Coronavirus

**oldno7** · 03-30-2020, 03:31 PM

So the US waiting to develop our own tests that have a high accuracy percentage as opposed to using WHO tests that likely were sourced in china was our only real, logical move.

getting foreign kits that give false results would have moved us further behind the curve than taking the time to develop our own.

The cry for expediency up front by healthcare providers was reasonable considering what was before them.

Now that we are 3 weeks down the road and have multiple styles of kits coming on, our accuracy and latency problems should drastically be reduced.

Since this is Chere's wheel house, I'll refer to her to let me know if my assessment is faulty.

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**blueeyes** · 03-30-2020, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sombeech

It's ok, we've got the "Public Shaming" on social media for fear of COVID-19 spreading to take place once Facebook comes back online

It could be only in the bigger places where the National Guard has been deployed to keep the peace. And yes, the National Guard HAS been deployed to the big cities.

I think you need to go ride your bike and clear your head. Cabin fever maybe....

**oldno7** · 03-30-2020, 03:38 PM

I'd also venture that PPE will be available to all and any who require it soon.

Anyone who can have a bitch about the private sector stepping in and producing medical gear, clothing, equipment at record volume, isn't paying attention.

This is a HUGE feather in the cap of Capitalism.

A socialist(bernie) response in this very instance would be dire.

**blueeyes** · 03-30-2020, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by oldno7

So the US waiting to develop our own tests that have a high accuracy percentage as opposed to using WHO tests that likely were sourced in china was our only real, logical move.

getting foreign kits that give false results would have moved us further behind the curve than taking the time to develop our own.

The cry for expediency up front by healthcare providers was reasonable considering what was before them.

Now that we are 3 weeks down the road and have multiple styles of kits coming on, our accuracy and latency problems should drastically be reduced.

Since this is Chere's wheel house, I'll refer to her to let me know if my assessment is faulty.

Yes and No

First not all foreign kits would be faulty. But again any test you bring on in a lab should be validated to prove it works like it says it does.

What happened in the US is that typically a new disease like this would be sent for testing to a State Lab not your hospital lab and in the beginning not a reference lab. Which in a fast moving pandemic is not enough to contain the disease as we have witnessed with how quickly it spread in the US.

The CDC received the primer sequence from China and sent out kits as soon as they could to the State Labs, but there was an issue with one of the reagents in the test kit sent by our own CDC. This really hampered testing. I don't know what reagent it is, just what I have read. But having worked with PCR... good grief there is a lot that can go wrong. So having a CDC test that fails is no better than one that can only catch a positive result 35% of the time.

We use tests manufactured from all over the world. So not using one from China is not really a logical move as long as you can prove it is a good test through validation and verification. But how do you do this with an emerging disease? You have to have known positives. The CDC not choosing to use an already developed test isn't really a bad point or a good point in my opinion. I think it is one area that needs to be looked at for future outbreaks.

Anyway the CDC chose to develop their own. They also discouraged labs from developing their own in house test which some place are more than capable of doing once they have the correct primer sequence. But there is still a bunch of hoops you have to jump through to use an in house developed test. So in my opinion the CDC failed pretty hard on this point as well. And again should be looked at for future outbreaks.

With our current system any new test has to be FDA approved, follow CLIA guidelines and yadda yadda yadda... that can take at best months to get but more like over a year. Granting several companies Emergency Use Authorization was exactly what they needed to do. CDC scores a point here. But it is good we have all these guidelines in place because if we didn't we wouldn't have reliable testing.

As soon as each lab can validate and verify these new test, they will bust their butts to get as much testing done as they can. We just have to be able to keep the tests kits in house and then we can start to catch up.

**blueeyes** · 03-30-2020, 04:18 PM

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/03/...in-is-cutting/

I know from several friends around the country that hospitals visits have come to a grinding hault! Hours are getting cut and it looks like pay now.

**oldno7** · 03-30-2020, 06:31 PM

**Sombeech** · 03-30-2020, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by blueeyes

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/03/...in-is-cutting/

I know from several friends around the country that hospitals visits have come to a grinding hault! Hours are getting cut and it looks like pay now.

Yes including my wife, down to one day this week, next week questionable.

**blueeyes** · 03-30-2020, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sombeech

Yes including my wife, down to one day this week, next week questionable.

The sad thing is this article only talks about the doctors and nurses.. but it is effecting anyone that works at the hospital. They might not get a pay cut but they do get their hours cut.

All of them keep wondering is this the calm before the storm?

Do you brace for crazy influx or will this all simmer out.

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**Sombeech** · 03-30-2020, 10:27 PM

It's happening

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**BasinCruiser** · 03-31-2020, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by rockgremlin

Da Fuq?

If all forms of mass media went down for 2-3 days straight you would see looting and rioting in the streets. Seriously. It would be mass chaos. Criminals would know that they have a brief window of opportunity, and would act accordingly.

Are you sure you're not mistaking these theories with the plot of The Purge?

Is this outage going to include credit card charges? Will I be able to buy anything at the store with my CC, or will they go cash only during the blackout? I can't remember the last time i actually made a cash in hand transaction. I hardly carry any cash around, with CC machines being so ubiquitous - even CC readers that connect to mobile phones.

In slightly stressing over what things I may need as society continues to spiral downhill at an alarming rate, the thought of lack of cash came to my mind a couple of weeks ago, and I asked my wife if we shouldn't go to the bank and take out a good wad of cash in small bills for emergencies. I think this may have been right after the Magna earthquake. Glad to know that my inspiration insight may at least have some good conspiracy theory logic backing it up.

**oldno7** · 03-31-2020, 05:33 AM

Covid-19 projections(charts)

You can use the entire USA or each individual state

Projects 582 deaths by Aug.

22 days to our peak, buckle up..

New york--9 days to peak

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

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Are illegal aliens allowed to leave sanctuary cities now or do they have to wait until after they vote in Nov.?

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