Mini canyon near head of orderville

[Romcom]

Looking for route info or coordinates for a mini canyon near head of Orderville. Zion Ponderosa supposedly takes people on there 1/2 day trips? Anybody have details?

[Iceaxe]

Birch Hollow is the canyon that the ZP guides.

Birch Hollow
http://climb-utah.com/Zion/birch1.htm

[Romcom]

Birch is their "whole day" trip. Supposedly have a half day route near head of Orderville.

Birch Hollow is the canyon that the ZP guides.

Birch Hollow
http://climb-utah.com/Zion/birch1.htm

[Bootboy]

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[Scott P]

Supposedly have a half day route near head of Orderville.

In the Orderville system, I don't think there are any canyon trips shorter than Birch. There are short canyons closer to the North Fork Virgin River.

[Iceaxe]

Birch is only 2 hours, 3 hours at the most, the way the ZP does it with a shuttle down to the top of Orderville.

[ratagonia]

In the Orderville system, I don't think there are any canyon trips shorter than Birch. There are short canyons closer to the North Fork Virgin River.

???

How about Walker?

How about Esplin?

There is also a drop in upper Orderville, not too far below the lower carpark, which affords one rappel that looks fairly good, actually. I know ZP guides that one.

Tom

[Scott P]

How about Walker?

How about Esplin?

Those are really shorter than Birch (including approaches)? What route would you take into Esplin to make it shorter than Birch? I guess I could see Walker, but how much is it shorter than Birch? I thought they were supposed to be fairly similar, time wise.

There is also a drop in upper Orderville, not too far below the lower carpark, which affords one rappel that looks fairly good, actually.

Could be what he is referring to, though it's not really a separate canyon. That's that drop you walk around on the standard Orderville route.

[Iceaxe]

When ZP takes guests to do Orderville they drive them down to the top of the dryfall and have them rappel off the top. They than gather all the tech gear and use the walk around to return to the top after sending their guests downstream.

I've never heard of ZP using this drop alone as an adventure as its always part of their day long Orderville trip, but I guess they could. At one time I had really great connections with the ZP, knew all their routes and interworkings, and would do a lot of canyons with their guides and other employees, but that was 10 years ago and the friends I had at ZP have moved on to other things.

FWIW- Their was also a time when ZP was guiding Englestead, but I don't think they have done it for years and it's much longer than Birch.

[ratagonia]

Those are really shorter than Birch (including approaches)? What route would you take into Esplin to make it shorter than Birch? I guess I could see Walker, but how much is it shorter than Birch? I thought they were supposed to be fairly similar, time wise.

I guess you guyz are such canyon-Godz these days that you don't even notice, but...

Birch Hollow is a full-day canyon with clients, and I suspect, with most private groups. Walker has one or two rappels at best. From the Carpark down IN Orderville, it is a half-day canyon.

T

[Scott P]

I guess you guyz are such canyon-Godz these days that you don't even notice, but...

If you noticed, I put a question mark in the statement. I haven't done those other canyons, but was under the impression that they weren't any shorter than Birch. I was just trying to be helpful to the original poster.

[Absolute Gravity]

Why go all the way out there for a mini canyon? Birch isn't mini enough? Are you continuing down Orderville?

-Curious