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Thread: Concealed Carry Question
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04-08-2010, 03:28 PM #1
Concealed Carry Question
I understand that under current law I cannot carry a weapon in a National Park but I can carry on Federal land in Utah if it is managed by the Forest Service or the BLM.
I am unsure about Escalante though because it is a National Monument but administered by the BLM.
Is it legal to carry in the monument?
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04-08-2010 03:28 PM # ADS
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04-08-2010, 04:11 PM #2
A law was just recently passed that allows guns in national parks, as long as guns are also allowed by state law:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/
You should be good to go in any national park, monument, or recreation area in Utah.
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04-08-2010, 05:12 PM #3
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04-08-2010, 06:29 PM #4
Didn't this go back and forth a few times between Bush and Obama?
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04-08-2010, 08:17 PM #5
The BLM's website is much less user-friendly, so I couldn't find anything specific to GSENM, but I found several local national parks' websites that say firearms are currently permitted within the parks pursuant to Utah gun laws:
http://www.nps.gov/care/parkmgmt/firearmslaw.htm
http://www.nps.gov/zion/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm
http://www.nps.gov/cany/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm
http://www.nps.gov/arch/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm
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04-08-2010, 09:06 PM #6
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04-08-2010, 10:26 PM #7
Yup, you gotta watch out for all those criminals hiding out in the national parks. Especially the ones with only one entrance and exit. They could set up an ambush just like in the olden days.
bruce from bryce
'I used to work for the government; but I was not part of the problem'
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04-09-2010, 10:32 AM #8
I've seen a lot of dangerous activity in National Parks and Recreation areas.... Number one on my highlight reel is about 20 years ago I watched a guy get stabbed and killed at Lake Powell. What did the guy do to deserve getting stabbed a dozen times? He was strolling down the beach at night and walked across some wind surfers sail.... the wind surfer grabbed a knife and attacked the poor dude while screaming "you are the last ignorant son-of-a bitch that is going to walk on my sail". It was ugly...
The most dangerous animal on the planet is man....
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04-09-2010, 12:27 PM #9
On any given weekend, Lake Powell is just a little incident like that ready to explode. Recreation means lots of fun toys and lots of beer - a bad mixture. Just avoid stepping those sails. I would say that generally other than the recreation areas, the parks are not like that.
bruce from bryce
'I used to work for the government; but I was not part of the problem'
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04-11-2010, 02:47 PM #10
I think the alcohol fueled bomb ready to explode can describe just about every crowed campground in every National Park, not just the ones in the recreation areas.
Anyhoo.... it doesn't matter much to me, I'm always armed, I prefer to have the choice of what action to take to protect myself and my family..... why take a risk you don't have to? I already know the rangers can't protect me, they can't even get a simple permit system to run smoothly....
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04-11-2010, 05:14 PM #11
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04-12-2010, 05:27 AM #12
I have always ignored that anyhow, if I ended up using it and got a ticket for having it on my I figured it was a good trade '1 ticket for being alive'.. the Rangers job is not to protect you it is to respond after the poo has hit the fan or to ticket you :)
Tacoma Said - If Scott he asks you to go on a hike, ask careful questions like "Is it going to be on a trail?" "What are the chances it will kill me?" etc. Maybe "Will there be sack-biting ants along the way?"
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04-12-2010, 06:55 AM #13
I've never been searched by a Ranger.
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04-12-2010, 10:28 AM #14
I was pulled over for speeding in Zion (Kolob Road). First thing the ranger does when he walks up to the window was ask me if I had any weapons. I told him there was a 9mm under the seat.... that was pretty much the end of the story, he never asked to see the gun or anything else... he just wrote me out a warning for speeding and told me to slow down.... I bet 50% of the vehicle using the Kolob Road have a firearm in them.... all those cabin's and hunting areas outside the park that are accessed by the Kolob road.... and all them damn Utah hillbillies...
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04-12-2010, 10:33 AM #15
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04-13-2010, 04:00 PM #16
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04-23-2010, 09:23 PM #17
Was that a few years ago? Current law allows you to conceal a loaded handgun in your vehicle, even without a permit.
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04-26-2010, 01:04 PM #18
Yes and no.... depends on what you call loaded.
Utah law has always allowed you to carry a loaded firearm (bullets in the magazine) in your vehicle.... but the firearm has to be two steps away from being fired (can't have a bullet in the nose), and that is still the law for the average citizen (those without a CCP).
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04-29-2010, 10:46 PM #19
Actually as of last year that law has changed.
http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_050500.htm
Under current Utah Law, anyone can conceal a fully loaded (not Utah loaded with your two step action) handgun in their vehicle, without a permit.
Also prior to the passing of this law in 2009 you were never legally permitted to carry a loaded handgun unless it was securely encased and not easily accessible.
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05-04-2010, 03:28 PM #20
I've found that any time I have a question about where I can and can't carry my gun, BCI is usually the best resource. I just call them and ask. If anyone has up to date info, it's gonna be them.
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