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04-06-2015, 07:45 PM #1
Think my 9 year old will be fine in BlueJohn canyon?
Looking to take my 9 year old boy to BlueJohn canyon (Canyon Lands, Utah) in May. We want to see Ralston's rock and do big drop. We are planning on retracing Ralston's route from the south of the canyon up. He is really fit and has done top rope climbing quite a bit. Anyone been there that can give an opinion?
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04-06-2015 07:45 PM # ADS
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04-06-2015, 08:14 PM #2
You want to do Blue John complete by entering the the top of main fork and existing at Horseshoe Canyon (the Ralston Route)?
From big drop out to Horseshoe is a long tiring sand slog. It just depends on the kid. Make sure it's something he really wants to do and understands it's going to be a very long day.
Also, May is getting late in the year to do the route, right now is about the perfect time as the hotter it gets the more miserable the hot sand slog becomes.
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04-06-2015, 09:59 PM #3Looking to take my 9 year old boy to BlueJohn canyon (Canyon Lands, Utah) in May. We want to see Ralston's rock and do big drop. We are planning on retracing Ralston's route from the south of the canyon up. He is really fit and has done top rope climbing quite a bit. Anyone been there that can give an opinion?
Anyway, it depends on the 9 year old. I took my kids into Bluejohn at a lot younger than that, but some nine year olds won't do well. You should know whether or not your own nine year old can do this. It isn't the technical difficulty of the route, but the length that I would be concerned with. As mentioned, May is usually getting pretty hot.
We are planning on retracing Ralston's route from the south of the canyon up
Ralston's route is down, not up.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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04-07-2015, 06:29 AM #4
The Ralston Route is partially in Canyonlands as Horseshoe Canyon is a detached unit of Canyonlands NP.
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04-07-2015, 07:23 AM #5
Seriously?
A troll? What the heck are you talking about? Obviously I have not been there or I wouldn't have to ask. Isn't that what these forums are for? To get a little advice? Also, everything I read says BlueJohn is in Canyonlands National Park. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_John_Canyon. So what's up with that? I know my son's abilities well, what I don't know is bluejohn canyon. Geeze.
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04-07-2015, 07:49 AM #6
I took a group of 12-15 year-old scouts down the canyon last year. Personally, I would go down to the big drop in lower bluejohn, and then retreat back upcanyon. The long hike out after the big drop rappel is a pain, and nothing special at all. There are tons of exits in between the upper forks and the lower fork (where Ralston got stuck). And it is quite easy to retreat from the lower fork. This will save you 5-8 hours of needless hiking, not to mention the need for a carpool, and the need for a long rope if you don't do the upper west fork.
To answer the initial question, yes, a nine year old can handle it, if you retreat upcanyon and save on the long hike out.
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04-07-2015, 08:04 AM #7Also, everything I read says BlueJohn is in Canyonlands National Park
....southwest of the Horseshoe Canyon Unit of Canyonlands National Park
To clarify, Bluejohn is not in Canyonlands; it is southwest of Canyonlands (it is the media that often screws that up, but they know nothing about the area). If you hike all the way through Bluejohn and then several miles through Horseshoe, then you can reach Canyonlands.
The original post seemed suspicious to me, so since it's not, I sincerely apologize for the post. Although the canyon is easy, by technical canyon standards, keep in mind that several people have wanted to see the Ralston chockstone and have come unprepared and have been injured.
Here is some information on Bluejohn Canyon that I have written that I hope you find useful:
http://www.summitpost.org/bluejohn-canyon/301176
It covers all forks of the canyon including where the chockstone is. Use the information presented on length and difficulty and then decide how your nine year old would do on the route chosen.
Shane's website also has the route:
http://climb-utah.com/Roost/bluejohn1.htm
Canyoneering USA also has Bluejohn Canyon, but not the section you are wanting to see, if the site where the accident took place is your main goal.
There are actually several sections of Bluejohn Canyon that aren't that hard to get into, if you can route find and find a map. Here's my son in there about a month before Aaron cut his arm off:
I wouldn't recommend doing the entire route in May though, unless you hit it during a cool spell. The slot sections should be pleasant in May.
I hope you find this information useful and wish you the best of luck on your trip.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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04-07-2015, 08:12 AM #8
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04-07-2015, 06:00 PM #9
Thanks all. Scott, thanks for the followup. Why is everyone saying Ralston did not come from the south? Here is a map from his book. He rides his bike from the north end all the way to the south end of bluejohn, then meets the girls, and hikes up towards the north.
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04-07-2015, 06:26 PM #10
Ralston came from the south to the north, which is DOWN stream. In your original post you said "up" which is where I think the confusion lies. South to north is traveling downstream.
I've done Bluejohn in every imaginable combination and option, what is it you want to do exactly? If it's just visit the place Ralston was trapped down to big drop and back out the top is the best route. If you want to actually retrace his route you have a lot of boring, hot, sandy slogging in your future.
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04-07-2015, 06:46 PM #11
Thanks. I am taking my son and two other adults, all of us are mediocre rock climbers. My primary goal is to see Ralston's rock. Other than that, just have a fun day as best we can. Would you recommend just doing the slot he was in? We will have a full day in. We are traveling down the night before. Waking up and heading in. We can camp in there and head home on day 3 or evening of day 2 depending on what we do.
Also, is there any good direction from getting off Hans Flat road to the canyon entrance? Not finding much detail on that. Thanks for your help!
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04-07-2015, 06:48 PM #12
*shoots Red Bull out of my nose*
Dude, be careful @Scott P, people are gonna start calling you a bad-ass.
That is some work getting him there, and a LOT more work getting him out. WOW!
I need photographic evidence that you have been through the Squeeze Fork, on account that you are twice my size.
@shaye Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Have you ever been in a technical canyon? Avid hiker? Climber?
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04-07-2015, 06:51 PM #13My primary goal is to see Ralston's rock. Other than that, just have a fun day as best we can. Would you recommend just doing the slot he was in?
If you want to see the rock, but see more of the canyon, go down the main fork, down to the Ralston section, and then exit the West Fork. That should be a good day hike. The East Fork is good, but longer.
Also, is there any good direction from getting off Hans Flat road to the canyon entrance? Not finding much detail on that.
If you are still worried about finding the place, maybe ask here and someone could take you out there. I could probably do it if you want, but it will be getting really hot after early May.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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04-07-2015, 07:12 PM #14
I've done this. It took us 12.5 hours, no shuttle. A good day hike? No. Hell in a handbasket? Yes.
But we were new to canyons, and quite slow. Could probably do that route in 7 hours now.
The West fork is pretty good and really easy. Perhaps consider going down West, down the Ralston narrows and out Horseshoe. With a shuttle of course.
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04-07-2015, 07:12 PM #15Dude, be careful @Scott P, people are gonna start calling you a bad-ass.
That is some work getting him there, and a LOT more work getting him out. WOW!
I just posed for the pictures.
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04-07-2015, 07:16 PM #16
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04-07-2015, 07:24 PM #17THE MOST TALKED ABOUT CANYONEERING TRIP OF 2017 - WEST CANYON VIA HELICOPTER.
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04-07-2015, 07:28 PM #18
So shaye knows what he is looking at, here is my wife in West Bluejohn:
Main Bluejohn:
A tourist sitting on the Ralstone:
Ralstone sans tourist:
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04-07-2015, 07:44 PM #20LOL! Gotta take turns right?
That baby carrier never did fit me right, so she almost always carried him. The exception was when she was six months pregnant and we climbed the highest mountain in Costa Rica:
I remember it well, especially the first day since we did 7250 feet elevation gain on that first day. I remember it because I was carrying the kid up and she remembers it because she was six months pregnant at the time. For her first pregnancy, she crossed the Himalayas, in mid-winter, 216 miles on foot, while five months pregnant. That's getting way off topic though.
Now, back to Bluejohn.
Shaye, when are you planning on going? If you really want to see the chockstone, I could take you there, but early May or earlier is better.
Could you go, say, May 1-3?Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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