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Thread: How Do You Stein
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03-19-2012, 06:49 AM #1
How Do You Stein
Or more commonly called "Stone" hitch/knot?
I see several differing methods shown online, I wouldn't say one is particularly better, but here is my version, It is based off the figure of 8 design and I believe puts less tension on whatever device you secure with, be it drafting ruler or carabiner, thus making the release of the securing device somewhat easier than those who base the stone hitch off a overhand rather than a figure of 8.
Please note the use of a 1/4" mallion rapide in the system........
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03-19-2012 06:49 AM # ADS
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03-19-2012, 07:16 AM #2
OK! So what's the intent, "purpose" for using this hitch?
I'm supposing it's to isolate each individual strand?
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03-19-2012, 07:34 AM #3
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03-19-2012, 08:18 AM #4
Looks good. That would be an Upward-Figure-8 Stone. I've been using an Upward-Overhand-Stone myself. The bending force on the drafting ruler is the same or very close, Fig 8 or Overhand.
Tom
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03-19-2012, 08:32 AM #5
I could never dispute the force on the ruler, I have no way of testing.
The key I would guess, is getting started "UPWARD", the 8 version has one more twist vs. the overhand.
I've witnessed a few attempts that didn't take that into consideration.(upward)
So I thought to post a refresher.
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03-19-2012, 08:44 AM #6
I believe this would be Tom's variation.
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03-19-2012, 09:10 AM #7
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03-19-2012, 09:32 AM #8
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03-19-2012, 03:23 PM #9
This is also used to tie off slack in climbing...
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03-19-2012, 04:12 PM #10How Do You Stein
***slowly backs toward door and exits quietly**
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03-19-2012, 04:47 PM #11
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03-20-2012, 01:30 PM #12
I gotts me a Totum! I haven't used this knot since.
I have used it in the past to isolate strands for efficiently sending groups down rappels.Life is Good
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04-29-2012, 09:55 AM #13
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04-29-2012, 12:40 PM #14
figure 8 & upwards like the first set of pictures
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05-10-2012, 04:17 PM #15
I posted up on my new new tech tips blog...
http://www.canyoneeringcentral.com/t...ll-that-stuff/
Tom
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05-10-2012, 09:29 PM #16
Hi Tom, just checked out the tech tip. I'm curious, you stated
"better off outdoors
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05-11-2012, 07:37 AM #17
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05-11-2012, 07:57 AM #18
While there might be an easier way, I would use a 2:1 or 4:1 mechanical advantage to get the load off the stein knot. After that you can rig up your favorite lowering system, figure 8, munter, etc. and lower away! This will work best if you are using the stein knot to isolate 2 strands and have the other side of the rope available for lowering. If using the stein for fiddlesticking, you would need a second rope and would also need to deal with a knot in the system.
FWIW, using the totem in Jester mode isolates both strands and is a contigency anchor that converts to a lowering system without using mechanical advantage.
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05-11-2012, 09:39 AM #19
Ugh, I have tried and tried those knots but they always cinch up like a bitch and it takes me longer to get them out than anything. I tend to canyoneer with my 230lb 6'4" buddies a lot. So instead of spending 4 minutes trying to get that bad boy off at the end, I just do something like this. Gay I know, but the removal part at the end is simple plus I like using quick draws to attach directly to the each anchor (when 2 are present) and bypassing the webbing. There should be a 2nd quick draw but everything is packed up for tomorrows trip, and I don't feel like rummaging around to get another one. Hehe.
Your safety is not my responsibility.
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05-11-2012, 09:43 AM #20
Are you back in High School, DC?
Using "gay" as an epithet is mildly offensive when high school kiddies do it, but it is part of the culture, so waddayagonnado?
But among adults? Are you an adult, DeathCricket?
Tom