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    Quote Originally Posted by hank moon View Post
    "The Founders envisioned a sprawling nation where most conversations were local in large part because all media were local. Today, there is literally a national conversation because technology allows us to have one, and it is garbage. It is garbage for precisely the reason Rousseau and the Founders would surmised. You cannot view a vast, sprawling, diverse, continental national such as ours as if it were a small community. But that’s what the “one-nation politics” fad does: It elevates every grievance and slight to a national shouting match. We get outraged by the lack of conformity of people who live thousands of miles away from us. As Megan McArdle has written, social media have turned the whole country into a nation of small-town gossips, prying and judging, clucking and tsk-tsking people they’ll never meet for not agreeing with them or because they’re not living the right way."




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    This is profoundly and sadly very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hank moon View Post
    "The Founders envisioned a sprawling nation where most conversations were local in large part because all media were local. Today, there is literally a national conversation because technology allows us to have one, and it is garbage. It is garbage for precisely the reason Rousseau and the Founders would surmised. You cannot view a vast, sprawling, diverse, continental national such as ours as if it were a small community. But that’s what the “one-nation politics” fad does: It elevates every grievance and slight to a national shouting match. We get outraged by the lack of conformity of people who live thousands of miles away from us. As Megan McArdle has written, social media have turned the whole country into a nation of small-town gossips, prying and judging, clucking and tsk-tsking people they’ll never meet for not agreeing with them or because they’re not living the right way."




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    so, in your copy and pasted bunch of gobbledy gook, do you have an opinion or is this long diatribe align with yours?

    so--lets see, I was for the Constitution, before I was against the Constitution, just prior to being for it, long after I was against it....

    yea--pretty hollow...

    One paragraph starts out on gun control, then gets lost on the Trump economy, no wonder your side is confused..
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    Heres another paragraph from this article:

    Canine Update: Not too much to report. There’s been remarkably little drama — or at least new drama (even The Fair Jessica’s attempt to feed Zoë a baby carrot aroused a dainty disdain rather than a dramatic protest, and her attempt to bite the [other] hand that feeds her was playful). Crow-hatred is now simply part of the daily routine. Zoë got to chase some deer this morning, so she’s happy. And Pippa did her usual spanieling.

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    more drivel:


    Trump, loyalists “jokingly” pine for him to be a “dictator,” and religious leaders celebrate his glandular authenticity, while sharing memes of Jesus guiding his pen-hand. Americans, it seems, still crave a king.

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    I'll admit, I didn't read that article. I have tried to read a few things on that site, and they are all a mess and full of nonsense like that quoted above.

    I do agree that social media has created a nation of small town gossipers that will tear someone apart for not agreeing with everyone. It hasn't helped in that whole "uniting the nation" thing.

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    I'll admit, I didn't read that article. I have tried to read a few things on that site, and they are all a mess and full of nonsense like that quoted above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    X2

    If you want me to read your stuff learn to gather your thoughts and write them down in an orderly fashion.
    non sense=liberal
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    And whats amazing is people somehow find logic in this nonsense...
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    The argument about "assault rifles" is really a stupid argument as the firearm industry has proven they can easily engineer their way around any ban you want to put in place.

    The only way to truly ban "assault rifles" is to ban all semi auto rifles and this is never going to happen and if you don't believe or understand that go back and read up on what happened when liberals tried to ban handguns.

    Anyhoo... anytime I hear someone talking about banning "assault rifles" I instantly know they are pretty much clueless when it comes to firearms.

    YMMV

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    I saw that ya'll were talking about school locks a few pages ago. This is late, but I teach eighth grade English and I thought I would jump in and tell you my experience in the public education system.

    I did my student teaching at Draper Park Middle. Every door in the school remained unlocked during the day. Visitors were required to go through the front doors to enter the school but anyone could easily enter the building from other doors. Also, visitors were not required to sign a check-in log or receive a visitor pass. They just walked in past the secretary and into the school. Draper Park has one large hallway down the center and four offshoot hallways. At the beginning of each of these offshoot hallways are magnetically-controlled heavy doors that can be sealed from the front office or by a special key that the VPs and Principal have. Now, these doors are moot because each hallway has a entrance to the outside with regular doors that, as previously mentioned, are kept unlocked during school hours. As for the classrooms, every class had a large window that looked into the hallways. These windows do not have blinds and are large enough that they would be nearly impossible to cover up in an emergency. Our classroom doors can be locked, but they can only be locked from the outside with the teacher's key.

    I now teach at Diamond Fork Jr. in Spanish Fork. At DFJHS, students are not allowed to bring their backpacks to class or carry them in the hallways during passing time (the time in between classes). There are multiple entrances to the school but they stay unlocked during the day. Visitors are required to enter the building through the front doors (again, every other door in the school is unlocked), sign in with the office, and receive a visitor's badge and escort to a class. My classroom door locks but I have to lock it from the outside with my key. My door has a small window on it that I can cover up with a magnet when I need too. The entire school is ground level and I have a small window, with blinds, that overlooks the parking lot.

    The biggest problem I can see with school defense is unlocked doors. Teachers should be able to deadbolt their rooms from the inside. Now, I understand that the state does not like this considering there have been plenty of teachers in the past that have raped students while on school grounds. Where do the fine folk of Bogley stand on this issue?

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    Here's some fun facts you can chew on for a few minutes....

    Nearly all mass shooters grew up in a fatherless home.

    Growing up in a fatherless home is the number one trait shared by violent criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat View Post
    I saw that ya'll were talking about school locks a few pages ago. This is late, but I teach eighth grade English and I thought I would jump in and tell you my experience in the public education system.

    I did my student teaching at Draper Park Middle. Every door in the school remained unlocked during the day. Visitors were required to go through the front doors to enter the school but anyone could easily enter the building from other doors. Also, visitors were not required to sign a check-in log or receive a visitor pass. They just walked in past the secretary and into the school. Draper Park has one large hallway down the center and four offshoot hallways. At the beginning of each of these offshoot hallways are magnetically-controlled heavy doors that can be sealed from the front office or by a special key that the VPs and Principal have. Now, these doors are moot because each hallway has a entrance to the outside with regular doors that, as previously mentioned, are kept unlocked during school hours. As for the classrooms, every class had a large window that looked into the hallways. These windows do not have blinds and are large enough that they would be nearly impossible to cover up in an emergency. Our classroom doors can be locked, but they can only be locked from the outside with the teacher's key.

    I now teach at Diamond Fork Jr. in Spanish Fork. At DFJHS, students are not allowed to bring their backpacks to class or carry them in the hallways during passing time (the time in between classes). There are multiple entrances to the school but they stay unlocked during the day. Visitors are required to enter the building through the front doors (again, every other door in the school is unlocked), sign in with the office, and receive a visitor's badge and escort to a class. My classroom door locks but I have to lock it from the outside with my key. My door has a small window on it that I can cover up with a magnet when I need too. The entire school is ground level and I have a small window, with blinds, that overlooks the parking lot.

    The biggest problem I can see with school defense is unlocked doors. Teachers should be able to deadbolt their rooms from the inside. Now, I understand that the state does not like this considering there have been plenty of teachers in the past that have raped students while on school grounds. Where do the fine folk of Bogley stand on this issue?

    I will not say whether or not I conceal carry to school because I know it makes others uncomfortable, but I am licensed to carry.
    Excellent insight.

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    Very insightful.

    It shows the intellect that those like hank and brian can't seem to come up with.

    Having a teacher lock a door and rape a student, cannot be tolerated, I would say the odds of this happening are minute at best.

    Locked doors would be a huge deterrent to an individual hell bent on executing children.

    I personally don't see the Orwellian feel to having all school doors locked while school is in session.

    Making only one entry/exit point that is controlled by an administrator, during school hours sounds prudent to me,

    especially if it is controlled remotely.

    I'm in construction, these type of measures are inherently cheap fixes and easy to retro fit, especially if grid ceilings are in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Here's some fun facts you can chew on for a few minutes....

    Nearly all mass shooters grew up in a fatherless home.

    Growing up in a fatherless home is the number one trait shared by violent criminals.
    Yep, See the links in my post, #77, in this thread about this enormous, yet unaddressed problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post

    Having a teacher lock a door and rape a student, cannot be tolerated, I would say the odds of this happening are minute at best.
    I thought the same as you but recently I have had to reconsider. Our high school band teacher was regularly sleeping with one of the saxophone girls for two years. I was close with a girl in college that slept with her teacher while still a student. There are two or three teachers that get busted every year in Utah for rape of a minor. I'm sure as more victims of sexual assault come forward with the support of the #MeToo movement, those numbers will increase. A teacher having sexual contact with a student regardless of how close they are in age, is rape. Minors cannot consent to sexual activity with an adult. Even if a student is 18 and they sleep with their teacher it is still considered sexual harassment under state law as long as the 18-year old is still a student at the teacher's place of employment.

    On the flip side, and correct me if I am wrong, most of these sexual assaults take place off school grounds. Either in the teacher's own home, a hotel, or the oh so classy, backseat of a car.

    Now, is a classroom of children getting shot up worse than a student being sexually assaulted? I don't know. Seems like an impossible question to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat View Post

    Now, is a classroom of children getting shot up worse than a student being sexually assaulted? I don't know. Seems like an impossible question to answer.
    Neither is acceptable, both involve criminals, who by the very nature of their being, don't obey laws.
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