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11-01-2017, 12:34 PM #161Compromise goes both ways, and this is an honest question, what did the convention agree to give up on, what were they willing to abandon so they could meet in the middle?
Concering specific examples of compromise, when Utah politicians were against the Redrocks Bill, for example, the Show still agreed to stay. This was certainly compromise. As far as I know the show never said that they would leave unless 100% of their demands were met.
When the retailers themselves started pulling out of the show or boycotting it, the Show really had little choice. They can't stay in business if a lot of the business that support the show were boycotting it or pulling out. It was an economic decision. Here is a pretty good article explaining why they left:
https://www.outsideonline.com/215593...k-against-utahUtah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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11-01-2017, 01:42 PM #162
Give me a reason not to ghost this place... Dirk deserves better than this.
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11-01-2017, 02:17 PM #163
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11-01-2017, 02:25 PM #164
So they "compromised" by tolerating the political environment of Utah, waiting for them to change their mind?
Compromising means more than just "putting up with somebody else". It means to meet in the middle, not to wait and wait for the opposition to finally agree with you.
I surely hope that's not how they define their compromise, to "continue to do business in Utah". Damn. Each opposing side gives something up, meets in the middle.
"Waiting it out" is not compromising. I hope they have a better example than that when they tell how they compromised for 20+ years.
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11-01-2017, 02:31 PM #165
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11-01-2017, 02:34 PM #166
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11-01-2017, 02:41 PM #167Each opposing side gives something up, meets in the middle.
If the lawmakers Utah would have met in the middle in years past, it is likely that the show would have stayed. Now days too many people (yes on both sides) want an all or nothing approach.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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11-01-2017, 03:00 PM #168
Well I might not be quiet out just yet. The teenagers want a Estes Large Stromblie with marinara, to Go!! BRB
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11-01-2017, 04:25 PM #169
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11-01-2017, 04:31 PM #170
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11-02-2017, 07:15 AM #171
Off the top of my head I don't know of any outdoor related company in Utah leaving to go to Colorado based on the stance of Outdoor Retailers Association.
The damage has already be done whether the monuments stay, go or are modified. I wasn't in favor of BENM but the fight for and against has done nothing but bring unwanted attention to a beautiful part of the state. And with the attention comes overuse and overcrowding.
Taking the E bike to St George? It should be a great weekend.
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11-02-2017, 08:11 AM #172
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11-03-2017, 08:22 AM #173
^^This^^. It's been interesting to be a part of conversations with my Utah friends when they start berating the move to downscale BENM. The question I always ask them is this- before the National Monument designation or before discussions about creating the monument even began, had you ever been there or even heard of the Bears Ear area? I have yet to have even one of them answer "yes". NOT A ONE. And, these are Utah residents. Now, they all want to go there.
Are we there yet?
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11-03-2017, 09:04 AM #174Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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11-03-2017, 09:38 AM #175
Uh, no. They couldn't tell me anything about what's within the boundary. This has been consistent with 6 or 7 of my far left leaning friends. Granted, outside of only one of them, the others idea of enjoying the great outdoors is walking from their air conditioned condos to their Prius. I'm just saying that most people haven't been there and don't know anything about it. Then when this all came up, it's now life and death.
Are we there yet?
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11-03-2017, 09:45 AM #176
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11-03-2017, 11:12 AM #177
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11-08-2017, 01:06 PM #178
I'll admit to being in that same boat. I had to google around a fair bit to figure out what was in, what wasn't. Its a huge area. And, I'm very familiar with most of it just not what the actual "Bear's Ears" monument actually included.
Sure, its brought attention to it. Maybe take some pressure off of poor over loved Zion...ha ha.
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11-08-2017, 01:11 PM #179
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03-14-2018, 09:21 PM #180
Outdoor Retailer Show Boycott in Utah
Just got this email...
“Registration for Summer Market is now open. Join the rest of the outdoor industry at the Colorado Convention Center in Denver, CO from July 23-26, 2018.”
Uh. Nope.
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