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    Liberal Mainstream media will never give Trump credit... but well done sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Brian... Let's come at this from a different direction. Do you honestly believe Obama will go down in history as a good president?

    And we're not comparing him to Trump as it's impossible to rate a president after the first year of a 4 or 8 year run.

    Personally I believe history will eventually place Obama somewhere below the 50% line. Somewhere down in the Jimmy Carter and Bush 2 realm. Obama has no major accomplishments that will last. He did change the direction of healthcare, but his signature accomplishment (Affordable Care Act) has pretty much been torpedoed. He left the middle East a shit storm (Bush 2 helped). Race relations went backwards 20 years under Obama. I do give him credit for doing a descent job of pulling us out of the Bush 2 economic dumpster fire. He certainly didn't make it worse, but his numerous regulations didn't help.

    Anyhoo... enquiring minds want to know.
    Yeah, I think Obama will go down in history as a "good" president. Not even counting how low the bar is right now (ha ha). On an aside, did you see Barry's summer reading and music list? Wow. Nice retirement. I can't believe he likes band the National...

    What was interesting and a bit eye opening to me (as one who "drank the koolaid), was the couple of PBS Frontline shows on the Obama presidency. Plenty to be critical of. And, some things I hadn't considered. So, fake news liberal media PBS aside, seemed to be a fair reporting on "things".

    Its not always fluffy bunnies when you move the country in a good direction. But, that he did. We took a fair step forward. Now? Seems like we're going backward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Liberal Mainstream media will never give Trump credit... but well done sir.

    #MAGA
    Here’s your crack, on-the-job commander in chief and hisfocus:
    Michael Wolff is atotal loser who made up stories in order to sell this really boring anduntruthful book. He used Sloppy Steve Bannon, who cried when he got fired andbegged for his job. Now Sloppy Steve has been dumped like a dog by almosteveryone. Too bad!
    I’m sure tweets like the above continue to help him beconsidered in high regard not only in the US, but, around the world. Ugh.
    Let’s take your Obama chart point by point:
    Labor participation rate? Makes sense that it’s low (baby boomer bubble aging out of the workforce),but, what does that mean?
    https://qz.com/286213/the-chart-obama-haters-love-most-and-the-truth-behind-it/
    Apples to apples, what does Trump’s first term look like forlabor participation rate? It slid from62.9 to 62.7.So, getting worse?Trump’s fault?I wouldn’t think so.Just like it wasn’t Obama’s fault either.
    95 million out of thelabor force?I think it’s called “retirement”.
    Here’s the breakdown of that 95 million:
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/03/news/economy/trump-95-million-people-not-in-the-labor-force/index.html
    Again, if you want to hang your hat on that number, then,end of December 2016, 95.006 million out of the workforce. December 2017:95.512.Blame Trump for more people out of the work force?Well, we could, but, we know he just didn’thave that much influence on it.Exceptmaybe those 600+ folks at Carrier who’s jobs got outsourced to Mexico.You know, in the “Art of the Deal”.
    Worst recovery sincethe 1940’s?Yeah, right.Seems like I hear folks crowing about doingsoooo poorly that they’ll retire at the end of Trump’s term.Maybe the longest recovery.And, I think, slow and steady wins therace.Also, depends on what you measure.I hear some folks are turning away work….how’sthat the worst recovery?
    Lowest home ownershipin 50 years?Geez, when did thebubble pop?End of 2016 was 63.9%.Last measured at 63.9%?So, no big uptick during Trump’s first year.Looking at the trends…hit a high of 69.2% in2004.I think that’s the all time high.Slid from the bubble pop at 67%-ish to present.What’s also slid?Older folks.The 65 years and older crowd.Less of them as a percentage live in an owner occupied home.Hmmm.
    Interesting spin on why the lower rate is a good thing:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-the-decline-of-the-homeownership-rate-is-good-news/2016/08/03/c6b8bf7c-58d1-11e6-9767-f6c947fd0cb8_story.html?utm_term=.535702e45dd2
    One trend that seems great is home equity is on therise. Those of us in Sandy Utah that gothit with a big (over 25% for me) increase to our property taxes feel this “growth”.Ha ha.Nice that so many folks aren’t so under water.I give some credit to Barry’s admin for someof the regulations in place following the bubble burst.As some of those protections are scrapped,will the bubble return?Too soon totell.Glad I bought a house a few yearsback (thanks Obama!).
    Food stamps…blameTrump for the huge spike in September 2017?Hardly.SNAP benefits have beenon the decline since 2013.Greattrend.Be interesting to see if thecurrent administration cuts SNAP benefits.Trump is a huge opponent of SNAP.
    Poverty Rate.Has fallen from 2014.From the census folks, here’s the deets:
    § The official poverty rate in 2016 was 12.7percent, down 0.8 percentage points from 13.5 percent in 2015. This isthe second consecutive annual decline in poverty. Since 2014, the poverty ratehas fallen 2.1 percentage points from 14.8 percent to 12.7 percent.
    § In 2016 there were 40.6 million people inpoverty, 2.5 million fewer than in 2015 and 6.0 million fewer than in 2014.
    § The poverty rate in 2016 (12.7 percent) wasnot significantly higher than the poverty rate in 2007 (12.5 percent), the yearbefore the most recent recession.
    § No demographic group included in Table 3experienced an increase in its poverty rate between 2015 and 2016.
    § For most demographic groups, the number ofpeople in poverty decreased from 2015. Adults aged 65 and older were the onlypopulation group shown in Table 3 to experience an increase in the number ofpeople in poverty.
    § Between 2015 and 2016,the poverty rate for children under age 18 declined from 19.7 to 18.0 percent.The poverty rate for adults aged 18-64 declined from 12.4 to 11.6 percent. Thepoverty rate for adults aged 65 and older was 9.3 percent in 2016, notstatistically different from the rate in 2015.
    So, what will the poverty rate do under Trump? I bet it pops up.And, because of his admin and not in spite ofit.Removing the ACA mandate.Killing grants for signing people up forinsurance.We’ll see when the numberscome in, but, my bet in 2017 and forward, the poverty rate in the US willincrease.

    Has it really been a year? Good grief...time flies when you're having fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    It's like he's actually doing what's good for our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech View Post
    It's like he's actually doing what's good for our country.

    And liberals hate that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian in SLC View Post
    Its not always fluffy bunnies when you move the country in a good direction. But, that he did. We took a fair step forward. Now? Seems like we're going backward.
    It's easy now for me to see we shall never agree on this as in my book Obama took the country in the wrong direction and really set us back. The guy was everything I despise in a leader. He was weak, soft and lead from behind. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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    This is one area where I will agree with Trump. I have always been against supporting and arming Pakistan (or at least since forming an opinion on the matter a few decades ago).

    When the Taliban harbored Bin Laden after the 9/11 attacks, only two countries still recognized that Taliban as the rightful rulers of Afghanistan. Those two countries were Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    Even so, it was Bush who vastly increased aid to Pakistan after 9/11. The aid dropped way down after Obama was elected and stayed lower until 2009 when it was increased again (peaking in 2011), but then decreased greatly in 2014 and 2016. Pakistan has still never denounced the Taliban. They still maintain a relationship with the Taliban while accepting US aid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    It's easy now for me to see we shall never agree on this as in my book Obama took the country in the wrong direction and really set us back. The guy was everything I despise in a leader. He was weak, soft and lead from behind. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian in SLC View Post
    LMAO.... The loss of 214 jobs at Carrier is the best you can do? We need to get you a job at CNN.

    1.7 million jobs have been added under Trump. That's 208,000 a month. It's been over 20 years since we've seems numbers that good.

    Scoreboard: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tru...ncy-2017-12-08

    Feel free to stop by again when you have something that amounts to more than whining like a little bitch.


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    Hot young stripper wife? Dude...you need to bump up your game...

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/571091722...#sp=show-clips

    "The Porn President"...the hits just keep on coming. Here's some more drivel from another one of them lib-tard rags:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tar-payoff-why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian in SLC View Post
    Hot young stripper wife? Dude...you need to bump up your game...

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/571091722...#sp=show-clips

    "The Porn President"...the hits just keep on coming. Here's some more drivel from another one of them lib-tard rags:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...tar-payoff-why
    A liberal that is now concerned with what consenting adults do behind closed doors?!?

    You make me laugh... where was the outrage when slick Willy was shoving his cigars up the young lady's snatch?

    Try again, come back when you actually have something that affects me. In the mean time I'll be trying to figure out how to get all the work walking through my front door done. While also watching my IRA and stock portfolio skyrocket.

    Let's talk about the $6 trillion dollars in wealth created under Trump, now that's something that actually affects me. Do you have any clue how many hookers and how much blow $6 trillion dollars buys?

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