Mass Shooting in Las Vegas at Country Music Festival

[middlefork]

The guns in the picture seem to have standard 30 or 20 round magazines. Anybody know how to slow down one of the videos of the shooting and count the number of shots before he pauses to reload? There does not seem to even be enough pause to account for reversing taped together magazines.
Also makes me wonder why the shooting only lasted 10 minutes or so when it took responders almost 30 minutes to find the room.

[Iceaxe]

It actually took 72 minutes from the time of the first 911 call until police breached the shooters room.

Taped together magazines are for the movies, kind of like holding your pistol sideways. Notice when you see actual combat footage of our troops they never have magazines taped together as they tend to collect debris and cause jams.

[rockgremlin]

Also makes me wonder why the shooting only lasted 10 minutes or so when it took responders almost 30 minutes to find the room.

It's a good question. If it took police 72 minutes to breach the shooter's door...then why didn't the shooting go on for 72 minutes? He could've killed hundreds.

[Sombeech]

I wonder if there were any gun holders shooting back with their handguns, without a chance in hell, but I wonder if that stalled the shootings, or if he just plumb ran out of ammo.

But then again, they say he was dead when they broke in, so maybe he killed himself only 15 minutes after shooting.

[Sombeech]

And the thing about crazy drugs, they can last for a little bit, but this wasn't a little bit of time. He acquired the guns, he packed them, loaded them up, planned on the room he was staying in, planned how to knock out the hardened glass window.

A usual trip, whatever you're on, isn't going to be an excuse to go through days and days of planning. He didn't pick up all of these guns within a 30 minute high.

[rockgremlin]

I read he brought gobs of ammo. I doubt he ran out.

The thing I wanna know is....was there a second shooter? If you look at the 32nd floor, you'll notice not one, but two windows broken out. Two shooters could have easily been firing at once just as BruteForce was implying earlier. Otherwise, why break out two windows if he was just going to operate alone from one perch?


And I wonder how this is affecting Mandalay Bay's business at present?

[devo_stevo]

I stayed at Mandalay Bay in february. I think we were on the 30th floor, so just a little lower than this guy was. I remember looking over at that concert venue from there. It's a long shot to take for sure, but it is wide open. There is nowhere to hide from something like this. It's horrifying to think about. I'm glad it wasn't much worse. It sounds like it certainly could have been.

[Iceaxe]

I think the time lines will change as the ATF puts this all together, you have to remember most of these time stamps are coming from the local media and they are notorious for getting details wrong in the rush to be first.

I'll make a wager it's only one shooter if anyone wants to put some cash down. I'm sure the hotel surveillance tapes have been gone over thoroughly by now and a second shooter would have hit the news with a be on the lookout for this guy. Remember that's how the Boston marathon bombing played out.

[Brian in SLC]

I read he brought gobs of ammo. I doubt he ran out.

The thing I wanna know is....was there a second shooter? If you look at the 32nd floor, you'll notice not one, but two windows broken out. Two shooters could have easily been firing at once just as BruteForce was implying earlier. Otherwise, why break out two windows if he was just going to operate alone from one perch?

Was a suite...especially notable after media footage of the room configuration.

In all the videos....there's no version of overlapping gunshots.

The blinking light video from the 4th-ish floor is purportedly lights from the adjacent casino property.

I haven't seen any video from the shooter's room that showed muzzle flash. I think he had some of the multiple guns set up to fire out of each window.

No evidence to suggest another shooter, IMHO. But, I'm sure the conspiracy folks will find some traction with some people...contrails, 9/11 inside jobbers, etc.

I just got a flu shot. Not only is the gov't controlling my thoughts, but, I'm coming down with autism! Yay!

[rockgremlin]

As of yesterday, three of the shooting victims hadn't been identified yet. Is that because they had no ID, and nobody was looking for them?

[twotimer]

I think the time lines will change as the ATF puts this all together, you have to remember most of these time stamps are coming from the local media and they are notorious for getting details wrong in the rush to be first.

I'm betting on this, too. If he only shot for 10 minutes, then he spent an hour up there...doing what? If he ran out of ammo, that's one thing. But if he had many more bullets?

The cop that was first to approach James Holmes ( the Aurora theater shooter) said that he was sitting on a curb, looking to be in a state of shock. He surrendered without a fight and told them of the bombs planted at his place.

When I heard this, I figured he had freaked on the surrealness of what he'd just done. State of shock, indeed.

If this knucklehead still had ammo up there, then perhaps he freaked out, too. Just sat there or walked around in circles until the cops came for him.

[twotimer]

As of yesterday, three of the shooting victims hadn't been identified yet. Is that because they had no ID, and nobody was looking for them?

People that are estranged from their families, most likely.

[Scott P]

As of yesterday, three of the shooting victims hadn't been identified yet. Is that because they had no ID, and nobody was looking for them?

If they were single, it could take a while before they are reported missing. I don't think most single people tell their families when they are going to a concert or most other activities that are expected to be safe.

They will probably be identified sometime in the near future.

[rockgremlin]

how to make an ar fully auto(video)

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This guy claims his gun can discharge rounds at 70,000 rounds a minute.

That over 1,100 rounds a second.

I think he's full of shit.

[oldno7]

This guy claims his gun can discharge rounds at 70,000 rounds a minute.

That over 1,100 rounds a second.

I think he's full of shit.

But only if you remove the fully automatic safety bolt and precisely replace the pumajigger(sp)

and then, fully, not partially slide the rear selector all the way back to full auto.

It's not as easy as you've heard on the webs....

[twotimer]

This guy claims his gun can discharge rounds at 70,000 rounds a minute.

That over 1,100 rounds a second.

I think he's full of shit.

Yeah man...they're trying to invent a constant stream of bullets to hose targets down.

The human race is friggin' doomed. It's amazing we don't have a lot more weirdos goin' off the rails.

[Iceaxe]

FWIW - 12 of the 23 rifles recovered in the shooters hotel room were equipped with bump stocks.

[Sombeech]

There was only 1 shooter, you can tell from the audio and the delay in shooting.

He had also tried to shoot the big containers of aviation fuel, this could be why the second window was broken out. Fortunately his shots didn't pierce the tanks.

1 week earlier he had booked a room overlooking the "Life is Beautiful" concert, and nobody knows why he didn't start the massacre at that time. Maybe he just hates Country music that much more.

And also... it looks like he purchased 30 guns last year, due to some possible "event". I'm going to go with he was a severe Anti Trump dude and just couldn't deal with Hillary losing. That would make the Left shit themselves and cover it up like no tomorrow.

[rockgremlin]

He had also tried to shoot the big containers of aviation fuel, this could be why the second window was broken out. Fortunately his shots didn't pierce the tanks.

Jet fuel can melt steel beams AND repel assault rifle bullets.

[Iceaxe]

Life is beautiful concert = liberals
Country concert = conservatives

While a generality the above holds pretty true.

Shooting the tanks of aviation fuel will not start a fire or cause an explosion, that is more TV bullshit.

You would probably need armor percing bullets or a very large caliber (50 cal.) To punch a hole in the fuel tanks and than you would probably have to shoot the spilling fuel with a tracer round to get ignition. I believe tracers are illegal for civilian use as they cause forest fires and serve no practical civilian use.