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09-04-2015, 08:05 PM #21
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09-04-2015 08:05 PM # ADS
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09-06-2015, 03:10 PM #22
Damn, I saw it a mile away because Shane is probably the most consistent commenter here. He pretty much said the same thing during the whole Cliven Bundy fiasco.
An America where government representatives get to enforce their religion upon you is not what I would have anybody fight for. Is that what you fought for?
Reminds me of the old liberal trope; "I'm moving to Canada if X happens". What is your preferred OCONUS location? I'm guessing Alaska.
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09-06-2015, 07:01 PM #23
Yowza Tony...let 'er rip. Damn good post.
Suddenly my feet are feet of mud
It all goes slo-mo
I don't know why I am crying
Am I suspended in Gaffa?
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09-08-2015, 10:05 AM #24
We are so desperate to get married, let's travel to another state multiple times where we will be met with infamous resistance.
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09-08-2015, 12:33 PM #25
I might be a little confused, can one of you tell me what law she broke?
She defied a court order but based on what law? just looking for clarification.I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
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Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
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09-08-2015, 02:10 PM #26
She didn't break a law. She defied a Supreme Court ruling that overturned numerous state laws and a specific court order to do her job. Or in the case Utah, that nullified an amendment to the state constitution. She was jailed for contempt of court.
While there are laws specifying a citizen's duty in regards to a court ruling and contempt of court, I don't think that's exactly what you were asking. Those are In the United States, relevant statutes include 18 U.S.C.§§ 401–403and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 42.
It's important to remember our legal rulebook is comprised of statute (laws by congress), but also rules, regulations, ordnance and so on, many of which are created at the will and operational necessity of various executive branch bureaus, agencies, divisions and so forth.
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09-08-2015, 02:18 PM #27
She's been released. A district judge freed her.
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09-08-2015, 03:18 PM #28
Really just curious as to what specific law she broke.....
If an elected official can be jailed for not conforming to a small minorities demands, then I have a list of perspective jail sitters....
Also, I don't think there is any law(prove me wrong) stating an elected official has to do their job--thats what elections are for...
Non-elected, different story, for sure....I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
Professional Mangler of Grammar
Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
Who Is John Galt?
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09-08-2015, 03:39 PM #29
The oath of office is legally binding as demonstrated in this case.
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09-08-2015, 04:02 PM #30
Eye of the Tiger....
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09-08-2015, 04:17 PM #31I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
Professional Mangler of Grammar
Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
Who Is John Galt?
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09-08-2015, 04:22 PM #32
And of course I'm sure you'll follow that up with the exact law that states an elected official can be jailed for failure to follow an oath.
One before the other of course but it sounds like you already have these documents found, so you can share them with us all
and enhance our civic learning.
Thanks in advance for sharing these....I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
Professional Mangler of Grammar
Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
Who Is John Galt?
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09-08-2015, 04:40 PM #33Really just curious as to what specific law she broke.....
It seems that it was law 522.030 1(a) or 522.030 1(b)
Official misconduct in the first degree is a Class A misdemeanor and is punishable with imprisonment not to exceed 12 months and fines of $500. Official misconduct in the second degree is a Class B misdemeanor and carries a potential punishment of up to 90 days imprisonment and fines of $250.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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09-08-2015, 05:10 PM #34
She was jailed for contempt, not for breaking a law. That's a big difference.
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09-08-2015, 05:14 PM #35
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09-08-2015, 05:17 PM #36
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09-08-2015, 05:29 PM #37Could you highlight the part where you see she broke the law?
Refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him (her) by lawUtah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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09-08-2015, 05:58 PM #38
ah--o.k., missed the part where one of her duties was to marry gay couples.
The Kentucky Constitution, prohibits gay marriage and was passed by 75% of the votes.
Kentucky Constitution Section 233A
Valid or recognized marriage -- Legal status of unmarried individuals.
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.
Text as Ratified on: November 2, 2004.
History: Creation proposed by 2004 Ky. Acts ch. 128, sec. 1.I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
Professional Mangler of Grammar
Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
Who Is John Galt?
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09-08-2015, 06:04 PM #39
So it seems her personal beliefs were one reason not to issue gay marriage license along with "State law" for a second.
I guess everyone would be ok with her going to jail for defying the Kentucky Constitution?
She swore to uphold the laws of Kentucky--right?I'm not Spartacus
It'll come back.
Professional Mangler of Grammar
Guns don't kill people--Static Ropes Do!!
Who Is John Galt?
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09-08-2015, 06:18 PM #40ah--o.k., missed the part where one of her duties was to marry gay couples.
PS, don't shoot the messenger. I was only pointing out what law she was charged with violating. I looked it up since I was curious.
Personally, I don't support changing the definition of marriage. In my opinion, they should keep the definition of marriage how it was and just call something else a civil union. I don't know why they just don't do this and be done with it.
She swore to uphold the laws of Kentucky--right?
"I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees,opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God."
The oath only says that she will perform her duties as directed (such as "recording orders of the court", and "filing and preserving books and papers"), rather than uphold the laws. As a clerk, her job isn't to uphold the law (any more than an ordinary citizen) or to make judgement, but only to record, file, perform tasks (such as issuing marriage licences), etc. A clerk only does tasks as directed by the law and courts, rather than enforces or upholds the law or makes the judegments. If she were a judge, the whole dynamics would be changed.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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