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    Venezuela is a poster child of gun control gone wrong

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/clif...ol-gone-wrong#

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    I'm sure the cops would have arrived in 20 or 30 minutes....

    Woman shoots and kills intruder.

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/...6-9779e34e1926

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    This store clerk was fired for defending himself and employer.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=koZGZ_1558724871

    Would-be robber shows hatchet, clerk pulls out gun

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    ^^^THIS IS HILARIOUS
    Epstein did not kill himself...



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    The wrong kind of armed citizen

    Foreplay - either I’m missing something or doing something wrong, or this guy is. Who involves a loaded weapon when getting jiggy with it?

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    https://www.kxxv.com/news/national/f...y-deputies-say

    Makes one really have to question, was the victim really complicit in the foreplay, or was this an attempted rape that the victim didn’t comply with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Hahaha....
    Make that last word in that last sentence a variable and you have the epitome of the socialist mind, today. I can’t be responsible for my own......choices, education, priorities, self improvement, finances, housing, sustenance, healthcare, being a productive member of society.... Attributes that most people used to pride themselves on, they see as ‘oppression ‘.

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  12. #50
    When a liberal finally gives guns a try.

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    Talk about overkill. Who needs that many keys?

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  14. #52
    This is a tough one...I realize I don't know all the facts, but from what has been stated in the news, I don't think I would personally resort to using deadly force in this situation. What do y'all think?

    Deadly Provo shooting: Friends, family puzzle over man's final moments


    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...l-moments.html


    PROVO — Those who worshipped and drank coffee with Jeremy Sorensen had the same thought when they learned he was shot and killed by a passerby who had spotted him in a violent struggle with a woman.

    "This can't be our Jeremy. This isn't him," said Troy Walker, a pastor at Redeemer Church in Orem, where the 26-year-old Sorensen was a member.

    Walker and Steven McKinley, also a member of the congregation, remember their friend was social and upbeat, even if anxious at times. He had not had an easy start in life, they said.
    As police wrapped up their investigation Thursday, Sorensen's friends and family members said the authorities' account of the last moments of his life does not line up with the Jeremy they knew.

    About 8 p.m. Monday, Sorensen and an 18-year-old acquaintance were fighting in the driveway of an apartment complex, Provo police said, when a driver in his 20s got out of his car and told Sorensen to stop, warning he would shoot. The gunman shot Sorensen twice, including once in the chest, said Provo Sgt. Nisha King, and Sorensen died later at a hospital. She declined to release the name of the gunman, who she said has cooperated with investigators.

    The woman was treated for a concussion and hip injuries consistent with being repeatedly punched and kicked. Police withheld her name and have not said how she and Sorensen knew each other or what led to the violence.

    On Thursday, Sorensen's cousin, Mike Olson, said Sorensen sometimes struggled to process things due to a brain injury he sustained early in life.

    "He would not have acted out violently if he was not provoked," Olson said in an email. "I hope that through a thorough investigation the police will be able to figure out what led to this. Jeremy has been described by friends as childlike, which is very accurate. He wasn't an intimidating or imposing person, but rather gentle."

    Sorensen's church friends recalled him as a skeptic who loved to read and worked multiple jobs, both in construction and fast-food restaurants. He was adopted by a Utah County family after a time in foster care and sometimes visited his birth mother in Texas, they said, part of an effort to come to terms with his complex family life.


    McKinley often tried to get a rise out of Sorensen by making off-color jokes, but found his friend was unflappable.
    "I never saw him out of control," McKinley said.

    Walker, the pastor, noticed some of Sorensen's traits mirrored those of his own adoptive brother.

    "It helped me put who Jeremy was in context," Walker said. "It would help me see past some of that initial awkwardness or initial quietness, to see who he was at his core."
    Sorensen spent time with Walker and others in the congregation at coffee shops, their homes and at church, and would crack jokes and challenge others to think critically about their faith.

    Walker, who is from Texas, noted Provo is home to very few black residents. But he said he could not be sure if race had played a role in the shooting.
    "If race did play a role, I don't believe it was that the shooter disliked African-Americans. I believe it would have to do with fear of the unknown," he said.

    Sorensen's brother, Joseph Sorensen, said in a statement he suspects the woman from that fateful encounter is the same woman who he says had been harassing his brother for about a year.

    "We certainly wish the shooter would have pulled out a phone rather than a gun. We also wish Jeremy had called the police before ending up in a fight with this woman but we wonder if it would have turned out any better if he had — especially if it was the woman who has been harassing him," the statement reads.

    Sorensen's adoptive family raised him in Tooele along with eight siblings, and he attended then-Dixie State College for a time before working on an organic farm in Arizona, according to an online obituary. He loved fishing, "Lord of the Rings" and comic con, and leaves behind his own young son being raised by an adoptive family with whom he had a positive relationship. His funeral is scheduled for Friday morning.

    About the same time, Utah County Attorney David Leavitt will meet with Provo police to review their investigation. There is no deadline on a possible decision to file criminal charges against the gunman, Leavitt told the Deseret News, but his office will work at a "reasonable pace."

    "I want to see the whole picture," Leavitt said. His approach won't be "to look for hate crimes where they may not be there, but to be willing to be open to the possibility, if you see evidence of that. This is a fair and balanced analysis."

    Leavitt said it's his job to protect civil order and guard against vigilante justice, but also to recognize that people have a right and maybe an obligation to help victims of crimes.

    One main question, he said, is Sorensen's mental state.

    "What was he doing with this victim? Was he trying to kill her? That has to be a relevant question to answer the question of whether there was justification to shoot," Leavitt said.

    Utah's self-defense law stipulates that people are justified in using deadly force if they reasonably believe it is needed to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others. Such violence is justified when the threat stems from imminent, unlawful force, or if it's needed to prevent a forcible felony, Utah code states.
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  15. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by BasinCruiser View Post
    Make that last word in that last sentence a variable and you have the epitome of the socialist mind, today. I can’t be responsible for my own......choices, education, priorities, self improvement, finances, housing, sustenance, healthcare, being a productive member of society.... Attributes that most people used to pride themselves on, they see as ‘oppression ‘.

    Just wondering what your stance is on things like death with dignity, drug legalization, Utah alcohol rules, gay marriage etc?
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  16. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandstone Addiction View Post
    This is a tough one...I realize I don't know all the facts, but from what has been stated in the news, I don't think I would personally resort to using deadly force in this situation. What do y'all think?
    Utah's self-defense law stipulates that people are justified in using deadly force if they reasonably believe it is needed to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others. Such violence is justified when the threat stems from imminent, unlawful force, or if it's needed to prevent a forcible felony, Utah code states.
    I guess it would depend on if I could stand by and watch a man (generally bigger and stronger) beat up a woman (generally smaller and weaker) while calling 911 and then get my camera going to record the action so that it can be determined that the man was indeed meaning to create serious injury to the woman.

    A passerby as I understand it, saw the struggle and decided to interrupt it. It was reported that he shouted to the man to stop and that he refused to obey.His choice became to engage in a physical hands on approach or a more distanced approach. He chose the later.

    I don't think anyone has the real story because on the surface he was completely justified in his action.

    It's too bad he will put through the ringer and spend a lot of money to defend himself. If that is a hassle you don't want to go through perhaps you should rethink your reason to carry. Is it only ok to use deadly force if it is your immediate family?

  17. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    Just wondering what your stance is on things like death with dignity, drug legalization, Utah alcohol rules, gay marriage etc?
    I know you didn't ask me personally, but I'll insert my stance anyway. I'm pretty liberal on all these points: Pro euthanasia, pro MJ legalization, I advocate for gay rights, and think utah's liquor laws stink.

    But to balance that out I am a strong advocate of constitutional carry gun laws, and believe in tighter immigration policies.

    I think that makes me a Republicrat.

    What about yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    I know you didn't ask me personally, but I'll insert my stance anyway. I'm pretty liberal on all these points: Pro euthanasia, pro MJ legalization, I advocate for gay rights, and think utah's liquor laws stink.

    But to balance that out I am a strong advocate of constitutional carry gun laws, and believe in tighter immigration policies.

    I think that makes me a Republicrat.

    What about yourself?
    Sounds good, man. I'll throw down some big stuff too...

    Euthanasia? Oh yeah...I've got a spot all picked out to huck myself off when it's time to check out. As long as I can get there...1200ft, the crows and critters have have the juicy bits. My bones will be crushed to dust and washed down the Colorado River Basin. However, If I can get a shot that let's me die in my sleep, that is certainly an alternative.

    MJ?...mixed bag on that. I kinda recuse myself.

    Gay stuff? Let 'em get married if they want...who the hell cares otherwise? I also don't care one bit about who someone is boinking...so if they're going to scream about "discrimination"...then screw them. My ears turn off...I may even work against them if I get annoyed enough.

    Guns? Oh yeah.

    Shoulda thew abortion in there too, Mr. Fly.
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  20. #57
    In regards to Mr. Sorensen...I would have kicked his ass if that appeared to be a certain win. Otherwise, if he didn't stop, I shoot him in the ass. I wouldn't shoot to kill unless he was coming at me. Also, I don't think it would have been wise to just "film" this girl getting beat up or wait for the cops...he could smash her skull.
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  22. #58
    Ice's words of wisdom.....

    Don't start a fight you can't win...

    Or

    Don't bring a knife to a gunfight...

    YMMV

  23. #59
    That's quite the unfortunate story, so many alternative routes could have been taken.

    Without knowing the story behind the struggle, why go for the kill? If you MUST shoot your gun, how about a warning shot, or at the very last straw, shoot the guy in the lower leg. But going for the kill?

    What if he had just found out the girl had stolen 10K from his grandmother, or molested his child, or had run over a pedestrian while driving and texting? Still no justification to beat a woman as described, but there had to be some motive for this "reasonable" man to lose it.

    The shooter could very well be charged with manslaughter if they find a certain backstory that would justify this "calm" man to get upset.

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    GRANDPA Of Teen Killed In Home Invasion Says AR-15 Gave Homeowner “Unfair Advantage”

    Last week, a 21-year-old Elizabeth Rodriguez allegedly waited in a vehicle outside, while three Oklahoma teenagers, 17-year old Jacob Redfearn, 19-year old Maxwell Cook and 16-year old Jake Woodruff, broke into a Wagoner County house. Investigators say the 21-year-old Rodriguez planned the home invasion. All three teens were shot and killed by the homeowner’s son.

    Now the grandfather of one of the teenagers is speaking out about his grandson’s death.

    https://100percentfedup.com/grandpa-...vantage-video/
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