What will reduce Gun Violence in the U.S.?

[oldno7]

Bueller, Bueller...........

[Sombeech]

[Scott P]

anyone have an answer?

I was curious about the statistics, so I looked it up:

http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

[Scott P]

.I went through all the stats I could find and put them on a simple spreadsheet. If there are any corrections that need to be made, let me know. I believe this list to be accurate. Since Bush Sr. was a one term presidency, statistically Clinton has the least shootings/deaths per term and Obama the most. Of course, I still think there are a lot more factors than simply the president though.



Later, I will create a similar chart with all murders (unless someone else wants to do it).

[kiwi_outdoors]

Answer - stop the flow of money that is buying military materiel (bullets, guns etc)

[double moo]

I saw a post today about an article stating how crazy it would be if more americans were armed, rationalizing that no one but the cops has the tacticl training to be of any use armed. I then looked up the Veterans of military service numbers... 21.8 million americans that have served! Allowing for old age and other factors that woud disqualify one from being "useful"... and i be there are still a lot of weapons trained individuals that could effectively stop an incident. I'm sure there are a lot of citizens that could be of help too, but had to agree that there are many who could certainly make things worse. Still... 20,000,000 is a pretty good number of weapons trained helpers.

[twotimer]

I grew up in a rural part of the country, where guns (especially rifles) are second nature. At least, among myself and my friends.

I was in Costco today...and I considered what I'd do if someone or someone(s) burst in firing rounds...I was wondering how many people might be packing???

Statistically, the odds are long that I'd be killed in a terrorist attack...but then I'm sure the people that were slaughtered in Paris and San B. thought the same thing.

I'm going through the process of getting a concealed carry permit...for the first time.

I'm not sure I'd like living in a country where I was denied the right to do that.



I would want to kill these people before they killed me.

[oldno7]

I was curious about the statistics, so I looked it up:

http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

And ya know how I know snopes is a leftist internet rag?

Do a search on it for the claims of 355 mass shootings so far this year.

That is the number touted by this administration and several alphabet news agencies( i use the term news lightly)

[Scott P]

Do a search on it for the claims of 355 mass shootings so far this year.

Actually, if you see, I quantified all mass shootings in a spreadsheet above. If there are any corrections to the spreadsheet that need to be made, let me know, but as far as I could find, I believe it to be accurate.

[Brian in SLC]

Actually, if you see, I quantified all mass shootings in a spreadsheet above. If there are any corrections to the spreadsheet that need to be made, let me know, but as far as I could find, I believe it to be accurate.

Interesting data and trends, Scott.

Trying to brainstorm what accounts for the uptick.

Assault weapons ban sunsetted in 2004...interesting in light of your data.

Economy went up and down.

Immigration stats? Not a real huge jump upwards?

Increase in availability of violent video games?

Increase in hate group activity?

Rise of conservative talk radio?

Change in cable news format?

Increase in mental illness?

Congress doing less and wasting more time?

Availability of ammunition for assault rifles?

Price of assault rifles?

Hard to effect a remedy when the cause isn't apparent...

[oldno7]

No--these claims which have been reported and repeated by most media outlets


http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/inde..._syracuse.html

[oldno7]

local station/ news agency--perpetuating the 355 myth...

http://national.deseretnews.com/arti...shootings.html


Editor's Note: As the nation deals with its 355th mass shooting of 2015,
Read more at http://national.deseretnews.com/arti...AgSgqRvtyMr.99

[oldno7]

and still no de bunking on snopes part!

liberal rag, no merit whatsoever.

[Brian in SLC]

and still no de bunking on snopes part!

liberal rag, no merit whatsoever.

Interesting discussion though...

http://www.snopes.com/351-mass-shootings/

What do you think needs to be debunked?

The definition of "mass" is debatable. That's discussed.

Do you think multiple people weren't shot in a number of cases? Which cases? The information is out there.

You posted a chart of the mass shootings and how they've gone way up under Obama. Do you not believe your source for that information to be credible?

Like Scott did with his data, easy enough to figure out whatever number you want based on the criteria you want.

Given that, what's your number? And based on what criteria? Or, are you waiting for some credible source to figure it out for you?

[Brian in SLC]

I grew up in a rural part of the country, where guns (especially rifles) are second nature. At least, among myself and my friends.

Me too. And, I lost friends to gun accidents. And had plenty of close calls (whew...ugh...). So, yeah, my parents wouldn't let me have a BB gun but I could walk out the door with any firearm in the house.

So...yeah, second, but deadly, nature.

I'm going through the process of getting a concealed carry permit...for the first time.

In Utah, its not much of a process. More of a "show up and pay money" deal.

I'm not sure I'd like living in a country where I was denied the right to do that.

I would want to kill these people before they killed me.

Wouldn't we all?

Would you charge in at great risk to yourself even if you didn't know anyone in the crowd? Sure, if family was present and at risk, but, to protect strangers? Against folks armed with assault rifles?

I just wonder how realistic that scenario really would be.

I took a class from "the polite society" folks. They had a bit of a different take on this type of scenario. Essentially, make a list of folks you're willing to die for. Something happens, you could intercede, but, no one on the list? Then don't.

I still wonder about this:

http://fox13now.com/2015/10/29/fathe...-in-millcreek/

Interesting thoughts on mass shooting and people armed:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/umpqua-st...s-if-we-acted/

But, if you are denied "the right"...what country would you move to? Canada? Mexico? Just curious what you think would be a great place for you.

Or, maybe you would just choose not to live?

I guess I'm trying to understand the depth of your statement.

[oldno7]

Or, are you waiting for some credible source to figure it out for you?

Rest assured that wouldn't be you

Your progressive mind is made up as is my conservative one--no sense in re-hashing...

[accadacca]

I like.



From my Facebook feed: "Ladies....if you are out and about shopping. Please think about protecting yourself. This concealed carry CAMI is very comfortable, affordable, and easily worn under most clothing...you can purchase these most anywhere that sales outdoor and sporting goods....Academy Sports, Walmart, Outdoor World, and so on. Yes, you must have a CCL to carry this way....if you ate fixed for funds or awaiting to purchase a handgun, stun guns are a workable option.."

[Iceaxe]

^^^ The holster needs to be on the left side.

[accadacca]

^^^ The holster needs to be on the left side.

Well...maybe she is left handed.

[oldno7]

Police chiefs starting to call for citizens to arm themselves.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...12-09-17-42-18