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[restrac2000]

He also dismissed the only questions and ideas about the future direction of the ACA. The thread is turning into a reflection of Rich's ego which is the worst possible outcome. The forum has served as a supplement to his ego for years. If he is successful, and his has been in the past, than the he will create a rally of enough folks to make him stay. That would be a bad outcome.

The direction of the future ACA appears to be filtered through Rich's bias. That is already manifesting itself on the thread designed to poll the next possible leader. Anyone outside his circle of influence is gonna have to be real savvy to avoid being ousted by his incessant filtering.

[CarpeyBiggs]

ah, perfect. when i looked at it the first time, it was there, not there the second. here's the updated link - http://www.canyoneering.net/forums/s...4872-Piss-Ants

is this just another of rich's attempts to look for sympathy? it's like deja vu every six months at the ACA. he threatens to quit, a few people express their undying love and affection for him, and he stays on again... only to repeat the process yet again.

i think the statement i made early on in this thread has turned out to be rather prophetic... "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"

[rcwild]

thanks yet again for giving us a lovely glimpse into the delusional world of rich carlson! stay classy!

it's a shame you didn't leave it up long enough for everyone to get a look at the side of rich carlson we've all come to love over the years.

Still there. Just moved it to its own "Piss Ant" thread -- http://www.canyoneering.net/forums/s...4872-Piss-Ants

[backofbeyond]

ah,

i think the statement i made early on in this thread has turned out to be rather prophetic... "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"

So a Carpey repeats his folly?

[restrac2000]

So, Rich, how are specific business question "irrelevant and moot"? If you are actually handing over control and letting a vote decide than why have you already minimized the responses of the only two people who have engaged the directives of the thread?

Love the "professional student" idea.....hehe. Another shallow jab. In case you were curious, didn't go to college from fall 2009 to Summer 2011 because of medical bills associated with my rare disease known as Ischemic Optic Neuropathy. Spent that time getting back to work and paying off medical bills. Just returned this summer to finnish my degree (finally!). Graduating with one extra semester under my belt because I had to withdraw mid semester in 2009 when I lost the majority of my peripheral vision.

As far as a fellow student believing I am a piss ant....who cares. I am learning and actually reading the assigned material.

Best of luck, Rich. I have no doubt that you will actually do better with "Canyons and Crags". Its a shame you never chose to engage my ideas and instead just insulted me; didn't need to go down that way. The entire series of threads started when you failed to accept a compliment. Actually happened twice now, when I was trying to defend the potential of the ACGA.

Phillip

[restrac2000]

Just for those who are curious....Back of Beyond is James Milligan, Rich's intern. He is also the other student who Rich claims believes I am a piss ant from his shared time in a course at SUU.

Phillip

[mdd]

This "PissAnt" has been officially banned from the ACA forum for asking relevant questions that have been deemed "ignorant and moot". For those wishing either to see success with the ACA or possibly take it over I would suggest using the ACA forum to ask the important, pertinent business questions that make or break its future direction.

Phillip, just let it go. I think the ACA is beyond repair now

[backofbeyond]

Just for those who are curious....Back of Beyond is James Milligan, Rich's intern. He is also the other student who Rich claims believes I am a piss ant from his shared time in a course at SUU.

Phillip

You solved another mystery! Good boy Happy Feet. I'm pretty sure who I am is old news, To clarify the words Piss Ant in association with Phillip have never crossed my lips. Another case of you having the wrong fact, I will go out on a ledge and assume you are referring to me as the fellow student who is not learning or reading the assigned material. This is another assumption on your behalf.

[Scott Card]

Let me end where I began.... The costumes have come off and yes, this is officially, in my humble opinion, a Rich bashing thread. Pathetic really. Very little to do with the ACA really and virtually nothing to do with the ACGA in this thread.

For the record, I still see great value in the ACA. The product is still very very good. I personally think the name and the trained ACA certified guides still carry a bunch of clout. I may be wrong but just my opinion.

And wow, I am not sure I have ever seen anyone so consumed with so much nastiness towards another human being (OK I have but not over something that is fun like canyoneering. Not like a divorce here people). Getting miffed or your feelings hurt is one thing but holy cow..... let it go.

[tanya]

Thank you Rich for all your years of hard work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All this drama must be hard to deal with. I wish you the best of luck in whatever it is that you decided to do.

[restrac2000]

Sorry if my previous comments leant to the idea that others were not reading or learning, that was unintentional wording (i.e. I was saying I don't care how others view me as I am getting what I need out of the class). I did assume it was you Rich was referring to......the problem with him being so ambiguous is I have to guess. Seems to fair to guess on my part when a character assasination is going on at canyoneering.net. So it goes, I was wrong. Guess there are more Rich allies there than I knew.

Phillip

[CarpeyBiggs]

So a Carpey repeats his folly?

absolutely. it's a reflection of the whole "community." i know you are new to the scene, and probably don't quite understand all the politicking or backstories, but this has been happening ever since i can remember (2007 is when i came into the scene, so i'm still not as jaded as the folks who've been around it for a decade...) but, it's always the same. people try to pay rich a compliment, he spins it into something full of drama, people try to engage him to discuss the situation, he throws a fit and goes ape shit, never answers any questions, alienates a whole bunch more people, threatens to quit, and then a handful of people jump in and tell him he is god, he suddenly gets another shot of confidence, reaffirms his commitment to the ACA, only for the whole shitshow to repeat yet again in 6 months...

so yes, safe to say i've contributed to that cycle. i just hope this is the last dying gasps before it all just dies, and the ACA disappears for good.

[JONBOYLEMON]

I just lost the desire to ever try a canyon.....

[restrac2000]

Let me end where I began.... The costumes have come off and yes, this is officially, in my humble opinion, a Rich bashing thread. Pathetic really. Very little to do with the ACA really and virtually nothing to do with the ACGA in this thread.

For the record, I still see great value in the ACA. The product is still very very good. I personally think the name and the trained ACA certified guides still carry a bunch of clout. I may be wrong but just my opinion.

Come on, Scott. Yep, the President of the ACA has the interpersonal an professional skills of a child. He has gotten bashed, so it goes. Rich is a political figure with power in the field......his name and ideas will be attacked. But I think when look back over the vast majority of the threads you will those who may be "bashing" him started with good intent and constructive language. But there is only so long before you occasionally slip into the language Rich himself uses so regularly.

I have actually tried to engage Rich and have admitted mistakes when I have made them (just did in this thread). Rich has never shown such effort (other than the very vague "I failed, nuff said).

Phillip

Phillip

[restrac2000]

[QUOTE=mdd;474462]Phillip, just let it go. I think the ACA is beyond repair now

[restrac2000]

Let me end where I began.... The costumes have come off and yes, this is officially, in my humble opinion, a Rich bashing thread. Pathetic really. Very little to do with the ACA really and virtually nothing to do with the ACGA in this thread.

For the record, I still see great value in the ACA. The product is still very very good. I personally think the name and the trained ACA certified guides still carry a bunch of clout. I may be wrong but just my opinion.

And wow, I am not sure I have ever seen anyone so consumed with so much nastiness towards another human being (OK I have but not over something that is fun like canyoneering. Not like a divorce here people). Getting miffed or your feelings hurt is one thing but holy cow..... let it go.

Its not really malice ....

But there is at least one other person out there filled with such nastiness.....

He constantly used words like "piss ant", "BS" "crap" "a*s*o*e", etc on a regular basis. He does't discredit the behavior of the person (which is what I try to do, I may be imperfect) but just simply attacks them.

Look hard at the person you defend, Scott. The bashing his almost always started with him. Shane, Tom, ATS, and now me to just name a few.

Phillip

[backofbeyond]

Sorry if my previous comments leant to the idea that others were not reading or learning, that was unintentional wording (i.e. I was saying I don't care how others view me as I am getting what I need out of the class). I did assume it was you Rich was referring to......the problem with him being so ambiguous is I have to guess. Seems to fair to guess on my part when a character assasination is going on at canyoneering.net. So it goes, I was wrong. Guess there are more Rich allies there than I knew.

Phillip

Thanks for clarifying your intent Philip. For the record I did refer to you as "some asshole" just a few minutes ago when my wife was wondering why the sudden attack against me. I will withdraw that negative connotation as I now see we both perceived your intent inaccurately.

[restrac2000]

Thanks for clarifying your intent Philip. For the record I did refer to you as "some asshole" just a few minutes ago when my wife was wondering why the sudden attack against me. I will withdraw that negative connotation as I now see we both perceived your intent inaccurately.

Sorry to add any tension. I decided to join that class right when Judy joined the yahoo group and made some passive comments about me. We solved our differences via email afterwards to maintain some decorum in the classroom. I made the mistake of assuming it was you out of guilt by association, which always dangerous and poor logic. Sorry again. I try to keep my defensive walls low but often fail.

Phillip

[backofbeyond]

Sorry to add any tension. I made the mistake of assuming it was you out of guilt by association, which always dangerous and poor logic.
Phillip

No problem, I am used to the "guilt by association" bag I drag around here on Bogely.
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[restrac2000]

Thats a shame. I know the ACA has some smart and hard working folks in it and try to refrain from making accusations about everyone involved in it. Heck, one of my favorite mentors has maintained a working relationship with Rich for 15 years.

Hope you get what you need out of the internship. Hope there is some framework in place to help you through November 1.

Phillip