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    WOW! after a little more digging this chick is a real piece of work..... it appears she has been trying to become the Moab Tourist Sheriff for at least the past 15 years.

    Moab couple, OHVs on collision course
    Dispute with San Juan heats up over ownership of road
    By Donna Kemp Spangler
    Deseret Morning News March 31, 2004.

    The 5,000 or so off-road vehicle enthusiasts expected to descend on Moab over the weekend are looking for rough roads. But they could run into some unexpected bumps.

    A popular trail known as Strike Ravine near the headwaters of Kane Springs Canyon is locked in a bitter dispute between San Juan County and a Moab couple who claim ownership of the road and want to keep the rumble of Jeeps off their land.

    Kiley Miller and John Rzeczycki have tried to keep the road that crosses their 160-acre parcel closed to off-highway vehicles (OHVs). But San Juan County says it can't stop OHV-ers from using the trail because it is a county road.

    The upcoming annual Easter Jeep Safari, now in its 38th year and expected to draw 5,000 Jeep enthusiasts and about 1,500 vehicles, has Miller frantic.

    "It's total anxiety," Miller said. "I'm definitely stressed out about it."

    The organizers, Red Rock 4-Wheelers, say it is clear they have a right to use the road, but they will steer clear — for now.

    "We will exclude or bypass that route," said Marty Avalos of Red Rock 4-Wheelers. "But that's not to say there won't be renegades."

    San Juan County Sheriff Mike Lacy said he won't keep OHV-ers off the trail.

    "We consider it a county road," he said. "We've been instructed to keep it open during that weekend."

    It's an age-old conflict over who owns rural roads. But in an unusual twist, this dispute centers on whether private landowners own the road across their land or whether it is a pre-existing right-of-way owned by the county.

    No actual legal deeds to the road exist to clear up the issue.

    "We have so many roads," noted San Juan County attorney Craig Halls. "The majority of our roads don't have deeded rights of way."

    There's a statutory process for closing a road, he added. It requires a public hearing before the San Juan County Commission, which determines whether closing it is in the best public interest.

    "We've required farmers and ranchers, who over the years, want to close their roads, and a few have been closed," Halls added. "People who purchase property may own the property, but the roads are subject to an easement, and they can't just close the road."

    Miller's attorney, Steve Russell, isn't so sure. "This is a little bit different," he said.

    It involves state lands, not federal lands, so counties can't claim road ownership under an old mining law — "RS 2477" — which guaranteed states and counties the use of highways across federal land, Miller added.

    At issue here is a state law that allows the counties rights of way across state lands provided they existed before Jan. 1, 1992.

    "It would be my position that in order to prove it's a public road would be whether it had continuous public use. The only people who use the road is the Red Rock 4-Wheelers," Russell said. "That does not constitute a continuous public use. . . . The Red Rock 4-Wheelers are not free to use it. They have permission on a limited basis (during the Jeep Safari)."

    An avid rock climber, Miller moved from California to Moab six years ago to enjoy the rugged cliffs. She and Rzeczycki fell in love with the area but couldn't afford the inflated land prices of Moab. They were excited to find a 160-acre parcel just 13 miles south of Moab for sale. It was part of an auction by the state School and Institutional Trust Land Administration (SITLA). They won the bid at a bargain price of $42,000.

    "We bought this big piece of rugged land with the intention of building a house on it," she said.

    Located on the property are two trails used by off-road enthusiasts, Lower Helldorado and Strike Ravine. The Lower Helldorado — which many people agree is merely a wash — is not part of the Easter Jeep Safari, organizers say. But the Strike Ravine has been part of the blow-out weekend since 1992.

    In the transaction, SITLA didn't indicate there were county-claimed roads on the property purchased by Miller and Rzeczycki because there were no legal recordings of the claims, nor did San Juan County make its intentions known.

    "It's a shame," conceded Rick Wilcox, a resource specialist with SITLA. "We've learned a lesson from this case that we make it part of the advertisement from now on."

    Miller and Rzeczycki now find themselves between a rock and hard spot in the road.

    "It's pretty huge doing this. There's a lot of people in this community who are going to hate me," Miller said. "It just seems like it's so inappropriate to have this total blatant use of OHVs (when) we're just trying to protect the area. This is a special place that we don't want to see it destroyed."

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    " Miller moved from California to Moab six years ago"


    That sums it up

    go back to your shithole...


    I was one of the original 5 who bought the now called, "area bfe"(sold my share)

    I'm quite certain these 2 adjoin that property.
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    She's like that mouse that's about to get creamed by the hawk...desperately throwing up the middle finger.

    Futile, my dear...good luck.
    "I am Spartacus!"

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    Anyone know the outcome of the road dispute? I am guessing it is still open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    I'll just put this right here...

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    She could be the sister of the lady that wanted to murder me in Millcreek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    She could be the sister of the lady that wanted to murder me in Millcreek.

    This is a story I'd like to hear. Do tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    This is a story I'd like to hear. Do tell.
    I told it in here at some point, but the gist of it was I thought it was an even day and rode my bike up Big Water on an odd day. I was violently accosted by an hysterical trekking pole wielding old woman. She jumped in front of me on the trail with her poles extended and screamed "STOOOOOOPPPPP!!!!", I though there must be a crime scene ahead or something. Nope, I was just illegally pedaling. The funny thing is that I did actually feel bad and it was an honest mistake. I ended up walking my bike down in a little shame. But she was having none of my apologies and kept berating me for several minutes. I finally had enough at some point and possibly called her the "c" word. I felt bad about that too for a while. Now it makes me smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    I finally had enough at some point and possibly called her the "c" word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    Anyone know the outcome of the road dispute? I am guessing it is still open?
    I'm a little bit confused on this whole thing because the Lower Helldorado Trail has been placed inside of a gated area that you either get the key from the BLM or you get it through the BFe guys. But that's been in place for several years now. If what she's talking about is the same place I'm thinking of the Jeep Safari does not use that section for any of their official runs. But it's been a Jeep Trail since I started Jeeping down there in the early 80s.
    Area BFE, which would be east of where they own this ground, is a massive area that bunch of guys went in and bought and turned it into a rock buggy Jeep playing area that anybody can use.
    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    I told it in here at some point, but the gist of it was I thought it was an even day and rode my bike up Big Water on an odd day. I was violently accosted by an hysterical trekking pole wielding old woman. She jumped in front of me on the trail with her poles extended and screamed "STOOOOOOPPPPP!!!!", I though there must be a crime scene ahead or something. Nope, I was just illegally pedaling. The funny thing is that I did actually feel bad and it was an honest mistake. I ended up walking my bike down in a little shame. But she was having none of my apologies and kept berating me for several minutes. I finally had enough at some point and possibly called her the "c" word. I felt bad about that too for a while. Now it makes me smile.
    That's hilarious...especially since I laid down the "c" word to a berating old hag once as well. I felt bad and actually apologized when it looked like she might fall over. I was in my 20s when that happened. I don't regret it, but I don't think I'll ever say that to a female again. There's no need as I'd just ignore them...screw you and walk away.
    "I am Spartacus!"

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    It looks like there is now a lot more new parking along Mill Creek in Moab.

    http://via.fox13now.com/hAGbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    It looks like there is now a lot more new parking along Mill Creek in Moab.

    http://via.fox13now.com/hAGbo

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