) over 70 Nobel Science Laureates in endorsing Barack Obama for president, but seven years later the Nobel Prize winner now stands against the president on global warming.“I would say that basically global warming is a non-problem,” Giaever, who won the Nobel for physics in 1973, told (http://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/34729/ivar-giaever-global-warming-revisited/laureate-giaever) an audience at the Lindau Nobel Laureate meeting earlier this month.Giaever ridiculed Obama for stating that “no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.” The physicist called it a “ridiculous statement” and that Obama “gets bad advice” when it comes to global warming.“I say this to Obama: Excuse me, Mr. President, but you’re wrong. Dead wrong,” Giaever said.


Giaever argued that there’s been no global warming for the last 17 years or so (based on satellite records), weather hasn’t gotten more extreme and that global temperature has only slightly risen — and that’s based on data being “fiddled” with by scientists, he said. “When you have a theory and the theory does not agree with the experiment then you have to cut out the theory. You were wrong with the theory,” Giaever said.

[stefan]

Well--this don't fit the agenda at all


Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Scientists Expect Global Cooling (https://truepundit.com/amidst-global-warming-hysteria-nasa-scientists-expect-global-cooling/)

“We see a cooling trend,” said Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”

The new NASA findings are in line with studies released by
UC-San Diego (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aaa124/meta)and
Northumbria University (http://computing.unn.ac.uk/staff/slmv5/kinetics/popova_etal_jastp17.pdf)in Great Britain last year, both of which predict a Grand Solar Minimum in coming decades due to low sunspot activity. Both studies predicted sun activity similar to the
Maunder Minimum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum)of the mid-17th to early 18th centuries, which coincided to a time known as the Little Ice Age, during which temperatures were much lower than those of today.


https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/30214-nasa-sees-climate-cooling-trend-thanks-to-low-sun-activity


the text you quote misrepresents what the NASA scientist's said ... unsurprisingly as you regularly rely on dubious information.

the cooling referred to by the NASA scientist is in the thermosphere ... as in 65+ miles and beyond above the earth's surface. in contrast there is still a significant warming trend in the troposphere (0-11 miles above the earth's surface).

the original place where the NASA scientist's comments appear makes no mention of little ice age or temperatures/weather on the surface of the earth ... nor do scientists find a direct relationship between warming/cooling of thermosphere and the surface of the earth/troposphere.

whether or not the predictions of a grand solar minimum will come to fruition in the coming decades and whether or not that could lead to a cooling effect ... the amount of cooling predicted from such a grand solar minimum has predicted to be a small fraction compared to the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

and again ... the little ice age was a localized event in the upper northern hemisphere, not a global event as we're currently observing.

[stefan]

I get that it's nothing new... Except this weather pattern used to be referred to by it's correct scientific term "explosive cyclongenisis", but we all know that doesn't make for a really scary sound bite.

nice try but "bomb cyclone" has and continues to appear in the scientific literature. fred sanders used both "bomb" and "explosive cyclogenesis" to refer to these types of cyclones. it goes without saying that "bomb cyclone" is the catchier phrase.





An a little FYI... I'm not the one with an agenda, you have me confused with mainstream media. I just enjoy pointing out their attempt to sensationalize everything

uh huh

[oldno7]

the text you quote misrepresent what the NASA scientist's said ... unsurprisingly as you regularly rely on dubious information.

the cooling referred to by the NASA scientist is in the thermosphere ... as in 65+ miles and beyond above the earth's surface. in contrast there is still a significant warming trend in the troposphere (0-11 miles above the earth's surface).

the original place where the NASA scientist's comments appear makes no mention of little ice age or temperatures/weather on the surface of the earth ... nor do scientists find a direct relationship between warming/cooling of thermosphere and the surface of the earth/troposphere.

whether or not the predictions of a grand solar minimum will come to fruition in the coming decades and whether or not that could lead to a cooling effect ... the amount of cooling predicted from such a grand solar has predicted to be a small fraction compared to the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

and again ... the little ice age was a localized event in the upper northern hemisphere with, not a global event as we're currently observing.

So----you believe your "scientist" and I believe mine.

And if it all is a "belief"--there is no "science" involved.

Your "belief" is a religion, not un settled science.



oh--and by the way---I "believe" all your information is dubious...

[stefan]

So----you believe your "scientist" and I believe mine.

And if it all is a "belief"--there is no "science" involved.

Your "belief" is a religion, not un settled science.


you don't read too carefully. i am referencing science, not telling you what i believe.

the NASA scientist who was being quoted says it was misrepresented.

your posts continually misrepresent the science. it's par for the course

[oldno7]

Do you not understand
climate scientist Judith Curry ?

There is no science here, it is a belief system.

If you, or anyone could prove man made global warming, they would do so.

No one can without being rebuked by equally as qualified climate scientist.

Hence--No settled science!

[oldno7]

your posts continually misrepresent the science. it's par for the course

your "science" misrepresents and alters facts!

[oldno7]

Who pays for all this bad science, and worse, news? We do, of course. And it doesn't come cheap. According to data compiled by Joanne Nova at the Science and Public Policy Institute (http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed)
, the U.S. Government spent more than $32.5 billion on climate studies between 1989 and 2009. This doesn't count about $79 billion more spent for related climate change technology research, foreign aid and tax breaks for "green energy."

But consider a much larger issue. Whatever our individual political orientations or climate views, let's all recognize that it is a very big deal indeed when key professionals entrusted with important science and reporting responsibilities betray our trust. Think about government policy impacts involving many billions of dollars that are influenced by false premises, including regulatory standards and budgets attached to energy, environmental, science and education programs. Try to imagine but a few of the sweeping impacts of bad science upon our national economy and daily lives.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/07/26/we-get-what-we-pay-for-with-disastrous-climate-science/#52d812ed7ecf

[oldno7]

So, stefan, which of your "scientist" is not paid through grant money or direct government payroll?

If they end the "research" they end the cash cow...

[Iceaxe]

Gosh oldno7... haven't you figured it out yet? Stefan's scientist are correct because they support his agenda, and your scientist are full of male bovine excrement because they oppose his agenda... it's the liberal way.

Besides, your scientist are probably just a bunch of rich old white guys making money off the environment, while his scientist are a politically correct multiethnic group of men, women and transgenders that only care about the environment and allowing men to dress like women so they can jerk off in the littles girls bathroom...

See the difference?

[oldno7]

Oh-no, I figured it out long ago.

If science has an agenda--it is not science.

I can disprove stef and deb all day long but the only information they listen too,

goes in their left ear.

They have no unbiased analytical abilities.

If they can prove man made global warming/climate change, I'm all ears--they cannot.

There is no settled science in this regard or ever will be.

But--blind loyalty makes their house payments, so there is that...

[twotimer]

There is no settled science in this regard or ever will be.

On the contrary...when our cities burn up, the glaciers disappear, coasts flood, massive hurricanes smash and destroy one after another, worldwide famine, disease, insects go apeshit, forests all burn up and the sky turns red...then we'll know they were right all along.

I think that would be a good time for Jesus to show back up, too.

[rockgremlin]

ddavis stefan --

For my part, I acknowledged back in post #325 that I gullibly bit on that NASA article without questioning or double checking sources. It's an easy thing to do. Clearly this is an issue that many folks are passionate about, and sometimes it can be difficult to divest emotion.

In college I wrote two papers about Global Warming -- one supporting and the other opposing it. Additionally I've read a lot of extra curricular literature about the issue. Enough to conclude that the issue has become blurred too much by money and power to be infallible. At this point the term "global warming" is now basically a political grandstand. But that's just one guy's opinion. You can disagree and I won't hold it against you.

Personally, I would like to see our dependence on fossil fuels dwindle to nothing at all - but not because I fear the Earth will end in 12 years, but because I believe we have the capability to utilize and exploit much more efficient energy sources in the form of solar, hydro, etc. Why continue to burn coal and oil when we have the capacity to wean ourselves from it forever? I believe our society is already headed in that direction -- which is why coal's grip on energy production in the U.S. has slid by over 50% in the last 20 years. So, were on the right track. But in the meantime, I just cannot buy into the doomsday scenarios so prevalent in the media. Because that might work on the gullible masses on Facebook or CNN, but it repulses me.

[Sombeech]

OK here's an explanation about the infamous "97% of scientists agree" quotation that absolutely everybody has heard.

If there is an aspect to this explanation that is incorrect, I would be open to hearing it. But as you'll see, the origins of this statistic are less than honest. A lot of people agree that the climate changes, but much less agree to the extent it's caused by human created CO2.

If somebody uses this statistic to say 97% of scientists agree that human activity is changing the climate, this is largely misleading and false.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

[Iceaxe]

ddavis stefan --

For my part, I acknowledged back in post #325 that I gullibly bit on that NASA article without questioning or double checking sources. It's an easy thing to do. Clearly this is an issue that many folks are passionate about, and sometimes it can be difficult to divest emotion.

In college I wrote two papers about Global Warming -- one supporting and the other opposing it. Additionally I've read a lot of extra curricular literature about the issue. Enough to conclude that the issue has become blurred too much by money and power to be infallible. At this point the term "global warming" is now basically a political grandstand. But that's just one guy's opinion. You can disagree and I won't hold it against you.

Personally, I would like to see our dependence on fossil fuels dwindle to nothing at all - but not because I fear the Earth will end in 12 years, but because I believe we have the capability to utilize and exploit much more efficient energy sources in the form of solar, hydro, etc. Why continue to burn coal and oil when we have the capacity to wean ourselves from it forever? I believe our society is already headed in that direction -- which is why coal's grip on energy production in the U.S. has slid by over 50% in the last 20 years. So, were on the right track. But in the meantime, I just cannot buy into the doomsday scenarios so prevalent in the media. Because that might work on the gullible masses on Facebook or CNN, but it repulses me.



^^^Excellent

[oldno7]

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[EricBTTA]

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It’s funny because climate science in itself doesn’t have any political leaning and the earth’s climate doesn’t care if you are liberal or conservative. The findings are pretty clear, and if you take an unbiased look, it’s rather obvious that things are definently changing on a worldwide scale, with some regions being more affected than others.

Now when it comes to gender studies...... that’s a whole different thing. I wouldn’t even call it science at all. Gender studies is totally ridiculous and silly.


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[oldno7]

It’s funny because climate science in itself doesn’t have any political leaning

Correction, this is a myth/fake reporting.

Facts have no political bias!

Those who interpret facts to fit an political agenda on the other hand....



"it’s rather obvious that things are definently changing on a worldwide scale"(you spelled definitely wrong):facepalm1:


Rather obvious to whom? The "climate scientist" who's whole livelihood depends on government grants?


Educated makes you educated on what people want you to learn, it does in no way make you smart--merely educated, often times

by an educator who has a political bias.

A smart person would know how to weed through the fluff and establish your own opinion on real facts, not taught half truths or altered facts.

[oldno7]

you'll have to excuse me for a minute--I have to go put another log in my woodstove.

[Iceaxe]

It’s funny because climate science in itself doesn’t have any political leaning and the earth’s climate doesn’t care if you are liberal or conservative. The findings are pretty clear, and if you take an unbiased look, it’s rather obvious that things are definently changing on a worldwide scale, with some regions being more affected than others.

Your "science" like your post are filled with political leanings.... don't believe me? Then try this on for size and get back to me....

What is the timeline you are basing your science on? 56 million years ago the earth was much warmer than it is today. So based on that timeline the earth is cooling.

Care to comment on the above statement? Do you see the error in your thinking and original post yet?

:popcorn:

[twotimer]

if you take an unbiased look, it’s rather obvious that things are definently changing on a worldwide scale, with some regions being more affected than others.




Really? I don't see it...and "some areas" sounds suspiciously like cherry picking. Please show me places where it's obvious and perhaps you'll make a believer out of me...I've been waiting for someone to bust out that "proof" for at least 25 years. Lot's of talk, not a lot of walk.

Glaciers? Here, check this out...151103-antarctic-ice-growing-shrinking-glaciers-climate-change (https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151103-antarctic-ice-growing-shrinking-glaciers-climate-change/).

Pick a side, eh? I'll wait to see where the dust finally settles.

[BasinCruiser]

I guess the founder of Greenepeace has political leanings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vqlq3wsWrI&amp;t=28s

[EricBTTA]

Your "science" like your post are filled with political leanings.... don't believe me? Then try this on for size and get back to me....

What is the timeline you are basing your science on? 56 million years ago the earth was much warmer than it is today. So based on that timeline the earth is cooling.

Care to comment on the above statement? Do you see the error in your thinking and original post yet?

:popcorn:

Yes the earth was much warmer back then, but the earth also looked a lot different back then too, not a very good comparison. The Eocene was a very different time period in geological history with flora and fauna that had evolved to live in those conditions.

The difference is that now as we move from the Holocene into the anthropocene, The earth’s climate is changing with a trend towards warming, now yes this happens naturally and has in the past. The thing that is alarming is the fast rate of warming. This along with other environmental issues are leading to what many are calling the “6th mass extinction”.

There have been many instances in earths history that have been warmer, it’s more that we and many other creatures on this planet aren’t adapted or can’t keep up with the rate of change.

That’s what’s alarming.


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[EricBTTA]

I guess the founder of Greenepeace has political leanings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vqlq3wsWrI&amp;t=28s

The founder of Greenpeace isn’t a scientist, he is an activist


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[twotimer]

arcticseaicenews (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/) This is pretty interesting. I was wondering how the Arctic is doing RIGHT NOW considering it's supposed to be fading away.

Of course, they make sure not to say "Hey, looking good!". But it is.

This is where they lose people like me.

[twotimer]

Here's an image for the official NASA "we're all screwed" website...August, right? Says it'll be "ice free" by mid century. Show a picture of it in March instead, you assholes.

This bait and switch probably works well on ignorant kids or enviro religious zealots.

https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/491

[Scott Card]

This along with other environmental issues are leading to what many are calling the “6th mass extinction”.

There have been many instances in earths history that have been warmer, it’s more that we and many other creatures on this planet aren’t adapted or can’t keep up with the rate of change.

That’s what’s alarming.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Looks like I better get right to the store so I can swap out my cotton sheets for some wicking - drifit type sheets. Nothing worse than a hot and muggy night.

[Iceaxe]

The earth’s climate is changing with a trend towards warming, now yes this happens naturally and has in the past. The thing that is alarming is the fast rate of warming. This along with other environmental issues are leading to what many are calling the “6th mass extinction”.

So using your specific hand picked best case example timeline the earth is warming.... got it.

And now to try and solidify your case you are tossing in nonspecific "other" issues... got it.

The point I was trying to make is your "science", which you claim was not political or biased was neither. It just depends on who's data, facts and what data points you include and exclude.

I will grant you we have some serious environmental issues and that the climate is changing (it's always changing). There are times in history it has changed faster and slower.

It's great you are environmentally aware, just don't fall for all the chicken little the sky is falling male bovine excrement being spoon fed by the liberal media. What I always tell my kids about topics like this is if you want to know the truth just follow the money.


[emoji631]

[oldno7]

That’s what’s alarming.


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Eric--if you don't mind, I'm not going to be alarmed..

[oldno7]

If I were to be alarmed, I might go out in the yard and cuss a cloud

https://i.imgflip.com/2wn7gw.jpg

[twotimer]

Hey Eric, I hope you don't feel like you're being ganged up on, although it kinda looks that way.

In reality, I think all of us "deniers" here are open to anything that is reasonable and has proof...not just the opinion of some scientist driving a new Lexus, know what I mean?

[Iceaxe]

In reality, I think all of us "deniers" here are open to anything that is reasonable and has proof...not just the opinion of some scientist driving a new Lexus, know what I mean?

FWIW - I don't consider myself a denier, I just have some issues with what is being sold by the liberal media as undeniable science.

I know for a fact a major portion of what is being sold as news these days is polically motivated to support a radical left agenda, or #FakeNews.

I fail to see why this issue would be any different, that's just commonsense to me. I believe most people these days understands the news lies to them, why do they believe this issue is any different?

[emoji631]

[EricBTTA]

So using your specific hand picked best case example timeline the earth is warming.... got it.

And now to try and solidify your case you are tossing in nonspecific "other" issues... got it.

The point I was trying to make is your "science", which you claim was not political or biased was neither. It just depends on who's data, facts and what data points you include and exclude.

I will grant you we have some serious environmental issues and that the climate is changing (it's always changing). There are times in history it has changed faster and slower.

It's great you are environmentally aware, just don't fall for all the chicken little the sky is falling male bovine excrement being spoon fed by the liberal media. What I always tell my kids about topics like this is if you want to know the truth just follow the money.


[emoji631]

I think that’s a fair criticism, I should have listed these other factors that are also contributors to the 6th mass extinction (ie; pollution, deforestation, poor agricultural practices, the spread of invasive species and the over harvesting of natural resources)

I’m also not one to just buy into anything without looking into it myself. I too have many issues with the media these days, they are too caught up in sensationalism, appeasing their advertisers and propping up the elites (on both sides of the aisle). More of an Elite bias as far as I see it.

Most “real” climate scientists aren’t well off at all. They are often in the field, living out of tents doing research out of Greenland, the arctic or Antarctic.

But I do believe there are plenty of public figures who are definently profiting off this issue tho and this does us all a disservice, just like there are also plenty of fake experts on the denial side also making a profit as well.

So I understand the lack of trust in the media. They haven’t been doing their job for years now.








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[EricBTTA]

Hey Eric, I hope you don't feel like you're being ganged up on, although it kinda looks that way.

In reality, I think all of us "deniers" here are open to anything that is reasonable and has proof...not just the opinion of some scientist driving a new Lexus, know what I mean?

Doesn’t bother me, I’m not an ideologue who is solely on team liberal, I don’t need a safe space, I can handle my own.

More than happy to talk about this stuff with you guys.





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[twotimer]

Doesn’t bother me, I’m not an ideologue who is solely on team liberal, I don’t need a safe space, I can handle my own.

More than happy to talk about this stuff with you guys.





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[Iceaxe]

Right on, dude. Glad you're on board...
X2

[twotimer]

ar-BBVdgOX (https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/big-u-turn-key-melting-greenland-glacier-is-growing-again/ar-BBVdgOX?li=BBnbfcL#page=2)...this sounds quite like the Mueller report...what they want isn't happening but they'll come up with any excuse to deny it.

[oldno7]

ar-BBVdgOX (https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/big-u-turn-key-melting-greenland-glacier-is-growing-again/ar-BBVdgOX?li=BBnbfcL#page=2)...this sounds quite like the Mueller report...what they want isn't happening but they'll come up with any excuse to deny it.


ahhh, man--this sucks so bad----the earth is doing good:cold:

next thing ya know they'll say Trump had nothing to do with the Russians

It has got to suck to be wrong so much....

[BasinCruiser]

Mike Lee has an interesting response to the GND.


http://www.facebook.com/178081365556898/posts/2320418777989802?sfns=mo

:roflol:

[rockgremlin]

Mike Lee has an interesting response to the GND.


http://www.facebook.com/178081365556898/posts/2320418777989802?sfns=mo

:roflol:

That's an interesting perspective:


"The Green New Deal is not a serious policy document because it is not a policy document at all. It’s an aesthetic one. This resolution is not an agenda of solutions. It’s a token of elite tribal identity – and endorsing it, a public act of piety for the chic and woke.
And on those embarrassing terms, it is already a resounding success.
As Speaker Pelosi herself put it: “The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”
Right."



Even more interesting that it appears Ms. Pelosi is not behind it by the way she casually disregards it.

[oldno7]

Was a great speech and likely brought up "realities" that maybe the writers of said deal, may not have considered..

[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

Green New Deal a swing and a miss as Senators from both sides of the aisle shoot it down.

Funny thing is: Trump wants to keep the GND discussion alive because "...it makes Democrats uncomfortable." :roflol:


https://www.ksl.com/article/46518786/senate-republicans-force-a-vote-on-green-new-deal

[Sombeech]

Friggin gold, it's gold Jerry.

Mike Lee on the disastrous Green New Deal tonight, it got shot down 57-0 and I legitimately respect those Dems that dared to do more than to simply vote Present.

AOC, take some notes.


http://youtu.be/sK27NZon11w

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[Sombeech]

OMG this is too much. Trying to find a YouTube version but until then.....

So Here is a montage of dems saying how badly we need the green new deal and these predictable sell outs voted present, rather than for the green new deal. Isn't it amazing?

https://www.instagram.com/cnnfake_news_propaganda/p/BvfqxCDAE6j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=60x5outpmvnl

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[twotimer]

OMG this is too much. Trying to find a YouTube version but until then.....

So Here is a montage of dems saying how badly we need the green new deal and these predictable sell outs voted present, rather than for the green new deal. Isn't it amazing?

https://www.instagram.com/cnnfake_news_propaganda/p/BvfqxCDAE6j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=60x5outpmvnl

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkYep...like when companies like Harley Davidson or GM say they're going to move production overseas and Trump jumps on them...he's CRITICIZED for it! That's why he got elected, and will get elected again. HE"S the one that's for the workers. MAGA matters.

These Dems come off like backstabbers and liars.

If you find this video, I'd love to see it.

[accadacca]

War, famine and drought: More women say they won't have children because of climate change

“It almost feels like a con, to bring a child into the world when it’s probably not going to be a place*we’re really going to want to live,” says*Formisano, 30, who manages a co-working space in Los Angeles.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/26/climate-change-war-famine-drought-makes-women-not-want-children/3099448002/

[Iceaxe]

^^^Crackpot

People who don't know history drive me crazy. There has probably never been a better and safer time in human history to have children then today in America.

Hell, we have so damn much food that even our poor people are fat. No one should starve to death in this country. That has never happened before in history... never...

Part of this I blame on people and their lazy ignorance and part I blame on #FakeNews for always trying to scare the shit out of the sheepeople.

/End Rant

[devo_stevo]

Exactly. Americans who whine about poverty have no idea what real poverty looks like. Spend a couple of years living in a third world country and you'll see what I mean. We have it pretty good here. I wish people would stop trying to ruin it with their nonsense.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/3XSdxSQ.jpg

[Sombeech]

Yep...like when companies like Harley Davidson or GM say they're going to move production overseas and Trump jumps on them...he's CRITICIZED for it! That's why he got elected, and will get elected again. HE"S the one that's for the workers. MAGA matters.

These Dems come off like backstabbers and liars.

If you find this video, I'd love to see it.

Here's a ripped off version on YouTube, showing these Dems pumping and promoting the Green New Deal, how badly we need it for the planet, and EVERY ONE OF THEM voted Present, not a single vote in the positive for Green New Deal. 57-0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRZOjPdnFmY

[Iceaxe]

BUT BUT BUT BUT global warming, It MUST be true, the liberals and CNN say it is so, you know, like Russian Collusion....

I always ask what caused the last 5 ice ages. Scientist admit they do not know. And if you look at the graph, those hot spikes all have the same incline, appearing seemingly out of nowhere. And there was no human organized civilizations of any consequence back then.

Some scientists believe dinosaur farts caused the end of the ice age 150 million years ago... don't believe me? It's true, look it up, except they use the technical term "release of methane gas". https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/e963cb557975e32185050c5ed3034506.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

It’s all the whites.....(shuffles deck).. ruining the environment with your.......(shuffles deck).....diets.

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/45295/new-study-says-one-group-has-worst-eating-habits-hank-berrien


Just wait til the minority dem pres hopefuls like Booker, Kamala, Fauxahontas, Master Beto integrate this reasoning linking it with their calls for reparations.

[twotimer]

Hmmm...on the menu tonite, a thick juicy steak I just picked up from Costco...you know, those ones that are ridiculous thick. Give that a couple hours to settle in the gut and then I'll wipe out a whole pint of super, duper ice cream.

Ahhh, it's good to be white, and rich.

[BasinCruiser]

According to Her Royal Highness, climate change is the cause of all of the global migration problems. Yes- it’s cow farts that are causing communities, economies, and countries to collapse and war to break out and migrants to flee their countries. It has nothing to do with failed ideologies and over controlling or corrupt governments. Thank you AOC for your intellect and wisdom.

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[oldno7]

:haha:
Scientists Recommend Reducing The Number Of Democratic Presidential Candidates To Help Fight Climate Change


“No one ever thought this many people would run for president,” said climate scientist Dr. Raymond Hall, “and the planet just can’t take it. We’re talking each of them eating up resources vying for airtime, printing stickers with trite slogans, and flying from Iowa to New Hampshire. If they were actually all to be in one place for a debate, it would be an ecological disaster.”Scientists recommend the current Democratic field be reduced to less than half the current number or we could see an increase in hurricanes, droughts, kaiju, and “other climate change things.” As for what to do with the excess candidates, researcher Jeannie Perry said, “As always, I’d recommend firing them into space. Barring that, someone should just sit down with them and explain to them that no one is ever going to vote for them and hope that keeps them from running around consuming resources in a futile effort for presidential power.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/scientists-recommend-reducing-the-number-of-democratic-presidential-candidates-to-help-fight-climate-change

[rockgremlin]

:haha:
Scientists Recommend Reducing The Number Of Democratic Presidential Candidates To Help Fight Climate Change


“No one ever thought this many people would run for president,” said climate scientist Dr. Raymond Hall, “and the planet just can’t take it. We’re talking each of them eating up resources vying for airtime, printing stickers with trite slogans, and flying from Iowa to New Hampshire. If they were actually all to be in one place for a debate, it would be an ecological disaster.”Scientists recommend the current Democratic field be reduced to less than half the current number or we could see an increase in hurricanes, droughts, kaiju, and “other climate change things.” As for what to do with the excess candidates, researcher Jeannie Perry said, “As always, I’d recommend firing them into space. Barring that, someone should just sit down with them and explain to them that no one is ever going to vote for them and hope that keeps them from running around consuming resources in a futile effort for presidential power.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/scientists-recommend-reducing-the-number-of-democratic-presidential-candidates-to-help-fight-climate-change





:roflol: This is hysterical. The ludicrousness of this article mirrors many other things that liberals obsess about -- like banning drinking straws for hell sakes. Ya, like drinking straws were ever a problem for the environment...:roll: If they're really that concerned about saving our planet from plastic, why don't they propose something that actually matters -- like plates, cups, bowls, etc. Why drinking straws of all things?

[EricBTTA]

Didn’t read the specific article but disposable plastic drinking straws are among some of the worst offenders for plastic pollutants, representing a huge portion of waste floating in our oceans.

So yeah we should be switching away from this kind of waste, that also goes for any disposable plastics, water bottles, coffee lids, etc

I’d also argue the damage is already done tho

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/5071486/dead-whale-philippines-plastic-stomach/amp/





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[rockgremlin]

I'll have to hunt it down but I read an article a while ago claiming that of all of the discarded plastic waste drinking straws accounted for approximately 0.025%.

Statistically insignificant...

[rockgremlin]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/07/news-plastic-drinking-straw-history-ban/


Pretty good article.

[oldno7]

Didn’t read the specific article but disposable plastic drinking straws are among some of the worst offenders for plastic pollutants, representing a huge portion of waste floating in our oceans.



Eric
I guess I can't figure out how all these plastic straws end up in the ocean.

Do people use them in Kansas, then on their next vacation to Cal. bring a collection from past years and toss them in?

Guess I could use some data:ne_nau:

Now I'm wondering if landfills are sorting out plastic straws and shipping them to the oceans.

[oldno7]

On the other hand--what if fish learn to use these straws and the oceans begin to recede?

Will the climate change and melting of all the sea ice compensate for this type of drawdown?

[rockgremlin]

Eric
I guess I can't figure out how all these plastic straws end up in the ocean.

Do people use them in Kansas, then on their next vacation to Cal. bring a collection from past years and toss them in?

Guess I could use some data:ne_nau:

Now I'm wondering if landfills are sorting out plastic straws and shipping them to the oceans.

The way I understood it, cities on the coast (ie New York, Los Angeles, etc) used to send a lot of their trash out to sea on a barge and dump it in the ocean. Not sure if this practice is still common anymore.

But all landlocked cities send their trash to approved landfills, far from the ocean. So it's here that the argument that straws are polluting our oceans falls apart.

Of course, the issue of straws being a threat to the environment was never an issue until Starbucks made it so. It's called marketing.

Follow the money.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/DVGtwMf.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/DVGtwMf.jpg)

[twotimer]

No kidding! We have tons of "homeless" addicts living in tents along Cherry Creek and the Platte River and when I ride the bike paths, you see these damn things all over the place. They have special trash cans for them, but they seem to be ignored.

It's the stupid Dem politicians here in Denver that give the needles out for free and set up the "shooting galleries" for them.

They do it because they're "Concerned for the addicts safety"...which makes it easier for them to keep shooting up, so they can keep shooting up.

Like telling someone you care about that they really should stop smoking...but then you buy them a carton of cigarettes? Liberal logic.

[oldno7]

Liberal logic.

These same "scientist" did a study and found there are just as many unicorns as liberals with logic.

[Sombeech]

This is an outright lie.

https://www.strawlessocean.org/faq

To the point made by oldno7 above, how do the straws used in Kansas end up in the ocean.

This article, which will be quoted by so many "scientists" and political activists, claims that of the 500 million DAILY straws used in the U.S., most of them end up in the ocean. It is very disappointing how lies like this are being spread and used to fuel political activism.


Plastic straws are really bad for the ocean. It’s estimated that we use over 500 million every day in America (http://www.ecocycle.org/bestrawfree/faqs), and most of those end up in our oceans, polluting the water and killing marine life. We want to encourage people to stop using plastic straws for good. If we don’t act now, by the year 2050 there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish (https://www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/news/new-plastics-economy-report-offers-blueprint-to-design-a-circular-future-for-plastics).

[uintafly]

This is an outright lie.

https://www.strawlessocean.org/faq

To the point made by @oldno7 (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=2899) above, how do the straws used in Kansas end up in the ocean.

This article, which will be quoted by so many "scientists" and political activists, claims that of the 500 million DAILY straws used in the U.S., most of them end up in the ocean. It is very disappointing how lies like this are being spread and used to fuel political activism.


Plastic straws are really bad for the ocean. It’s estimated that we use over 500 million every day in America (http://www.ecocycle.org/bestrawfree/faqs), and most of those end up in our oceans, polluting the water and killing marine life. We want to encourage people to stop using plastic straws for good. If we don’t act now, by the year 2050 there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish (https://www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/news/new-plastics-economy-report-offers-blueprint-to-design-a-circular-future-for-plastics).

This is the typical m.o. of the modern day social justice warrior. Focus on one tiny little thing and demonize it to make yourself feel better, while not actually doing anything. It reminds me of when everyone was putting up those Kony 2012 signs. I am pretty sure if someone is kidnapping kids in Africa, they aren't going to give 2 shits if a homemaker in Draper puts a sign in their yard. It probably made a lot of people feel good about themselves though. These straws are the same thing. Sure we all use way too much plastic for everything, but what % of that is straws? .0000000001% or so I am guessing. The same people giving me side eye for using a straw in a restaurant probably used 5 lbs. of plastic in the last month between all of the water bottles and product packaging they bought.

[Sombeech]

Yeah I read somewhere that most of the plastic pollution in the ocean came from 3rd world countries anyways, like the whale in one of the articles above that had a lot of plastic waste in it's stomach, it was off the coast of the Philippines.

The U.S. does have the best intentions in the world, literally, and we can keep improving and solving our problems, but it's not going to change the pollution problem in the world.

With time, we can hope our good example shines around the world and inspires others, but that's about all we can do. Straws in Utah aren't going to do a damned thing though. They don't even end up in the Great Salt Lake.

[rockgremlin]

This is the typical m.o. of the modern day social justice warrior. Focus on one tiny little thing and demonize it to make yourself feel better, while not actually doing anything. It reminds me of when everyone was putting up those Kony 2012 signs. I am pretty sure if someone is kidnapping kids in Africa, they aren't going to give 2 shits if a homemaker in Draper puts a sign in their yard. It probably made a lot of people feel good about themselves though. These straws are the same thing. Sure we all use way too much plastic for everything, but what % of that is straws? .0000000001% or so I am guessing. The same people giving me side eye for using a straw in a restaurant probably used 5 lbs. of plastic in the last month between all of the water bottles and product packaging they bought.


YES!!

Exactly my point. Most social justice warriors are so blinded by statistics and nonsense that they are unable to recognize fact from fiction. Even when facts and sources are placed right in front of their eyes they will refuse to see and/or accept it.

I like to call that "self-inflicted myopia", and it is a trait that is rampant among liberals.

[uintafly]

YES!!

Exactly my point. Most social justice warriors are so blinded by statistics and nonsense that they are unable to recognize fact from fiction. Even when facts and sources are placed right in front of their eyes they will refuse to see and/or accept it.

I like to call that "self-inflicted myopia", and it is a trait that is rampant among humans.

Fixed it a little bit for ya. :naughty:

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/yl3mpcl8ses21.jpg (https://i.redd.it/yl3mpcl8ses21.jpg)

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

anyone we know?



https://preview.redd.it/ixtrz9fkeuu21.jpg?width=573&auto=webp&26254875 (https://preview.redd.it/ixtrz9fkeuu21.jpg?width=573&auto=webp&26254875)

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/NAT9JW5.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/NAT9JW5.jpg)

[oldno7]

https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/man-mada-climate-change.jpg

[rockgremlin]

https://i.imgur.com/NAT9JW5.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/NAT9JW5.jpg)


^^^ That's what's so frustrating -- in the face of overwhelmingly good news, the catastrophizers get the most attention because they scream the loudest.

[oldno7]

cycles anyone?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaBUQ3NU1w&amp;feature=youtu.be

[twotimer]

^^^ That's what's so frustrating -- in the face of overwhelmingly good news, the catastrophizers get the most attention because they scream the loudest.I think it's just that there are lots of people that just aren't happy unless they go to bed miserable every night.

[Iceaxe]

Why I don't fall for progressive scare tactics on the climate anymore....


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190430/2186943210baace2dba29a150b172bdd.jpg

[oldno7]

Hang on----Now we are down to 10 years left.......

Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election) sounded the alarms on Monday, saying that civilization has only “ten years” left on Earth (https://www.foxnews.com/category/science/planet-earth) if no action is taken on climate change.
The former Texas congressman unveiled (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/betos-green-new-deal-flagging-in-polls-orourke-unveils-5t-climate-change-plan) the first major policy proposal of his candidacy (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election), which is a climate change initiative that would cost $5 trillion in over 10 years in hopes of reaching zero carbon emissions by 2050.


Appearing on MSNBC, O'Rourke promoted his proposal but was asked about his prior support from the oil and gas industry, and whether the relationship would be a problem going forward.

[rockgremlin]

Hang on----Now we are down to 10 years left.......

Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election) sounded the alarms on Monday, saying that civilization has only “ten years” left on Earth (https://www.foxnews.com/category/science/planet-earth) if no action is taken on climate change.
The former Texas congressman unveiled (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/betos-green-new-deal-flagging-in-polls-orourke-unveils-5t-climate-change-plan) the first major policy proposal of his candidacy (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election), which is a climate change initiative that would cost $5 trillion in over 10 years in hopes of reaching zero carbon emissions by 2050.


Appearing on MSNBC, O'Rourke promoted his proposal but was asked about his prior support from the oil and gas industry, and whether the relationship would be a problem going forward.



https://www.manzanillosun.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/%E2%80%9CThe-Sky-is-Falling%E2%80%9D-Chicken-Little1.jpg

[Iceaxe]

I really had a difficult time deciding if this belonged in the Climate Change thread or the Bitchez be Crazy thread... but because it was in the news under climate change I guess we better go with that....

Ecosexuals believe having sex with the earth could save it

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wdbgyq/ecosexuals-believe-having-sex-with-the-earth-could-save-it?utm_campaign=sharebuttonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/1bf8686bb44903f2618edde4aaf53398.jpg

[rockgremlin]

Whatever you do....Do NOT type "ecoporn" into the search feature over at PornHub. Good Gad!!! :jaw-dropping::puke8:

[twotimer]

I wonder what year it was when the first movie played that showed somebody vomiting.

[Sombeech]

Oh so now you can have sex with the earth but not a horse. Ok whatever

[rockgremlin]

As promised, I went and dug through all my old stuff to find this little internet gem from 2004 claiming complete Armageddon in 20 years due to Global Warming.

This kind of propaganda and scaremongering is uncalled for and is the reason I don't/can't buy any doomsday predictions I hear from the crazy left anymore. If you get a second, read the entire article. It's utter nonsense.

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[Sombeech]

When they post maps showing all of the flooding and the coastal cities being wiped out from the earth warming up 3 degrees, I'm completely fine with that.

[oldno7]

^^^^

I'd of liked twice, if I could:mrgreen:

[BasinCruiser]

92666

92667

[rockgremlin]

^^^I've always thought that in a professional setting, once you use curse words you've immediately lost all credibility and respectability.


But then again, Bill is neither credible nor respectable, so.....

[tallsteve]

My daughter lives in LA and ran into him last Saturday at a bike shop near where she lives. She wanted to chat with him but he was too intently involved with the salesman. I told her maybe that was a good thing since we didn't want the crazy to rub off, haha!

[BasinCruiser]

92811

https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/national-park-glacier-warnings/

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/OulB4X6.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/9Er90a3.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^EXACTLY!!

Put your money where your mouth is and move to higher ground if you're so unequivocally certain that GW is going to wipe humanity from the planet in 12 years.

[BasinCruiser]

Those pesky Martians are following our bad example of burning fossil fuels.

92862


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/mars-also-undergoing-climate-change-ice-age-retrea/

[oldno7]

^^^^Thats odd- I wonder where the sneaky little devils hide their cows...:ne_nau:

[accadacca]

A stray polar bear is seen in the industrial city of Norilsk, Russia, on Monday. A polar bear described as "starving and exhausted" and looking for food has strayed into a city in Russia's northern Siberia, hundreds of miles from the animal's natural Arctic range.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/world/europe/polar-bear-norilsk-russia.html

[Sombeech]

Those pesky Martians are following our bad example of burning fossil fuels.

92862


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/mars-also-undergoing-climate-change-ice-age-retrea/


Those probes and rovers have been "Rolling Coal" again, blowin' that sweet black smoke and peeling out with bitches on the tailgate

[BasinCruiser]

Those probes and rovers have been "Rolling Coal" again, blowin' that sweet black smoke and peeling out with bitches on the tailgate

If only we would have sent e-rovers, we wouldn’t have destroyed the environment there, either.

[Sombeech]

E-rovers are for fatties

[twotimer]

A stray polar bear is seen in the industrial city of Norilsk, Russia, on Monday. A polar bear described as "starving and exhausted" and looking for food has strayed into a city in Russia's northern Siberia, hundreds of miles from the animal's natural Arctic range.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/world/europe/polar-bear-norilsk-russia.htmlI saw a documentary about polar bears about 15 years ago. It was a good one...among all the info were these bears that are habitually addicted to garbage. They eat plastic and get jacked up.

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/LSUoK2K.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Interesting read....

Decades ago, the UN promised climate disaster; so why hasn't it arrived?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel-turner-un-climate-disaster

[rockgremlin]

Interesting read....

Decades ago, the UN promised climate disaster; so why hasn't it arrived?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel-turner-un-climate-disaster

Entertaining but way too short.

The left turns a blind eye to articles like this. Do they think their climate dogma is infallible? Why put so much faith into a science that's been proven false time and time again?

[twotimer]

Why put so much faith into a science that's been proven false time and time again?The oldest occupation in the world is the whore, the second oldest is the pimp. They're making a fine living off people's fears that we humans are just too much for the planet. A fool and his money...and there's no shortage of fools.

Maybe 30 years from now they'll all be able to laugh in our faces, eh? The last 30 didn't work out to good for them.

[Iceaxe]

In another 30 years it will be the same story, just repackaged with a new and improved label....

[BasinCruiser]

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[twotimer]

Saw this at the big parking lot at Zion last year...tell me what's going on here.

92959

[Sombeech]

Saw this at the big parking lot at Zion last year...tell me what's going on here.

92959

I saw the "parking lot full" signs when I was down there last month, and I pulled right in, hiked up an almost empty Angels Landing. Granted, it was at the secret time in the evening when everybody else is at the Denny's back in St George, but they made no effort to move the signs. I'll bet they just keep them up in the same spot for the whole summer.

Anybody who follows Zion NP on Facebook will see most of their posts this year are showing the huge crowds at the park. I honestly think they are trying to turn people away now. Really, I think they are trying to put out the word that Zion is always too full, go somewhere else.

[accadacca]

July was the Earth's hottest month on record in any year dating back to 1880

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/15/july-2019-earths-hottest-month-record/2017913001/

[twotimer]

July was the Earth's hottest month on record in any year dating back to 1880

/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/15/july-2019-earths-hottest-month-record/2017913001/)Oh yeah? According to who? I don't believe a damn thing these people say anymore.

When I can paint exteriors in December then perhaps I'll buy in.

[Iceaxe]

I don't doubt the climate is changing.... it's been changing for the past 13.8 billion years... call me when ya got something new.

Climb-Utah.com

[twotimer]

Saw this at the big parking lot at Zion last year...tell me what's going on here.

92959The point of this picture is that although the lot is full, the two spaces for the electric cars are empty.

[Iceaxe]

BOOM!

Hypocrisy from yet another politician.

.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/d14f9f4e31e7fbdb6ec8864e03e9c80b.jpg

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

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[bathwalter]

Maybe global warming is really happening not through the fault of humanity. But people help this very well, we promote and accelerate this process, I think. Without the damage that man gives to nature - non-processed waste, plants, etc. - the planet would feel better.

[rockgremlin]

Here's the deal:

You can always tell someone is talking bullshit by observing their actions. Does their narrative match their behavior? Do they practice what they preach?

In the case of Global Warming, many folks have now made the outlandish assertion that Earth will end in precisely 12 years if we don't do something drastic about Global Warming today:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez_the_world_is_going_to_end_in_12_years_if_we _dont_address_climate_change.html

But -- and this is a big BUT: Do the actions of those that are making these claims match their message? In other words, are these folks selling their coastal property and moving inland in anticipation of the floods? Are they selling their ocean side real estate and buying a yurt in Colorado because Global Warming is going to cause a catastrophic rise in sea levels? Is Uhaul just kept unbelievably busy by a nonstop stream of folks making a mass migration inland to to avoid the floods? Is real estate prices in coastal areas dropping precipitously in coastal areas because folks are leaving in mass?

NO?

Why not? If it was really true, wouldn't it be the most catastrophic event in modern human history? Why wouldn't there be a mass migration? Why would Obama himself purchase a multi million dollar palace in Martha's Vineyard -- surely one of the first places to be affected by the oncoming floods?

Because it's hogwash. It's all just hot air (pun intended). It's just bullshit political scare tactics that are designed to further an agenda. That's it, pure and simple.

If folks were migrating inland by the thousands, I would change my tune right now, but that's never going to happen.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/214519/1004897230628102144_jpg-1068757.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

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https://techultras.com/nasa-admits-that-climate-change-occurs-because-of-changes-in-earths-solar-orbit-and-not-because-of-suvs-and-fossil-fuels/

[rockgremlin]

93128

https://techultras.com/nasa-admits-that-climate-change-occurs-because-of-changes-in-earths-solar-orbit-and-not-because-of-suvs-and-fossil-fuels/

Hmmmmm...I dunno about this one. NASA has been a pretty outspoken proponent of global warming in the past.

I mean...the content of the article makes sense to me, but most folks are gonna call this one fake news.

[accadacca]

Salt Lake City reaches 100 degrees in September for first time in 40 years, NWS says

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/04deeec5289608d7ef946fdf7fafd471.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^ Serious question:

To anybody who believes humans are to blame for the melting of all that ice - do you also believe that if all humans everywhere just switched over to renewable energy tomorrow that those ice caps would return?

Cuz I believe that ship has sailed. The damage is done. No amount of solar energy and wind farms are going to restore the ice caps and glaciers that have melted. At this point, our best course of action is to plan to live in a warmer world - instead of trying to restore the earth to temperatures pre-Industrial revolution.

[oldno7]

^^^ Serious question:

To anybody who believes humans are to blame for the melting of all that ice - do you also believe that if all humans everywhere just switched over to renewable energy tomorrow that those ice caps would return?

Cuz I believe that ship has sailed. The damage is done. No amount of solar energy and wind farms are going to restore the ice caps and glaciers that have melted. At this point, our best course of action is to plan to live in a warmer world - instead of trying to restore the earth to temperatures pre-Industrial revolution.

or---we can wait 20 years and the ice will come back naturally.

of course--we have less than 12 years to live at this point, so who cares?

[devo_stevo]

Just for fun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQDtgH1ZuM

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/x7ju7lg8nnk31.jpg

[dougrz]

^^^
Looked this up and yes. Nice!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-lawsuit-mann-has-to-pay/

[Iceaxe]

Wow! This is a really good read on climate change. Not only does it state that we are not all going to die, but that we are actually better off with a warmer planet because of increased crop yields, more plants and a few other items. Of course it was written by an educated climate scientist and not a fear mongering politician so what the hell does he know....

Justin Haskins: Sleep well, Ocasio-Cortez, and consider having a family. Here's the truth about our planet

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/justin-haskins-sleep-well-ocasio-cortez-science-shows-that-climate-change-not-catastrophic-and-actually-has-benefits

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/227zmWo.png

[BasinCruiser]

Got to love green tech. As with many liberal policies and initiatives, when you account for the entire project from beginning to end - impact on mining the ore and making the parts, manpower to build, deliver, assemble, maintain, and environmental impact of discarding the used up worn down parts, just like with e-cars, does wind power really save anything on efficiency, $ costs, or environmental impact?

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https://www.theblaze.com/news/retiring-worn-out-wind-turbines-is-a-wasteful-process

[rockgremlin]

Got to love green tech. As with many liberal policies and initiatives, when you account for the entire project from beginning to end - impact on mining the ore and making the parts, manpower to build, deliver, assemble, maintain, and environmental impact of discarding the used up worn down parts, just like with e-cars, does wind power really save anything on efficiency, $ costs, or environmental impact?

93158



https://www.theblaze.com/news/retiring-worn-out-wind-turbines-is-a-wasteful-process



They kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats every year as well.

https://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

[Iceaxe]

Doomsdays that didn’t happen: Think tank compiles decades’ worth of dire climate predictions

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/failed-climate-change-predictions

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

Decades of failed 'eco-predictions' more about politics than climate

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mark-levin-climate-change-predictions-failed-study

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLxpgRqxtEA&feature=youtu.be

[rockgremlin]

^^^:lol8::lol8::lol8:

Ya ever notice that when it comes to the climate debate the majority of those trying to push an aggressive "Earth-friendly" agenda are almost always just kids, with almost no life experience, and very little perspective beyond two decades?

Why is that? :ne_nau:

[devo_stevo]

I enjoyed that video far more than I probably should have. That was brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

[BruteForce]

Utah ski resorts getting into the Climate Change discussion. Didn't we just come off a record snow-fall ski season? :ne_nau: