Retrievable anchor idea

[Rob L]

Do'h...should have thunk it through more proper!

[moab mark]

Mark introduced me to his system in a Canyon, and I thought "Simple and Brilliant!"
BUT it does have ONE MAJOR FLAW! How you gonna sell these to all those yuppie canyoneers? Even the rocket surgeons here at BOGLEY are gonna figure it out eventually. "Why those look a lot like washers"

But then I stumbled across this in the latest issue of Canyoneering.....
RR

I'm liking this idea.

[Iceaxe]

But then I stumbled across this in the latest issue of Canyoneering.....

And it's only $29.95!

[Iceaxe]

And for those playing with retrieveable anchors, here is anther thread with some interesting ideas/information.

Retrievable Rappel Anchors
http://www.bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10117

[oldno7]

But then I stumbled across this in the latest issue of Canyoneering.....

And it's only $29.95!

Way overpriced-----

It should be $19.95 and if you call in the next 10 minutes, we'll throw in another one free, just pay additional shipping.

[Iceaxe]

A friend brought one of these along last weekend.... we discovered that if you bought a right-hand model you can turn it up-side-down and use it on left-hand rappels.

[ScoutColorado]

A friend brought one of these along last weekend.... we discovered that if you bought a right-hand model you can turn it up-side-down and use it on left-hand rappels.

Well, that would work in the southern hemisphere, but that is a VERY DANGEROUS thing to do up here. The manufacturer recommends carrying both a left and right hand version for different rappels, and don't get them mixed up!

Maybe OldNo7 is right - They should sell these for $19.95, order a right version and get a free left!

[Cirrus2000]

Maybe OldNo7 is right - They should sell these for $19.95, order a right version and get a free left!

Free - just an additional shipping & handling fee for the left version, only $8.95.

[oldno7]

A friend brought one of these along last weekend.... we discovered that if you bought a right-hand model you can turn it up-side-down and use it on left-hand rappels.

I bought a couple of these, both sides say--"this side up" !!!
I'm thinking Mark had these mass produced in China and this is a serious safety issue. I've contacted my attorney, we're awaiting a recall from MM Industries.
I've always wanted to own a Chevron station or 2.

[ScoutColorado]

A friend brought one of these along last weekend.... we discovered that if you bought a right-hand model you can turn it up-side-down and use it on left-hand rappels.

I bought a couple of these, both sides say--"this side up" !!!
I'm thinking Mark had these mass produced in China and this is a serious safety issue. I've contacted my attorney, we're awaiting a recall from MM Industries.
I've always wanted to own a Chevron station or 2.

Wow, I think you might be right.....
I enlarged the ad.....

[xxnitsuaxx]

We tried this setup this weekend in Zion. We ended up backing down from Spry and rappelling down the slickrock approach so we could try this without risk of losing our rope. This is based on the first diagram that Shane put up. I have to admit, I don't get the advantage of his second diagram (washer in between the biner and rapide, knot at the bottom) over his first (washer at the very end). As long as the biner is big enough (we used a big pear-shaped) it shouldn't be a problem, right? Also, is the washer necessary? We just used a stopper knot at the end of the rope and it worked fine. Any criticism (constructive or just downright bitchy) is appreciated.

[ratagonia]

We tried this setup this weekend in Zion. We ended up backing down from Spry and rappelling down the slickrock approach so we could try this without risk of losing our rope. This is based on the first diagram that Shane put up. I have to admit, I don't get the advantage of his second diagram (washer in between the biner and rapide, knot at the bottom) over his first (washer at the very end). As long as the biner is big enough (we used a big pear-shaped) it shouldn't be a problem, right? Also, is the washer necessary? We just used a stopper knot at the end of the rope and it worked fine. Any criticism (constructive or just downright bitchy) is appreciated.

One problem on this kinda thing - gotta have a situation where the carabiner can pull out around the back of the tree or rock cleanly. One of the advantages of the Omnisling is that the part needed to pull around the back is very clean.

Tom

[moab mark]

One problem on this kinda thing - gotta have a situation where the carabiner can pull out around the back of the tree or rock cleanly. One of the advantages of the Omnisling is that the part needed to pull around the back is very clean.

Tom

When I first started using the washer retrievable we were placing the washer between the rapide and the carabiner because an overhand knot was very close to pulling thru some of the bigger rapides. We were trying to use the smallest knot possible to keep it from catching on the biner. I have quit using the washer and am just using an over hand.

As far as what Tom stated he is correct make sure the pull is clean. But one positive over an omnisling is the webbing cannot accidently pre release. I am by no means an expert on the omnisling but I did used mine several times and it seems to work fine but IMO it's not worth hauling the omnisling for the chance you might use it. If I can't use the washer trick just leave some webbing behind. I was also very disappointed that nobody put in any orders for the gold plated washers.

YMMV
Mark

[ratagonia]

When I first started using the washer retrievable we were placing the washer between the rapide and the carabiner because an overhand knot was very close to pulling thru some of the bigger rapides. We were trying to use the smallest knot possible to keep it from catching on the biner. I have quit using the washer and am just using an over hand.

As far as what Tom stated he is correct make sure the pull is clean. But one positive over an omnisling is the webbing cannot accidently pre release. I am by no means an expert on the omnisling but I did used mine several times and it seems to work fine but IMO it's not worth hauling the omnisling for the chance you might use it. If I can't use the washer trick just leave some webbing behind. I was also very disappointed that nobody put in any orders for the gold plated washers.

YMMV
Mark

No DOD interest?????

Tom

[moab mark]

The amount of jet fuel used lately at Hill Field stunt flying could set me up for life. Man there have been a lot of flights going vertical there lately.

[ratagonia]

The amount of jet fuel used lately at Hill Field stunt flying could set me up for life. Man there have been a lot of flights going vertical there lately.

You got that contract??? Boat trip?????

Tom

[ratagonia]

bump - just for fun...

[moab mark]

Used it the other day in lomatium. Since there was no market for the washer I quit using it and just use an overhand knot now. The crowd I was with were all noobs and they were flabbergasted that the rope and webbing all came down and I didn't go splat when I rappeled down.

Edit you do have to be careful when going double strand at the end that the strands are not crossed where they come over the edge. The knot can make it difficult to pull up over the edge if the other strand is on top of it.

[spinesnaper]

Mark introduced me to his system in a Canyon, and I thought "Simple and Brilliant!"
BUT it does have ONE MAJOR FLAW! How you gonna sell these to all those yuppie canyoneers? Even the rocket surgeons here at BOGLEY are gonna figure it out eventually. "Why those look a lot like washers"

But then I stumbled across this in the latest issue of Canyoneering.....
RR

I resemble this remark. Besides, I am going to hold out for the $89.95, CE approved, UIAA certified, titanium version from Petzl that is compatible with my $15 aluminum Maillons Rapides from France.

Ken

[Mountaineer]

Bump...Washer trick. Great method when the pull is clean.