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    Check out the book "Normal Accidents"...may make you think a bit before endorsing nuke plants all over the place.

    EDIT...check out how well France did.
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    OOPS....

    Error in major climate study revealed – warming NOT higher than expected

    https://www.foxnews.com/science/erro...-than-expected

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    Whenever I think of global warming, I think of this picture. That friggin' thing is virtually right there. Blazin' away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    In my opinion nuclear is our best chance to leave an inhabitable planet to our great grand-kids.

    Current estimate is it will take $200 billion to clean up the Japanese nuclear plant melt down.

    It has already created 100,000 tons of highly radioactive material and it produces more radioactive material daily.

    For reference the Apollo program cost $25 billion, which would be $138 billion in today's dollars. Let that sink in for a minute. The Japanese nuclear melt down will cost 1.5 times what Apollo cost, it will take at least 100 years to clean up, which really means contain the damage. In the mean time thousands of tons of nuclear waste are being produced daily that is currently stored in large containers with no method of disposal.

    Now please tell me again how nuclear energy is the answer?



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    Whatever happened to the Yucca Mountain waste storage plan? Seemed pretty bulletproof to me -- really the only problem is transportation of waste to the site.

    I have a little insider information about Yucca Mtn that I gleaned from a professor while I was in college. He seemed pretty sold on the idea, and was insistent that it was being torpedoed by overzealous and irrational environmentalists.
    It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.

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    I'm about as far as you can get from a crazy environmentalist, but I'm not a fan of nuclear power until you find a way to dispose of the waste. And stashing it somewhere for others to deal with in 500 years is not an acceptable solution to me.

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    Yucca Mountain is about as safe as you could make it. It's tectonically idle -- ie no faults, and well outside of the radius of earthquake activity. It doesn't intercept any aquifers, etc etc.

    My professor was called on as one of the witnesses to testify as to the geological capabilities of Yucca Mountain. He claimed that tectonically it could reasonably be assumed stable for the next 100,000+ years. The environmentalists were adamant that the site could not be considered safe unless you could slide that number to well beyond 1,000,000 years.
    It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    Yucca Mountain is about as safe as you could make it.
    I've heard little ducks fart underwater before.... they said the same thing about Three Mile Island and Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plants.

    Here is a a pretty good video 60 minutes did on Fukushima Daiichi. It's worth 15 minutes of your life to watch.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minu...rom-fukushima/

    And let's not even talk about Chernobyl, but everyone knew the Soviet's cut corners... but it still became a world problem.

    Until you can dispose of the waste safely I'm against it, and burying it in the desert isn't disposing of it safely in my book. Who knows what will happen with the dump site in 500 or 1000 years. The Salton Sea was a huge desert until one day about 100 years ago the Colorado River decided to change course by a couple hundred miles. Even Lake Bonneville was fairly recent (10,000 years) in geologic time.

    YMMV

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    The French are getting ready to stash a bunch of it deep underground. They're not going to seal it up, though...French law mandates that they have access to it. They think scientist many years from now may have use for it.

    Doesn't Godzilla and Rodan eat that stuff?
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    Paris is in an uproar due to the policies Macron has initiated to curb climate change. Here is a lovely vid from BO supporting Macron that has aged real well.

    https://www.facebook.com/13363586720...5995290635534/

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    One thing I'll say about Obama... he had an uncanny ability to alway pick a losing horse to bet on.


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    At least 1,500 private jets are expected to descend on Davos and nearby airports in Switzerland this week as the international financial and political elite gathers to talk about global climate challenges.

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    ^^^^^^^ This smacks of the exact same hypocrisy of----Walls don't work, unless they are around my house.
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    surely at least half of these jets will be run off solar or wind----right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    At least 1,500 private jets are expected to descend on Davos and nearby airports in Switzerland this week as the international financial and political elite gathers to talk about global climate challenges.
    Wait, I thought this was some type of world economic forum?

    Oh, and I decided to check to see if Al Gore actually said that. He sorta did: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ic...elt-gore-2014/

    The problem with people like Al Gore is they take the most extreme case scenarios and present them as the most likely case scenarios. Then science deniers take these types of statements as some kind of proof that climate change is a giant hoax.

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    If you have questions about anything, you can’t go wrong with going to the self-annointed most knowledgeable being in the universe:AOC. She knows when the earth will die due to global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post

    Oh, and I decided to check to see if Al Gore actually said that. He sorta did: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ic...elt-gore-2014/
    You do realize that snopes has been deemed fake news
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    Quote Originally Posted by uintafly View Post
    Wait, I thought this was some type of world economic forum?

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    You shouldn't do that:

    Among the list of topics to be covered this week is the WEF’s Global Risk Report for 2019 which reveals environmental crises, such as failures to tackle climate change, “are among the likeliest and highest-impact risk that the world faces over the next decade.”
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    Heres snopes getting 25,000 to change their mind by a large corporation, just one of hundreds of claims.

    https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-sn...to-operatives/
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