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    2017 Utah Snowpack

    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    @jman - thanks for continually updating this thread.

    I wonder how much Lake Powell will rise this year with the abundant snowpack?
    Thanks. I find it fun just to keep track of.

    It's funny that you mention Lake Powell because just today a coworker was mentioning the same thing. I just respond very dramatically with a southern accent with "Lake Powell will rise again!!" (a parody of the saying back from the 1800s - "the South will rise again"). Lol

    I wonder what the snotels are for Colorado.... The Colorado, San Juan, and the Green rivers bring large amounts from there.


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    I wonder what the snotels are for Colorado.... The Colorado, San Juan, and the Green rivers bring large amounts from there.
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    It takes a lot of snow to raise the lake to HWM. It won't get even remotely close to HWM.
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    Lake Powell is currently projected to reach 3640' in 2017. Lake Powell reached 3621' in 2016 so the lake will raise 19' this year over last year. Full pool for Lake Powell is 3700' so it will be 60' from being full.

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    So...another 3-4 consecutive winters like this should get Powell somewhere close to HWM. That's kind of a tall order.

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    7 years of drought tends to do that to your water supply. Lake Powell is doing exactly what it was designed to do. It was never intended to remain at full pool every year, much to the surprise of many. Also keep in mind there are 15 dams on the Colorado River and they are all experncing similar increases. The system was designed to store water in years of excess to supply water in years of drought.

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    So...another 3-4 consecutive winters like this should get Powell somewhere close to HWM.
    No. I don't remember the exact figure, but since the lake increases in area as it increases in depth, 60 feet below HWM is only a little over 1/2 full. That would take a lot of water to fill almost 1/2 the lake and more than just a few winters similar to this one.

    As far as drought goes, Shane is right that the recent droughts have taken a toll on the lake, but population growth and more water usage is also a factor.
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    The exact number is 50% of the water in Lake Powell is stored in the top 100'. Something else to keep in mind is full pool is not the most efficient way to store water as the surface area doubles in the last 50', which means evaporation doubles.

    FWIW - It took 20 years to originally fill Lake Powell and those years averaged above average snowfall.

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    All I know is that Lake Mead could use some more water in it. This year should help out with that but I wouldn't hold out much hope of it being anywhere near full still even with the fantastic snow we've had.

    Here's what it looked like a few weeks ago.
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    Lake Mead should reach 1090' in 2017. It reached 1084' feet in 2016 so that's a gain of 6'. Full pool for Lake Mead is 1229'. Theoretically it's better to store water upstream as it allows more control of how water is distributed. But ideally you will probably see them attempt to bring Powell to within about 50' of full pool and then they will attempt to bring Mead up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott P View Post
    population growth and more water usage is also a factor.
    FWIW - In the Western States over 90% of water consumption goes to agriculture. The national average is 80% goes to agriculture.

    And if you guys couldn't tell Western State water usage is kind of a hobby of mine as it's something I've always found really interesting. I've done a lot of design work on various dams, including Glen Canyon when the spillway was repaired in 1983.


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    We are starting to drop in the central part of the state. This week shows a few rain/snow storms across the state.

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    Followed by the US Drought Monitor for Utah. Utah is now 100% NOT in a drought (according to them).

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    Our snowpack has increased the past few weeks (especially SW Utah). Here are the current stats:


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    Have been scanning pics I took before the digital age and came across these that reminded me of this thread.

    I was down to Lake Powell in 1995 for our annual 4th of July trip and while my friends insisted on camping in the Wahweap Campground, I resisted and decided that this time I was going to camp at Lone Rock on the beach.

    When I arrived at the beach, the entire shore was packed with campers and tents so I was pretty bummed about not getting a spot that I could watch the waves lap against the shore. So I set up my tent behind everyone and about that time a guy came up to say hello, and to my surprise he told me that every camp on the beach had been moving back 20 feet each day because the lake was raising 9 inches each day and eating up 20 feet of beach. He said in just a few days I would indeed have my beachfront camp spot.

    Sure enough, by the end of the week, I had my island all to myself.

    Just the right size island.

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    One day later.

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    ^^^ This is REALLY cool!!! Awesome pictures, thanks for sharing.

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    19" in 24 hours on April 24th...



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    Quote Originally Posted by accadacca View Post
    19" in 24 hours on April 24th...

    I really hope there is going to be skiing on July 4th this year at snowbird. Ah yeah....good times.

    Edit: that would be a novelty drone video for @Sombeech. Him boarding at the bird and July 4th festivities that afternoon in the 90+ degree heat...

    Speaking of water....I need to update this thread...


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    Quote Originally Posted by accadacca View Post
    19" in 24 hours on April 24th...

    So, what you're saying is the Crest is ready to ride?
    Are we there yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallsteve View Post
    So, what you're saying is the Crest is ready to ride?


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    SE Utah....yikes!

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    EDIT:

    That 2% didn't quite seem right, so I clicked on the SE Utah tab and this is what you are presented with:

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    The 3 out of the 6 data points has a "-M" which means "missing data". Therefore those places are counted as a 0%, which GREATLY reduces that average to what we are seeing. But the other 3 locations with data just seem to be a few inches from average. So that 2% isn't right, but it is certainly not normal. It's REAL average is probably ranging from 70-75%.

    (Just remember that context matters. And in this case, only 1/2 of the stations were reporting numbers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman View Post
    I really hope there is going to be skiing on July 4th this year at snowbird. Ah yeah....good times.

    Edit: that would be a novelty drone video for @Sombeech. Him boarding at the bird and July 4th festivities that afternoon in the 90+ degree heat...

    Speaking of water....I need to update this thread...


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    I'd love to get some drone footage from the ski resorts, but most of them have a pretty strict No Drones policy, unless you jump through a few hoops. It's worth looking into though.

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