Status of Oak Creek Access

[nelsonccc]

So looking at this.... the route I have posted only crosses LDS Chruch property and is not even close to Bird's property....

Is the kolob pines subdivision gated off or can you drive right to the lds property?

you can drive right to the gate, but the problem is that you're in the Kolob Pines subdivision which would be considered private. The trick is to just take the time to hike there and park farther away in a spot that does not immediately give you away as a canyoneer. If a low key approach is practiced nobody will know you're in there!

[moab mark]

Does anyone know what lds stake owns this camp? I think our high adveture boys need an adventure.

Mark

[trackrunner]

Does anyone know what lds stake owns this camp? I think our high adveture boys need an adventure.

Mark

I once heard it was out of vegas

[nelsonccc]

Does anyone know what lds stake owns this camp? I think our high adveture boys need an adventure.

Mark

I once heard it was out of vegas

Its definately out of vegas. I'm not sure what stake but I know its one of the henderson stakes.

[Stick]

Last I heard Camp Kolob is owned by the Logandale stake. It is in the Las Vegas area.

[moab mark]

So does ZACS go across theLDS property or a different way? Climb Utah states cutting through the Church property. If cutting through camp kolob are you trespassing on the Bird property? By looking at the map MIA is not exiting on Camp Kolob? Is the MIA on private or public property?

Mark

[ratagonia]

So does ZACS go across theLDS property or a different way? Climb Utah states cutting through the Church property. If cutting through camp kolob are you trespassing on the Bird property? By looking at the map MIA is not exiting on Camp Kolob? Is the MIA on private or public property?

Mark

ZAC uses Mr. Bird's property for ingress and egress.

Cutting through Camp Kolob is trespassing, and their property is posted.

The MIA exit is a long way away, through property owned by another Stake, which grants the public a hiking access as long as they stay away from camp in session, which works easily because the camp is further down the peninsula where people are not interested in going.

Tom

[moab mark]

I realize the church prop is posted but if you go in that way are you staying off of birds property? A phone call from one Stake Pres to another can probably get a young mens group permission to cross their camp.
Mark

[Kuya]

I realize the church prop is posted but if you go in that way are you staying off of birds property? A phone call from one Stake Pres to another can probably get a young mens group permission to cross their camp.
Mark

Has anyone tried doing this?

[moab mark]

Not I, I quit Canyoneering with the Scouts, to much headache and liability.Just go as a group of a couple of Dads and their Boys now.

[moab mark]

Does ZAC's still have access?

[ratagonia]

Does ZAC's still have access?

Zion Adventure Company (ie, ZAC) has access to the Oak Creek canyons via an agreement with the Bird family.

I'm not sure when the renewal date is.

But that other company... ZAC's, must be the ones thats doess guidings nears Zions Nationals Parks, and I ams unfamiliars withs theirs agreementss.

Tom

[2065toyota]

Zax has pretty good pizza though

[moab mark]

Zion Adventure Company (ie, ZAC) has access to the Oak Creek canyons via an agreement with the Bird family.

I'm not sure when the renewal date is.

But that other company... ZAC's, must be the ones thats doess guidings nears Zions Nationals Parks, and I ams unfamiliars withs theirs agreementss.
Tom

[moab mark]

What is the cost to have my hand held thru Oak Creek?

[ratagonia]

What is the cost to have my hand held thru Oak Creek?

C'mon Mark, you've done a ZAC trip haven't you? We don't hold your hand, we empower you to hold your own hand, and make sure you are holding it at all times.

This trip we call an Extreme Adventure Day.

http://www.zionadventures.com/zion-p...yoneering-day/

Tom

[Kuya]

What is the cost to have my hand held thru Oak Creek?

looks like it is:

One on One		$695.00
Two or More		$395.00 per person
Group Discount		Not Available

gah... so much $$ to have some one go with you when you know you can do it yourself. I guess some things in life just don't work out the way you wan't them.

[ratagonia]

looks like it is:

One on One		$695.00
Two or More		$395.00 per person
Group Discount		Not Available

gah... so much $$ to have some one go with you when you know you can do it yourself. I guess some things in life just don't work out the way you wan't them.

The trip is, of course, oriented toward people who cannot do it on their own.

And, just to be clear, you cannot just go do it on your own, legally, since the canyon and access are on private land.

Tom

[Kuya]

The trip is, of course, oriented toward people who cannot do it on their own.

And, just to be clear, you cannot just go do it on your own, legally, since the canyon and access are on private land.

Tom

yeah that is the problem I guess. In order to experience this section of canyon now, an experienced canyoneer now has to pay a guide $400+ to go.

Looks like I will need to call up the property manager and reserve the church camp ground for my family. hehehe

[Iceaxe]

And, just to be clear, you cannot just go do it on your own, legally, since the canyon and access are on private land.

Tom, do you have a copy of the map showing land ownersship? I know I've seen one floating around.