Assault Weapons?

[oldno7]

relevance here as well

[Iceaxe]

Ahhh, those first three little words.

You still beating that dead horse?

Com'on Brian... you are better then that.... I know we have covered the issue at least three times in this thread... you might disagree with the Supreme Courts interpretation of the the 2nd Amendment... but it's the law of the land until the Amendment is changed or the Supreme Court reverses its self.

[stefan]

since y'all like to cite heller ...

from the syllabus of DC vs Heller ...

[quote]Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court

[BruteForce]

As a ~10 year veteran of the US Army, and ardent gun owner, I'm an tired and sickened by this conversation. I think its clear there was no AR-15 used in CT; in fact, I'm not even positive the shootings occurred but instead were a drill by Homeland Security (plenty of YouTube videos to represent this case).

AR does NOT equal Assault Rifle. AR was coined because Armalite created the AR-15. Politicians decided that "Assault Rifle" would garner votes for those opposed to semi-auto rifles.

It sickening and sad when anti-gun liberals scream for bans, but when the shit-hits-the-fan, they either come "out of the closet" declaring themselves as gun owners, or they hide behind a gun wielding police officer. So many of my neighbors don't have guns, but many of them have asked if they could be in my basement when he shit hits.

Liberal asshats: When the timing doesn't work for you, you can support just about anything, but when the timing is against you, you will ETADIK to take care of things.

[Iceaxe]

since y'all like to cite heller ...

from the syllabus of DC vs Heller ...

I'm not sure where you are going with this?

Unless you are suggesting an AR-15 is not in common use or is a dangerous or unusual weapon.

I don't see anyone that disagrees with what you quoted. I only see folks defending what you quoted.

[oldno7]

I'm not sure where you are going with this?

Unless you are suggesting an AR-15 is not in common use or is a dangerous or unusual weapon.

I don't see anyone that disagrees with what you quoted. I only see folks defending what you quoted.

Yep

Hit and run again.

Even Tom understood that which stefan tries to argue.

I guess stefan was trying to make a point??

[oldno7]

I think the progressives are intellectually bankrupt on this issue and heres why....

They are not vested because, they have nothing to lose. Nobody is trying to cleverly relinquish their property.

If someone was, they would certainly comply.

They have NO idea that there are people, including local agencies(sheriff) willing to die to defend the 2nd Amendment. (read the Utah Sheriffs Assoc. letter to obama.

Gun owners are backed into a corner right now and the majority will not fold.

[Byron]

"Call 911" is what they say to do. Yeah...well, when you do that, who shows up? That's right...MEN WITH GUNS. They also arrive in some cases to draw a chalk line around the body.

Personally, I'm in absolutely no mood whatsoever to have a debate or "rational" discussion or reach some kind of compromise on this...all of you gun hating idiots can KMA. I haven't seen anything...and I mean ANYTHING from the gun control crowd worthy of merit, not even regarding the mental health issue. This thread, like Brute said, is pretty pathetic because those on the wrong side of this friggin' thing just won't give an inch.

Funny, I've seen Oldno, Ice, RG, Beech and virtually the whole "non left" crew (myself included) acknowledge when straight up common sense is presented by anyone. In this regard, at least, you liberal types are completely out of your minds...I think you all now damn well you're wrong. I think you're just getting a kick out of poking Oldno and Ice with a stick. I think I'll enjoy a liberal steak sandwich if and when the duke hits the fan, because you weaklings are going to be the first ones served up.

That's it...rant over. Buy a gun to defend yourself, if you're smart. Support gun rights, if you're smarter.

[Scott Card]

I am not about to search to see if this has been posted but I received this via email.....

[Scott Card]

"Call 911" is what they say to do. Yeah...well, when you do that, who shows up? That's right...MEN WITH GUNS. They also arrive in some cases to draw a chalk line around the body..

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

[oldno7]

Heres a little support to my intellectually bankrupt thought.

[Iceaxe]

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

It took the police over 20 minutes to respond to Sandy Hooks after the first 911 call was received.

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

[Byron]

Heres a little support to my intellectually bankrupt thought.

My God...what a NIMROD!!! And this guy is one of the most powerful people on the planet. Like I've said many times before, elections matter...they really do...we could have been rid of this fool. What a tragedy.

[accadacca]

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Welcome to the conversation! You are way behind and would be proud to read the pages on this one. We've really stayed on track and its been a great conversation.

[oldno7]

So I summed up joes "points":

Buy Shotgun shells, they kill better
Assault weapons count for a small percentage of gun crimes in America
More people are killed with glocks than assault weapons, they have 2,10,8,12,15,30, shells in it
less concerned with assault weapons than magazine size
150 rds fired in Newtown, with 10 shell(per mag?) they would have had to swap out 30 times;or-um swap out 25 times( 150 divided by 10 equals??ah, never mind)
no sporting need for 50 rounds
FBI says it takes 1 3/4 sec to switch out a mag, so in Newtown, if the guy had 10 rd mags, it would have taken 2-3 minutes longer.

So--reality--4-mag changes=7 seconds
Joe--if 10 rds per mag(which would be 15 mags)a difference of 11 changes=2-3 minutes( I get 193/4 sec) With 11 @ 13/4=26.25 seconds.
Of course joe points out that is a pro. So if we go wild here and say 5 seconds @ 11changes, this would cut 55 seconds out of the equation.
Very Good Points, brought up by the VICE PRESIDENT of the United States, who happens to have chaired a panel on gun control.

Intellectually Bankrupt!

[Sombeech]

Heres a little support to my intellectually bankrupt thought.

If you do not have a good answer to a direct question:

1. Talk a lot
2. Don't let the questioner point out you are not in any way close to answering the question
3. Keep talking
4. Talk until the time runs out

[Sombeech]

[oldno7]

If you do not have a good answer to a direct question:

1. Talk a lot
2. Don't let the questioner point out you are not in any way close to answering the question
3. Keep talking
4. Talk until the time runs out

Beech, I found the response from the moderator

[Sombeech]

This simply cannot go without being reposted

[accadacca]