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Thread: BLM controversy in Southern Utah
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04-11-2014, 09:04 PM #21
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04-11-2014 09:04 PM # ADS
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04-11-2014, 09:41 PM #22
We have family property since 1901 just above Oakley. It is surrounded on all four sides by the national forrest, an island of private if you will. It is beautiful and kept mostly as wilderness with the exception of the old logging access road from the 1800's. The Forest Service has tried to squeeze us out several times over the years - a judge in the 70's ruled hard in our favor and pretty much settled the access and such. We need the road to continue to be considered a "class D County Road" as that is the ruling by which the USF must maintain our access. The county has no dog in the fight and doesn't care whether the road is kept accessable or not.
A few years ago the USF rolled rocks off the mountain side choking off access on the road up above our property - citing it is now a watershed. They sell grazing rights to the ranchers in Oakly for summer range, even including our property in the description of the rights! I didn't think they could have herd cattle in a watershed... guess I was wrong. When my Bro in Law raised the issue of grazing on our land he was told that we would need to fence the entire length of the road through the property (roughly 3/4 mile), as well as the two end borders (1/2 mile each) to keep the cattle out... our problem, our expense. Fortunately we know the rancher involved - BiL grew up with the wife of him - and he's cool about it, tries to get the cattle off ahead of the lease so that it won't dick with our hunts, etc...
My BiL would love to pick a fight with the USF... I figure for our uses there isn't really an inconvience, except for the cattle pushing the elk out some years. I don't feel the need to spend the money on the attorneys and courts and upsetting the fragile peace. Actually the Rangers we run into occasionally on the property are pretty cool and have no knowledge of the history involved. I feel for the folks in NV as they appear to be getting hardlined... though there are 2 sides to the story I'm sure. I just hope watching the media coverage doesn't enflame the BiL to go after them....
Claim to Fame - parts of the movie Buffalo Rider were filmed on the property... check our youtube for hilarity...
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04-12-2014, 01:22 AM #23
I don't understand why Bundy and other Americans are invoking States' Rights - which ceased to exist almost exactly 149 years ago (9 years before the Bundy family started ranching in the disputed area) at Appomattox. The Bundys will lose, but hopefully more Americans will wake up...although if Vladimir Putin and Duck Dynasty showed up together, the Feds and their enablers would doubtless be on the run!!!
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04-12-2014, 06:21 AM #24I'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 09:41 AM #25
Interesting
http://www.doi.gov/whoweare/blm-dir.cfmI'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 10:44 AM #26
Will this be short term or long term?
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/252303...-bundy-and-blmI'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 11:00 AM #27
Seems a heavily armed citizenry put down a heavily armed government, without a shot being fired.
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04-12-2014, 11:55 AM #28
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04-12-2014, 03:39 PM #29
Kurt is all over it...
Yeah, I'd bet big that Reid's stinky breath is all over this thing.The end of the world for some...
The foundation of paradise for others.
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04-12-2014, 03:44 PM #30
So I wonder if the rancher's ancestors refused government help when they were stealing the land from the natives. Sounds to me like he's just another asshole tightwad but the feds were right to back off before they had to kill a few knuckleheads.
Charlie...
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04-12-2014, 04:03 PM #31
Today the media is linking dirty harry and his son to the leasing of the land to the Chinese for a massive solar panel farm. Guess where the map shows the solar farm? Right dab in the middle of Bundy's property. Very interesting and not surprising at all. Harry's son has a very dirty reputation here in Clark county too. Daddy's boy for sure. And the BLM director is harry's old staff. Alarming.
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04-12-2014, 04:58 PM #32
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04-12-2014, 05:23 PM #33
Feds think they are the only ones with tactical teams.
THIS--is why the second amendment matters, this is why gun owners will not go quietly into the night.I'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 07:52 PM #35I'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 07:57 PM #36
Also keep in mind the local law enforcement sided with the fed.
Not good for neighborly relations, down the road.I'm not Spartacus
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04-12-2014, 08:13 PM #37
Video about the blm
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04-12-2014, 09:59 PM #38
It has been claimed by many sources (Google "welfare ranching") that without subsidies to ranchers grazing on public lands, such grazing in the desert would be unprofitable. Even as it is, an extremely small percentage of beef and cattle products comes from cattle that are grazed on public lands.
Taxpayer money has paid for, and does pay for, fences, gates, cattle-guards, and predator extermination, as well as disaster aid for things like drought conditions, etc. Even on a highway project in a rural area, which people might not always think about, a large amount of taxpayer money is spent on items for cattle grazed on public land (I'm not saying that I'm against all of this part though).
Most cattle grazing now days is done on private lands in areas with adequate rainfall rather than the barren desert. In the past, cattle raising in the desert was still profitable without subsidies, but this mostly ended with better transportation methods such as railroad and trucking.
So far, this year alone, the state of Nevada has asked for millions of Federal dollars for drought relief for ranchers. The Department of Agriculture declared this year that Nevada is a disaster zone.
Here's a quote, not from the BLM, but a Agricultural Website article last month:
USDA has designated nine Nevada counties as primary natural disaster areas because of drought.
Included are the counties of Churchill, Lander, Mineral, Pershing, Clark, Lyon, Nye, Washoe and Humboldt.
In accordance with the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development, the following counties were named as contiguous disaster areas: Douglas, Esmeralda, Lincoln, White Pine, Elko, Eureka, Storey and Carson City.
Farmers and ranchers qualify for natural disaster assistance because of the USDA declaration. Those needing assistance should contact their local USDA Farm Service Agency office listed on the internet at www.fsa.usad./gov/NV.
"I am pleased that USDA Secretary Vilsack approved a disaster designation of Nevada counties," says Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, who was awaiting word from the state's drought response committee reviewing the declaration.
"USDA has a variety of programs to help eligible Nevada producers recover from adversity caused by natural disaster," says Jim Barbee, Nevada Department of Agriculture director.
"Every piece of the puzzle counts."
Actions taken by Vilsack in 2012 to provide assistance to producers impacted by drought included:
•Extended emergency grazing on Conservation Reserve Program land, freeing up a record 2.8 million acres and as much as $200 million in forage and feed for ranchers during a challenging time.
http://farmprogress.com/story-nevada...areas-9-109732
It seems that an easy way to satisfy both political ideological sides in theory would be to simply end the subsidies and bailouts, especially in desert areas. From an ideological standpoint, wouldn't that work for both conservatives and those who think grazing should be regulated?
Our country needs food, and I can see bailouts if the Nation's food supply is threatened, but in modern times, subsidizing farming and ranching in the barren desert really doesn't make that much sense from an economic standpoint. Keep in mind that this comes from someone who has descended from a long line of farmers and ranchers, including from the hardy soles that settled the desert (my family were some of the earliest residents to settle Kanab and Delta [UT]).Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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04-13-2014, 03:28 AM #39Charlie...
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04-13-2014, 05:46 AM #40
FYI--standing up to a corrupt agency, egged on by a corrupt senator, who's intention is to remove you from land the they intend to use for other means and pad their own pocket, is not only a citizen's duty, it's damn Patriotic, IMO.
Allowing any agency to throw a woman to the ground in the manner I posted above is criminal and I hope is prosecuted.
But I'm glad to know you support such action to your wife/girlfriend.
Scott-nice generalities, now go do a bit more research on THIS ranch and let me know who has been developing and maintaining the land.
I will agree with you about far too many farm subsidies being paid out, most in an attempt to control
commodity prices.
Go here http://farm.ewg.org/index.php
it is astounding the abuse of this system and I see a lot of it in my area.I'm not Spartacus
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