Bogley, the non-outdoor community

[jman]

All preface with this, that I have been here since 2006. Not the longest member but old enough to watch a LOT of changes over the years.

My first thought, and it’s a wild one, is to take Bogley back to UUtah.com or something similar. Watching the countless posts over the years, many TRs and threads just aren’t non-Utah specific. Except for outdoors news or gear. The point isn’t to eliminate non-Utahans from posting at all although it may be interpreted that way. I would dare say that 98% of all posts relates to Utah.

With that, the thought would be to make Utah-oriented again but with the addition of “outside of Utah” (or something similar). It may seem like rearranging chairs on the titanic but I think it serves a purpose and will make the forum feel “better” or more suited for everyone.

Another thought is to eliminate or consolidate the very dead sub-forums. Clean up the dead leaves so to speak.

Another thought is that posting a TR is tedious and does take up a lot of time like Rockgremlin has stated. If that process was easier, it would be a major incentive to others to post more TRs. I’m specially looking at the picture management or attaching photos. That is a mess, no offense personally, but it just is. That there alone would motivate me more to post more TRs. I try to post the good ones where I can, but a TR just takes a lot of time.

Another thing that I noticed is that when someone posts a length or detailed TR and no one relplies or comments for days on it, it kinda sucks. That is very demotivating. I’m
not saying every member needs to comment but a few more comments than just one is very persuasive for the person to stay and contribute more to the site. And to those who care, will.

Another thing, the spam prevention needs to be updated (or something) 100 fold.

Perhaps another site look is in order too. Strictly aesthetics - but it does help. Gotta take a little pride in it.


Those are just a few thoughts on the tip of my tongue...




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[rockgremlin]

Here's another thing to consider:

Personally, I don't post a lot of trip reports because I don't like splashing my personal life around the internet. I value my internet anonymity - highly. I don't have (nor never will have) a Facebook account, I don't Snapchat, and the only thing on my Instagram account are funny videos and memes that I've collected over the years. Nothing personal.

I used to document and post to this site frequently, but as I get older I have a desire to slip into the shadows and remain there, basking in the safety of anonymity.

Just like my avatar.


Just some reading from above:

Another thought is to eliminate or consolidate the very dead sub-forums. Clean up the dead leaves so to speak.

^^^Couldn't agree more. This NEEDS to happen.

[twotimer]

Yeah well...Mr. Reliable just put one up, so there.

[DirkHammergate]

what does that make you, the Master-baiter??

Only when I'm watching Stormy Daniels porn..... Did anyone notice FLOTUS looking quite pissed last night?

What Money can't buy, right?

[Scott P]

Anyway, for anyone who thinks that it is just because it is winter, here is a quick graph I made using Bogley Canyoneering Threads as an example (of course any other sub forum could be used as well; I just use canyoneering because it used to have a lot of posts.

In January 2018, there are six active threads in the canyoneering forum that have been posted in at least once. Here's how January 2018 compares with previous years. This is just an observation, not a complaint.

[DirkHammergate]

Perhaps another site look is in order too. Strictly aesthetics - but it does help. Gotta take a little pride in it.

Yes, I agree with that. It's dated. My 2 cents? Just make a Politics Sub-Forum? That seems obvious.

[twotimer]

Only when I'm watching Stormy Daniels porn..... Did anyone notice FLOTUS looking quite pissed last night?

What Money can't buy, right?

His wife is smokin' hot, but I'd take Daniels any day over the old lady. I don't blame the Prez one bit for tryin' to get a piece of that.

[2065toyota]

On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see them

[Iceaxe]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

[twotimer]

On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see them

Nah...I disagree. I just posted one up with some cool pics...they're fun! It's always nice to read something and see the pics, no matter if it's the same places or not. I like seeing the people, too.

Fighting off laziness is job #1.

[2065toyota]

Nah...I disagree. I just posted one up with some cool pics...they're fun! It's always nice to read something and see the pics, no matter if it's the same places or not. I like seeing the people, too.

Fighting off laziness is job #1.

Your current post of pics is good, and is unique. But you can't criticize to fight off laziness. You have 3 total trip reports

Do not take my sarcasm the wrong way.

[2065toyota]

I've started threads in the hunting forums and off roading forums and they are completely useless I have decided.

The canyoneering forum seems to be the only one that gets a decent amount of use, and that is even pretty low anymore

[kiwi_outdoors]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

just like the golden age of Hang Gliding has passed.

[twotimer]

Your current post of pics is good, and is unique. But you can't criticize to fight off laziness. You have 3 total trip reports

Do not take my sarcasm the wrong way.

It's all good. And you're right with only 3 in a year. When I was here under the username Byron I had a bunch of TRs.

Baja certainly is interesting, but I'm gonna try to put up more of the in between stuff. That's the laziness part I'm talking about.

[DirkHammergate]

His wife is smokin' hot, but I'd take Daniels any day over the old lady. I don't blame the Prez one bit for tryin' to get a piece of that.

No way man, I'd flotus that FLOTUS everyday of the week over Stormy. You ever see the last episode Season 1 of Silicon Valley where they whiteboard how they can jerk off 1000 dudes at a conference in 10 minutes? Stormy has had too many D2F's, Hot Swaps and Busted P@nis'. I'm sure Donald spreads it, or maybe not since Baron Von Trump, Melania is a no brainer.

[accadacca]

Bogley has changed. Don't say that it's just me or that it's due to Facebook.

Disagree. The rise of Facebook has been a HUGE factor. Maybe the biggest of them all.

Completely agree and wish more people would post TR’s and talk about the outdoors. It’s so easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and others. Everybody and their dog (literally) are on those platforms. They have unlimited resources as well to advance the platform.

If anybody has Trip Reports or outdoor related discussion, by all means, we'd love to see it posted. But some folks just choose to post their outdoor topics elsewhere and then ask why it's not posted on Bogley, and there's not a lot we can do about that except to ask them to answer their own question.

^^^^THIS^^^^

I think it has less to do with political affiliations of the users than it does the fact that most of the original forum creators are older. They have families now, and get out less often than they did when they were younger and had less real life responsibilities.

Also couple that with the fact that I don't document nearly as much as I used to. When I was younger I would take pictures of everything and do these massive TRs. Ain't got time for that anymore.

^^^^THIS^^^^

EVERY forum ALWAYS takes on the personality of those who post often. If you want more hiking, canyons or other subject matter just go to the proper section and post a couple topics, it's not that difficult.

^^^^THIS^^^^

PS, this isn't my website and I have no say in what goes on. I am just pointing out that the website has changed. Obviously some like the way it has changed. I'm just pointing out that personally I miss the frequent outdoor discussions that used to occur. I'm not asking anyone to change anything for my sake.

This site belongs to the community, kinda like the community pool. The question; how do we fix it and who is willing to help?

On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see them

^^^^THIS^^^^

I agree with many other points, but my fingers are tired from making all these quotes!!!

[DirkHammergate]

[QUOTE=accadacca;593175]Disagree. The rise of Facebook has been a HUGE factor. Maybe the biggest of them all.

Completely agree and wish more people would post TR’s and talk about the outdoors. It’s so easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and others. Everybody and their dog (literally) are on those platforms. They have unlimited resources as well to advance the platform.


^^^^THIS^^^^[/QUOTE]

If they post a TR on Social Media then what is it worth? I post pics on social media when I'm camping in a chair in the Swell with a 5th of Whiskey in my hand. I'd never put a technical information about routes on it.

[QUOTE=accadacca;593175] This site belongs to the community, kinda like the community pool. The question; how do we fix it and who is willinIg to help?[/QUOTE]

I may know and have been on trips with TR Canyoneering posters. I'll ask their opinion, this site should be tightened down imo. I can't keep this Stormy Daniels bit up forever....

[DirkHammergate]

Dirk's had a tough quotation night.... peace

[2065toyota]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

I would hardly say the Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed. Maybe yours.

There is still a lot out there for a lot of people, and a lot more people to do it also.

[Scott P]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

Maybe so, but Canyoncollective has 33 active threads so far this month. That's about 3 times more than all of the Bogley Subforums added together. Bogley used to be at least equal in popularity than Canyoncollective. Of course that's a different topic already hashed out.

It seems to me that there are more reasons than just the Golden Age of Canyoneering is over and it's because of Facebook. I guess it's of little consequence though.