President Trump

[rockgremlin]

The last time I saw this level of desperation to pin controversy on a president was when conservatives spent eight fruitless years trying to prove Obama wasn't an American citizen. That went nowhere. And so will these nonsensical Russian conspiracy theories.

But hey, at least Colbert will have an endless supply of material while Trump is in office, so there's that...

[Iceaxe]

This nothing burger is starting get a little flavor.

The really funny part is there is nothing illegal about collusion. So even if the Russian unicorn turns out to be real it is not illegal, politically it would be bad for the Trump administered, but not illegal. And by polically bad I mean kind of like discovering the president was sticking cigars up an interns snatch in the oval office. It might not play well with the public, but it's not illegal.

[Iceaxe]

[rockgremlin]

LOL just grab-em-by-the-meow-meow.

where/what is this event by the way? It's like Pornhub meets WWE.

Is that a DirecTV logo on the turnbuckles?

[twotimer]

OMG...can you imagine the reaction if Trump would've posted that up instead? Haha!

I certainly understand how that would be horribly offensive to some people, but I swear I'd vote for him to be King. That would be the absolute ballsyest thing I've ever seen a human being do.

If only people would lighten up a bit.

[Iceaxe]

Word!

[Sombeech]

Obama told Russia he would be able to make some deals with them after the 2nd term election, it was caught on hot mic and video, it's proof of Obama colluding with Russia.

But Russia wants Trump to win and THAT'S the crime.

[hank moon]

Even the most innocent explanations for Donald Trump Jr.’s actions are naïve and dangerous.


Judging from conversations online and in person, the emerging Trump-friendly defense of Donald Trump Jr.’s decision to respond enthusiastically to an invitation to meet a “Russian government attorney” to receive “official documents and information” as part of the Russian government’s “support for Mr. Trump” is two-fold. First, of course you meet with someone who’s proposing to help you win your political race. And second, the meeting itself was allegedly unimportant. The Russian attorney didn’t deliver the goods. What’s the big deal?


Let’s leave aside the obvious fact that no living Republican would be making those arguments if equivalent news emerged about a Democratic president’s team and address the core of the argument. Yes, it is a “big deal” when senior representatives of an American presidential campaign meet with a purported representative of a hostile foreign power for the purpose of cooperating in that foreign power’s effort to influence an American presidential campaign. It’s an even bigger deal when news of that meeting emerges after an avalanche of denials and evasions.


As an initial matter, it’s amazing that anyone on the right or left is taking any talking points from the Trump administration at face value. After months of deception and misdirection, why should anyone believe the Trump administration’s account of the meeting? Why should anyone believe that this is the last shoe to drop or the only shoe to drop demonstrating an effort to collude with Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election? And yet conservatives are rallying across the Internet, ignoring all previous false statements, and essentially saying, “Now we know the truth, and the truth is that nothing happened.” This isn’t analysis; it’s wishful thinking.


Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...aive-dangerous

[hank moon]

Trust Nothing, Defend Nothing

by JONAH GOLDBERG July 11, 2017

I don’t write or even tweet about the Russia investigation much. I think the most I’ve written is that I think it probably won’t pan out and if it does, it’ll be Paul Manafort or Roger Stone or some other expendable type who’ll end up getting to know the underside of a bus. And that’s about it.

I get asked why I don’t write about it more all the time.

One reason is I’m not a legal beagle like our own inestimable Andy McCarthy. I don’t write about how criminal investigations work, nor am I particularly well-versed on the finer details of special-counsel laws.

Another reason is I’ve found the whole feeding frenzy unappealing. The Democrats are clearly in full partisan mode, framing every inconvenient, benign, or even potentially exculpatory detail as a smoking gun. The whole “hacked the election” formulation, used both by the Democrats and by allegedly objective reporters, is a misleading bit of hyperbole. Is “meddled with” or “interfered in” too big a concession to reality?

Meanwhile, there’s no shortage of hyperbole among those most eager to defend Trump on the Russia story. I’ve lost count of how many adjectives Sean Hannity uses to describe the media these days. I think it’s the “Alt-Left, Globalist Mainstream, Deep State, Destroy Trump, Get a Two-Liter Bottle of Pepsi When You Order a MAGA Pizza Media” now. More seriously, the rush to say there’s nothing to the collusion story is a mirror of the rush to insist the story is everything. There’s just not much room to say, “Maybe there’s something here. Let’s wait and see.”


Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...t-wait-and-see

[Iceaxe]

WTF, I fail to see why this is a big deal. The USA is always meddling in other countries elections and politics. Hell, the USA has actually overthrown numerous governments we disagree with.

[twotimer]

Having failed to trip up Trump, they've gone after an easier target. They gang rushed the son and try to make out like they're manhandling him...but I don't see it that way. Jr. just isn't the kind of guy that would throw up the middle finger like the old man, that's not the way he rolls.

The only mistake he made was he should have sent an underling to meet with that chick. That's politics. I'd bet he's got that figured out now.

[hank moon]

Attachment 87329

[Iceaxe]

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[Scott P]

Word!

Japan has way more big government policies than the US. By Japanese standards, Bernie Sanders would be an ultra-conservative.

[Iceaxe]

Japan has way more big government policies than the US. By Japanese standards, Bernie Sanders would be an ultra-conservative.

We were not talking US vs Japan, we are talking Detroit vs Japan. Any way you slice it Detroit is a govermental clusterf**k.

[Scott P]

We were not talking US vs Japan, we are talking Detroit vs Japan.

Have you been to Japan? Even Detroit is more conservative than Japan, so the meme is not a good example.

Any way you slice it Detroit is a govermental clusterf**k.

It's an everything clusterf**k due to greed (including in the government). The US share of the world auto-market has declined due to shoddy workmanship and greedy unions. The US is still #2 in auto production, but the market share has certainly declined. Add that to corrupt politicians and CEO's, plus race riots, poor planning, and Detroit is what you get.

I agree with you that Detroit is the armpit of the US.

I know I don't buy products from there.

[Rob L]

We were not talking US vs Japan, we are talking Detroit vs Japan. Any way you slice it Detroit is a govermental clusterf**k.

And who makes the cars now, eh?

[Iceaxe]

The only car currently built in the Detroit zip code is the Dodge Viper, and 2017 is the last year for the Dodge Viper as it has been discontinued.

[Scott P]

The only car currently built in the Detroit zip code is the Dodge Viper, and 2017 is the last year for the Dodge Viper as it has been discontinued.

Source?

Detroit has many zip codes.

Chrysler's Jefferson North Plant (Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango) is in Detroit proper. GM's Detroit-Hamtramck (Cadillac, Buik, Chevy) , plant is in Detroit proper, or at least straddling the border.

When people refer to Kennicott Copper Mine, it has Salt Lake connotations even if it isn't in downtown SLC.

The auto factories in Dearborn, Warren, Wayne, Orion, and Flint are all in the Detroit CSA.

[Iceaxe]