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    Quote Originally Posted by accadacca View Post
    Changes in the civil law do not, indeed cannot, change the moral law that God has established. God expects us to uphold and keep His commandments regardless of divergent opinions or trends in society. His law of chastity is clear: sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded
    Soooo....homosexuality is just a "trend?"

    The above paragraph makes three things clear: Homosexuals are immoral, homosexuals are improper, and homosexuals are the way they are because it's trendy.....but the church still loves and welcomes them.

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    As usual, Acca drops the shit bomb and then disappears. Controversy sells. Maybe rename this section TMZ instead of Bogley. Nothing like reporting the noise again...... Now waiting for Beech to interject. Now everybody get the **** outside and do something fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    Soooo....homosexuality is just a "trend?"

    The above paragraph makes three things clear: Homosexuals are immoral, homosexuals are improper, and homosexuals are the way they are because it's trendy.....but the church still loves and welcomes them.

    Right.
    The only way this will be okay with you, is if the church accepts, marries and sanctions homosexual relations right?

    What else is there to say and do when a church does not accept homosexual relations? It's okay to have thoughts and be one, but acting on those desires is different according to the doctrines of the church.

    And, however, Heterosexual couples are held to same sexual standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred72 View Post
    Controversy sells. Maybe rename this section TMZ instead of Bogley.
    It might be part of the funding scheme...re-re-re-porting of divisive stuff gets traffic, so no more buried in the basement? I was (sorta) surprised to be denied access to Bogley's GD section from a hotel computer last week.

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    The above paragraph makes three things clear: Homosexuals are immoral, homosexuals are improper, and homosexuals are the way they are because it's trendy.....but the church still loves and welcomes them.
    This is not correct.

    Their position is that it IS NOT a sin or immoral to be homosexual. However, any sexual activity outside a traditional marriage is considered to be sinful*, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.

    It is correct that those feelings are completely natural. Like most religions though, the whole point of the religion is to overcome your natural desires and temptations for some type of reward after death. Almost all religions hold this same goal, though they all disagree on the means of getting there.

    So, I can't speak for all religions, but as per the LDS religion’s viewpoint, sex outside marriage (including homosexual) is a sin even though being heterosexual or homosexual is not and even though those feelings are natural. On the other hand, no one should be disrespected or treated with violence for anything other than situations such as self-defense.

    Also, it is hypocritical that many heterosexuals that claim to be moral only single out only homosexual sex instead of all other sex they consider to be sins as well. I’ve never seen a protest on pre-marital sex for example.

    *The dictionary defines a sin as an offense against religious or moral law. So if anything was contrary to a religious teaching, regardless of which religion it is, it would be considered a sin. Several religions consider, for example, the act of being a Mormon to be a sin (I’m using that specific example only because I am a Mormon). To a Mormon however, drinking coffee is technically a sin.

    So calling being a Mormon or drinking coffee a sin is technically accurate as per dictionary definition.

    The important thing is to not judge people too harshly for their faults and differences, though many of us (including myself) are guilty of this ourselves at times.

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    Regardless of your viewpoints on gay marriage, it is inaccurate to claim that the LDS church says that being homosexual in itself is a sin.

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    ^^^^What he said.

    I believe one of the main reasons the church is fighting so hard for the man/woman definition is that it makes the rest of their argument simple.... in other words... if gays can't marry, then they can't morally have sex and that solves the churches problems.



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    UGH...regardless of what any religion claims, gays deserve to enjoy the same rights as the rest of us "normal" people in society. Period. How is that such a difficult concept for our society to grasp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    regardless of what any religion claims, gays deserve the right to be miserable like the rest of us "normal" people in society.
    FTFY






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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott P View Post


    Regardless of your viewpoints on gay marriage, it is inaccurate to claim that the LDS church says that being homosexual in itself is a sin.

    You are not born gay. It is a choice. The church is very clear on their stance. If someone makes the choice to have relations with the same sex it is a sin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    UGH...regardless of what any religion claims, gays deserve to enjoy the same rights as the rest of us "normal" people in society. Period. How is that such a difficult concept for our society to grasp?
    I agree...a homosexual couple shouldn't be excluded from the benefits/rights lawfully wedded heterosexual couples benefit from according to the laws of the land.

    But, why does it have to be called a "marriage"?

    Marriage has been defined throughout the ages as a man and woman. Why do we have to defile and desecrate the sanctity of this God given institution?

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    You are not born gay. It is a choice.
    From the LDS perspective, this is false, at least in most cases.

    https://www.lds.org/liahona/2007/10/...der-attraction

    I agree...a homosexual couple shouldn't be excluded from the benefits/rights lawfully wedded heterosexual couples benefit from according to the laws of the land.

    But, why does it have to be called a "marriage"?
    From above:

    The Church has advocated for rights for same-sex couples regarding “hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.

    It seems that just calling it a civil union would avoid most of the controversy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahansen60 View Post
    You are not born gay. It is a choice.


    BULLSHIT.

    Why would all gay folks actively choose to dismiss their heterosexual tendencies to come out to their families, friends, co-workers, and everyone else they know to live a life of discrimination and hardship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott P View Post
    The Church has advocated for rights for same-sex couples regarding “hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.


    How specifically would giving gays rights infringe on the integrity of the traditional family?

    Not trolling, just really trying to wrap my mind around how giving equal treatment and rights to gays would be detrimental to traditional families.
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    How specifically would giving gays rights infringe on the integrity of the traditional family?
    Giving them rights really doesn't.

    Changing the definition of marriage does from certain viewpoints.

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    As far as I'm concerned the Mormon church, the Catholic church, various Protestant churches, etc., are free to council their parishioners to double check and make sure their marriage partner is of the opposite sex. Not everyone follows the Christian Bible nor interprets it the same way, so why should they listen to what the churches have to say. And I also think that when churches get directly involved in changing or creating laws they become lobbying organizations and should not be tax exempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cchoc View Post
    And I also think that when churches get directly involved in changing or creating laws they become lobbying organizations and should not be tax exempt.

    YES!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgremlin View Post
    BULLSHIT.

    Why would all gay folks actively choose to dismiss their heterosexual tendencies to come out to their families, friends, co-workers, and everyone else they know to live a life of discrimination and hardship?
    I'll tell you what I believe people are born with. All of us are born with trials in life, we are born with weaknesses and tendencies. These weaknesses and tendencies are there to test us and to humble us. Some of us have a weakness/tendency towards homosexual activity, some of us have a weakness for alcoholism, for some it's anger/abuse, for some it's gambling, for some it's sex/pornography. The list goes on and on.

    If we make the choice to give in to those weaknesses or tendencies, that is when it becomes a sin. Having an attraction or thoughts alone is not sin, it is acting on those thoughts where one crosses the boundary.

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    It is fine for you to have your beliefs but to assume they are THE TRUTH for everyone is hubris, which is a big ol' sin itself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahansen60 View Post
    I'll tell you what I believe people are born with. All of us are born with trials in life, we are born with weaknesses and tendencies. These weaknesses and tendencies are there to test us and to humble us. Some of us have a weakness/tendency towards homosexual activity, some of us have a weakness for alcoholism, for some it's anger/abuse, for some it's gambling, for some it's sex/pornography. The list goes on and on.

    If we make the choice to give in to those weaknesses or tendencies, that is when it becomes a sin. Having an attraction or thoughts alone is not sin, it is acting on those thoughts where one crosses the boundary.
    Hmm. You really think you had a choice to be heterosexual?

    For me? I think I'm hardwired. Pardon the pun...ha ha.

    Forget subjective morality/sin for a minute...

    To thine own self be true...hmm...

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