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Thread: Invasion of the e-bikes

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    Invasion of the e-bikes

    I think I saw 2 of these on the trail last year, but I rarely finish a ride this year where I don't see a few. They don't really bother me but it is slightly annoying to be grinding up a climb while some chubby dude on a moped is keeping up. Oh well, more power to companies making dough on the laziness of Americans.

    By the way, does anyone know how these are classified? Are they just considered mountain bikes or are they motorcycles?

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    They are classified as motorized vehicles by most land managers and are restricted to the same trails as motorcycles. It's just that law enforcement is currently lax with regards to E bikes.

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    If they allow E-Bikes in Corner Canyon I'm going all in...........


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    I don't think I've ever heard a straight answer for why the ebike hate. Personally I don't care if some of my larger buddies buy one of these so they can start riding with me.

    As to why they are banned from trails that don't allow motorized bikes, the answer is never clear for why the ebike should be banned in this same group.

    "Because they are motorized" will be the only answer given, not because they rip up the trails, cause deeper ruts, we hate fat people, it's unfair some people don't have to work that hard, yadda yadda.

    I don't have an ebike, but if given the chance I'd love to ride one. If it's all about the workout, then we can immediately dismiss any rider that uses a shuttle from time to time. If ebikes cause more damage because of the total weight, then I shouldn't be riding my big heavy bike with another 30 lbs of camera gear either. If it's about having mechanical devices on certain trails because of noise, then music should be banned, hootin' and hollerin' should be banned, bike bells should be banned, and drones should be banned (except if it's a cool guy that is getting paid to do it and he's a nice guy so he's cool and everybody should allow this one cool person because he is friends with somebody special)

    Here we are telling people how awesome it is to ride but unless there's some reason behind keeping ebikes off of the trails, I'm all for them. To the question "Why are ebikes bad for this trail?", the answer "because they are motorized" does not answer the question. What damage does the ebike cause?

    Motorcycles? Yes we know why they shouldn't be on certain trails, and the answer is NEVER because "They are motorized". There is a logical reason like "Crowded trail, speed can be a danger, noise, extra damage". But I haven't heard the actual "reason" behind keeping the ebikes off of certain trails. There's gotta be a reason why ebikes are bad for trails, I just haven't heard it yet.

    After 3 knee surgeries, both knees, the ebike may be in my future. But at the moment, these are some purely unbiased questions that I'd love to hear some informed answers.

    Mueller Park in Bountiful still allows motorcycles, something to think about.

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    Excellent post, Beech. I was in Moab lately with a huge group of friends and this topic came up when a few of us were grinding up Amasa Back.

    Those bikes will allow us to do rides like that when we become old...otherwise we'll be denied those trails.
    Always look on the bright side of life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    Oh well, more power to companies making dough on the laziness of Americans.
    For some of us (maybe you some day) it won't be about laziness at all.
    Always look on the bright side of life!

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    "Motorized" is an easy line to draw. If you watched the video I posted you will notice the difference between an E bike and a full throttle electric motorcycle are pretty blurry, and I expect will become more so in the near future.

    Something else to watch for, the tree huggers are trying to get the definition changed to "no mechanical vehicles", which means no MTB's. I think MTB riders need to make sure which side of the line we end up on.

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    and as we live longer - we will still want access

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    All I know is that when I was in Moab this spring, there were signs all over the brand trails saying that they were not welcome there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech View Post
    I don't think I've ever heard a straight answer for why the ebike hate. Personally I don't care if some of my larger buddies buy one of these so they can start riding with me.

    As to why they are banned from trails that don't allow motorized bikes, the answer is never clear for why the ebike should be banned in this same group.

    "Because they are motorized" will be the only answer given, not because they rip up the trails, cause deeper ruts, we hate fat people, it's unfair some people don't have to work that hard, yadda yadda.

    I don't have an ebike, but if given the chance I'd love to ride one. If it's all about the workout, then we can immediately dismiss any rider that uses a shuttle from time to time. If ebikes cause more damage because of the total weight, then I shouldn't be riding my big heavy bike with another 30 lbs of camera gear either. If it's about having mechanical devices on certain trails because of noise, then music should be banned, hootin' and hollerin' should be banned, bike bells should be banned, and drones should be banned (except if it's a cool guy that is getting paid to do it and he's a nice guy so he's cool and everybody should allow this one cool person because he is friends with somebody special)

    Here we are telling people how awesome it is to ride but unless there's some reason behind keeping ebikes off of the trails, I'm all for them. To the question "Why are ebikes bad for this trail?", the answer "because they are motorized" does not answer the question. What damage does the ebike cause?

    Motorcycles? Yes we know why they shouldn't be on certain trails, and the answer is NEVER because "They are motorized". There is a logical reason like "Crowded trail, speed can be a danger, noise, extra damage". But I haven't heard the actual "reason" behind keeping the ebikes off of certain trails. There's gotta be a reason why ebikes are bad for trails, I just haven't heard it yet.

    After 3 knee surgeries, both knees, the ebike may be in my future. But at the moment, these are some purely unbiased questions that I'd love to hear some informed answers.

    Mueller Park in Bountiful still allows motorcycles, something to think about.
    All good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    "Motorized" is an easy line to draw. If you watched the video I posted you will notice the difference between an E bike and a full throttle electric motorcycle are pretty blurry, and I expect will become more so in the near future.
    OK so with the electric dirt bike, we can say they are too fast for these trails that have a lot of slower traffic, the singletrack trails are too skinny to pass other mountain bikers without causing contact, the torque on the back wheels can rip up the trail too easily, we could list some other reasons that would match a motorcycle all except the noise.

    But as for trail damage, noise, speed, and danger to other guests on the trail, I don't see it with the ebike. Even the bike size is the same. Most people on the trail wouldn't know it's an ebike just by looking at it.

    I could even argue that if the ebike prevents the rider from hopping off and pushing the bike uphill, it could cause less impact on the trail and wouldn't block the trail as much as the rider standing next to the bike.

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    Actually from my motorcycle days I can tell you motorcycles or e bikes in this case actually smooth trails out when ridden at recreational speeds. I certainly would not say they tear trails up when ridden responsibly.

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    And again, I believe motorized is simply an easy and distinctive line. Also as I mentioned "mechanical" is the line many tree huggers and forest faries are fighting to have established and it has been established in some areas. I believe the MTB crowd would be wise to band together and decide where they want the line established. I just believe trying to include some e bikes (motorcycles) will result in a major loss for all mountain bikes in the end.

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