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    "My heart shall cry out for Moab..." Isaiah 15:5

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    Quote Originally Posted by @Scott P View Post
    I don't have an iPhone, but I am curious to hear what's wrong with it.
    There are a few things wrong with it. Most notably the removal of the "Home Button". Having a home button is very convenient but Apple supposedly got rid of to "better waterproof your phone" and because you wouldn't need it anymore to unlock your phone due to the camera unlock. The camera unlock is something that Samsung has had for about 5 years but it is not used very often because it isn't secure and it doesn't work in the dark. If you care about privacy at all, you should not use that methodology it is slightly better than no password at all. You have a Constitutional right to the content on your camera and the police can't make you unlock your phone (at least not without a warrant). If all they have to do is hold the phone to your face, you now have no password.

    If you look at most Android phones now, the home button is in the back (which is arguably more convenient) because it is where your naturally resides and it does not take up screen space.



    Additionally, we have now found out that iOS 11 is causing up to a 60% percent battery usage reduction in other iPhones because iOS 11 is optimized for Apple's new chip (https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk.../#4dd718ec4fdf). Apparently Apple is working on a fix but the days of "It just works" are long over and most people have not realized it.


    Another issue with it is the trend Apple is now in of removing features (3.5mm jack on the last phone and now the Home Button on this phone) and charging you more money. At a certain point, The Onion's video about the Macbook Wheel becomes less and less like satire :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYc

    The price is another issue. It isn't that $1000 is too much for a small computer that you can bring everywhere, it is that it is difficult justifying such a premium for a device that is not bringing any out new features and just starting to catch up to 2 year old android phones.
    "My heart shall cry out for Moab..." Isaiah 15:5

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    My family used to be huge Apple Sheep. They told me for years that I needed to get an iPhone. One of my clients contractually obligated me to use an iPhone and a Macbook for 1 year. I called my Dad and my brothers and asked them what I needed to make my iPhone great and they recommended the same apps and features that were on Android. I do IT for a living and ultimately I found the iPhone incompatible with my job, so I negotiated with my client to use an iPad instead of an iPhone and went back to Android. Most of my siblings now have Android and are much happier than they were previously with iPhones.

    That said, I really don't have an issue with Apple charging $1000 for their phone. I am just sharing my opinion that Apple's days of "Think Differently" appear to have been replaced with "Think two models back from your competitor" and it has been a long time since we have seen any real innovation out of Apple. Look at the latest "Macbook". The biggest innovation was the reduction of USB ports and the consolidation of USB-C and Power into the single port. I feel like having to carry a bunch of adapters to have what you want, or having to learn to get by with less than you want isn't a great long-term strategy.
    "My heart shall cry out for Moab..." Isaiah 15:5

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    ^^^All of these arguments fall on deaf ears to the average iPhone user. Most people don't know what half of these terms even mean. All they know is if it's an Apple product, it MUST be superior, because...hey...it's Apple!! Your experience mirrors my own - family members singing Apple's praises and then a few years go by and they backpedal.

    From my experience, if you want to look kewl downloading images to Facebook and Snapchat, get an iPhone. If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.
    It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.
    The devil is in the details.

    Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscGo View Post
    My family used to be huge Apple Sheep. They told me for years that I needed to get an iPhone. One of my clients contractually obligated me to use an iPhone and a Macbook for 1 year. I called my Dad and my brothers and asked them what I needed to make my iPhone great and they recommended the same apps and features that were on Android. I do IT for a living and ultimately I found the iPhone incompatible with my job, so I negotiated with my client to use an iPad instead of an iPhone and went back to Android. Most of my siblings now have Android and are much happier than they were previously with iPhones.

    That said, I really don't have an issue with Apple charging $1000 for their phone. I am just sharing my opinion that Apple's days of "Think Differently" appear to have been replaced with "Think two models back from your competitor" and it has been a long time since we have seen any real innovation out of Apple. Look at the latest "Macbook". The biggest innovation was the reduction of USB ports and the consolidation of USB-C and Power into the single port. I feel like having to carry a bunch of adapters to have what you want, or having to learn to get by with less than you want isn't a great long-term strategy.
    I have some employees at work here that have each independly said that they would “quit their job if they had to use a an Apple phone”. Hopefully you don’t fall into that same Android “sheep” mentality.

    And your point is valid about the adapter, but those are talking points and not reality.

    But that is that logic true? More ports = better? Fewer ports = worse? Or fewer ports = better?

    Android sheep bashed Apple for removing the headphone jack. Reality is, a year later, most Apple users find it a non-issue, and at worst, an inconvenience.

    It was a ‘risk’ removing it sure, but now everyone will be following suit and a decade from now, it will be a thing of the past. It really will. Bluetooth 5.0, to start, among other similar technologies is replacing this.

    But the point, Android sheep, use that argument against Apple users. Which is funny. Most Apple users don’t care.

    And just for fuel for the fire, did you know that the iPhone 8 can export a 4K 2minute video in 40 seconds versus a Samsung Galaxy S8 at 4+ minutes? That’s hella fast.

    And exporting a 4K 40min video took the iPhone 8 a smooth 4mins and the Samsung Galaxy S8 took 40+ minutes. Quite the difference don’t you think?





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    Quote Originally Posted by jman View Post

    And just for fuel for the fire, did you know that the iPhone 8 can export a 4K 2minute video in 40 seconds versus a Samsung Galaxy S8 at 4+ minutes? That’s hella fast.

    And exporting a 4K 40min video took the iPhone 8 a smooth 4mins and the Samsung Galaxy S8 took 40+ minutes. Quite the difference don’t you think?
    What was the export method, was just via cable or was it transferring over WiFi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech View Post
    What was the export method, was just via cable or was it transferring over WiFi?
    Https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-...view-4676.html

    It doesn’t mention specifically, but I am assuming that it’s the, for lack of better word, ‘preparation’ of the video before it sends it.

    I don’t think they are testing the ‘transfer’ of the video.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jman View Post
    The devil is in the details.

    Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





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    I can answer that.... I have about a dozen apps I've written for my own personal use, on my job and on our race cars. I write the apps and load them on my Android, and you can't do that with an iPhone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    I can answer that.... I have about a dozen apps I've written for my own personal use, on my job and on our race cars. I write the apps and load them on my Android, and you can't do that with an iPhone.
    A dozen apps! You should go into app development. That is part of my job, wrangling phone apps.

    Curious what apps you have developed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.
    Quote Originally Posted by jman View Post
    The devil is in the details.

    Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





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    Ditto. Please elaborate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by accadacca View Post
    A dozen apps! You should go into app development. That is part of my job, wrangling phone apps.

    Curious what apps you have developed?
    Hahaha... if I told you that you could simply copy the app, if you are actually writing apps then you know the money is in the idea, once you have a winning concept implementing the idea is relatively simple.

    Several years ago I did publish several of my apps to the Android app store. I may or may not eventually update those and perhaps publish some of my others. At the moment my time is better spent on my real job as I can make a lot more money engineering structural projects then I can writing apps.

  20. #53
    @jman & @accadacca -
    Quote Originally Posted by @jman @Accadacca View Post
    Can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?
    File Storage
    By default (without 3rd party applications) you can use an android phone as a USB drive. So I can download a network driver for a computer and plug my phone into a computer with a USB cable and transfer the files right over (no need for iTunes). I can also share files with you more easily as a result.


    Advanced App Permissions:
    Android allows you to control what permissions you give developers which allow for increased functionality of cross-platform apps on Android.


    Example: There is a popular App among Mormons called "LDSTools". This App is a directory of everyone who lives in your local congregation. On Android, you can give it access to your caller-ID which allows you to know who is calling (even if the person is not in your personal "Contacts" list) but Apple does not give you the ability to allow this convenient feature on your own device.


    App Store:
    Apple confines you to their App Store to ensure they get a piece of the money everytime. Android allows you to enable the usage of 3rd party App Stores. There are certain Apps that I use every week (at least monthly) in my job that are not available on Google's or Apple's App Store.


    Etc.
    Then there are all the other little things we have been telling you for years. Our ability to customize our phone to look however we want (adjusting themes, widget sizes, increased Widget rights, etc. Plus the ability to buy the phone we want.


    Example: Some manufacturers have decided to try and follow Apple's lead and drop the 3.5mm port. But we can buy the phone which has the specs we want and have a lot more options. In the past, Apple claimed that by having all of their screens being the same sized allowed for better uniformity in App development. Android developers have gotten really good at reflexive programming while Apple is still in the mindset of programming their devices for the singularity (which is why they release an update that optimizes iOS for the newest phones without regard to the impact on 90+% of the other iOS devices).

    I feel like iPhones seem to last longer than Android phones. You still see iPhone4s in the wild and you don't see a lot of 6 year old Android phones in use anymore. So I'm not saying that iPhones don't have their place or that they do nothing right. I'm just saying that you can't claim that iPhones have capabilities over Android but the reverse is true.

    "My heart shall cry out for Moab..." Isaiah 15:5

  21. #54
    P.S. Confession: I have been erroneously calling the new iPhone the "iPhone X" instead of "iPhone 10". Now that I know that it isn't pronounced iPhone X, I am more confused about why Apple didn't call it the iPhone 9???
    "My heart shall cry out for Moab..." Isaiah 15:5

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscGo View Post
    P.S. Confession: I have been erroneously calling the new iPhone the "iPhone X" instead of "iPhone 10". Now that I know that it isn't pronounced iPhone X, I am more confused about why Apple didn't call it the iPhone 9???
    Windows skipped 9 and jumped to 10, it's what all the cool kids are doing. If nothing else owning an iPhone is all about being one of the cool kids ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by accadacca View Post
    Ditto. Please elaborate.
    At my last job I was the lead surveyor. Much of that was done on the ground with gps, and every quarter we would have a flyover survey completed to assess total disturbance and reconcile volumes. That flyover was completed by a third party by a guy who compiled all of the data and transferred it to me via his smartphone. I'm not sure what kind of phone he had, but he warned me those files wouldn't open with an iPhone.
    It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.

  25. #57
    Hahaha.... Samsung makes $110 for every iPhone X sold. It must really suck to have to buy the latest technology from your biggest competitor.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-app...36602?mod=e2fb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Hahaha.... Samsung makes $110 for every iPhone X sold. It must really suck to have to buy the latest technology from your biggest competitor.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-app...36602?mod=e2fb
    I'm sure Apple is ok with Samsung cleaning up the table scraps.


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    scraps?

    samsung smartphone market share hovers at just over 23% while Apple tries to hold a distant second place at just under 15%. Recently Huwei has outsold Apple worldwide to claim the numbr 2 slot (the Iphone 8 should regain that #2 slot for apple). Factor in the non smart phones that samsung offers and their whole market share dwarfs apple. So sucking a hundred plus bucks off each iphone is just gravy. (interesting note - 81%+ of phone sold in 2016 were android based, 17%+ were IOS, with a small number of other operating systems sold)

    Apple always maintains that they have the top selling phone - true. They have fewer options than their competiors so to buy an iPhone you get an iphone 8 or possibly a few holdover 7s. Hence that model sells the most as you don't have opportunity to select other models. Great phones, excellent build quaity, etc.. just over hyped in my opinion.

    The new speculated iPhone X is hampering the 8 sales. it's closer to the current the market technology than the 8 and people are waiting instead of buying the 8 (sales are still great, just behind expectations). I read an article last week noting that in buying an iPhone X you are waiting for the opportunity to have technology 2 years behind the current market offerings. Apple used to take risks and lead... what happened?

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    iPhone X

    It will be interesting to see if the gap widens after the X is launched and holiday shopping wraps up next year.

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