Sexual Assault Allegations

[Iceaxe]

He was friends with both Bill Clinton AND Trump, so let's see what happens and who will get sold out for a deal.

I believe you will find the "Trump" association to be more #FakeNews. It's the mainstream media trying to destroy him once more. And the reason I say that is Trump banned Epstein from his golf courses and country clubs years ago for trying to screw the underaged staff.

So yes Trump knew Epstein, Yes Trump was aware of his pedolihlia, and yes Trump took steps to protect those he could........

Now lets talk Bill Clinton and his dozens of trips to kiddie porn island, including trips where he ditched his security detail to visit.

[Sombeech]

Well I just think it would be hilarious if the media pushed that Trump was friends with Epstein, only to be built up with anticipation and let down again like with the Mueller Report, only left with the damning claim that Trump refused these things but Clinton partook.

Saying that, it's not funny at all what happened, but it is hilarious to watch the rise and fall of Trump's enemies' expectations.

[rockgremlin]

The media are trying their damndest to smear Trump in some round about way with this story.

From the article:

"Under the once-secret deal — overseen by Alexander Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney in Miami at the time and is now Trump's labor secretary — Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of soliciting and procuring a person under age 18 for prostitution. He avoided a possible life sentence and served 13 months in jail."




Who the labor secretary currently is has absolutely no bearing on this story -- and yet they just couldn't resist tossing that little nugget in there, somehow tying Trump in with Epstein's dirty laundry.



https://www.ksl.com/article/46589843...ozens-of-girls

[Iceaxe]

Yeah... the media is trying to smear Trump by association.... what a sad story our 4th estate has become.

[Sombeech]

Did you see Bill Clinton come out and say that he hardly knew Epstein, when nobody even asked him about it? He also did NOT have sexual relations with that woman

[BasinCruiser]

[Iceaxe]

Snicker - snicker...

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Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

Sterling Van Wagenen, a founder of the Sundance Film Festival, has been ordered to a second prison term of 6 years to life for sexually abusing a girl when she was less than 10 years old.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46591012...irl-a-2nd-time

[accadacca]

Did you see Bill Clinton come out and say that he hardly knew Epstein, when nobody even asked him about it? He also did NOT have sexual relations with that woman

[rockgremlin]

^^^oh snap!

[BasinCruiser]

[BasinCruiser]

[tallsteve]

Sterling Van Wagenen, a founder of the Sundance Film Festival, has been ordered to a second prison term of 6 years to life for sexually abusing a girl when she was less than 10 years old.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46591012...irl-a-2nd-time

This doesn't surprise me. I used to work in TV and video production many years ago and I didn't like being around him. He was really full of himself and creepy.

[rockgremlin]

This doesn't surprise me. I used to work in TV and video production many years ago and I didn't like being around him. He was really full of himself and creepy.

He's being charged with two counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child. Doesn't "aggravated" mean that he threatened with bodily harm?

i.e. "Don't tell anybody about this or I'll kill you....?" Etc

Questions for @Scott Card

[Sombeech]

He's being charged with two counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child. Doesn't "aggravated" mean that he threatened with bodily harm?

i.e. "Don't tell anybody about this or I'll kill you....?" Etc

Questions for @Scott Card

I'm assuming it means at least touching or physical contact, not necessarily violent or threatening. Sometimes these charges like "assault" give the wrong impression like somebody was punched hard in the face.

[Scott Card]

He's being charged with two counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child. Doesn't "aggravated" mean that he threatened with bodily harm?

i.e. "Don't tell anybody about this or I'll kill you....?" Etc

Questions for @Scott Card

Here you go @rockgremlin. First the definition of Sexual Abuse of a Child followed by what constitutes an "aggravated" sexual abuse of a child. All disgusting stuff.

(2) An individual commits sexual abuse of a child if, under circumstances not amounting to rape of a child, object rape of a child, sodomy on a child, or an attempt to commit any of these offenses, the actor touches the anus, buttocks, pubic area, or genitalia of any child, the breast of a female child, or otherwise takes indecent liberties with a child, with intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any individual or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any individual regardless of the sex of any participant.



(4) An individual commits aggravated sexual abuse of a child when in conjunction with the offense described in Subsection (2) any of the following circumstances have been charged and admitted or found true in the action for the offense:
(a) the offense was committed by the use of a dangerous weapon as defined in Section 76-1-601, or by force, duress, violence, intimidation, coercion, menace, or threat of harm, or was committed during the course of a kidnapping;
(b) the accused caused bodily injury or severe psychological injury to the victim during or as a result of the offense;
(c) the accused was a stranger to the victim or made friends with the victim for the purpose of committing the offense;
(d) the accused used, showed, or displayed pornography or caused the victim to be photographed in a lewd condition during the course of the offense;
(e) the accused, prior to sentencing for this offense, was previously convicted of any sexual offense;
(f) the accused committed the same or similar sexual act upon two or more victims at the same time or during the same course of conduct;
(g) the accused committed, in Utah or elsewhere, more than five separate acts, which if committed in Utah would constitute an offense described in this chapter, and were committed at the same time, or during the same course of conduct, or before or after the instant offense;
(h) the offense was committed by an individual who occupied a position of special trust in relation to the victim;
(i) the accused encouraged, aided, allowed, or benefitted from acts of prostitution or sexual acts by the victim with any other individual, or sexual performance by the victim before any other individual, human trafficking, or human smuggling; or
(j) the accused caused the penetration, however slight, of the genital or anal opening of the child by any part or parts of the human body other than the genitals or mouth.

[rockgremlin]

Yikes - so the term "aggravated" casts a very wide net.

Once it wades into the realm of sexual abuse there are numerous actions that can qualify for aggravated status.

[Iceaxe]

An individual commits sexual abuse of a child if, under circumstances not amounting to rape of a child

(b) the accused caused bodily injury or severe psychological injury to the victim during or as a result of the offense;

^^^The Reader's Digest condensed version....^^^

So bottomline all sexual abuse is aggravated sexual abuse, because it's almost impossible to commit item number one without item number 2.

[rockgremlin]

^^^The Reader's Digest condensed version....^^^

So bottomline all sexual abuse is aggravated sexual abuse, because it's almost impossible to commit item number one without item number 2.

That's what I thought as well.

[Scott Card]

And the motive is..... protect kids.